Re: Openmoko on FLOSS weekly

2009-05-19 Thread Damian Spriggs
I just started listening to it. The sound quality is fine, even with Skype, but uhm, the answers are uhm, a little uhm, hard to uhm, follow. Uhm. ;) On May 18, 2009, at 10:40 PM, Christopher Hall wrote: How did it sound, we had some problems with the Skype connection from Taiwan.

root almighty

2009-05-19 Thread Max
Hello. As far as I know most (all?) distributions for FR use root account to run phone application and to access device via ssh. To my mind this introduce great security risk. At the same time on my Ubuntu by default root is unable to logon anyhow and everything is done via sudo. This lets me

Re: [FSO/SHR] Strange connection behavior with wifi

2009-05-19 Thread ykstortnilats
Just find out that if the power management is turned off by iwconfig eth0 power off then the ping result is normal. Scott -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-FSO-SHR--Strange-connection-behavior-with-wifi-tp2937826p2937947.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list

Re: PISI 0.2 released

2009-05-19 Thread kimaidou
I told in serveral emails that the dates software from the pimlico (openmoko-dates2 in some distros) project uses the evolution data server : the calendar of this app is in ICS format and stored here : ~/.evolution/calendar/local/system/calendar.ics Another app is gpe-calendar. Kimaidou

Re: root almighty

2009-05-19 Thread Radek Polak
Max wrote: At the same time on my Ubuntu by default root is unable to logon anyhow and everything is done via sudo. This lets me think that there is no need to use root account on FR - at least not for running phone application and for remote access. I wonder - is there distribution which

Re: root almighty

2009-05-19 Thread The Rasterman
On Tue, 19 May 2009 09:48:37 +0200 Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz said: Max wrote: At the same time on my Ubuntu by default root is unable to logon anyhow and everything is done via sudo. This lets me think that there is no need to use root account on FR - at least not for running phone

Re: root almighty

2009-05-19 Thread arne anka
I wonder - is there distribution which tried to address this issue? Are there any plans to use regular user instead of root in om2009? Maybe using package-kit (which works via dbus btw) and policy-kit might help? my debian works as non-root since i started using it -- in fact, it was one of

Re: root almighty

2009-05-19 Thread Max
В Втр, 19/05/2009 в 09:21 +0200, David Reyes Samblas Martinez пишет: Max, search on the list, for example in nabble[1], and you will find a lot of pretty lng threads disscussing this issue [1] http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html Tried to search it but found only small discussion on

Re: root almighty

2009-05-19 Thread Max
В Втр, 19/05/2009 в 09:48 +0200, Radek Polak пишет: Maybe take a look at Android? That's not an option for me because I plan to limit myself to free (as in freedom) distributions only. If I wanted some proprietary staff on my phone I would just buy some sort of chineese iphone :-) Thanks for

Re: root almighty

2009-05-19 Thread David Reyes Samblas Martinez
2009/5/19 Max m...@darim.com: В Втр, 19/05/2009 в 09:21 +0200, David Reyes Samblas Martinez пишет: Max, search on the list, for example in nabble[1], and you will find a lot of pretty lng threads disscussing this issue [1] http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html Tried to search it but

Re: root almighty

2009-05-19 Thread Jose Luis Garduno
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Max m...@darim.com wrote: В Втр, 19/05/2009 в 09:48 +0200, Radek Polak пишет: Maybe take a look at Android? That's not an option for me because I plan to limit myself to free (as in freedom) distributions only. If I wanted some proprietary staff on my

Re: DON'T PANIC

2009-05-19 Thread Helge Hafting
Johny Tenfinger wrote: DON'T PANIC uBoot splashscreen If you are using SHR from microSD an Qi, you can use that bootsplash when whole system is booting just in just 2 steps: Is it necessary to boot off the microSD? I have SHR in the internal flash, as it fits nicely there. Helge Hafting

Re: DON'T PANIC

2009-05-19 Thread Johny Tenfinger
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 11:41, Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no wrote: Johny Tenfinger wrote: DON'T PANIC uBoot splashscreen If you are using SHR from microSD an Qi, you can use that bootsplash when whole system is booting just in just 2 steps: Is it necessary to boot off the microSD? I

Re: DON'T PANIC

2009-05-19 Thread Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann
Am Dienstag 19 Mai 2009 12:43:25 schrieb Johny Tenfinger: On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 11:41, Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no wrote: Johny Tenfinger wrote: DON'T PANIC uBoot splashscreen If you are using SHR from microSD an Qi, you can use that bootsplash when whole system is booting

Re: DON'T PANIC

2009-05-19 Thread Johny Tenfinger
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 12:54, Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann m...@mnet-online.de wrote: With Qi - yes (unless you recompile Qi with other boot options). doesn't Qi check for /boot/append-GTA02 on flash too? AFAIR no. ___ Openmoko community mailing list

Re: root almighty

2009-05-19 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors
Max m...@darim.com writes: I wonder - is there distribution which tried to address this issue? I have been using my debian installation as non-root since last summer. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: DON'T PANIC

2009-05-19 Thread Pander
Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann wrote: Am Dienstag 19 Mai 2009 12:43:25 schrieb Johny Tenfinger: On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 11:41, Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no wrote: Johny Tenfinger wrote: DON'T PANIC uBoot splashscreen If you are using SHR from microSD an Qi, you can use that bootsplash when

Re: R: Re: [android] koolu beta 6?

2009-05-19 Thread Niall Haslam
On Friday 01 May 2009 18:13, Braydon Fuller wrote: nar...@iol.it wrote: (...) WIFI got connected (but I had to install qad-keybord to set the passwd) but browser is unable to load any pages. How did you install qad-keyboard, I am having the same problem. I used the adb shell. At the

Re: PISI 0.2 released

2009-05-19 Thread Michael Pilgermann
Kimaidou, thx for this hint. I knew, somebody had mentioned before some app using ICS; although I didn't remember who and where ... Have you ever tried to sync Pimlico dates with Google Calendar then? Mike Original-Nachricht Datum: Tue, 19 May 2009 09:44:15 +0200 Von:

[SHR] webbrowser - woosh font size?

2009-05-19 Thread Russell Hay
Woosh! the webbrowser (based on webkit) seems to be just what's needed on shr/freerunner - but I know there's allot of debate - feel free to kick me :-) However whilst the screenshots show it as being great on debian, on SHR the font size is far too big - now I expect this is a default GTK

Re: New Life in Openmoko Phones

2009-05-19 Thread joakim
Nils Faerber nils.faer...@kernelconcepts.de writes: Wolfgang Spraul schrieb: Today Openmoko released additional pieces of documentation about Freerunner hardware: board outline, footprints and netlist. Same as all other releases before - under Creative Commons Share-Alike license.

Re: root almighty

2009-05-19 Thread Ali
On Tue, 2009-05-19 at 15:30 +0700, Max wrote: ... If I wanted some proprietary staff on my phone ... Sorry, no gsm for you. The modem's firmware is proprietary. Anyone who hasn't read the leaked ti calypso documentation want to write a free firmware?

Re: root almighty

2009-05-19 Thread Raphaël Jacquot
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 06:42:20AM -0700, Ali wrote: On Tue, 2009-05-19 at 15:30 +0700, Max wrote: ... If I wanted some proprietary staff on my phone ... Sorry, no gsm for you. The modem's firmware is proprietary. Anyone who hasn't read the leaked ti calypso documentation want to write a

Re: root almighty

2009-05-19 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 06:42:20AM -0700, Ali wrote: On Tue, 2009-05-19 at 15:30 +0700, Max wrote: ... If I wanted some proprietary staff on my phone ... Sorry, no gsm for you. The modem's firmware is proprietary. Anyone who hasn't read the leaked ti calypso documentation want to write a

Re: root almighty

2009-05-19 Thread Gothnet
Max Suraev wrote: В Втр, 19/05/2009 в 09:48 +0200, Radek Polak пишет: Maybe take a look at Android? That's not an option for me because I plan to limit myself to free (as in freedom) distributions only. If I wanted some proprietary staff on my phone I would just buy some sort of

Re: 850 FreeRunner with buzz issue?

2009-05-19 Thread Adam Jimerson
The Twitter feed said that a buzz rework is being coordinated for the 850Mhz freerunners? If this is the thread they were talking about I would also be interested in sending my phone off to get buzz fixed, not sure what the GPS fix is about (can someone give me more details about this?) I

Re: 850 FreeRunner with buzz issue?

2009-05-19 Thread Chelsea Wei
Thanks for your feedback, Dan! It is extremely important for us knowing the problem. Please give us some time... We are working on making this service available in North America. Stay tuned! -Chelsea Hi Chelsea, I have an 850 Mhz freerunner and use the ATnT network. (I live in Kentucky,

Re: New Life in Openmoko Phones

2009-05-19 Thread Stefan Monnier
For me, I think you've hit the nail on the head. We're trying something new with gta02-core, and by working on the small changes we've proposed we can focus on the tools that we use, the organisation of individual contributors and the stages we need to go through to get functional hardware.

Re: root almighty

2009-05-19 Thread Stefan Monnier
As far as I know most (all?) distributions for FR use root account to run phone application and to access device via ssh. To my mind this introduce great security risk. The Debian distribution works with a non-root user. Stefan ___

Re: 850 FreeRunner with buzz issue?

2009-05-19 Thread Radek Polak
Adam Jimerson wrote: I use my phone on T-Mobile and get a lot of complaints about the buzz/echo but I use it as my day to day phone anyways. Hi Adam, echo can be fixed by software. Any decent distribution should be echo free by now (QTEI, SHR, OM2009 are for sure). Radek

opkg: fork failed segmentation fault

2009-05-19 Thread Pander
Hi, I'm running on testing distro an opkg upgrade via wifi and get this at the end: opkg: fork failed Segmentation fault What is going on and how to fix this. Thanks, Pander ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: root almighty

2009-05-19 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 07:23:38AM -0700, Gothnet wrote: Max Suraev wrote: В Втр, 19/05/2009 в 09:48 +0200, Radek Polak пишет: Maybe take a look at Android? That's not an option for me because I plan to limit myself to free (as in freedom) distributions only. If I wanted some

Re: New Life in Openmoko Phones

2009-05-19 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 10:52:22AM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: That still doesn't explain why removing one of the two accelerometers is a good idea. What is the benefit? Why not remove them both? Is it that all the programs that use the accelerometers (as of now) only use one of the two? I

Re: opkg: fork failed segmentation fault

2009-05-19 Thread Joseph Reeves
Hi Pander, Is this related to this known (old) bug: https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2271 If so: pkill paroli pkill frameworkd opkg update opkg upgrade fixes it. Cheers, Joseph 2009/5/19 Pander pan...@users.sourceforge.net: Hi, I'm running on testing distro an opkg upgrade via

Re: root almighty

2009-05-19 Thread Gothnet
rms wrote: The DRM locking you out of applying changes to phones. The excuse of oh, its the phone maker/operator that does it is a mere smoke screen. DRM? They're just locked, you don't get root if you buy a G1 or other similar phone. I also don't see what's a smokescreen about the fact

Re: New Life in Openmoko Phones

2009-05-19 Thread Joseph Reeves
The wiki says: # Remove one accelerometer and connect both interrupts of the remaining one Is connecting both interrupts of the remaining one an expected benefit? Do both current accelerometers only have one interrupt connected? What does that even mean? Cheers, Joseph 2009/5/19 Rui Miguel

Re: New Life in Openmoko Phones

2009-05-19 Thread Werner Almesberger
Nils Faerber wrote: This would be one of the details I am interested in, i.e. would OpenMoko Inc. help in making (read as producing) this new design? With its part stock, manufacturing capabilities, etc.? Access to components is currently under discussion, yes. There are at least some

Re: root almighty

2009-05-19 Thread Jim Ancona
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 07:23:38AM -0700, Gothnet wrote: What's proprietary about android? The DRM locking you out of applying changes to phones. The excuse of oh, its the phone maker/operator that does it is a

Re: root almighty

2009-05-19 Thread Yogiz
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but is that really so hard to fix? If one has time to play around, default login can be substituted with one of a restricted user. Check out what breaks, fix it, repeat. What must be absolutely run as root can be but I'm sure it wouldn't be that hard to move most of

Re: New Life in Openmoko Phones

2009-05-19 Thread joakim
Nils Faerber nils.faer...@kernelconcepts.de writes: He ;) Many of the parts in the GTA02 cannot be reasonably placed by hand. There are almost a dozen (or more?) BGA chips which are extremely hard to handle (you do not see if the balls match the pads). Then there are almost microscopic

Re: [possibly any] Your storage is full

2009-05-19 Thread David Ford
The backup script(s) I posted are: r...@nibbly-bits:~# cat backup_messages.sh #!/bin/sh d=$(date +%Y.%m.%d-%H%M) mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.RetrieveMessagebook 'all' messages-$d.txt r...@nibbly-bits:~# cat backup_contacts.sh

Re: New Life in Openmoko Phones

2009-05-19 Thread Werner Almesberger
Ron K. Jeffries wrote: Q1) So, OpenMoko has not committed to building the 10-20 protos? No, and Openmoko wasn't actually asked for such a commitment, as it would not fit with the current focus of Openmoko. If Openmoko or some other company might be interested at some point in time to produce

Re: PISI 0.2 released

2009-05-19 Thread Michael Pilgermann
The Mozilla Calendar application Sunbird (http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/sunbird/) does the job very well. You can as well use the corresponding Add-On for Thunderbird called Lightning (http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/lightning/). Both are avaiable for a wide range of operating

Re: 850 FreeRunner with buzz issue?

2009-05-19 Thread Adam Jimerson
Radek Polak wrote: Adam Jimerson wrote: I use my phone on T-Mobile and get a lot of complaints about the buzz/echo but I use it as my day to day phone anyways. Hi Adam, echo can be fixed by software. Any decent distribution should be echo free by now (QTEI, SHR, OM2009 are for

Re: root almighty

2009-05-19 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 01:44:49PM -0400, Jim Ancona wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 07:23:38AM -0700, Gothnet wrote: What's proprietary about android? The DRM locking you out of applying changes to phones.

Re: root almighty

2009-05-19 Thread Juergen Schinker
rms wrote: Android is under the APL2, which has even less restriction than the GPL, Only on a superficial level can that be true. It has less restrictions than the GPL because the later tries to make sure everyone has all the essencial freedoms. APL2 (and similar licenses) mean that

Re: New Life in Openmoko Phones

2009-05-19 Thread Toni Mueller
Hi, On Tue, 19.05.2009 at 17:02:52 +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 10:52:22AM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: That still doesn't explain why removing one of the two accelerometers is a good idea. What is the benefit? Why not remove them both? Is

Re: root almighty

2009-05-19 Thread Warren Baird
Can you point out exactly which criticism of Android on the wikipedia page you think makes Android not a 'free' option on the OM, and what part of the ars technica article you are talking about? I've read through both and it isn't obvious to me. I certainly agree that Android running on a

Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3

2009-05-19 Thread Toni Mueller
Hi, On Sun, 10.05.2009 at 23:53:48 +0300, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: and applying these changes: http://rafb.net/p/upcv1H10.html makes the this file seems to have vanished. The server gives me a 404. Kind regards, --Toni++ ___

Re: root almighty

2009-05-19 Thread GNUtoo
On Tue, 2009-05-19 at 21:56 +0100, Juergen Schinker wrote: rms wrote: Android is under the APL2, which has even less restriction than the GPL, Only on a superficial level can that be true. It has less restrictions than the GPL because the later tries to make sure everyone has all the

Re: root almighty

2009-05-19 Thread David Reyes Samblas Martinez
in fact there is a lot of closed linux devices out there , for example routers,motorola phones, ebook reader... and those doesn't mean Linux is closed, 2009/5/19 Warren Baird wjba...@alumni.uwaterloo.ca: Can you point out exactly which criticism of Android on the wikipedia page you think makes

Re: root almighty

2009-05-19 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
On Tuesday 19 May 2009 20:04:51 Yogiz wrote: Someone correct me if I'm wrong but is that really so hard to fix? If one has time to play around, default login can be substituted with one of a restricted user. Check out what breaks, fix it, repeat. What must be absolutely run as root can be but

Re: root almighty

2009-05-19 Thread Jim Ancona
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 4:25 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org wrote: Well, since Freedom 0 is hampered in practice, as well as freedom 3, and without freedoms 0 and 3, 1 and 2 aren't of much use, I can't label software oriented towards being DRM friendly as Free Software, in practice.

[OT] Is Android really free? (was Re: root almighty)

2009-05-19 Thread Ignacio Torres Masdeu
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 00:43, David Reyes Samblas Martinez da...@tuxbrain.com wrote: in fact there is a lot of closed linux devices out there , for example  routers,motorola phones, ebook reader... and those doesn't mean Linux is closed, It only means that if they don't publish the code, and

Re: New Life in Openmoko Phones

2009-05-19 Thread Al Johnson
On Tuesday 19 May 2009, Toni Mueller wrote: Hi, On Tue, 19.05.2009 at 17:02:52 +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 10:52:22AM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: That still doesn't explain why removing one of the two accelerometers is a good idea. What

Re: New Life in Openmoko Phones

2009-05-19 Thread Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 10:52:22AM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: That still doesn't explain why removing one of the two accelerometers is a good idea. What is the benefit? Why not remove them both? Is it that all the programs that use the accelerometers (as of now) only use one of the two?

Re: root almighty

2009-05-19 Thread Esben Stien
Max m...@darim.com writes: As far as I know most (all?) distributions for FR use root account to run phone application Yeah, it sucks badly;). I sent a mail to the SHR list the other day. This issue will be resolved and future SHR distributions will not run as super user. -- Esben Stien is

Re: New Life in Openmoko Phones

2009-05-19 Thread GNUtoo
On Wed, 2009-05-20 at 02:11 +0200, Rask Ingemann Lambertsen wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 10:52:22AM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: That still doesn't explain why removing one of the two accelerometers is a good idea. What is the benefit? Why not remove them both? Is it that all the

Re: Hardware mod for starting GTA02v5 without battery?

2009-05-19 Thread Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 08:51:39PM +0200, Rask Ingemann Lambertsen wrote: On Sat, May 09, 2009 at 10:36:19PM -0400, Paul Buede wrote: It's a hardware mod. It's capacitor C1767, page four of the schematics[1] at the bottom. There's a (rather poor) picture of a reworked A5 here:

Re: Intone (0.50) Elementary based mplayer frontend

2009-05-19 Thread c_c
Hi, Ok. Here's a bug fix and minor improvement release. Changes :- * after pausing on an incoming call, Intone will now restart playing only after release of a call that paused it. Earlier it restarted even if you paused it to make a call and hung up that call. Thanks to Jérôme Lahalle. *

Re: New Life in Openmoko Phones

2009-05-19 Thread Dave Ball
GNUtoo wrote: *will the sound quality be ok(is there a plan to correct the problematic capacitor that is between the sound card and the audio connector)? and will it fit into the same case than the GTA02...because if I understood well the sound problem can't or is too difficult to fix

Re: Intone (0.50) Elementary based mplayer frontend

2009-05-19 Thread jeremy jozwik
artwork help needed you say? have any source files i can play with? On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 7:13 PM, c_c cchan...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, Ok. Here's a bug fix and minor improvement release. Changes :- * after pausing on an incoming call, Intone will now restart playing only after release

Re: Intone (0.50) Elementary based mplayer frontend

2009-05-19 Thread c_c
Hi, jeremy jozwik wrote: artwork help needed you say? have any source files i can play with? Of Course! If you go to intone.googlecode.com and browse the repository, you'll find a resources folder under trunk. All artwork is available there as png/jpg files. Thanks. -- View this message

Re: Intone (0.50) Elementary based mplayer frontend

2009-05-19 Thread jeremy jozwik
sorry im not too familiar with google code. how would one download the resources folder? On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 7:31 PM, c_c cchan...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, jeremy jozwik wrote: artwork help needed you say? have any source files i can play with? Of Course! If you go to

[shr-testing] phonelog wont run

2009-05-19 Thread jeremy jozwik
whenever i startup phonelog i get a crash screen right after the main window draws. phonelog was working at one point so im not sure what went bad but here is my terminal output. edge of your seat terminal excitment: $ phonelog Phonelog Initialized global vars Initializing gtk interface Showing

Re: Intone (0.51) Elementary based mplayer frontend

2009-05-19 Thread c_c
Hi, jeremy jozwik wrote: sorry im not too familiar with google code. how would one download the resources folder? No problem. Do the following :- 1. open the page in your browser (intone.googlecode.com) 2. click on the source tab 3. under directories click on trunk 4. You will the

Re: Intone (0.51) Elementary based mplayer frontend

2009-05-19 Thread jeremy jozwik
ah, so then its one at a time. i was wishing for more of a right click, download all On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 9:22 PM, c_c cchan...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, jeremy jozwik wrote: sorry im not too familiar with google code. how would one download the resources folder? No problem. Do the

Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3

2009-05-19 Thread Risto H. Kurppa
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 1:09 AM, Toni Mueller supp...@oeko.net wrote: Hi, On Sun, 10.05.2009 at 23:53:48 +0300, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: and applying these changes: http://rafb.net/p/upcv1H10.html makes the this file seems to have vanished. The server gives me a 404. Yes, but

Re: Intone (0.51) Elementary based mplayer frontend

2009-05-19 Thread c_c
Well, you can use the svn command. That lets you do it in one go. Alternate method if you have svn - open a terminal and give the command 'svn checkout http://intone.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/resources ~/Desktop' From: jeremy jozwik (via Nabble)

Re: Intone (0.51) Elementary based mplayer frontend

2009-05-19 Thread jeremy jozwik
ah thats the format. i tried that once but did not know where it went off to. thanks ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community