Re: usb0 vs eth0

2009-06-01 Thread Paul Fertser
Max m...@darim.com writes: When I plug FR it appears as eth0 instead of usb0. According to http://www.linux-usb.org/usbnet/ I have to set the local assignment bit, 0x02 in the first octet, to ensure it still uses a name like usb0 not eth0. It's on purpose and it's damn right. Search the

Re: Debuzzing

2009-06-01 Thread Steve Mosher
Joerg, Dr. N and I have been discussing this. There is no need for the HWD fix of 1024 as there is a software fix. The hwdware fix of 1024 would require much more work than the debuzzing. Joerg recommends against it. I would agree. I can have him come on here and explain. Even if the fix were

Re: [Om2009] a community effort

2009-06-01 Thread William Kenworthy
On Sun, 2009-05-31 at 18:15 +0400, Paul Fertser wrote: On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 03:47:04PM +0800, William Kenworthy wrote: ... Look at AUX led. Enable whichever loglevel for kernel you like. Boot a minimal kernel that will boot really fast. Not a bootloader problem. I probably have not

Re: [Om2009] a community effort

2009-06-01 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 02:46:19PM +0800, William Kenworthy wrote: and the clincher for me was that the gain using Qi (faster booting) didnt seem very much ... so why use it all? There's also a much faster recover from suspend. Rui ___ Openmoko

Re: Launcher/Home Page (alpha) Release 0.18

2009-06-01 Thread jeremy jozwik
c_c, if you get no reply from him let me know. making pritty things is about all i can do for the openmoko community at the moment. but youll have to wait a bit as im on vacation 180* around the globe from my home. but id be very interested in making some things for this and intone On Thu, May

Re: Om2009 testing release 4

2009-06-01 Thread The Rasterman
On Mon, 25 May 2009 17:20:08 +0100 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org said: I'm sure it's not, AFAICT (since I don't know Parloi's internals) it doesn't touch anything Paroli or anything related to calls. As for your problem with landscape vs portrait positions and GUIs... well, that's a

Qi UI (was: Re: [Om2009] a community effort)

2009-06-01 Thread Paul Fertser
William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au writes: On Sun, 2009-05-31 at 18:15 +0400, Paul Fertser wrote: On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 03:47:04PM +0800, William Kenworthy wrote: ... Look at AUX led. Enable whichever loglevel for kernel you like. Boot a minimal kernel that will boot really fast. Not

Re: Debuzzing

2009-06-01 Thread Lech Karol Pawłaszek
Steve Mosher wrote: Joerg, Dr. N and I have been discussing this. There is no need for the HWD fix of 1024 as there is a software fix. The hwdware fix of 1024 would require much more work than the debuzzing. Joerg recommends against it. I would agree. I can have him come on here and

Re: Om2009 testing release 4

2009-06-01 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 05:21:15PM +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote: On Mon, 25 May 2009 17:20:08 +0100 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org said: I'm sure it's not, AFAICT (since I don't know Parloi's internals) it doesn't touch anything Paroli or anything related to calls. As for

Re: SHR testing won't boot - jffs2 error ?

2009-06-01 Thread Chris Samuel
On Mon, 1 Jun 2009 10:43:17 am Rask Ingemann Lambertsen wrote: You need to upgrade the kernel then. Is this one not the right one ? http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/uImage-om-gta02- latest.bin I see you mention 2.6.28 in another message. That was about Om2009..

Re: Debuzzing

2009-06-01 Thread arne anka
as there is a software fix. imo it is still a workaround, not a fix. and standby time jumping up 25% looks a lot to me. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

GTA01 SHR Image, anyone have a good one?

2009-06-01 Thread Ben Wilson
Hi I've been using SHR on my gta01 for a while as my everyday phone. Recently I decided to try the latest testing/unstable images and ran into problems. I'd like to move back to an earlier version so I can keep using my phone but unfortunately I deleted the old image that I was using. So does

Re: Om2009 testing release 4

2009-06-01 Thread The Rasterman
On Mon, 1 Jun 2009 09:10:41 +0100 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org said: On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 05:21:15PM +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote: On Mon, 25 May 2009 17:20:08 +0100 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org said: I'm sure it's not, AFAICT (since I don't know Parloi's

Re: [Om2009] a community effort

2009-06-01 Thread Paul Fertser
Chris Samuel ch...@csamuel.org writes: On Sun, 31 May 2009 09:17:30 pm Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: Also: suspend is working much more reliably ever since the upgrade to Qi, so far I've only had to reboot because of that damn bug where suspend stops and no calls are doable (in and out).

Re: Om2009 testing release 4

2009-06-01 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 07:24:22PM +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote: On Mon, 1 Jun 2009 09:10:41 +0100 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org said: On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 05:21:15PM +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote: On Mon, 25 May 2009 17:20:08 +0100 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org

Re: Om2009 testing release 4

2009-06-01 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 10:59:00AM +0100, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 07:24:22PM +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote: On Mon, 1 Jun 2009 09:10:41 +0100 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org said: On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 05:21:15PM +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote: On

Fundamental Qi question

2009-06-01 Thread Chris Samuel
Hi folks, Am I right in thinking that if you are using Qi and have flashed a JFFS2 image to your NAND which has a /boot with a kernel in it then it will boot that kernel in preference to the one that you have flashed directly with dfu-util ? cheers, Chris -- Chris Samuel :

Re: Launcher/Home Page (alpha) Release 0.18

2009-06-01 Thread c_c
Hi, jeremy jozwik wrote: c_c, if you get no reply from him let me know. making pritty things is about all i can do for the openmoko community at the moment. but youll have to wait a bit as im on vacation 180* around the globe from my home. but id be very interested in making some things

Re: PISI 0.2 released

2009-06-01 Thread Michael Pilgermann
Richy, I assembled a new package for vobject (as well for gdata and dateutil) and uploaded them to opkg. Besides the Python 2.5 parts they also include the Python 2.6 packages now. If you update, please let me know, whether this working for you ... greetings Mike Richy wrote: I tried this on

Re: Debuzzing

2009-06-01 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 01.06.2009 um 10:46 schrieb arne anka: as there is a software fix. imo it is still a workaround, not a fix. For the GSM-Buzz there was not even a SW workaround for those who have been affected. So it had to be fixed. We have estimated that reworking the #1024 is at least 4 times as

Re: Fundamental Qi question

2009-06-01 Thread Paul Fertser
Chris Samuel ch...@csamuel.org writes: Am I right in thinking that if you are using Qi and have flashed a JFFS2 image to your NAND which has a /boot with a kernel in it then it will boot that kernel in preference to the one that you have flashed directly with dfu-util ? No, Qi doesn't

Re: Fundamental Qi question

2009-06-01 Thread Paul Fertser
arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de writes: No, Qi doesn't support jffs2. bummer. how's that -- it makes qi unusable for everybody using the internal flash as primary device and forces to boot from sd card. not sensible imo. How's that? Why don't you want to use the kernel flashed to

Re: Fundamental Qi question

2009-06-01 Thread arne anka
No, Qi doesn't support jffs2. bummer. how's that -- it makes qi unusable for everybody using the internal flash as primary device and forces to boot from sd card. not sensible imo. How's that? Why don't you want to use the kernel flashed to dedicated nand partition? as far as i

Re: Fundamental Qi question

2009-06-01 Thread Paul Fertser
arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de writes: as far as i understood from the qi discussions, qi does not use that partition but looks for a specific file in a specific location, make the kernel nand partition unnecessary. so, if it can't read jffs2, one cannot boot from flash. You should have

Re: usb0 vs eth0

2009-06-01 Thread roby
On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 8:29 AM, Paul Fertser fercer...@gmail.com wrote: Max m...@darim.com writes: When I plug FR it appears as eth0 instead of usb0. It's on purpose and it's damn right. Search the archives. If you want some kind of interface renaming for whatever reason, write an

Re: Fundamental Qi question

2009-06-01 Thread arne anka
You should have read Qi wiki page or Qi source code instead. well, i follow the discussion on the lists a long time. if that kind of information is not worth to be mentioned, i certainly do not expect it to be mentioned in either wiki or code. would you please stop, to cc me always and

Re: usb0 vs eth0

2009-06-01 Thread Paul Fertser
roby hariseldo...@gmail.com writes: On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 8:29 AM, Paul Fertser fercer...@gmail.com wrote: Max m...@darim.com writes: When I plug FR it appears as eth0 instead of usb0. It's on purpose and it's damn right. Search the archives. If you want some kind of

Re: Fundamental Qi question

2009-06-01 Thread Chris Samuel
On Mon, 1 Jun 2009 09:09:02 pm Paul Fertser wrote: No, Qi doesn't support jffs2. That's what I thought. But, in that case, how come my Om2009 phone boots into 2.6.29-rc2 (which is in /boot in the JFFS2 image) and not to the 2.6.28 image I've flashed to it ? Flashed with: dfu-util -d

Re: Fundamental Qi question

2009-06-01 Thread Paul Fertser
arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de writes: You should have read Qi wiki page or Qi source code instead. well, i follow the discussion on the lists a long time. if that kind of information is not worth to be mentioned, i certainly do not expect it to be mentioned in either wiki or code. Source

Re: Fundamental Qi question

2009-06-01 Thread Paul Fertser
Chris Samuel ch...@csamuel.org writes: On Mon, 1 Jun 2009 09:09:02 pm Paul Fertser wrote: No, Qi doesn't support jffs2. That's what I thought. But, in that case, how come my Om2009 phone boots into 2.6.29-rc2 (which is in /boot in the JFFS2 image) and not to the 2.6.28 image I've flashed

Re: Fundamental Qi question

2009-06-01 Thread arne anka
Source code is what actually compiles to binary that then runs on device. So it's the ultimate source of information about what and how it is supposed to work. Any discussions on ML especially those filled with inaccurate conclusions drawn from nowhere can't get you any clear understanding of

Re: Debuzzing

2009-06-01 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 01.06.2009 um 13:16 schrieb Paul Fertser: Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org writes: and standby time jumping up 25% looks a lot to me. If you find a way to DIY to gain these 25%, please share with us. In fact overall time required for hand rework is roughly equal for both buzz

Re: Fundamental Qi question

2009-06-01 Thread Chris Samuel
On Mon, 1 Jun 2009 09:49:11 pm Paul Fertser wrote: File name is wrong, the kernel is 2.6.29 actually. Look at the git hash. Ahh, good call, eventually traced it to this to confirm that.. http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=blob_plain;f=Makefile;hb=f19f259d3c1afde8eae53983fd19f61831927413

Re: Fundamental Qi question

2009-06-01 Thread Paul Fertser
arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de writes: Source code is what actually compiles to binary that then runs on device. So it's the ultimate source of information about what and how it is supposed to work. Any discussions on ML especially those filled with inaccurate conclusions drawn from nowhere

Re: Debuzzing

2009-06-01 Thread Paul Fertser
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org writes: In fact overall time required for hand rework is roughly equal for both buzz and #1024 fixes. If one has already dismounted the can The key difference is the word if already dismounted the can. I would require those who wants that #1024

Re: Debuzzing

2009-06-01 Thread Ori Pessach
On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 12:33 AM, Steve Mosher st...@openmoko.com wrote: Joerg, Dr. N and I have been discussing this. There is no need for the HWD fix of 1024 as there is a software fix. The hwdware fix of 1024 would require much more work than the debuzzing. Joerg recommends against it. I

Re: Om2009 testing release 4

2009-06-01 Thread Warren Baird
Hi Rask, I'm afraid I have no idea which X server and touch screen driver were in use. I was using OM2009 TR3 and hadn't modified the X server at all, if that helps. The behaviour was that sometime when I rotated the device with omrotatenew the touch pad response would be about 1.5cm to the

Re: usb0 vs eth0

2009-06-01 Thread Ben Wong
i don't know which interface udev will assign to the neo.. for example when i connect it i get eth1, suddenly renamed to eth7 by udev, but am i sure it will always get eth7? I believe it depends on which distribution you run. Some distributions, like Debian, use a persistent-net-generator

Re: usb0 vs eth0

2009-06-01 Thread ivvmm
roby wrote: On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 8:29 AM, Paul Fertser fercer...@gmail.com mailto:fercer...@gmail.com wrote: Max m...@darim.com mailto:m...@darim.com writes: When I plug FR it appears as eth0 instead of usb0. It's on purpose and it's damn right. Search the archives. If you

Re: Debuzzing

2009-06-01 Thread Steve Mosher
Agreed. I've not heard about the jump in standby time, but joerg mentioned something about that ( as i recall). arne anka wrote: as there is a software fix. imo it is still a workaround, not a fix. and standby time jumping up 25% looks a lot to me.

Re: usb0 vs eth0

2009-06-01 Thread Angus Ainslie
On June 1, 2009 08:54:51 am ivvmm wrote: Read the section for Slackware on that wiki page. This way that will do the right routing whatever the interface is called so you will not have to think how is it named at this time. As for me, I experience another problem: cannot connect to the

Re: Debuzzing

2009-06-01 Thread Warren Baird
Hmm.. You say that the buzz rework is only required by people who have the buzz problem.How do we tell the difference between the buzz problem and a badly tuned gsmhandset.state? My situation is that when I talk to people on the FR I generally hear them very clearly, but they get a lot of

Re: Debuzzing

2009-06-01 Thread Steve Mosher
Getting a focused effort in the US has been problematic. The reason is simple. The vast majority of sales in the US have been through the OM store. The disty, therefore, don't have the same motivation that say Dr. N has. neither do they have the resources required. The best thing, the most

Re: usb0 vs eth0

2009-06-01 Thread David Ford
The udev operation is simple. The net interface naming is normally based on the MAC address and is stored in /etc/udev/rules.d/{something} like 70-persistent-net.rules IF your distribution runs the persistence script. Otherwise device naming is based on the order in which devices are found

Re: Fundamental Qi question

2009-06-01 Thread Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 04:07:10PM +0400, Paul Fertser wrote: My MUA is flexible enough to strip _forged_ Reply-To header that this list errorneously adds to every mail. So i'm perfectly aware how this fucking mailing list works and i had to explicitly workaround this stupidity. There's a

Avoid duplicates on ML (was: Re: Fundamental Qi question)

2009-06-01 Thread Paul Fertser
Marcel tan...@googlemail.com writes: Am Montag, 1. Juni 2009 14:32:26 schrieb Paul Fertser: Maksim 'max_posedon' Melnikau maxpose...@gmail.com writes: My MUA is flexible enough to strip _forged_ Reply-To header that this list errorneously adds to every mail. So i'm perfectly aware how

Re: Om2009 testing release 4

2009-06-01 Thread The Rasterman
On Mon, 1 Jun 2009 11:12:41 +0100 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra r...@1407.org said: My experience is that most applications become almost unusable because things are simply compressed beyond what is usable, so they need to do something themselves. Merely having the interface scaled down

Re: Fundamental Qi question

2009-06-01 Thread Paul Fertser
Rask Ingemann Lambertsen r...@sygehus.dk writes: On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 04:07:10PM +0400, Paul Fertser wrote: My MUA is flexible enough to strip _forged_ Reply-To header that this list errorneously adds to every mail. So i'm perfectly aware how this fucking mailing list works and i had to

Re: Debuzzing

2009-06-01 Thread Ori Pessach
On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Steve Mosher st...@openmoko.com wrote: Getting a focused effort in the US has been problematic. The reason is simple. The vast majority of sales in the US have been through the OM store. The disty, therefore, don't have the same motivation that say Dr. N has.

Re: Debuzzing

2009-06-01 Thread Werner Almesberger
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Aother note to all who read this: the Buzz rework is only required if you have the Buzz problem. Hmm, wasn't there an environmental component as well, i.e., band and signal strength ? So changes in the network, e.g., traveling, moving, or the provider messing

Re: Debuzzing

2009-06-01 Thread Paul Fertser
Werner Almesberger wer...@openmoko.org writes: Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Aother note to all who read this: the Buzz rework is only required if you have the Buzz problem. Hmm, wasn't there an environmental component as well, i.e., band and signal strength ? So changes in the network,

Re: Debuzzing

2009-06-01 Thread arne anka
Aother note to all who read this: the Buzz rework is only required if you have the Buzz problem. Hmm, wasn't there an environmental component as well, i.e., band and signal strength ? So changes in the network, e.g., traveling, moving, or the provider messing with things, might bring buzz to

Re: Debuzzing

2009-06-01 Thread Steve Mosher
See inline below Ori Pessach wrote: On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Steve Mosher st...@openmoko.com wrote: Getting a focused effort in the US has been problematic. The reason is simple. The vast majority of sales in the US have been through the OM store. The disty, therefore, don't have

Re: Debuzzing

2009-06-01 Thread Steve Mosher
YA, When I first started putting the program together I asked Tony Tu to get me a test protocal for incoming. Engineering ( and others) then pointed out that the Buzz problem was conditioned by enviromental factors that we CND ( could not duplicate) such that a phone with Buzz in the feild

boxar : New Audio Application (download or watch video)

2009-06-01 Thread RzR www.rzr.online.fr
Dear openmoko users Here is an other Audio Application for Openmoko platform : Boxar is a kind of piano using the full surface of the touch screen to display scales It was created by Sampath Jagananthan on the Nokia n8x0 but I built it for the openmoko (GTA02 Running SHR) as well. Head to this

Re: boxar : New Audio Application (download or watch video)

2009-06-01 Thread Yorick Moko
nice maybe you could also add it on opkg.org, so it can reach more people? y On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 9:06 PM, RzR www.rzr.online.fr www.rzr.online...@gmail.com wrote: Dear openmoko users Here is an other Audio Application for Openmoko platform : Boxar is a kind of piano using the full

[navit] Crash with sdl + internal gui

2009-06-01 Thread Marcel
Hello, I'm trying to use navit with sdl driver and the internal gui (something told me thats faster, don't know where I got that from). gtk_drawing_area works fine, so in principle everything's fine. Once I change the driver to sdl, navit crashes like this: http://pastebin.ca/1443950 Do I need

Re: How to fix a broken AUX button ?

2009-06-01 Thread Rafael Campos
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Joerg Reisenweber jo...@openmoko.org wrote: Am Mo  25. Mai 2009 schrieb Philippe Lhardy: Hi, I am looking for a way to fix my Neo FreeRunner that felt badly on the floor. AUX button was not soldered anymore and i definitely broke the button by trying to glue

[debian] navit_0.1.0+svn-2301_armel.deb

2009-06-01 Thread arne anka
new navit up at http://www.ginguppin.de/node/26 i tweaked the config opts further, adding to the default opts of debain/rules CCFLAGS=-march=armv4t -mtune=arm920t --enable-avoid-float --disable-garmin --disable-samplemap --disable-postgresql --disable-graphics-opengl

Re: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12

2009-06-01 Thread Goffi
Thank you for all the great work ! I compile your git branch regularly and it works very well, it's my main distro for daily telephony (I keep an eye on OM2009 too ;) ). I have some questions/remarks: - I didn't found any option for sms delivery receipt, will QTEi have this option in the

Re: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12

2009-06-01 Thread Fabio Locati
Thank you Goffi :) About the BT: is all commented because qtmoko does not support bluez4 ;). We are going to work on it ;). On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 11:22 PM, Goffi go...@goffi.org wrote: Thank you for all the great work ! I compile your git branch regularly and it works very well, it's my main

Re: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12

2009-06-01 Thread Franky Van Liedekerke
Hi Goffi, On Mon, 1 Jun 2009 23:22:40 +0200 Goffi go...@goffi.org wrote: - I my knowledge, it is not possible to change the volume during a call, it would be nice to add a slider. I found the sound a little weak in the speaker, it's difficult to hear somebody in a noisy environment, is it

Re: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12

2009-06-01 Thread Jim Morris
Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: (install instructions and script updated on 2090601: see below) It's been a while, but we haven't been sleeping :-) FYI... I followed the instructions, and ran the script from ssh using the install option and it runs out of memory...

Re: Fundamental Qi question

2009-06-01 Thread roguemoko
On 1/06/2009 9:14 PM, arne anka wrote: No, Qi doesn't support jffs2. bummer. how's that -- it makes qi unusable for everybody using the internal flash as primary device and forces to boot from sd card. not sensible imo. I booted from flash and SD card for quite some time. Your information

Re: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12

2009-06-01 Thread Lorn Potter
Goffi wrote: Thank you for all the great work ! I compile your git branch regularly and it works very well, it's my main distro for daily telephony (I keep an eye on OM2009 too ;) ). I have some questions/remarks: - I didn't found any option for sms delivery receipt, will QTEi have this