Re: Intone binary (to test bluetooth headset issues)

2009-07-24 Thread The Digital Pioneer
I hate for you to waste precious GUI space on a problem that only one person seems to have. If I were you, I would make it a conffile option or something unobtrusive... I'm pretty certain it's a Bluez bug. It happens on my laptop too. I should probably submit a bug report... :P ___

Re: [all] ffalarms led color

2009-07-24 Thread jeremy jozwik
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 10:26 PM, William Kenworthy wrote: > I installed, then edited the theme (edj file) for it to change colour > and disable that braindead puzzle. > > BillK > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: [all] ffalarms led color

2009-07-24 Thread William Kenworthy
I installed, then edited the theme (edj file) for it to change colour and disable that braindead puzzle. BillK On Fri, 2009-07-24 at 11:08 -0700, jeremy jozwik wrote: > just a quick question in regards to ffalarms. i was looking around in > the led clock app page on the wiki > http://wiki.openmok

Re: [CU] voting required

2009-07-24 Thread Alex Teiche
I like V1, but there has to be some sort of clear defining line that defines the border between two of them(line, etc). It would also be really great if it had either V3 or V4's table, as that is really nice. On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 9:50 PM, David Ford wrote: > v1 please, i quite prefer the cle

Re: [CU] voting required

2009-07-24 Thread David Ford
v1 please, i quite prefer the clean white background ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Can my FreeRunner remind me to shut it down if it is still running at 22:00?

2009-07-24 Thread EdorFaus
Brolin Empey wrote: > 2009/7/24 Robin Paulson >> 2009/7/25 Brolin Empey : >>> I prefer to shut down my cell phone before going to bed, but I frequently >> it may be easier to schedule a cron job which shuts the phone down for >> you. sounding an alarm to remind you to do something the phone can do

Re: Can my FreeRunner remind me to shut it down if it is still running at 22:00?

2009-07-24 Thread Brolin Empey
2009/7/24 Robin Paulson > 2009/7/25 Brolin Empey : > > I prefer to shut down my cell phone before going to bed, but I frequently > > it may be easier to schedule a cron job which shuts the phone down for > you. sounding an alarm to remind you to do something the phone can do, > sounds like it's m

Re: Intone binary (to test bluetooth headset issues)

2009-07-24 Thread c_c
Hi, The Digital Pioneer wrote: > > No-one else seems to have this problem, and for me, they are > typically .6-.8 seconds apart. > Ok. Will move this to a gui settings option. And back to 1 sec between keypresses. Wasn't sure if this was more common or not. But, I agree, it doesn't seem to

[all] opkg killed by navit install

2009-07-24 Thread Robin Paulson
i've been trying to install the latest navit (2398) from the navit repository, and am having the usual problems with opkg not being able to handle it. i've created a 128mb swap file, and turned off the x server, but no dice. any ideas, guys? why does this require so much ram, is this a fundamental

Re: om2009/paroli status

2009-07-24 Thread Nicola Mfb
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 11:40 PM, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: [...] > r - someone unhappy feeling that no-one is working on Paroli or > bugfixing it.. I actually tried Zhone the other day (when Paroli or > FSO failed to delete SMS's from the SIM) and was very pleased with it > - I'd really like to see i

Re: [CU] voting required

2009-07-24 Thread jeremy jozwik
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Patryk Benderz wrote: > Hello list, >As i have finished layout for DistributionBox templates, please take a > look at [1] to see how DistributionBox would look like, which you like > most and post your votes here or on wiki discussion page. > Openmoko commu

Re: [CU] voting required

2009-07-24 Thread Mathieu Rochette
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 8:27 PM, Patryk Benderz wrote: > Hello list, >        As i have finished layout for DistributionBox templates, please take a > look at [1] to see how DistributionBox would look like, which you like > most and post your votes here or on wiki discussion page. >        After le

Re: Can my FreeRunner remind me to shut it down if it is still running at 22:00?

2009-07-24 Thread Robin Paulson
2009/7/25 Brolin Empey : > I prefer to shut down my cell phone before going to bed, but I frequently it may be easier to schedule a cron job which shuts the phone down for you. sounding an alarm to remind you to do something the phone can do, sounds like it's missing the point ___

OpenWrt ROCKS!!! :) So far... :| (And question about headset volume)

2009-07-24 Thread lists
Well, with OpenWrt I can finally place and receive calls and messages. And the phone responds to the screen when I get a call after it goes to sleep. IT WORKS!!! 8) However, the volume in the wire headseat is VERY low and I have no idea about the bluetooth. Does anybody knows how to make

Re: This stupid phone is unbelievable COOL!!!! 8)

2009-07-24 Thread lists
I can relate to this one... I was tasked to port this UNIX application from CORBA to Axis2C and I was handed out a (WHAT?!) Window$ XP laptop... I dual booted the Laptop (to have a fall back resource) and installed Kubuntu. I slapped a virtual XP on top to do the windoze thing (Outlook ans st

Re: This stupid phone is unbelievable COOL!!!! 8)

2009-07-24 Thread Brolin Empey
2009/7/22 > So I do: > > kitepi...@beechjet:~$ ssh -fCX r...@192.168.0.202 /usr/bin/midori > > And I have the browser running in my desktop monitor. > Only *TRUE* geeks can appreciate that! ;-) > That reminds me of when I used my dad’s Eee PC (701? The original model, with 4 GB of NAND flash

Re: Can my FreeRunner remind me to shut it down if it is still running at 22:00?

2009-07-24 Thread Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 01:24, Brolin Empey wrote: > 2009/7/24 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak >> >> Simply. Use at, or cron... Or write python or even bash script... You >> can also do automatic change profile to silend instead of shutting >> down... That's Linux box which fits in your pocket. You can do

Re: Can my FreeRunner remind me to shut it down if it is still running at 22:00?

2009-07-24 Thread Brolin Empey
2009/7/24 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak > Simply. Use at, or cron... Or write python or even bash script... You > can also do automatic change profile to silend instead of shutting > down... That's Linux box which fits in your pocket. You can do > everything. > If I create a cron job that runs every da

Re: [shr-unstable] navit won't run

2009-07-24 Thread Tim Abell
I just timed that install of navit-dev 53 minutes. meh. real53m 25.40s user6m 54.57s sys 23m 41.86s Tim arne anka wrote: > On Fri, 03 Jul 2009 06:31:22 +0200, Tim Abell wrote: > > >> opkg install navit-dev >> (installs *lots* of dedpedencies) >> > > of course -- it is a deve

Re: Can my FreeRunner remind me to shut it down if it is still running at 22:00?

2009-07-24 Thread Adam Jimerson
On Friday 24 July 2009 06:56:22 pm Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: >That's Linux box which fits in your pocket. You can do > everything. Except for charging while it is off, but that is a different story XP -- "We must plan for freedom, and not only for security, if for no other reason than only f

Re: Can my FreeRunner remind me to shut it down if it is still running at 22:00?

2009-07-24 Thread Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 00:44, Brolin Empey wrote: > Hello list, > > I still have not received my FreeRunner, but UPS says the package is > scheduled to be delivered on Tuesday.  Anyway, I have found Yet Another > limitation of my Nokia 6103b.  I am almost certain the FreeRunner will be > able to d

[shr-u] navit package change request - no desktop icon

2009-07-24 Thread Tim Abell
Hiya, Could I ask whoever packages navit for shr unstable to modify the .desktop file so it shows up on the main screen? in /usr/share/applications/navit.desktop "Categories=GTK;" should read "Categories=Applications;" or similar. Thanks Tim Abell _

Can my FreeRunner remind me to shut it down if it is still running at 22:00?

2009-07-24 Thread Brolin Empey
Hello list, I still have not received my FreeRunner, but UPS says the package is scheduled to be delivered on Tuesday. Anyway, I have found Yet Another limitation of my Nokia 6103b. I am almost certain the FreeRunner will be able to do what I need, but I wanted to ask how. I prefer to shut down

Re: [shr-u] navit - howto config navit.xml

2009-07-24 Thread Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 00:36, Tim Abell wrote: > Super, thanks Sebastian, > > Are you navit's maintainter then? (Just curious). > > Could you provide an idea when the feeds will be rebuilt, or any > background info on how that happens? > > Thanks again, > > Tim Abell No, i'm just SHR developer wh

Re: travel-diary a simple GPS application

2009-07-24 Thread Risto H. Kurppa
Thanks! I can't promise I have time to try this or move it to the wiki before travelling -> anyone feel free to write it there & try it out! r On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Christian Rüb wrote: > >> > wiki page: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Travel_Diary >> >> Christian, well done! >> >> I'

Re: [shr-u] navit - howto config navit.xml

2009-07-24 Thread Tim Abell
Super, thanks Sebastian, Are you navit's maintainter then? (Just curious). Could you provide an idea when the feeds will be rebuilt, or any background info on how that happens? Thanks again, Tim Abell Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: > I already told you why - that's configuration problem. Conf

Re: om2009/paroli status

2009-07-24 Thread Risto H. Kurppa
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Mirko Lindner wrote: > Less man power is the right way of putting it. There still is > development on both projects but less than before. Laszlo is doing a > great job improving things in paroli which I am very thankful for. Hard to believe: http://git.paroli-proje

Re: [Community Updates] July 23, 2009 released!

2009-07-24 Thread Risto H. Kurppa
awesome, thanks!! r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: [fso] no bluetooth

2009-07-24 Thread Petr Vanek
>mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ousaged /org/freesmartphone/Usage >org.freesmartphone.Usage.ListResources fyi, on shr-u on the same command i get this: ['Display', 'CPU', 'TEST', 'Bluetooth', 'GSM', 'WiFi', 'GPS'] Petr ___ Openmoko community mailing l

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-24 Thread Esben Stien
Wolfgang Spraul writes: > Do you know other free 3D tools? http://irc.esben-stien.name/mediawiki/index.php/NURBS -- Esben Stien is b...@e s a http://www. s tn m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid

[fso] no bluetooth

2009-07-24 Thread arne anka
hi, while trying to get my bt headset working, i don't get bluetooth enabled. mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ousaged /org/freesmartphone/Usage org.freesmartphone.Usage.ListResources /org/freesmartphone/Usage: ListResources -> dbus.Array([dbus.String(u'CPU'), dbus.String(u'TEST'), dbus.String(

Re: [CU] voting required

2009-07-24 Thread Marko Knöbl
2009/7/24, Patryk Benderz : > Hello list, > As i have finished layout for DistributionBox templates, please take a > look at [1] to see how DistributionBox would look like, which you like > most and post your votes here or on wiki discussion page. > After lets say a week or two, we will

[CU] voting required

2009-07-24 Thread Patryk Benderz
Hello list, As i have finished layout for DistributionBox templates, please take a look at [1] to see how DistributionBox would look like, which you like most and post your votes here or on wiki discussion page. After lets say a week or two, we will count votes and winner will be in

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-24 Thread steven mosher
Exactly, As I've said before people do a dis service to values of openess by these point comparisons between iPhone and everything else. But if that comparison must be made then let the first bullet point be this: Open versus Closed. That said if the goal is to create an iPhone clone wi

[all] ffalarms led color

2009-07-24 Thread jeremy jozwik
just a quick question in regards to ffalarms. i was looking around in the led clock app page on the wiki http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/LED_clock it makes mention of being able to change the clock color. is there any support for this in ffalarms? - jeremy _

Re: tangogps : updating tiles ?

2009-07-24 Thread David Ford
Perhaps a handful of tile mirrors could be set up. I can offer some space for this. -david ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: ANN: freesmartphone.org MS 5.5

2009-07-24 Thread Michal Brzozowski
2009/7/24 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak > SHR-unstable is always using the newest > frameworkd from git. > Thanks, I wasn't sure. Doing opkg upgrade now. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listi

Re: ANN: freesmartphone.org MS 5.5

2009-07-24 Thread Patryk Benderz
> I'd like to install FSO on SHR unstable, is it possible? When will SHR ehh, isn't SHR _based_ on FSO? How do you imagine installing it this way? -- Kind Regards Patryk Benderz IT Specialist Linux Registered User #377521 +48 22 538 6292 ERSTE Securities Polska S.A. ul. Królewska 16 Warszawa

Re: ANN: freesmartphone.org MS 5.5

2009-07-24 Thread Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 18:41, Michal Brzozowski wrote: > 2009/7/19 Michael 'Mickey' Lauer >> >> You can download images for GTA01 and GTA02 here: >> http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-stable/milestone5.5/ > > I'd like to install FSO on SHR unstable, is it possible? When will SHR > unstable i

Re: tangogps : updating tiles ?

2009-07-24 Thread Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 09:31:59PM +1200, Robin Paulson wrote: > why do you think wget has been banned? Because it says so: $ wget http://tile.openstreetmap.org/2/2/2.png --2009-07-24 12:10:17-- http://tile.openstreetmap.org/2/2/2.png Løser tile.openstreetmap.org...91.198.174.8 Connecting to

Re: tangogps : updating tiles ?

2009-07-24 Thread Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:07:58PM +0200, Ed Kapitein wrote: > On Tue, 2009-07-21 at 11:20 +0200, Xavier Cremaschi wrote: > > Does anyone know how I can update my tiles to get the most up-to-date > > openstreetmap info ? I will recommend using Yaouh! or the other one that I've forgotten the n

Re: [TI Calypso] I know it's NDA'ed but ...

2009-07-24 Thread sxpert
On Fri, 2009-07-24 at 17:30 +0100, Al Johnson wrote: > On Friday 24 July 2009, Nekron wrote: > > I wonder what will happen to the TI Calypso stuff inside the Freerunner? > > Now that OM stopped business who will take care of the GSM modem part and > > fix issues if they are found? As a now full com

Re: ANN: freesmartphone.org MS 5.5

2009-07-24 Thread Michal Brzozowski
2009/7/19 Michael 'Mickey' Lauer > You can download images for GTA01 and GTA02 here: > http://downloads.freesmartphone.org/fso-stable/milestone5.5/ > I'd like to install FSO on SHR unstable, is it possible? When will SHR unstable images come with 5.5 milestone? Michal __

Re: [TI Calypso] I know it's NDA'ed but ...

2009-07-24 Thread Al Johnson
On Friday 24 July 2009, Nekron wrote: > I wonder what will happen to the TI Calypso stuff inside the Freerunner? > Now that OM stopped business who will take care of the GSM modem part and > fix issues if they are found? As a now full community supported mobile > hardware platform wouldn't it be po

Re: Buzz fix party Barcelona, the movie

2009-07-24 Thread Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 12:54:02AM +0400, Paul Fertser wrote: > Hm, i'm sorry but how to actually see the movie? The link David > mentions leads only to some blog post with a picture, text and a link > to some swf :-/ I think it's this one (in three different resolutions): http://www.dailymot

Re: ANN: freesmartphone.org MS 5.5

2009-07-24 Thread Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 11:20:17AM +0200, Michal Brzozowski wrote: > > Are docs.freesmartphone.org going to be updated? There are no > org.freesmartphone.PIM docs, is the interface still subject to change? > > Can I assume that the other interfaces docs are up-to-date? Missing/insufficient do

Re: Intone binary (to test bluetooth headset issues)

2009-07-24 Thread The Digital Pioneer
Hi. Unfortunately, if you're blocking duplicate keypresses within anything less than a second, it's pointless. No-one else seems to have this problem, and for me, they are typically .6-.8 seconds apart. Maybe you could make it some kind of 'hidden feature' since you don't want it eating up GUI spac

Re: Intone binary (to test bluetooth headset issues)

2009-07-24 Thread c_c
Hi, KaZeR wrote: > > I only faced the following issue : if the device goes away (no more > batteries, or you shut it down) intone will hang. > Can you run mplayer in the terminal (with -msglevel global=6) shut down the headphone and send me the errors that mplayer comes up with? Thanks. --

Re: [TI Calypso] I know it's NDA'ed but ...

2009-07-24 Thread Patryk Benderz
Dnia 2009-07-24, pią o godzinie 11:03 +0200, Nekron pisze: > I wonder what will happen to the TI Calypso stuff inside the Freerunner? > Now that OM stopped business who will take care of the GSM modem part and Subscribe to gta02-c...@lists.openmoko.org There is a lot of talk about this issues ther

Re: ANN: freesmartphone.org MS 5.5

2009-07-24 Thread Michal Brzozowski
2009/7/23 Michal Brzozowski > 2009/7/19 Michael 'Mickey' Lauer > >> The Freesmartphone.org team is proud to release milestone 5.5 codenamed >> 'In Transit...'. >> > > Are docs.freesmartphone.org going to be updated? There are no > org.freesmartphone.PIM docs, is the interface still subject to ch

Re: Reducing resume verbosity with Qi

2009-07-24 Thread KaZeR
Al Johnson wrote: > > On Friday 24 July 2009, William Kenworthy wrote: >> I am using Qi to boot a gta02 to a flashed shr-unstable (not on SD) >> >> It works ok, but after a few resumes it slows dramaticly due to verbose >> printing to the screen. Is there a way to fix this? >> >> With u-boot,

Re: Intone binary (to test bluetooth headset issues)

2009-07-24 Thread KaZeR
c_c wrote: > > > >well other things when i return to settings page it says speaker and not >headphone :) Hmmm. That's not right - will take a look. I have the same issue : when opening the options menu it's always on 'speakers'. I made some tests (well, in fact i listened for 1hour+ of

Re: tangogps : updating tiles ?

2009-07-24 Thread Ed Kapitein
On Fri, 2009-07-24 at 22:25 +1200, Robin Paulson wrote: > 2009/7/21 Ed Kapitein : > > for TILE in `find /path/to/tiles -type f`; do > > echo "${TILE}" > > FILE=`basename "${TILE}"` > > L1=`dirname "${TILE}" | gawk -F"/" '{ print $NF}'` > > L2=`dirname "${TILE}" | gawk -F"/" '{ print $(NF-1)}'`

Re: tangogps : updating tiles ?

2009-07-24 Thread Robin Paulson
2009/7/21 Ed Kapitein : > for TILE in `find /path/to/tiles -type f`; do >  echo "${TILE}" >  FILE=`basename "${TILE}"` >  L1=`dirname "${TILE}" | gawk -F"/" '{ print $NF}'` >  L2=`dirname "${TILE}" | gawk -F"/" '{ print $(NF-1)}'` >  curl --output "${TILE}" > http://tile.openstreetmap.org/"${L2}"/"

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-24 Thread Al Johnson
On Friday 24 July 2009, Tony Berth wrote: > I wouldn't care about Sisvel. Let them try to sue you in ... China :) What > Sisvel 'defines' is useless and they know that. How may chinese companies > were sued anyway? :) Christoph's problem is that as a reseller he's the one that gets sued, or has h

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-24 Thread Wolfgang Spraul
Tony, just a few misconceptions - Qi is global, same as Openmoko. Headquarter in San Francisco, R&D in Taiwan, Germany, USA. Production in China. About patents - we care a lot. Qi Hardware is Copyleft Hardware. How could we think that this would work if we didn't respect intellectual property? We

Re: [openBmap] GSM/GPS logger 0.4.0 is out!

2009-07-24 Thread Tony Berth
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 9:59 PM, Onen wrote: > Hi everyone, > > comments from people have been used to build a new graphical interface! > I hope you will like it! The list of changes can be found below... > > Thanks to mrmoku, Stefan Schmidt, and Sebastian Reichel, the packages > are available in

Re: tango and the missing map tiles

2009-07-24 Thread Christophe Badoit
Le jeudi 23 juillet 2009 22:08:03, Ben Wong a écrit : > Oops, that didn't work. That's what I get for trying to cleanup the > error checking before posting. This version actually works. > > #!/bin/sh > > # Look for OpenStreetMap tiles that are size zero (TangoGPS has a bug) > # and download the c

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-24 Thread Al Johnson
On Friday 24 July 2009, Christoph Pulster wrote: > >> 3. the PDA clam-shell form factor is obsolete > > > > Not a single one commented negatively about the clamshell. > > Psion Plc. invent the clamshell and set the top-level of usable keyboard > verses form-factor with Series 3 twenty years ago. T

Re: at+clvl control??

2009-07-24 Thread Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 02:03, xChris wrote: > > Hi, > > is there any program that can setup the 'at+clvl' ? > The volume on the SHR-U is still low even I setup the alsa states... > so I suspect that I have to increase the 'at+clvl' > > TIA > > chris AT+CLVL is set to 255 (max value) by default i

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-24 Thread Tony Berth
just few comments from a European! :) Its just FINE that you base your company in China. China is worldwide a synonym of superior quality and most advanced technology in terms of electronics and they are catching up extremely fast with the rest of the industrial activities. I wouldn't care about

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-24 Thread Michal Brzozowski
2009/7/24 Christoph Pulster > In general, what advantage does the NanoNote have to an Iphone with > Linux installed ? > I hope you are talking just about the design. Physical keyboard is way better if you're typing a lot. Even small. The screen is protected when it's in your pocket. I could pro

[TI Calypso] I know it's NDA'ed but ...

2009-07-24 Thread Nekron
I wonder what will happen to the TI Calypso stuff inside the Freerunner? Now that OM stopped business who will take care of the GSM modem part and fix issues if they are found? As a now full community supported mobile hardware platform wouldn't it be possible to contact TI and release the Calpyso

Re: tangogps : updating tiles ?

2009-07-24 Thread Robin Paulson
2009/7/24 William Kenworthy : > Is there any advantage (to the server) of using curl? - is there a > reason why openstreetmap would ban one and not the other (or is it just > someone(s) using wget beating up their server? why do you think wget has been banned? and what good would it do anyway? ch

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-24 Thread john
Actually one of the things I would like to do with a NanoNote is turn it into a dedicated Twitter client! I think opinion will always be divided on form factor. I have owned many devices from the Psion Series II through to the iPhone but I still like Zaurus clamshell designs. I also like the idea o

Re: Reducing resume verbosity with Qi

2009-07-24 Thread Al Johnson
On Friday 24 July 2009, William Kenworthy wrote: > I am using Qi to boot a gta02 to a flashed shr-unstable (not on SD) > > It works ok, but after a few resumes it slows dramaticly due to verbose > printing to the screen. Is there a way to fix this? > > With u-boot, I reduced the kernel verbosity t

Re: touchpad on OM

2009-07-24 Thread Helge Hafting
Michal Brzozowski wrote: > Hi, > > I'm not sure if anyone has ever tried this. I thought it would be handy > to have a mouse pointer on the phone, driven by a "touchpad" area in the > lower part of the screen. To click you just hit an appropriate button. > This way you can do left click, right

Re: om2009/paroli status

2009-07-24 Thread Nicola Mfb
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 8:40 AM, Mirko Lindner wrote: > Hi, > > On 24 Jul 2009, at 02:04, Nicola Mfb wrote: > >> Hi! >> Is om2009 and paroli in a temporary sleeping status or was development >> terminated? >> Somethings changed in the last days and may be now there is less man >> power to improve t