Re: Discussion: what are your dreams for the Openmoko Community
Wow, this is a really impressive list with new ideas I have not yet heard of! And the most interesting thing is that I think almost all can be done and don't have major technical hurdles to overcome. The main challenge is to make them user friendly and bug free. It appears that we more have a lack of active developers doing it. And are missing some coordination to get a complete solution. Maybe we should again think about a more formal organization of the Openmoko.org (software) project? Some Foundation or Association? Nikolaus Am 30.04.2012 um 00:59 schrieb Benjamin Deering: > The infrared thermometer on my GTA02 has been very useful and it is not > something that the iphone guys have. I will probably not be doing any > soldering on my GTA04 for a while, but it might be something interesting to > add to GTA05. > > I think the BMP085 in GTA04 is something the iphone guys don't have. Getting > some clues for the upcoming weather is very useful when you are completely > without signal. > > A threaded/prepared camera hole for attaching a microscope or telescope lense > would be nice. > > This is probably best done over USB, but it could be done over an I2C adc > converter >volt-meter >ph meter >ohm-meter > > > GPS that reliably gets a fix and displays in an app such as foxtrotgps while > driving and hiking. I can wake the phone from suspend and find our location > on the map before my friends who are using a paper map.(GTA02 does not do > this) > > GPS app is able to download map tiles from my home server if I find myself > outside of the area I planned to be (GTA02 does this) > > Phone tracks barometric pressure overnight while camping to give an > indication of the upcoming day's weather. (my GTA02 does this, most do not, > GTA04 does) > > Phone is able to play pre-downloaded podcasts or radio over headphones or > speakers in the evening(GTA02 does half of this - headphone issues) > > Finger-friendly email(qtmoko does this, noone else has it yet) > > A web browser that works well enough to buy something online using the phone > (from a site where I have not purchased before) (noone has this yet) > > While driving I can hand the phone to a passenger who is tech-savvy but not > familiar with openmoko. They are able to wake, unlock, dial, start gps, > start browser without much coaching from me. (qtmoko is closest, but noone > has this yet) > > I take the phone from my pocket, wake it up, and take a picture faster than I > can take off and open my backpack, take out my real camera, and take a > picture. (not sure if anyone has this) > > I can enable an option so the phone makes noise when it associates with a > tower(noone has this) > > I can reliably write an SMS, click send, and know it will be sent next time > the phone has signal(I don't think anyone has this) > > I can enable Wifi tethering that a friend with a non-linux laptop can > use(noone has this) > > I can keep most of my data on a dmcrypt partition that is decrypted after > entering a pin in a gui login screen(noone has this) > > I can boot from NAND into an OS that runs at low brightness with everything > but GSM turned off, access to contacts on my SIM, a dialer, ability to > answer, SMS (aurora is working on this) > > Turn off the tv at my table at the resturaunt using IR (limited range is ok - > the TV is at my table, not accross the bar) > > Plug phone into my car-stereo usb port, stereo sees a mass storage device > with my music on it. (GTA02 does this, but file-system corruption follows) > > Reliable accelerometer screen rotation with bigger keyboard in landscape > (this works sometimes on SHR) > > GPS program displays heading information from a digital compass, but position > information from the GPS (multiple gpsd instances?) > > Easilly switch music output between loudspeaker, headphones, FM transmitter. > > An app to transmit arbitrary RDS (the text on FM tuner) while iterating over > frequencies > > PGP encrypted voip (http://zfoneproject.com?) > > Make a small change to a python/perl program using full screen transparent > terminal keyboard. > > Show my friends pictures I have taken on the phone by dragging from one to > the next. > > Using GPS, compass, gyros, accelerometers, camera to display an augmented > reality view of the night sky > > > There is about 20 minutes worth of ideas, but I will keep thinking. > > Ben > > On 04/28/2012 05:52 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: >> It has become a little quiet here in the last weeks so that I >> really fear about the spirit and status of this community. >> >> So what are your dreams with respect to open mobile handhelds? >> What would you like as future hardware? What to see in software >> distros? Anything else? What missing piece are you waiting for? >> >> If we exchange these ideas it may be possible that we all >> work together (with smaller and bigger contributions - everyone >> as he/she li
Re: Discussion: what are your dreams for the Openmoko Community
Hi all, On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 6:30 AM, Neil Jerram wrote: > My impression is that most people are impressed only by flashy whole > systems, or by ideas associated with extreme(-ish) outdoor activities; > and not much by > > - dreams/ideas that haven't been implemented at all yet > > - incremental developments and experiments in everyday OS or phone > usage, outside the "whole system" context. > There was some Open Source project that I was involved with that emphasized "doing" over "brainstorming". It was said that they had warehoused full of neat ideas, all neatly packed, row after row, all wanting some masterful programmer to come and just implement them. It's easy to dream, but it's a bit harder to make that dream reality. The "whole system" idea has its merits. In my opinion, what is needed is a good approach to the whole system, rather then a perfect whole system. I think it's hard for non-tech people to get excited about something they can't see, and for most experienced tech people they know too well about vapourware. (I myself was patiently waiting just recently for a portable hardware keyboard, whose site now redirects you to a far less able and satisfying "clone" of another portable keyboard). I see the Group tour struggling and it disheartens me, because I think this is a very worthy project with a good goal. I've spent some time on suggestions and ideas, and it looks like some of them might be gaining traction (yay!). I hope that we see a GTA04 soon. But, longer term, I am starting to think we have to look beyond phones. There is a large market for phones, but like Ipods and E-book readers, I've seen "libre" projects come and flounder as they don't have the traction or brand recognition to gain sales and market share. Being several dollars cheaper isn't a saving grace either. :S If we had a community based "shell", which could be the platform for many open source hardware devices, then I think there could be much more traction. This would be a GTA05 or beyond device, of course, but could be the basis of an MP3 player. Or a GPS. Or an e-book reader. The idea here is that with one of the "child" devices being successful, it would drive down costs for other devices (at least on the base platform) and allow for further volume discounts. It's just a crazy thought, but maybe a good one. Thanks, G ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Discussion: what are your dreams for the Openmoko Community
The infrared thermometer on my GTA02 has been very useful and it is not something that the iphone guys have. I will probably not be doing any soldering on my GTA04 for a while, but it might be something interesting to add to GTA05. I think the BMP085 in GTA04 is something the iphone guys don't have. Getting some clues for the upcoming weather is very useful when you are completely without signal. A threaded/prepared camera hole for attaching a microscope or telescope lense would be nice. This is probably best done over USB, but it could be done over an I2C adc converter volt-meter ph meter ohm-meter GPS that reliably gets a fix and displays in an app such as foxtrotgps while driving and hiking. I can wake the phone from suspend and find our location on the map before my friends who are using a paper map.(GTA02 does not do this) GPS app is able to download map tiles from my home server if I find myself outside of the area I planned to be (GTA02 does this) Phone tracks barometric pressure overnight while camping to give an indication of the upcoming day's weather. (my GTA02 does this, most do not, GTA04 does) Phone is able to play pre-downloaded podcasts or radio over headphones or speakers in the evening(GTA02 does half of this - headphone issues) Finger-friendly email(qtmoko does this, noone else has it yet) A web browser that works well enough to buy something online using the phone (from a site where I have not purchased before) (noone has this yet) While driving I can hand the phone to a passenger who is tech-savvy but not familiar with openmoko. They are able to wake, unlock, dial, start gps, start browser without much coaching from me. (qtmoko is closest, but noone has this yet) I take the phone from my pocket, wake it up, and take a picture faster than I can take off and open my backpack, take out my real camera, and take a picture. (not sure if anyone has this) I can enable an option so the phone makes noise when it associates with a tower(noone has this) I can reliably write an SMS, click send, and know it will be sent next time the phone has signal(I don't think anyone has this) I can enable Wifi tethering that a friend with a non-linux laptop can use(noone has this) I can keep most of my data on a dmcrypt partition that is decrypted after entering a pin in a gui login screen(noone has this) I can boot from NAND into an OS that runs at low brightness with everything but GSM turned off, access to contacts on my SIM, a dialer, ability to answer, SMS (aurora is working on this) Turn off the tv at my table at the resturaunt using IR (limited range is ok - the TV is at my table, not accross the bar) Plug phone into my car-stereo usb port, stereo sees a mass storage device with my music on it. (GTA02 does this, but file-system corruption follows) Reliable accelerometer screen rotation with bigger keyboard in landscape (this works sometimes on SHR) GPS program displays heading information from a digital compass, but position information from the GPS (multiple gpsd instances?) Easilly switch music output between loudspeaker, headphones, FM transmitter. An app to transmit arbitrary RDS (the text on FM tuner) while iterating over frequencies PGP encrypted voip (http://zfoneproject.com?) Make a small change to a python/perl program using full screen transparent terminal keyboard. Show my friends pictures I have taken on the phone by dragging from one to the next. Using GPS, compass, gyros, accelerometers, camera to display an augmented reality view of the night sky There is about 20 minutes worth of ideas, but I will keep thinking. Ben On 04/28/2012 05:52 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: It has become a little quiet here in the last weeks so that I really fear about the spirit and status of this community. So what are your dreams with respect to open mobile handhelds? What would you like as future hardware? What to see in software distros? Anything else? What missing piece are you waiting for? If we exchange these ideas it may be possible that we all work together (with smaller and bigger contributions - everyone as he/she likes) to fulfill them... Otherwise I guess we have just to consume what Apple, Samsung, MS-Nokia and others are confronting us with in the next years. May it be open or closed as they like. Or is this where we see our future? Or am I completely wrong in my impression? Phew - a lot of questions and so early in the morning :) Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Berliners needed
Hi. I want to come in Berlin from May 23th to 26th at LinuxTag. I don't speak German (at all). Maybe the community can help. Moreover, if someone is ever interested in giving courses to help me start with GTA04 development let him raise his hand !!! This will be retributed. I've got knowledge with C / C++ / linux, but none with this device. Waiting to hear from you, -- Guillaume Farny CCAS de Bagnolet Place Salvador Allende 93170 Bagnolet FRANCE 06.16.52.42.32 farny.guilla...@yahoo.fr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Gta04-owner] Meeting at LinuxTag Berlin
Hi Nikolaus, On 28.04.2012 12:30, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Hi, I have applied for a project meeting point (not a stand - that would require a better organized Openmoko community to provide stand staffing for 4 full days). It you plan to come to Berlin, please register through a doodle so we know when the highest number of visitors wants to come: http://freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=14&p=19465#p19465 do you plan to hold the meeting in English or German? I've never visited LinuxTag before, language uncertainty stops, and I'd appreciate you, if you can share your vision about the working language at least of your meeting/session. Thanks a lot. -- With best wishes, Vladimir ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Discussion: what are your dreams for the Openmoko Community
On Saturday 28 April 2012 09:52:45 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > It has become a little quiet here in the last weeks so that I > really fear about the spirit and status of this community. > > So what are your dreams with respect to open mobile handhelds? > What would you like as future hardware? What to see in software > distros? Anything else? What missing piece are you waiting for? For me most of the dreams became true now. I have open phone which is fast and stable for daily use - and it's quite nice experience. I can now boot between SHR, QtMoko and Android. Btw Android is running on Neil's 3.3 kernel without any additional patches - this is really nice. QtMoko is really fast on GTA04 - even when running on ARM v4 it's much faster then e.g. N900. I am looking for how it will work on armhf. I'd like to have better case and better battery life in suspend. > Otherwise I guess we have just to consume what Apple, Samsung, > MS-Nokia and others are confronting us with in the next years. > May it be open or closed as they like. > > Or is this where we see our future? Or am I completely wrong in my > impression? Please no - GTA04 is the best, i wish more people would realize this. Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Discussion: what are your dreams for the Openmoko Community
On Saturday 28 April 2012 12:37:01 Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: > I'd like to have an open source calendar application, please :) Have you tried the calendar in QtMoko? It's GPL and can be probably running on X11-QT without much effort. Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
