Re: Phoenux, Phoneux, Phonux?
Am 11.06.2012 um 22:57 schrieb Jon maddog Hall: > After a while Linus said "I do not care what you call it as long as you > use it." and things settled down for a while. I didnt know that yet. We should do the same with the Openphoenux :) Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Phoenux, Phoneux, Phonux?
Hi I think the group should be more concerned about the "ugs" part, Absolutely, ugh. And the eee also sounds alarming to me. I hear "eeek-yuck!" :-) I feel sort of idiot trying to emphasize how important I think this is. But I do. Here I go again. It's the first impression. All the connotations that bubble up with the name, define, in a split second, just how much attention people are going to give it. And all those split seconds together could make the difference between a thriving userbase or a bunch of hardcore hobbyists. Both are great goals ofcourse. But if you want to "change the world fundamentally", take the branding seriously all the way. Learning from Apple ? $2c, *-pike ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Phoenux, Phoneux, Phonux?
> > I concede that you're right about Linus and Linux. The fact remains > for phoenux would still hold since it's pronounced with the same long > e sound as in Linus' name. So fee-nəks (or fee-nux) and not phon-ugs. I think the group should be more concerned about the "ugs" part, since the word "ugh" in American slang: Ugh Ugh ([oo^]), interj. An exclamation expressive of disgust, horror, or recoil. Its utterance is usually accompanied by a shudder. [1913 Webster] md ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Phoenux, Phoneux, Phonux?
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Jon "maddog" Hall wrote: > On Mon, 2012-06-11 at 15:30 -0500, Harley Laue wrote: >> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 1:15 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller >> wrote: >> > Linux is pronounced in english as "Line-ugs" (/ˈlɪnəks/ [1]). I.e. it >> > should be "phon-ugs". >> > [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux >> >> Just as an FYI from a native speaker, /ˈlɪnəks/ would be lin-əks With >> "lin" which sounds like bin or the proper name Lynn > > Except that Linus' name is pronounced 'Lee-nus', not "Lin-us" or > "Lie-nus". Therefore if the kernel was named after him, it would have > been pronounced "Lee-nux". > > As the various groups went back and forth with the pronunciations of > "Linux", Linus created a .au file (Ogg had not been developed yet) and > put it in the kernel sources. You can listen to that audio file, > converted to .ogg, at the Wikipedia site. > > Seemingly one of the vast numbers of people could say "Lee-nux" even > with the audio file, so most either called it "Lin-nux" or "Lie-nux". > > After a while Linus said "I do not care what you call it as long as you > use it." and things settled down for a while. > > One day, after Linus had moved to California and was working for > Transmeta, I phoned him, and he answered the phone "Lye-nus". > I said "Lea-nus that is not even your name." He said '"I know, but > nobody in California can say "Lea-nus", so I am "Lye-nus"'. > > And so it goes. While it is nice that everyone pronounce the name > correctly, the most important thing is that they use your project, > including being able to find it using a search engine. > > Warmest regards, > > maddog (all lower case, one word) I concede that you're right about Linus and Linux. The fact remains for phoenux would still hold since it's pronounced with the same long e sound as in Linus' name. So fee-nəks (or fee-nux) and not phon-ugs. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Phoenux, Phoneux, Phonux?
On Mon, 2012-06-11 at 15:30 -0500, Harley Laue wrote: > On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 1:15 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller > wrote: > > Linux is pronounced in english as "Line-ugs" (/ˈlɪnəks/ [1]). I.e. it > > should be "phon-ugs". > > [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux > > Just as an FYI from a native speaker, /ˈlɪnəks/ would be lin-əks With > "lin" which sounds like bin or the proper name Lynn Except that Linus' name is pronounced 'Lee-nus', not "Lin-us" or "Lie-nus". Therefore if the kernel was named after him, it would have been pronounced "Lee-nux". As the various groups went back and forth with the pronunciations of "Linux", Linus created a .au file (Ogg had not been developed yet) and put it in the kernel sources. You can listen to that audio file, converted to .ogg, at the Wikipedia site. Seemingly one of the vast numbers of people could say "Lee-nux" even with the audio file, so most either called it "Lin-nux" or "Lie-nux". After a while Linus said "I do not care what you call it as long as you use it." and things settled down for a while. One day, after Linus had moved to California and was working for Transmeta, I phoned him, and he answered the phone "Lye-nus". I said "Lea-nus that is not even your name." He said '"I know, but nobody in California can say "Lea-nus", so I am "Lye-nus"'. And so it goes. While it is nice that everyone pronounce the name correctly, the most important thing is that they use your project, including being able to find it using a search engine. Warmest regards, maddog (all lower case, one word) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Phoenux, Phoneux, Phonux?
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 1:15 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > Linux is pronounced in english as "Line-ugs" (/ˈlɪnəks/ [1]). I.e. it should > be "phon-ugs". > [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux Just as an FYI from a native speaker, /ˈlɪnəks/ would be lin-əks With "lin" which sounds like bin or the proper name Lynn and the 'ə' having the same sound as the 'a' in "about". It's also a 'k' sound (as in kind) here and not a 'g'. The linked wikidpedia article is quite helpful with mouse-over tooltips for the pronunciation for each letter in /ˈlɪnəks/ Thus, it would be phon-əks here by your reasoning. But because phoenux is just phoenix with the 'i' changed to a 'u', I'd pronounce it exactly the same way but with an 'ə' sound for the u. So based on the wikipedia's article: [2] pronunciation of phoenix: /ˈfiːnɪks/ I'd say phoenux would thus be: /ˈfiːnəks/ [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix,_Arizona ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Phoenux, Phoneux, Phonux?
Hi If we were voting, I'd go for OpenPhonux +1 again. Well, OpenPhonix :-) The name is derived from: Open-Phoen(ix)-(Lin)ux so its openphoenux.org Linux is pronounced in english as "Line-ugs" (/ˈlɪnəks/ [1]). I.e. it should be "phon-ugs". "Phoen" is not going to be pronounced as "foʊn" by anyone ? It will be "Feenugs" in most peoples mouth, as in Phoenic, Phoenicians and Phoenicopteriformes ( flamingos :-) ).. $2c, *-pike ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Learning from Apple...
http://www.leasticoulddo.com/comic/20120611 -- "Schon vor dem Come-Back von Modern Talking wusste ich: Dieter Bohlen ist der Preis der Freiheit." Heinz Rudolf Kunze ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Learning from Apple...
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 9:01 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > I just read what the Apple CEO did say 5 minutes ago: > > ... > > Almost everything he says can be said about the independent and open > source communities (except we don't have such many money - but we have > brains as well). > And we also want to change the world fundamentally. Towards real freedom > for the users. > > Very well said! > This is the reason why I get up each morning and continue to improve the > Openphoenux/GTA04 world :) > > A big thank you for your motivation and persistence! Marc ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Learning from Apple...
I just read what the Apple CEO did say 5 minutes ago: 11:52 am"Only Apple could make such amazing hardware, software, and services." 11:52 am"The products we make combined with the apps that you create can fundamentally change the world." 11:53 am"And really, I can't think of a better reason of getting up in the morning." Almost everything he says can be said about the independent and open source communities (except we don't have such many money - but we have brains as well). And we also want to change the world fundamentally. Towards real freedom for the users. This is the reason why I get up each morning and continue to improve the Openphoenux/GTA04 world :) Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Phoenux, Phoneux, Phonux?
Am 03.06.2012 um 16:02 schrieb Christoph Pulster: If we were voting, I'd go for OpenPhonux > > I vote for Openmoko2. The idea is still the same, why change > the well-known brand name ? Well, because we (the community) do not own the brand name and therefore can't use it. And, if you google for Openmoko, you will find many comments seeing it as a failure. Therefore a new bird starting over :) Nikolaus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Phoenux, Phoneux, Phonux?
On 11/06/12 07:15, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: it should be "phon-ugs". That's what I should have asked about - pronunciation rather than spelling. Because (as an English speaker) I've been pronouncing OpenPhoenux as open-fee-nux (like the legendary phoenix, fee-nix or fii-nix in English). I've only just realised (Duh!) that the "oe" is an "o-umlaut" and therefore more like an "o" sound. But I think that most English speakers would make the same mistake. That's why I thought the OpenPhonux spelling was good - it forces English speakers to say it your way. (As well as looking more like "Phone" on paper.) I'll be careful to say "phon-ugs" from now on! Nick ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
