On 2013-08-23 07:26, openm...@pulster.de wrote:
the GTA04 is a ready-to-use OpenSource smartphone.
The GTA04 *is* out of production and no longer for sale. It *could* be
the motherboard in a ready-to-use smartphone but it *isn't*.
There are no other
reasons why it isnt available, just
joerg Reisenweber jo...@openmoko.org wrote:
I invite you to visit me at my home
If you meant it seriously, you might as well give your address or GPS
coords (by unicast if you prefer) - but I highly doubt that you meant
it seriously.
trying to force me to hand to you
Hand to me? What me?
On Fri 23 August 2013 10:35:38 Bob Ham wrote:
On 2013-08-23 07:26, openm...@pulster.de wrote:
the GTA04 is a ready-to-use OpenSource smartphone.
The GTA04 *is* out of production and no longer for sale.
Says who?
It *could* be
the motherboard in a ready-to-use smartphone but it *isn't*.
On 2013-08-23 09:38, joerg Reisenweber wrote:
On Fri 23 August 2013 10:35:38 Bob Ham wrote:
On 2013-08-23 07:26, openm...@pulster.de wrote:
The GTA04 *is* out of production and no longer for sale.
Says who?
Says Golden Delicious:
Note: we currently have no stock since we need to
On 2013-08-23 10:02, openm...@pulster.de wrote:
Its not out of Production, but production is stopped
Err..
What's the difference between out of Production and production is
stopped?
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Am 23.08.2013 um 12:08 schrieb Bob Ham:
On 2013-08-23 09:38, joerg Reisenweber wrote:
On Fri 23 August 2013 10:35:38 Bob Ham wrote:
On 2013-08-23 07:26, openm...@pulster.de wrote:
The GTA04 *is* out of production and no longer for sale.
Says who?
Says Golden Delicious:
Note: we
Am 23.08.2013 um 12:10 schrieb Bob Ham:
On 2013-08-23 10:02, openm...@pulster.de wrote:
Its not out of Production, but production is stopped
Err..
What's the difference between out of Production and production is stopped?
Compare with a train:
stopped: is at the railway station and
On 2013-08-23 10:38, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
Am 23.08.2013 um 12:10 schrieb Bob Ham:
What's the difference between out of Production and production is
stopped?
Compare with a train:
stopped: is at the railway station and waiting for a green light
I don't understand. What is the
El día Friday, August 23, 2013 a las 10:10:58AM +, Bob Ham escribió:
stopped?
Concerning stop, can we please stop this SPAM? If you (Bob) have a
proposal, how to continue, put it on the table and let's discuss this.
Thanks
matthias
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On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Bob Ham wrote:
I don't understand. What is the green light with respect to the GTA04?
That was already mentioned; money for components being available.
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On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 10:47:14AM +, Bob Ham wrote:
On 2013-08-23 10:38, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
Am 23.08.2013 um 12:10 schrieb Bob Ham:
What's the difference between out of Production and production is
stopped?
Compare with a train:
stopped: is at the railway station and
Am 23.08.2013 um 12:47 schrieb Bob Ham:
On 2013-08-23 10:38, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
Am 23.08.2013 um 12:10 schrieb Bob Ham:
What's the difference between out of Production and production is
stopped?
Compare with a train:
stopped: is at the railway station and waiting for a
On 2013-08-23 10:56, Paul Wise wrote:
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Bob Ham wrote:
I don't understand. What is the green light with respect to the
GTA04?
That was already mentioned; money for components being available.
The fact that there is *no* money was mentioned. Here you seem
Am 23.08.2013 um 13:18 schrieb Bob Ham:
On 2013-08-23 10:56, Paul Wise wrote:
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Bob Ham wrote:
I don't understand. What is the green light with respect to the GTA04?
That was already mentioned; money for components being available.
The fact that there
Your free phone idea appeals to me enormously, Michael. And I,
(unlike I suspect some others on the list) very much like your
framing of the issues, too. I fully support the idea that if a law
makes private conversation illegal, it is a bad law, and regulatory
blocks on GSM that forbid
Nick, you raised very good questions.
I believe, that we don't need GSM at all. I don't use it for two years
now.
When we use GSM we use carrier services. Can we be sure that carrier does
not track us, don't record our calls etc?
For instance, in my country secret service has direct access to
However, can GSM really be a base for secure communication anyway?
IMHO the need for the GSM stack being open sourced is largely overestimated.
Security experts say that the question is how to secure communication over an
unsecure communication medium.
Depending on which level you want to
Security experts have moved on from that line of thinking long ago I
think. The problem with it is that a GSM/3G/LTE modem is not just a
communications channel. It is a generic processor running software.
Probably buggy, insecure, proprietary software. Same goes for GPS,
WiFi, Ethernet and other
On 2013-08-23 11:27, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
Am 23.08.2013 um 13:18 schrieb Bob Ham:
On 2013-08-23 10:56, Paul Wise wrote:
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Bob Ham wrote:
I don't understand. What is the green light with respect to the
GTA04?
That was already mentioned; money for
Am 23.08.2013 14:41, schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller:
However, can GSM really be a base for secure communication anyway?
IMHO the need for the GSM stack being open sourced is largely overestimated.
Security experts say that the question is how to secure communication over an
unsecure
On Fri, 23 Aug 2013 13:45:20 +
Bob Ham r...@settrans.net wrote:
On 2013-08-23 11:27, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
Am 23.08.2013 um 13:18 schrieb Bob Ham:
On 2013-08-23 10:56, Paul Wise wrote:
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Bob Ham wrote:
I don't understand. What is the
Am 23.08.2013 um 15:45 schrieb Bob Ham:
On 2013-08-23 11:27, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
Am 23.08.2013 um 13:18 schrieb Bob Ham:
On 2013-08-23 10:56, Paul Wise wrote:
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Bob Ham wrote:
I don't understand. What is the green light with respect to the
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 5:30 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
h...@goldelico.com wrote:
Am 23.08.2013 um 15:45 schrieb Bob Ham:
On 2013-08-23 11:27, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
Am 23.08.2013 um 13:18 schrieb Bob Ham:
On 2013-08-23 10:56, Paul Wise wrote:
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 12:47 PM,
Hi
What's going to cause the green light to go on?
People deciding to spend some money instead of complaining that it is
too expensive.
What is going to cause people to decide that?
branding.
But it's already good to have
a nice and clear website with downloadable PDF to print out posters
Am 23.08.2013 um 17:05 schrieb kardan:
On Fri, 23 Aug 2013 13:45:20 +
Bob Ham r...@settrans.net wrote:
On 2013-08-23 11:27, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
Am 23.08.2013 um 13:18 schrieb Bob Ham:
On 2013-08-23 10:56, Paul Wise wrote:
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Bob Ham wrote:
Am 23.08.2013 17:05, schrieb kardan:
Fifth there is some expectation in the air me to come up with a new
website design. So I better stop here for the next hours to hack
something which will hopefully be better than what we have.
I doubt it will make the key change alone. But it's already
could everybody please stop answering without checking and fixing the damn
subject?!
THANKS!
/j
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Nick openmoko-commun...@njw.me.uk wrote:
Your free phone idea appeals to me enormously, Michael.
Yay, one more supporter!
However, can GSM really be a base for secure communication anyway?
I see that after your post, the thread on the mailing list veered off
into a discussion of security.
I don't think money is the only problem.
the missing money is just the indicator for this project's failure to
create sufficient public interest or even awareness.
while the GTA01/2 was a nice idea, it was already slightly outdated when
it appeared -- and since then nothing has changed, the
On Fri, 2013-08-23 at 17:30 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
Am 23.08.2013 um 15:45 schrieb Bob Ham:
On 2013-08-23 11:27, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
Am 23.08.2013 um 13:18 schrieb Bob Ham:
On 2013-08-23 10:56, Paul Wise wrote:
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Bob Ham
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 1:21 PM, arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de wrote:
i am still undecided if i should admire or pity the thread starter, if he
honestly believed that this community would be able to succeed where ubuntu
failed -- and on top of that to jump from todays GTA04 to the device as
On Fri 23 August 2013 21:07:14 Michael Spacefalcon wrote:
I would be
very happy to have a really free modem firmware on my GTA02 in the
meantime.
Then maybe you should try talking some sense into Joerg etc - maybe
they'll listen to you more than they are willing to listen to me.
I
On Fri 23 August 2013 22:45:05 Bob Ham wrote:
I can't see anything that people will cause people to make that
decision. This is why I'm wondering what cause *you* see. You said
you're waiting. What do you believe is going to happen? What are you
waiting *for*? What is going to occur that
Four years ago this worked for getting data from a SIM card:
http://www.mail-archive.com/community@lists.openmoko.org/msg55862.html
qtmoko SMS messages are saved in an sqlite3 file under Applications/qtopiamail/
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 11:22 PM, Алексей fl...@member.fsf.org wrote:
1) How may
On the Road --- hns
Am 23.08.2013 um 22:45 schrieb Bob Ham r...@settrans.net:
On Fri, 2013-08-23 at 17:30 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
Am 23.08.2013 um 15:45 schrieb Bob Ham:
On 2013-08-23 11:27, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
Am 23.08.2013 um 13:18 schrieb Bob Ham:
On
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I would like to add my vote to the proposal of a totally new non-smart
phone.
A recent article in 'The Futurist' has flagged the demise of the current
model of the 'smartphone' in favour of less intrusive devices such as
glasses and watches.
On Sat, 2013-08-24 at 00:20 +0200, joerg Reisenweber wrote:
Can't you finally come up with some *suggestions* or - even
better - real actions that would help?
At present the community is beholden to a particular company which
produces something the community depends on. That company has a
On Sat 24 August 2013 02:04:45 Adam Bogacki wrote:
I would like to add my vote to the proposal of a totally new non-smart
phone.
[...]
I think there is increasing demand for a secure non-smart phone.
There IS NO secure phone! See any of the dozen other mails in this very thread
about that
On Sat 24 August 2013 02:10:55 Bob Ham wrote:
On Sat, 2013-08-24 at 00:20 +0200, joerg Reisenweber wrote:
Can't you finally come up with some *suggestions* or - even
better - real actions that would help?
At present the community is beholden to a particular company which
produces
Adam Bogacki adam.boga...@clear.net.nz wrote:
I have not been able to find working links to freecalypso-sw anywhere.
Not able to find *working* links? So the link I had posted earlier in
this thread:
ftp://ftp.ifctf.org/pub/GSM/FreeCalypso/snapshots/freecalypso-sw-SE52Fru5.tar.bz2
is not
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.. the ftp*bz2 link works and I have unpacked it.
Now that I have dir 'freecalypso-sw-SE52Fru5' I am not quite sure what
to do.
Is there some documentation available, or a man page ?
Searching by 'calypso' or 'freecalypso' did not show anything
Adam Bogacki adam.boga...@clear.net.nz wrote:
Now that I have dir 'freecalypso-sw-SE52Fru5' I am not quite sure what
to do.
Is there some documentation available, or a man page ?
No documentation has been written yet, because there is nothing to
document yet: all that's there is a FreeNucleus
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