Re: What's going on (3)

2009-11-17 Thread Aditya Gandhi
Kudos to all you guys thanks waiting eagerly!!!

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 11:58 PM, fredrik normann <
fredrik.normann.j...@gmail.com> wrote:

> +1
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 5:36 PM, Niall Haslam  wrote:
>
>>
>> On 17 Nov 2009, at 13:06, Adam Jimerson wrote:
>> > Agreed it has been really long, but I can say once the image is
>> > built and boots it will be worth the wait.  Thanks again for the
>> > update on what is going on in development!
>>
>> Yeah - I just like to echo the comments of thanks for all the hard
>> work as well as keeping us mere mortals updated.
>>
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Re: Hi ho do I record my display into a file or over usb...

2009-11-17 Thread Aditya Gandhi
Any idea guys please help here

On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 3:00 AM, Aditya Gandhi  wrote:

> Hi guys can I record my lcd data as show in this video :
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2S2rQUETwc
>
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Re: QtMoko v15

2009-12-13 Thread Aditya Gandhi
thanks a lot for the image!!!
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Re: QtMoko v12

2009-12-17 Thread Aditya Gandhi
Hi I have songs in the sd card located inside /musiz in directories
I cannot play see these files using media player in qtmoko v15, does anybody
else have the same problem, where as I can browse them using file manager
etc...
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Re: [NEW DISTRIBUTION] Announcing NEOPhysis

2010-03-08 Thread Aditya Gandhi
Yes please some screenshots

On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Risto H. Kurppa  wrote:

> 34sec bootup time sound's incredible compared to all other distros, WELL
> DONE!!
>
> Are there any screenshots available?
>
>
> Thanks!
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Re: [NEW DISTRIBUTION] Announcing NEOPhysis

2010-03-09 Thread Aditya Gandhi
Why don't we really combine all efforts instead of making a huge and heavy
fso which is indeed short of a good phone into something more specific and
quicker.
We are trying to make a desktop out of a phone, we should well concentrate
on speed and reliability of operations we do. I don't think I would like to
use a phone which takes 5 min to boot up, 3 min to start an app and crashes
very frequently. I would love to start from scratch and clean up all the
mess. I don't think these guys have anything against fso but I'm sure they
felt the same as many other Freerunner users.
I don't mean to ridicule your efforts on fso all I want to say is it can be
quicker and better if you don't plan on supporting everything possible
(qt,gtk,enlightenment) & even if you do not everything all together ,
different flavors of fso might help better.
I really wish fso reaches its goal but still while giving usable images as
it goes.
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QtMoko development guide link

2010-04-16 Thread Aditya Gandhi
Hi guys,

I wish to start developing apps for qtmoko, is there a link or steps to what
I need to install and how to start.

Here is what I think,

On Ubuntu/Kubuntu
I need to install QTCreator for linux
I need to install some toolchain to crosscompile
Some packaging stuff fot debian

Please tell me what toolchain?

Thanks
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Re: QtMoko development guide link

2010-04-16 Thread Aditya Gandhi
Hi Thanks for the quick reply,

I plan to develope joystick app for moko, using accelerator and Touch screen
make a joypad for pc based on wifi/bluetooth

Oh I forgot to ask what ide can I use, I mean obviously not the QT provided
by nokia,
which one would I need?

On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 6:17 PM, Risto H. Kurppa  wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Aditya Gandhi 
> wrote:
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > I wish to start developing apps for qtmoko, is there a link or steps to
> what
> > I need to install and how to start.
>
> Great!!
>
> I think you could start with
> http://qtmoko.org/wiki/GITs
> and
> http://github.com/radekp/qtmoko/blob/master/README
>
> And ask here for more help, if you need.
>
> What's in your plans?
>
> Good luck!
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Re: QtMoko development guide link

2010-04-16 Thread Aditya Gandhi
Thanks a lot man,will try soon

On 4/16/10, Radek Polak  wrote:
> On Friday 16 April 2010 15:12:06 Aditya Gandhi wrote:
>
>> Oh I forgot to ask what ide can I use, I mean obviously not the QT
>> provided
>> by nokia,
>> which one would I need?
>
> I use QtCreator from Nokia. First i develop the application on PC and then
> just port it to qtmoko.
>
> You can use for example src/applications/3rdparty/qmplayer as template.
>
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Re: QtMoko development guide link

2010-04-19 Thread Aditya Gandhi
Hi do I need to download
Qt for Open Source C++ development on Embedded Linux for building apps on
qtmoko?

On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Aditya Gandhi  wrote:

> Thanks a lot man,will try soon
>
> On 4/16/10, Radek Polak  wrote:
> > On Friday 16 April 2010 15:12:06 Aditya Gandhi wrote:
> >
> >> Oh I forgot to ask what ide can I use, I mean obviously not the QT
> >> provided
> >> by nokia,
> >> which one would I need?
> >
> > I use QtCreator from Nokia. First i develop the application on PC and
> then
> > just port it to qtmoko.
> >
> > You can use for example src/applications/3rdparty/qmplayer as template.
> >
> > Regards
> >
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Re: QtMoko development guide link

2010-04-19 Thread Aditya Gandhi
Thanks A lot mate

On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 2:55 PM, Radek Polak  wrote:

> On Monday 19 April 2010 09:49:20 Aditya Gandhi wrote:
>
> > Hi do I need to download
> > Qt for Open Source C++ development on Embedded Linux for building apps on
> > qtmoko?
>
> I just wrote mail about developing apps, it should help:
>
> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2010-April/061448.html
>
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Re: QtMoko - application development

2010-04-20 Thread Aditya Gandhi
Hi I tried to compile using the instructions you gave, but I get a compiled
binary called, test_link??
I cannot run it what is it exactly?

On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 2:52 PM, Radek Polak  wrote:

> Hi,
> here is my guide to developing application for QtMoko. It describes how i
> do
> it myself, you can be of course comfortable doing it differently.
>
> If i write new application for QtMoko - i do it in two steps.
>
> 1/ develop it first on PC in QtCreator. It runs as normal Qt/X11. During
> this
> step you'll have code completion and integrated debugger.
>
> 2/ port it to QtMoko
>
> Prerequisities
>
>* download and install QT SDK from nokia (
> http://qt.nokia.com/downloads)
>and choose "Qt SDK for Linux/X11" - choice of 32bit or 64bit is on
> you.
>
>* download and build QtMoko from sources. Howto is here:
>
>http://github.com/radekp/qtmoko/blob/master/README
>
> Step 1 - develop on PC
>
>* you can start new QT application, or open existing one from QtMoko
> git. Good example is QMplayer in src/3rdparty/application/qmplayer. You
> can open the project file from QtCreator and it should work when you
> compile
> and launch it.
>
> Step 2 - port to QtMoko
>
>* you have your app running on PC. Now you need to write project
> file for
> qtmoko. It's called qbuild.pro QMplayer is also good example.
>
>* build ARM binary for QtMoko. In your app directory do:
>
> /home/radek/qte/build/bin/qbuild
>
>* now you have binary for qtmoko copy it to neo:
>
> scp /home/radek/qte/build/src/3rdparty/applications/qmplayer/qmplayer
> r...@192.168.0.202:/
>
>* test it
>
> ssh r...@192.168.0.202
> source /opt/qtmoko/qpe.env
> cd /
> ./qmplayer
>
>* congratulations if you got here
>
>* for making qtmoko package
>
> /home/radek/qte/build/bin/qbuild packages
>
>* for making online download repository you need packages.list file.
> Go
> to the dir with *.qpk of your app and do:
>
> /home/radek/qte/qtmoko/bin/mkPackages
>
> Some useful notes
>
>* if your package does not have qtmoko look and feel, place it in
> sub
> folder of qtmoko git - e.g. qtmoko apps directory is best place.
>
>* for qtopia api see really great html documentation in
> doc/html/index.hml
>
>* dont use quicklaunch in qbuild.pro if you want to produces
> application
> binary. Otherwise compiling produces just .so.
>
>
> Maybe it could be nice If someone wants to put this info on wiki.
>
> Regards
>
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Re: QtMoko - application development

2010-04-20 Thread Aditya Gandhi
this is the command I used to build qmokoplayer:

adi...@aditya-desktop ~/mysources/qtmoko/src/3rdparty/applications/qmplayer
$ /home/aditya/mysources/build/bin/qbuild,
I get a binary file called link_test in the folder
/home/aditya/mysources/build/src/3rdparty/applications/qmplayer
I upload this file to qtmoko, but nothing happens plz help

On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 4:01 AM, Aditya Gandhi  wrote:

> Hi I tried to compile using the instructions you gave, but I get a compiled
> binary called, test_link??
> I cannot run it what is it exactly?
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 2:52 PM, Radek Polak  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> here is my guide to developing application for QtMoko. It describes how i
>> do
>> it myself, you can be of course comfortable doing it differently.
>>
>> If i write new application for QtMoko - i do it in two steps.
>>
>> 1/ develop it first on PC in QtCreator. It runs as normal Qt/X11. During
>> this
>> step you'll have code completion and integrated debugger.
>>
>> 2/ port it to QtMoko
>>
>> Prerequisities
>>
>>* download and install QT SDK from nokia (
>> http://qt.nokia.com/downloads)
>>and choose "Qt SDK for Linux/X11" - choice of 32bit or 64bit is on
>> you.
>>
>>* download and build QtMoko from sources. Howto is here:
>>
>>http://github.com/radekp/qtmoko/blob/master/README
>>
>> Step 1 - develop on PC
>>
>>* you can start new QT application, or open existing one from
>> QtMoko
>> git. Good example is QMplayer in src/3rdparty/application/qmplayer. You
>> can open the project file from QtCreator and it should work when you
>> compile
>> and launch it.
>>
>> Step 2 - port to QtMoko
>>
>>* you have your app running on PC. Now you need to write project
>> file for
>> qtmoko. It's called qbuild.pro QMplayer is also good example.
>>
>>* build ARM binary for QtMoko. In your app directory do:
>>
>> /home/radek/qte/build/bin/qbuild
>>
>>* now you have binary for qtmoko copy it to neo:
>>
>> scp /home/radek/qte/build/src/3rdparty/applications/qmplayer/qmplayer
>> r...@192.168.0.202:/
>>
>>* test it
>>
>> ssh r...@192.168.0.202
>> source /opt/qtmoko/qpe.env
>> cd /
>> ./qmplayer
>>
>>* congratulations if you got here
>>
>>* for making qtmoko package
>>
>> /home/radek/qte/build/bin/qbuild packages
>>
>>* for making online download repository you need packages.list
>> file. Go
>> to the dir with *.qpk of your app and do:
>>
>> /home/radek/qte/qtmoko/bin/mkPackages
>>
>> Some useful notes
>>
>>* if your package does not have qtmoko look and feel, place it in
>> sub
>> folder of qtmoko git - e.g. qtmoko apps directory is best place.
>>
>>* for qtopia api see really great html documentation in
>> doc/html/index.hml
>>
>>* dont use quicklaunch in qbuild.pro if you want to produces
>> application
>> binary. Otherwise compiling produces just .so.
>>
>>
>> Maybe it could be nice If someone wants to put this info on wiki.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Radek
>>
>>
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Re: QtMoko v24

2010-06-08 Thread Aditya Gandhi
Hi ,

I want to request some features for the next version. Related to IM,
contacts management
First selection and deletion of multiple contacts / send multiple contacts
etc.
next is
Integration of google contacts in contacts, selectable contacts sync from
google

Hope to see it in some release
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Re: QtMoko v24

2010-06-10 Thread Aditya Gandhi
I have a problem connecting to gprs with airtel india!! Anyone else facing
the same problem??
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[QTmoko] v35 usb host keyboard

2011-08-30 Thread Aditya Gandhi
Hi I am using a keyboard with usb host mode, but when I type it start
like a overlaying terminal on already present screen... It does not
use it as an alternative input method to onscreen keyboard! What
should I do in this case!

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[QtMoko] v35 usb host keyboard

2011-08-30 Thread Aditya Gandhi
Hi I am using a keyboard with usb host mode, but when I type it start
like a overlaying terminal on already present screen... It does not
use it as an alternative input method to onscreen keyboard! What
should I do in this case!

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Re: openmoko neo --- Debian install from scratch now works

2011-09-19 Thread Aditya Gandhi
I did this but I only have the thin bar on top of freerunner, how do I start
zphone after this?

On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 4:56 AM, Timo Jyrinki wrote:

> 2011/8/17 Timo Juhani Lindfors :
> > Timo Jyrinki  writes:
> >> 6. Get a bit more software manually: apt-get install foxtrotgps gpsd
> >> navit midori wicd lxterminal xorg zhone/experimental
> >> python-ecore/experimental python-edje/experimental
> >> python-evas/experimental zhone-illume-glue/experimental
> >
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>
> And most of all, I forgot: omhacks. The essential tool.
>
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Re: openmoko neo --- Debian install from scratch now works

2011-09-19 Thread Aditya Gandhi
I mean a gui, sorry but I am just an end-user

On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 7:42 PM, Aditya Gandhi  wrote:

> I did this but I only have the thin bar on top of freerunner, how do I
> start zphone after this?
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 4:56 AM, Timo Jyrinki wrote:
>
>> 2011/8/17 Timo Juhani Lindfors :
>> > Timo Jyrinki  writes:
>> >> 6. Get a bit more software manually: apt-get install foxtrotgps gpsd
>> >> navit midori wicd lxterminal xorg zhone/experimental
>> >> python-ecore/experimental python-edje/experimental
>> >> python-evas/experimental zhone-illume-glue/experimental
>> >
>> > Mandatory advertisement: Add monav to the list :-)
>>
>> And most of all, I forgot: omhacks. The essential tool.
>>
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Re: [Debian] Preinstalled minimal image available for Neo FreeRunner

2011-09-19 Thread Aditya Gandhi
Hi I have installed your image and have given the commands via ssh
 *apt-get install foxtrotgps gpsd navit omhacks monav midori wicd lxterminal
*
*but no gui is up, how do I get it working? I do not have a sim, do I need
it?
*
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 7:13 AM, Timo Jyrinki wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Just to let you know, that since I tested that install.sh [1] is
> working now, I'm making available a snapshot of a minimal Debian
> installation since I had a clean install anyway [2] - see file
> "Debian_NeoFreeRunner_minimalrootfs_20110912.tar.xz". The only
> additional thing that was done was apt-get install xorg omhacks before
> I added those as being done by install.sh automatically.
>
> [1] http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner
> [2] http://people.debian.org/~timo/NeoFreeRunner/
>
> It expects a single partition on the MicroSD card where the tar.xz is
> unpacked and a Qi bootlader.
>
> It is very much not functional as a phone out-of-the-box, because of
> the ongoing FSO1->FSO2 transition. X however starts automatically and
> SSH answers, and you may work your way from there, see [1] or even [3]
> (although it doesn't contain information on how to enable FSO2 at this
> moment when not everything new is yet in). When FSO2 is eventually in,
> together with some UI that can use it, let's improve install.sh again
> and maybe make a snapshot of a phone-working Debian unstable. I'm lazy
> enough not to try to replicate from clean state what I've running on
> my daily FreeRunner at the moment - it'd mean using install.sh but
> with stable repositories instead of unstable to have FSO1 and phone
> functionality, and then tweaking until all my little details work.
> It's anyhow going to be a thing of the past with FSO2 and new UI
> versions.
>
> [3] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:TimoJyrinki
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Hi, I want to emulate android, OM2008.x, etc on qemu configured for gta02

2009-09-14 Thread Aditya Gandhi
HI, can u help me with this I have done
make qemu on ubuntu according to wiki on openmoko site, but can any1
help me proceed futher
to flash an image and change emulation to gta02

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Where do I discuss these Ideas??

2009-10-09 Thread Aditya Gandhi
Ideas of various applications that be made for neofreerunner.

First a little bit about me, so you don't start abusing me

I'm a newbie to linux and an electronics engineer not a programmer, though
have worked on non-os embedded systems.
*Mini Joystick*

1) I wish to make a small portable mini joystick for the phone, and a stand
so it can be used as a gaming device. (Play mario and contra) Port SDL and
the games along with it.

*Rockbox*

2) Port Rockbox a an application/seperate boot os (like hp quickplay)

*Bluetooth console*

3) Use Bluetooth on the device, connect it to the PC via a serial port and
use it as the console.

*Vanilla OS*

4) Install a custom linux with bare minimum things to boot up, answer calls
and msgs, keep it as an alternative battery saving os! (Vanilla Os). maybe
even no GUI.

*USB to TV
*
5) This one is a little to far fetched an Idea but maybe it is possible.
Make a program to stream decoded video to usb , and a external small
portable usb device to convert it to rf or component video to be seen over
tv clearly.

*Accelerometer based Joystick*

6) Make a software which reads the accelerometer's and sends the data to the
pc, maybe map 4-5 keys on the screen. Use a standard joystick HID!!


* Eyes for Robot*

7) Use a webcam and a base robot , to guide through obstacles. (just for
fun)

*Serial port / Programmer
*
8) Use it to program via serial port AVR , pic and other 8 bit
micro-controllers. Also use it as serial terminal port through Ft2322 for
micro-controllers .

*JTAG
*
9) Use usb port through ft2322 for JTAG debugging on other arm/embedded
boards.

*Wishlist
*
*PSP

*1) Make a software which uses wifi to connect to the PS3 and emulate a psp.
(Maybe it is already there)
Car Computer

2) Monitor car computer via openmoko, tweak it.

*Assembly OS
*
3) Write the fastest OS using assembly, let the executable size be 5 Mb with
all apps!! (This one is Stupid I know, but just sometimes you have a hitch
maybe this is the fastest)

*Assembly Vanilla Os
*
4) Maybe my previous point can be used for making the low power os
(vanilla)!!!

*Phone to Phone USB
*
5) Freerunner to Freerunner direct connectivity through USB. (Applications
are limit less) Phone to phone charging, file sharing, co-processing,
Application interface, Gaming, etc. While saving a lot of Power, other than
charging of course!!

*Emulate Symbian OS 9.3
*
6) Emulate Symbian Os so we can use all their apps!! I know it would be Evil
but why not?? I really like some of their apps
Silicon Cell Body

7) Replace external plastic case with silicon cell for solar energy
harnessing!!
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Re: Where do I discuss these Ideas??

2009-10-09 Thread Aditya Gandhi
Thanks a lot Nicolas already put them on my user page, please let me know if
anymore changes are required!!
here's the link to my page:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User_talk:Aditya_g8


On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Nicolas Pichon wrote:

> Aditya Gandhi a écrit :
> > Ideas of various applications that be made for neofreerunner.
> >
> > First a little bit about me, so you don't start abusing me
> >
> > I'm a newbie to linux and an electronics engineer not a programmer,
> > though have worked on non-os embedded systems.
>
> Great ideas ! Before this mail gets forgotten in the darkness of this
> list' archive, you should write down all you ideas in a wki page. It
> would also be easier to dig them if somebody decide to implement one of
> them.
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Re: Where do I discuss these Ideas??

2009-10-09 Thread Aditya Gandhi
Risto thanks for the compliment, will try these Ideas as soon as I get my
device, just collecting the money. Almost there
Will get it Soon and hope I can impliment most of them..
Again thanks a lot for the response.

On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 7:08 PM, Aditya Gandhi  wrote:

> Thanks a lot Nicolas already put them on my user page, please let me know
> if anymore changes are required!!
> here's the link to my page:
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User_talk:Aditya_g8
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Nicolas Pichon 
> wrote:
>
>> Aditya Gandhi a écrit :
>> > Ideas of various applications that be made for neofreerunner.
>> >
>> > First a little bit about me, so you don't start abusing me
>> >
>> > I'm a newbie to linux and an electronics engineer not a programmer,
>> > though have worked on non-os embedded systems.
>>
>> Great ideas ! Before this mail gets forgotten in the darkness of this
>> list' archive, you should write down all you ideas in a wki page. It
>> would also be easier to dig them if somebody decide to implement one of
>> them.
>>
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Re: Where do I discuss these Ideas??

2009-10-09 Thread Aditya Gandhi
Hi rhn,
I'm trying something a little bit different, I plan to make it autonomous,
with neo controlling it while sitting on it.
Eg:. Using gps and a usb cam deliver tea for me from one room to other in a
big appartment
Something of that sort... Anyways any help needed in your project please do
ask, will try and  help you

On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 8:00 PM, rhn wrote:

> Aditya Gandhi wrote:
>
> > * Eyes for Robot*
> >
> > 7) Use a webcam and a base robot , to guide through obstacles. (just for
> > fun)
>
> I'm starting a project doing just about that - using a Freerunner to
> control a robot via Bluetooth.
> As I'm a programmer and not a hardware guy, the robot of choice is the Lego
> NXT.
> Currently, I'm working on communication between those two parts.
> Will start posting when I have some results!
>
> Cheers
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Re: Where do I discuss these Ideas??

2009-10-09 Thread Aditya Gandhi
Hi Rhn,
Oh nice, see as far as openmoko is concerned you dont have to do much.
I will soon be making a board on which I will have USB connection to the
open moko,
A web cam , sensors and a motor driver. The hardware is fairly simple, I'll
explain why
Its a usb hub with external power (3.3 1200MAh Lithium Ion with convertor to
5V)
A web cam, a simple atmega microcontroller with the usb code for sensors and
motor control.

So you just have to detect the camera use it in a program and the atmega as
a simple HID device and control the motor.

I will upload the firmware & the board designs once I'm done, so everyone
can use it.
Once we have the basic system running we can have extendded abilities, like
bluetooth connectivity, wi-fi etc. Applications are far more than we can
think of nowBut thats at a later stage.

And as far as computing power of neo is concerned I really plan to make a
stripped out version of the kernel, maybe even without a gui to run my apps,
I believe a 400Mhz processor is enough for the purpose. Lets se as I
calculate how do I plan to do my Image processing and How much ram and
processor speed is needed.

 So here is what we can do before we try it on Freerunner, Make a virtual
pc, slow it down a lot , maybe a arm emulator only. Run linux kernel, and
try our hardware at 200 Mhz, 300 Mhz and optimise the code. Then compile it
for the neo.
Just a brief overview.

Now I want people to correct me here, If there is a better way to impliment
this.


>Hi Aditya
> >
>
>Actually, that's even closer to what I'm going to do. The main part of the
> project is >discovering ways to detect objects autonomously, with the FR
> riding the vehicle. I'd use GPS >if I had a bigger robot, but I'm afraid
> that's not an option :)
> >I have little experience in handling camera input, too, and I'm not
> concerned about >Freerunner's computing power.
> >Thanks for your offer. I'd be happy if I could share my new experiences,
> too.
>
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Re: Where do I discuss these Ideas??

2009-10-09 Thread Aditya Gandhi
I love the idea. Its amazing, but I'm more of a simple c programmer, need to
learn c++ and python. Have started it, but my job spares me just one day a
week so
Anyways I'll try and putin more Idea's and more than that Implement a
few
Thanks a lot guys for all the response, really a moral booster.

On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 9:15 PM, Pieter Colpaert  wrote:

> Hi!
>
> I like your ideas too and I'd like to share my possible future project
> too ;):
>
> BASH-LIKE PHONE
> 
>
> An openmoko distribution which uses FSO. The interface is just a shell
> with on top of it a transparent keyboard (something like the
> fatfingershell).
> You can dail like this:
>piet...@myphone$ dail +3248.. 
> or a contact:
>piet...@myphone$ dail hom  # = pieterc phone home
>
> dail should be a python/bash/... script using the FSO api.
> other easy to use commands I can think of:
> * addcontact contact #number# -group "friends"
> * whereami (returns gsm locations and searches for cityname close to
> that)
> * sendtext "come home for dinner" son1 # sends sms to son1 (again with
> autocompletion)
> * wakemeup 7:30
> * tail /var/mail #to read last text-messages
>
> bash-commands or commands you're used to:
> ls,cd,grep,awk,tail, ps, date, ...
>
> and some ported apps:
> * nethack (yes, the game)
> * links/lynx,
> * emacs (with erc)
> * fortune (I like fortune a lot.)
> * ...
>
> I think it's extremely easy and fun to develop this idea. It would make
> a perfect unix-lover-phone. We could hack on gnu bash to accomplish the
> auto completion for contacts and other stuff.
>
> Pieter
>
> On Fri, 2009-10-09 at 15:27 +0300, Risto H. Kurppa wrote:
> > Awesome ideas! I guess this is the place to discuss these. I've also
> > got some ideas, small changes to improve the usability etc. Some stuff
> > that's distro-dependent, some other stuff.
> >
> > Keep your ideas coming, pick one and show us how it works. It'll
> > encourage the community, to me it looks like the -community list is
> > slowing down, discussing mostly qtmoko-stuff..  So I warmly welcome
> > all creative and crazy ideas!
> >
> >
> > r
> >
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Re: Where do I discuss these Ideas??

2009-10-09 Thread Aditya Gandhi
Just one more Idea, wanna know if already implimented or has a better
alternative, A full qwerty keyborad in landscape mode.

Here we could use it for sms maybe, similar to fatfingershell, use its
keyboard behind a normal sms screen in the background and type the msg with
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Re: Performance of the accelerometer on FR

2009-10-09 Thread Aditya Gandhi
Hi ranjan, I would like to have a look at your source code and try to figure
out what needs to be done to Increase the performance. Can you tell me where
can I look for the code, or can you mail me the code.
What software have you used on the PC to make a graph??


On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 7:04 PM, RANJAN  wrote:

>
>
>
>> >Freerunner uses the LIS302DL accelerometers from ST [1]. They can be
>> >switched between +-2g and +-8g range and have a resolution of 8 bit per
>> >axis. The sample rate can be selected between 100Hz and 400Hz. And they
>> >inherit some nice functions like double click detection and zero-g
>> >filtering.
>>
> So can the selectivity be changed on the FR?And can the sample rate be
> changed as well?Even if one is able to change the sample rate can one read
> the values at the same frequency?
>
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Re: Performance of the accelerometer on FR

2009-10-09 Thread Aditya Gandhi
Thanks ... will check it out for sure

On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 10:35 AM, RANJAN  wrote:

>
>
>
> Hi ranjan, I would like to have a look at your source code and try to
>> figure out what needs to be done to Increase the performance. Can you tell
>> me where can I look for the code, or can you mail me the code.
>> What software have you used on the PC to make a graph??
>>
>> Use OpenGl with some commands to read the serial port data. (see MSDN
> documentation if on windows).See wiki for accelerometer code.
>
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Re: [SHR-U] Keyboard layouts for extremely fat fingers

2009-10-10 Thread Aditya Gandhi
I loved it

On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Michael Smith  wrote:

> On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 21:22:31 +1300
> Robin Paulson  wrote:
>
> > 2009/10/10 Michael Smith :
> > > I have created two keyboard layouts for the illume keyboard. They are
> available from this repository:
> > >
> > >
> http://glitch.tl/cgi-bin/hgwebdir.cgi/home/host/glitch.tl/repos/openmoko-keyboards/file/tip
> > >
> > > The layouts each have keys as large as I can make them. I found the
> existing layouts to be of little use without a stylus.
> > >
> >
> > could you post some screenshots?
>
> Yes.
>
> http://glitch.tl/cgi-bin/hgwebdir.cgi/home/host/glitch.tl/repos/openmoko-keyboards/raw-file/b9c36e67f27f/alpha.png
>
>
> http://glitch.tl/cgi-bin/hgwebdir.cgi/home/host/glitch.tl/repos/openmoko-keyboards/raw-file/b9c36e67f27f/numeric.png
>
> (memo to self. After exporting display to moko to run xwd don't just start
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Re: [SHR-U] Keyboard layouts for extremely fat fingers

2009-10-10 Thread Aditya Gandhi
Can we edit it to make it qwerty??
Wouldn't that difficult!!

On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Adolph J. Vogel  wrote:

>
> > > could you post some screenshots?
> >
> > Yes.
> >
> http://glitch.tl/cgi-bin/hgwebdir.cgi/home/host/glitch.tl/repos/openmoko-ke
> >yboards/raw-file/b9c36e67f27f/alpha.png
> >
> >
> http://glitch.tl/cgi-bin/hgwebdir.cgi/home/host/glitch.tl/repos/openmoko-ke
> >yboards/raw-file/b9c36e67f27f/numeric.png
> >
>
> >Nooo!, where is the qwerty? :D
>
> >on a more serious note, the qwerty layout is sufficiently imprinted in my
> >mussle memory that any other layout is a deal breaker. (The same goes for
> >navit)
>
> >Adolph
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Re: Where do I discuss these Ideas??

2009-10-10 Thread Aditya Gandhi
Ordered atmega128 & at80usb32 samples from atmel for the usb joystick, and
the robot.
Have already planned to buy a webcam and make it work with linux and start
with basic image processing

On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 1:21 AM, Aditya Gandhi  wrote:

> Just one more Idea, wanna know if already implimented or has a better
> alternative, A full qwerty keyborad in landscape mode.
>
> Here we could use it for sms maybe, similar to fatfingershell, use its
> keyboard behind a normal sms screen in the background and type the msg with
> hands while loving to do so
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Re: new Android Cupcake release for Freerunner

2009-10-10 Thread Aditya Gandhi
That is so sad to hear google android without maps, gmail, etc... is there
anyway to get those binaries and have them run on freerunner??

On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 5:05 PM, Chris Samuel  wrote:

> On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 06:14:32 am Warren Baird wrote:
>
> > Is there a summary somewhere around what works and what doesn't, and how
> > close it is to being usable as an 'every day' phone?
>
> I'm using Michael "Panicking" Trimarchi's v15 image as an everyday phone
> and
> it works nicely.
>
> I've got working GSM (no echo), SMS, Wifi & GPS and I can easily set Ogg
> files
> as my ringtone through the Android "Music" application (tested with Ziggy
> Stardust by Bauhaus :-) ).  Bluetooth can see other BT devices but I've
> never
> tried to use it.
>
> Be aware that some of the Android applications you might expect to find if
> you've seen a G1 (Android Market, Maps, Google Talk, Voice, GMail, etc)
> won't
> be there as they're not open source and you're not permitted to
> redistribute
> them (as the Cyanogenmod maintainer has just discovered the hard way when
> Google asked him to stop distributing his alternative firmware for the G1
> with
> those apps in).
>
> cheers!
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Re: Open Moko free runner as GPS tracking device for automobiles and Vibration test rig

2009-10-11 Thread Aditya Gandhi
Awesome dude... I'm inspired !!

On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 12:00 AM, RANJAN  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Check out the attempt of I and my team of friends:
>
> GPS tracking using FR on a CAR:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtS_pU9kyp8&feature=channel
>
> Vibration measurement and Analysis:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5fUorY2ekM&feature=channel
>
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Multiple Distro's..

2009-10-24 Thread Aditya Gandhi
Hi guys, I'm expecting my Free Runner in a day or two
I wish to know as to how many distributions can I Run side by side ,
And which is the most preffered for starting developement.
Is there a guide to multiple OS on freerunner? I plan to use a 8gb/16gb
memory card for this purpose.
Any tips or tricks to enhance my experience of the phone?? Eg:- an external
small GSM antenna to enhance reception etc.
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Re: Multiple Distro's..

2009-10-25 Thread Aditya Gandhi
Thanks a lot to all of you for the help Will reply as soon as I start
playing around with my freerunner 
Still waiting for it


On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Torfinn Ingolfsen  wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Marc Bantle  wrote:
>
>> Various efforts have been made to supply a
>> bootmenu for qi (e.g. by using kexec).
>> I don't know whether they where successful.
>>
>
> A few proof-of-concept have beene shown, but so far nobody have shown a
> complete solution or a step-by-step guide.
> So us "mere users" doesn't have a working bootmenu with Qi yet.
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Re: Where do I discuss these Ideas??

2009-10-26 Thread Aditya Gandhi
Hi guiys I'm back,
I have made a Board with  which connects to my pc via a USB which wirelessly
controls a robot (Simple left ,right ,forward and reverse using tank
mechanism for turning no steering for my robot) It uses a firmware to
emulate a true usb device and the computer detects it as a custom usb class
device for which only libusb is needed to work.
Actually the whole Idea is not mine, took a circuit and firmware available
and made it wireless.
It also has a qt front-end on the pc to control the robot.


The Board is based on ATmega8 , ht12e/ht12d (encoder Decoder), L298 motor
driver and a 434 MHz ASK RFmodule.
The BOM is under 17$ approx.
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Re: Where do I discuss these Ideas??

2009-10-26 Thread Aditya Gandhi
As of now moko doesn't play anyrole in it...
But I have made a hardware which I wish to connect to make
and develop further
I wish to attach sensors to FR maybe a webcam along with my robot controller
, and first task is to just avoid obstacles .

One more Idea I wish to implement is to get data from the accelerometers of
the FR and guess the movement of a person and the robot to follow it.

The link to the pics is:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/29046...@n03/sets/72157622544758011/

On the robot there are two board one which is the L298 board to control the
motor, it is a simple board with l298, 16 diodes, one 5v regulator and
capacitors.
The other board is the 434Mhz receiver along with ht12d decoder, it controls
the input to the robot, basically there is brain required here, a simple
circuit with no microcontroller.

The board which is on the ground is the board with atmega8, and a rf
transmitter of ask type 434 Mhz. with a ht12e encoder to encode the data
from pins.
Which again is fairly simple. It uses libusb to connect to application on
any platform (unix, linux, windows etc.)
basic design from http://andreas.goelzer.de/usbmot

Now that I'm done with this I'll start working with freerunner when I get
the device tomorrow hopefully, the courier guys suck in india.


On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 12:45 AM, Matthias Huber <
matthias.hu...@wollishausen.de> wrote:

> Aditya Gandhi schrieb:
> > Hi guiys I'm back,
> > I have made a Board with  which connects to my pc via a USB which
> > wirelessly controls a robot (Simple left ,right ,forward and reverse
> > using tank mechanism for turning no steering for my robot) It uses a
> > firmware to emulate a true usb device and the computer detects it as a
> > custom usb class device for which only libusb is needed to work.
> > Actually the whole Idea is not mine, took a circuit and firmware
> > available and made it wireless.
> > It also has a qt front-end on the pc to control the robot.
> >
> >
> > The Board is based on ATmega8 , ht12e/ht12d (encoder Decoder), L298
> > motor driver and a 434 MHz ASK RFmodule.
> > The BOM is under 17$ approx.
> Can you show some fotos ?
>
> What role does moko play in it ?
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Re: Where do I discuss these Ideas??

2009-10-26 Thread Aditya Gandhi
http://www.flickr.com/photos/29046...@n03/sets/72157622544758011/show/

On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 1:56 AM, Aditya Gandhi  wrote:

> As of now moko doesn't play anyrole in it...
> But I have made a hardware which I wish to connect to make
> and develop further
> I wish to attach sensors to FR maybe a webcam along with my robot
> controller , and first task is to just avoid obstacles .
>
> One more Idea I wish to implement is to get data from the accelerometers of
> the FR and guess the movement of a person and the robot to follow it.
>
> The link to the pics is:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/29046...@n03/sets/72157622544758011/
>
> On the robot there are two board one which is the L298 board to control the
> motor, it is a simple board with l298, 16 diodes, one 5v regulator and
> capacitors.
> The other board is the 434Mhz receiver along with ht12d decoder, it
> controls the input to the robot, basically there is brain required here, a
> simple circuit with no microcontroller.
>
> The board which is on the ground is the board with atmega8, and a rf
> transmitter of ask type 434 Mhz. with a ht12e encoder to encode the data
> from pins.
> Which again is fairly simple. It uses libusb to connect to application on
> any platform (unix, linux, windows etc.)
> basic design from http://andreas.goelzer.de/usbmot
>
> Now that I'm done with this I'll start working with freerunner when I get
> the device tomorrow hopefully, the courier guys suck in india.
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 12:45 AM, Matthias Huber <
> matthias.hu...@wollishausen.de> wrote:
>
>> Aditya Gandhi schrieb:
>> > Hi guiys I'm back,
>> > I have made a Board with  which connects to my pc via a USB which
>> > wirelessly controls a robot (Simple left ,right ,forward and reverse
>> > using tank mechanism for turning no steering for my robot) It uses a
>> > firmware to emulate a true usb device and the computer detects it as a
>> > custom usb class device for which only libusb is needed to work.
>> > Actually the whole Idea is not mine, took a circuit and firmware
>> > available and made it wireless.
>> > It also has a qt front-end on the pc to control the robot.
>> >
>> >
>> > The Board is based on ATmega8 , ht12e/ht12d (encoder Decoder), L298
>> > motor driver and a 434 MHz ASK RFmodule.
>> > The BOM is under 17$ approx.
>> Can you show some fotos ?
>>
>> What role does moko play in it ?
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can anyone tell their experiences about mer

2009-10-28 Thread Aditya Gandhi
hi there
just curios about mer
can anyone tell their experiences about mer
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SHR-U wifi problem!!

2009-10-30 Thread Aditya Gandhi
I flashed my freerunner with shr-u, did an opkg upgrade
now when i try connecting to wifi it hangs, stops responding...
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Re: SHR-U wifi problem!!

2009-10-30 Thread Aditya Gandhi
i use mokonet to connect

On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 1:00 AM, Aditya Gandhi  wrote:

> I flashed my freerunner with shr-u, did an opkg upgrade
> now when i try connecting to wifi it hangs, stops responding...
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Re: SHR-U wifi problem!!

2009-10-30 Thread Aditya Gandhi
I dont know about encryption problems
And its recursive even after reboot
The aux buttin red led starts blinking after about 5-10 secs

On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 1:35 AM, Matthias Huber <
matthias.hu...@wollishausen.de> wrote:

>  Aditya Gandhi schrieb:
>
> i use mokonet to connect
>
> On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 1:00 AM, Aditya Gandhi wrote:
>
>> I flashed my freerunner with shr-u, did an opkg upgrade
>> now when i try connecting to wifi it hangs, stops responding...
>>
>  strange. is it reproducable (with reboot) ?
>
> i have something in mind with encryption problems of mokonnect (did you
> mean them ?)
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Re: SHR-U wifi problem!!

2009-10-30 Thread Aditya Gandhi
I did a reinstall using usbnet still the same problem

On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 1:46 AM, Aditya Gandhi  wrote:

> I dont know about encryption problems
> And its recursive even after reboot
> The aux buttin red led starts blinking after about 5-10 secs
>
> On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 1:35 AM, Matthias Huber <
> matthias.hu...@wollishausen.de> wrote:
>
>>  Aditya Gandhi schrieb:
>>
>> i use mokonet to connect
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 1:00 AM, Aditya Gandhi wrote:
>>
>>> I flashed my freerunner with shr-u, did an opkg upgrade
>>> now when i try connecting to wifi it hangs, stops responding...
>>>
>>  strange. is it reproducable (with reboot) ?
>>
>> i have something in mind with encryption problems of mokonnect (did you
>> mean them ?)
>>
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Tangogps google maps

2009-10-30 Thread Aditya Gandhi
whats the latest config to get google maps working on tangogps I need help
with it too
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Re: SHR-U wifi problem!!

2009-10-31 Thread Aditya Gandhi
 Thanks I do use wep

On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 9:16 PM, Mario Huelsegge  wrote:

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>
> Aditya Gandhi wrote:
> >
> >
> >> I dont know about encryption problems
> >> And its recursive even after reboot
> >> The aux buttin red led starts blinking after about 5-10 secs
> >>
> >
>
> I got the same problem with mokonnect using wep encryption (blinking aux
> light). After switching to wpa2 mokonnect worked without problems. so it
> seems to be a problem with encryption.
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Re: Tangogps google maps

2009-11-01 Thread Aditya Gandhi
thanks wil try today

On 11/1/09, Michele Brocco  wrote:
> the latest i had was:
> http://mt1.google.com/vt/lyr...@110&hl=en&x=%d&y=%d&z=%d%s=Galile
>
> and set xyz instead of zxy
>
> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 10:18 PM, Aditya Gandhi  wrote:
>> whats the latest config to get google maps working on tangogps I need help
>> with it too
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Debian cannot start wicd

2009-11-02 Thread Aditya Gandhi
Hi I cannot start wicd
when I say wicd in command prompt I get :

File "/usr/share/wicd/wicd-daemon.py", line 44, in 
import gobject
ImportError: No module named gobject


what do I need to install
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Re: Debian cannot start wicd

2009-11-02 Thread Aditya Gandhi
Yes already have it, I think it is because I updated to python2.5

On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 10:48 PM, arne anka  wrote:

> > what do I need to install
>
> python-gobject
> i'd say
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Re: Debian cannot start wicd

2009-11-02 Thread Aditya Gandhi
no wicd isn't running with python2.5
i installed python2.5
i did a dpkg-reconfigure python-gtk2

now i get some syntax error

now i get the error


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> is wicd running with python2.5? what's the shebang?
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Re: Debian cannot start wicd

2009-11-02 Thread Aditya Gandhi
the error is :

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/share/wicd/wicd-daemon.py", line 45, in 
import dbus
  File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.5/dbus/__init__.py", line 73, in 
from dbus._version import version, __version__
  File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.5/dbus/_version.py", line 1
/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.5
^
SyntaxError: invalid syntax


On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 11:50 PM, Aditya Gandhi  wrote:

> no wicd isn't running with python2.5
> i installed python2.5
> i did a dpkg-reconfigure python-gtk2
>
> now i get some syntax error
>
> now i get the error
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 11:43 PM, arne anka  wrote:
>
>> is wicd running with python2.5? what's the shebang?
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Help with alsa states

2009-11-03 Thread Aditya Gandhi
Hi, guys I figured out the setting for my music,
I set the pcm, bass etc levels while using intone with my headsets.
when ever I pause and resume I believe is changes sound states.
So which file does is take to restore , I tried replacing
/usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/stereoout.state , headsetout.state,
gsmspeakerout.state, gsmhandset.state and gsmheadset.state. But it
does not load any of these, I can see it in the alsamixer if any
change has taken place, but I cannot get my settings back.

can anyone guide me where to look for these config files

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Help with google apps for Neo Freerunner

2009-11-03 Thread Aditya Gandhi
Hi guys can I record my lcd data as show in this video :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2S2rQUETwc

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Hi ho do I record my display into a file or over usb...

2009-11-03 Thread Aditya Gandhi
Hi guys can I record my lcd data as show in this video :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2S2rQUETwc


sorry for the last mail, my browser filled in the subject, mybad

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Re: Help with alsa states

2009-11-04 Thread Aditya Gandhi
I'm using shr-u, I also tried the /usr/share/shr/scenarii , but
doesn't help with intone, i guess intone sets the bass and treble

On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Al Johnson
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> On Wednesday 04 November 2009, Aditya Gandhi wrote:
>> Hi, guys I figured out the setting for my music,
>> I set the pcm, bass etc levels while using intone with my headsets.
>> when ever I pause and resume I believe is changes sound states.
>> So which file does is take to restore , I tried replacing
>> /usr/share/openmoko/scenarios/stereoout.state , headsetout.state,
>> gsmspeakerout.state, gsmhandset.state and gsmheadset.state. But it
>> does not load any of these, I can see it in the alsamixer if any
>> change has taken place, but I cannot get my settings back.
>>
>> can anyone guide me where to look for these config files
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Re: This might be illegal!

2009-11-08 Thread Aditya Gandhi
I unserdtand the shortcoming, But I have sucessfully ported gmail,
google maps,pdf reader, quick office, etc apps to my phone.
Also am looking forward to solve the market problem.
I have downloaded the sdk r3, and have put market on it, but now I
cannot figure out where the new downloaded apps are being stored (I
need the exact path) on the emulator, If I figure that out I can put
almost any app on my freerunner 

On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 7:29 PM, GNUtoo  wrote:
> On Sat, 2009-11-07 at 09:29 +0530, Aditya Gandhi wrote:
>> Hi people,
>> Those who really wish to go by the book, don't like to break simple
>> laws please stop here.
>> I don't mean to be rude, but don't want people who usually don't break
>> the law to get lured..
>>
>>
>>
>> Is there anyway in which we can use their emulator, probably hack the
>> g1 emulator and reverse engineer the android market
> Slideme that is a market,has an old apache 2.0 licensed version
> I tried to compile it but needed the 1.1 SDK and my CPU had better
> things to do than compile the 1.1 SDK
> Denis.
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Re: OMGTA03 aka. 3D7K (call for preview)

2009-11-09 Thread Aditya Gandhi
So afterall is said, will there be a gta03 ever?
In the future will the work on 3D7K resume??

On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen
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> On Sunday 08 November 2009 12:57:17 David Lanzendörfer wrote:
>> Hiho.
>> Ive seen, that there is already support for the OM-GTA03 in FSO/SHR.
>> But I don't have any idea how it will look like.
>> Are there some previews? Design sheets? Anything.
>> I'm nearly dieing from curiousity.
>> Plz give me some preview, how it will look like.
>> Will it have a keyboard or just touchscreen like my NeoFreerunner?
>>
>> greatings leviathan
>>
>
>  In addition to what Lars Hennig said, i'd just like to point out that using
> OMG-TA03 would be a better place for the dash... ;)
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