Re: [2008.12] Enlightenment doesn't want to run anymore
My best guess would be that either your config is causing a problem (something along the lines of rm -r ~/.e may fix ... or maybe more xserver specific configs) or something from angstrom was pulled in and not removed or overwritten. If you are getting a segfault then the latter is probably more likely. yea, already tried rm -r ~/.e didn't help, tried md5summing all those enlightenment specific init and theme files and those enlightenment binaries, all is like it was when newly installed, it should be some other package i pulled from angstrom or something In the end, when playing with repositories outside the control of OM, you have to be prepared to reflash or delve deep to clean up the mess, if one occurs. i guess i'll just flash a new image, thanks alot for your time Sarton. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.12] Enlightenment doesn't want to run anymore
no one has any idea what the segfault could be caused from? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.12] Enlightenment doesn't want to run anymore
here's the original mail i installed were pythm , mplayer then i uninstalled them, after a reboot the screen shows starting atd daemon:atd. last thing and nothing after, i tried running /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm start, and looked at log in /tmp/x.log # RUN INIT: /usr/bin/enlightenment_init '/usr/share/enlightenment/data/init/illume_init.edj' '1' '0' 'Enlightenment' '0.16.999.050' # Segmentation fault # ESTART: 1.77762 [0.95707] - test file format support # run-parts: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90xXWindowManager exited with code 1011 # waiting for X server to shut down FreeFontPath: FPE built-ins refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing. this is with illume as default_profile, i change that to ASU and i get the following, i can see the booting screen with the green bar for around 0.2 second then back to the atd , now /tmp/x.log shows # RUN INIT: /usr/bin/enlightenment_init '/usr/share/enlightenment/data/init/asu_init.edj' '4' '0' 'Enlightenment' '0.16.999.050' # ESTART: 2.46682 [1.61394] - test file format support # run-parts: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90xXWindowManager exited with code 1011 # waiting for X server to shut down E17 INIT: XINERAMA CHOSEN: [0], 480x640+0+0 # FreeFontPath: FPE built-ins refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing. where can i go from here!? another thing worth mentioning is that couple of days ago the thing stopped at starting atd daemon:atd. again but Xglamo wasn't starting, i went to check /usr/bin/Xglamo to find that it's 0 bytes!, i just scp a new one from a 2008.12.tar.gz back to freerunner and it worked again. and no i only added angstrom repo to install mplayer then removed it , i wonder what 1011 exit code means? # run-parts: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90xXWindowManager exited with code 1011 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[2008.12] Enlightenment doesn't want to run anymore
hey, i have been updating software on my freerunner last things i installed were pythm , mplayer then i uninstalled them, after a reboot the screen shows starting atd daemon:atd. last thing and nothing after, i tried running /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm start, and looked at log in /tmp/x.log # RUN INIT: /usr/bin/enlightenment_init '/usr/share/enlightenment/data/init/illume_init.edj' '1' '0' 'Enlightenment' '0.16.999.050' # Segmentation fault # ESTART: 1.77762 [0.95707] - test file format support # run-parts: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90xXWindowManager exited with code 1011 # waiting for X server to shut down FreeFontPath: FPE built-ins refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing. this is with illume as default_profile, i change that to ASU and i get the following, i can see the booting screen with the green bar for around 0.2 second then back to the atd , now /tmp/x.log shows # RUN INIT: /usr/bin/enlightenment_init '/usr/share/enlightenment/data/init/asu_init.edj' '4' '0' 'Enlightenment' '0.16.999.050' # ESTART: 2.46682 [1.61394] - test file format support # run-parts: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90xXWindowManager exited with code 1011 # waiting for X server to shut down E17 INIT: XINERAMA CHOSEN: [0], 480x640+0+0 # FreeFontPath: FPE built-ins refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing. where can i go from here!? another thing worth mentioning is that couple of days ago the thing stopped at starting atd daemon:atd. again but Xglamo wasn't starting, i went to check /usr/bin/Xglamo to find that it's 0 bytes!, i just scp a new one from a 2008.12.tar.gz back to freerunner and it worked again. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Opkg.org segfaulting packages
I don't know but before yesterday i had 2008.12 and illume profile installed mokomaze, it segfaulted, then i did a fresh install of 2008.12 switched profile to illume and straight away installed mokomaze again, another segfault, and the thing is after i gave restarted the freerunner it wasn't starting X and giving some HAL errors, but next time i did fresh install i didn't switch the profile installed mokomaze and it worked perfectly. it was weird, i should've copied the logs, ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New design (was Re: Samsung M7600)
You mean something like this but without keyboard http://androidmesh.com/devices/exceda-android-handheld-smartphone-comming-on-march-221 Yup, it would be too big and too ugly. too ugly and you'll need 2 hands to hold it on your ear, i think if gta03 or gta04 would be something like the g1 that would be nice ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Getting rid of Android
how about the nor uboot? same list? On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 8:41 PM, vsviri...@exceede.com wrote: Yes, Android is flashed into the unit. SD Card contains 2 partitions as per Android requirements. The partitions i mention are showing up in dfu-util -l, which lists all the alternates available. (Normally uboot, kernel, rootfs, bootsplash, etc). But they all appear as UNKNOWN in the list. I cannot flash it using dfu-util even w/o the SD card present. Orlando-13 wrote: I Hate to tell you this, but you can try to format your sd card (just to fat32 or ext3) in another Linux box. Then, install another Linux distro in your openmoko... The problem as I see it is that your sd card has a lot of partitions right ? -Orlando. Probably not actually, android (AFAICT) must be installed on the internal flash, not the SD, so content of the SD card is pretty irrelevant. I don't think I've ever tried to go back from android to another distro on my FR, so I can't help with the original question either. /I'm helping! -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Getting-rid-of-Android-tp1702369p1762810.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Next community update
Under 'Hardware' where you discuss the GSM update you state: The goal is to fix ticket 666 and introduce a new command AT+CSIM. Than means 3G. There will be a self-contained update image that can be copied to a uSD card, then boots from there, and has a simple GUI to kick off the upgrade. 3G??? Where did that come from?? The hardware doesn't support EDGE, let alone 3G... i think he meant for the 3G SIM cards to work... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.9 , FDOM] gsm modem and suspend
i did a couple of tests in FDOM yesterday to find out what's really causing this problem. i changed that echo 1 blah to gsm power_on in qtopia89 in /etc/X11/XSession.. the results were not so random but sometimes didn't make sense, couldn't come to an exact conclusion but it seems like qtopia is behind all this. and a hundred other bugs is behind that QPE. it's time to move on ! switchin to debian :) and never comin back to om200x.x unless qtopia gets out of there :p ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: gsm modem and suspend
does no one else experience problems with suspend after turning off GSM modem? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.9 , FDOM] gsm modem and suspend
On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 2:09 PM, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: does no one else experience problems with suspend after turning off GSM modem? could you please prefix the subject with distribution used? thanks. i am not able to infer, what exactly you're doing: - disabling gsm via call to sysfs - calling apm -s manually ? or - disabling gsm via call to sysfs - pressing pwr/hitting a button/ whatever your distribution offers to suspend ? yes calling apm -s gives device or resource busy and pressing pwr button turns the screen off but not suspending, but u have ssh still active and everything still on, only screen off, so both ways disabling gsm via call to sysfs is disabling us from suspend what i could think of is, that (either as script executed by apm or as part of your distribution's way to suspend) there are requests made to the gsm, to prepare suspend: - minimize rescanning - go to sleep state since gsm is powered of. these request do a) not return or b) not successfully case a) a timeout is probably to big -- decreasing might lead to b) b) the returncode != success in turn results in an uncatched exception that prevents any further process of suspend yes that's what i believe but problem is i don't know how the distribution goes to do the suspend exactly, any references to how suspend is being called in om2008.9 ? does the same occur in debian arne? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: power-on without battery!
On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 12:35 PM, Tony Berth [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hi, I was trying to power-on my FR but having the battery removed and didn't succeed! Goes up to a point and then stops! Is a reason for that? so you were trying to boot without battery and without usb cable plugged and it booted and then stopped? can you be more specific...?! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
gsm modem and suspend
DISTRO=FDOM-27-09-2008 http://openmoko.truebox.co.uk/mirror/compartida.net/Fat_and_Dirty_OM.200809_20080927.rootfs.jffs2 KERNEL= http://downloads.tuxfamily.org/3v1deb/openmoko/uImage-gta02-stable-3v1n0-git-mixture-2.bin when system starts apm -s suspends the freerunner properly, but when i go to config/services and turn off gsm and turn on again or i manually turn off the gsm by echo 0 /sys/devices/platform/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/power_on then apm -s wont suspend either saying device busy or not saying anything, and when i click on power button it either just switches the display off having the whole system on, or brightness goes to 0 and back to normal . only way of being able to suspend again by ./etc/init.d/xserver-nodm stop so what's happening here? anyone else experience this? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ReMoKo and openSuSE 11
On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 3:18 PM, Valerio Valerio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Can you also provide me the output of ReMoko ? Sure, here you go, sorry for the delay i was really busy for the last 3 days [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# DISPLAY=:0 remoko dbus_objectInit... proxy ok interface ok failcount= 0 dbus_objectInit... could not create proxy for org.freesmartphone.ousaged:/org/freesmartphone/Usage org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.freesmartphone.ousaged was not provided by any .service files failcount= 1 dbus_objectInit... could not create proxy for org.freesmartphone.ousaged:/org/freesmartphone/Usage org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.freesmartphone.ousaged was not provided by any .service files failcount= 1 dbus_objectInit... off transition to bluetooth_off_alert You are using ASU finished transition to main finished -- BlueZ input service stopped initializing daemon ... initializing listener ... waiting connection ... waiting connection ... waiting connection ... waiting connection ... waiting connection ... 0x0005c0 0x0005c0 Device Class changed to: 0x0005c0 -- BlueZ input service started Connection terminated Killed Exception in thread Thread-2: Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/lib/python2.5/threading.py, line 486, in __bootstrap_inner self.run() File /usr/share/remoko/remoko/remoko_server.py, line 174, in run reply = self.remoko.sock.recv(100) error: (104, 'Connection reset by peer') ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ReMoKo and openSuSE 11
ok i don't know if this might be useful but the line -- BlueZ input service started is only showin in the terminal through ssh after i press the X button ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ReMoKo and openSuSE 11
i have the same versions as Claus, and no i never tryed connecting bluetooth mouse or keyboard, thanx alot valerio for your help ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ReMoKo and openSuSE 11
problem is when we go to the this input devices wizard and say add new devices it finds the openmoko bluetooth then press the button setup and it says Failed to Create input device for 'device' ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ReMoKo and openSuSE 11
and when i do hcitool -cc 'mycomputermacadd' it connects and shows connected on the pc for a second then drops it , not much experience here ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ReMoKo and openSuSE 11
sorry for the third post, here's some hcidumps from both pc and freerunner while havin remoko on # hcidump (from pc) HCI sniffer - Bluetooth packet analyzer ver 1.41 device: hci0 snap_len: 1028 filter: 0x HCI Command: Create Connection (0x01|0x0005) plen 13 HCI Event: Command Status (0x0f) plen 4 HCI Event: Connect Complete (0x03) plen 11 ACL data: handle 11 flags 0x02 dlen 10 L2CAP(s): Info req: type 2 HCI Command: Read Remote Supported Features (0x01|0x001b) plen 2 HCI Event: Command Status (0x0f) plen 4 HCI Command: Write Link Policy Settings (0x02|0x000d) plen 4 HCI Event: Read Remote Supported Features (0x0b) plen 11 HCI Event: Command Complete (0x0e) plen 6 HCI Command: Remote Name Request (0x01|0x0019) plen 10 HCI Event: Command Status (0x0f) plen 4 HCI Event: Page Scan Repetition Mode Change (0x20) plen 7 HCI Event: Max Slots Change (0x1b) plen 3 ACL data: handle 11 flags 0x02 dlen 10 L2CAP(s): Info req: type 2 ACL data: handle 11 flags 0x02 dlen 16 L2CAP(s): Info rsp: type 2 result 0 Extended feature mask 0x HCI Event: Number of Completed Packets (0x13) plen 5 HCI Event: Remote Name Req Complete (0x07) plen 255 ACL data: handle 11 flags 0x02 dlen 16 L2CAP(s): Info rsp: type 2 result 0 Extended feature mask 0x ACL data: handle 11 flags 0x02 dlen 12 L2CAP(s): Connect req: psm 1 scid 0x0040 ACL data: handle 11 flags 0x02 dlen 16 L2CAP(s): Connect rsp: dcid 0x scid 0x0040 result 2 status 0 Connection refused - PSM not supported HCI Event: Number of Completed Packets (0x13) plen 5 HCI Command: Disconnect (0x01|0x0006) plen 3 HCI Event: Command Status (0x0f) plen 4 HCI Event: Disconn Complete (0x05) plen 4 hcidump (from freerunner) HCI sniffer - Bluetooth packet analyzer ver 1.38 device: hci0 snap_len: 1028 filter: 0x HCI Event: Connect Request (0x04) plen 10 HCI Command: Accept Connection Request (0x01|0x0009) plen 7 HCI Event: Command Status (0x0f) plen 4 HCI Event: Connect Complete (0x03) plen 11 ACL data: handle 42 flags 0x02 dlen 10 L2CAP(s): Info req: type 2 HCI Command: Read Remote Supported Features (0x01|0x001b) plen 2 HCI Event: Page Scan Repetition Mode Change (0x20) plen 7 HCI Event: Max Slots Change (0x1b) plen 3 HCI Event: Command Status (0x0f) plen 4 HCI Event: Number of Completed Packets (0x13) plen 5 HCI Event: Command Status (0x0f) plen 4 HCI Command: Write Link Policy Settings (0x02|0x000d) plen 4 HCI Event: Command Complete (0x0e) plen 6 HCI Command: Change Connection Packet Type (0x01|0x000f) plen 4 HCI Event: Command Status (0x0f) plen 4 HCI Event: Connection Packet Type Changed (0x1d) plen 5 ACL data: handle 42 flags 0x02 dlen 10 L2CAP(s): Info req: type 2 ACL data: handle 42 flags 0x02 dlen 16 L2CAP(s): Info rsp: type 2 result 0 Extended feature mask 0x HCI Event: Read Remote Supported Features (0x0b) plen 11 ACL data: handle 42 flags 0x02 dlen 16 L2CAP(s): Info rsp: type 2 result 0 Extended feature mask 0x HCI Event: Number of Completed Packets (0x13) plen 5 ACL data: handle 42 flags 0x02 dlen 12 L2CAP(s): Connect req: psm 1 scid 0x0040 ACL data: handle 42 flags 0x02 dlen 16 L2CAP(s): Connect rsp: dcid 0x scid 0x0040 result 2 status 0 Connection refused - PSM not supported HCI Event: Number of Completed Packets (0x13) plen 5 HCI Event: Disconn Complete (0x05) plen 4 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [2008.09] resolv.conf
In 2008.8 resolvconf didn't populate it with the nameserver supplied by dhcp when the wifi interface was brought up. I don't know if this is still the case in 2008.9. hmm actually it always filled it in for me from DHCP when connectin to wifi using ifdown eth0 ifup eth0 both in 2008.8 and in 2008.9 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: minimal battery capacity for next re-boot
what would be such a value? 10% or even less? that the beast comes up again to be charged again with the power supply? you can try to charge your phone 100% shutdown, boot with usb cable removed, and see how much it is, do couple of more tests, take the maximum value add 2 or 3% for safety and use that value :) , someone else have an exact value already? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: debian/apm/apmd - experimenting
Try to update the kernel (don't forget the modules) take the modules tgz and uImage from there -- http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/200808/20080830/ depmod and don't forget to add g_ether to your /etc/modules (for the usb0 to work) yea it is s2ram, s2disk would take much more time and would not be usable if ur using freerunner as a phone (that's what i think, what's the fastest s2disk can do? ) But my real problem starts when it comes to resume my neo. How would i do this? The power button has no function at all while in suspend, no matter how long i press it. It seems that somehow the link between the power button and the resume function is not given by default even though it is written in the debian wiki page. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: keyboard (was Re: 2008.8 raster + zecke, great useability, and remaining flaws)
in many ways it's good to know i won't be the meat in the sandwich between community and company going forward. :) Don't worry Raster you're not the meat in the sandwich, i can see most of the things you do helps us, but somehow the design department doesn't like the good changes you make, and i can see that if the design department keeps making foolish decisions they'll very soon become that meat in the sandwich and be crushed until there's no meat in the sandwich, then there will not be foolish decisions anymore and we can have a poll on the decisions, that's the open way of doing it. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: touch screen driving me nuts!
if we look at the pic, the top 4 red lines are deviated upwards with the one closest to the centre being the most deviated, and the lowest 4 red lines are deviated downwards with the one closest to the centre being the most deviated again.. it does certainly look like a weird pressure from somewhere to me... was it like this when you got the device?, i'm no expert in this area but i think some excess pressure has been applied on the unit's screen or something before... from the middle i guess.. or something dropped and the shape of the screen got bent very slightly maybe.. what do you guys think? On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 6:49 PM, Kim Alvefur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 2008-08-16 at 23:19 -0600, -stacy wrote: http://www.millions.ca/~stacy/neoFreeRunner/touchscreen.pnghttp://www.millions.ca/%7Estacy/neoFreeRunner/touchscreen.png I got the feeling that there is some weird pressure from somewhere. Like there's something stuck under it. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Finger stylus found...
Fits most fingers, haha how would they know that? :p ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Finger stylus found...
nice one :p well check this one out... this is the stylus all of you need to go and get it now, it's the 'fashion' :p One of our customers asked for a clip to keep their tethered stylus from dangling. So, we found the perfect clip to keep the tethered stylus, inkless stylus, finger or pen cap stylus in place. Clip has an adhesive pad that sticks to most surfaces. Great way to keep your TrueTip styli in one location! Bag of 10 white clips. http://store01.prostores.com/servlet/truetip/Detail?no=45 I think this is more about being cool than being practical. It reminds me some heavy metal/emo artifact like this: http://www.elcallejondelinfierno.com/images/categories/garra%20cruz%20malta.jpg ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Finger stylus found...
well these guys obviously think all their customers are stupid, found this on their main page Here are just five of the many benefits of our finger stylus and pen cap stylus: 1. Increase your productivity by up to 30%! 2. Prolong the life of your touch screen and PDA. 3. Decrease the need to clean your screen. 4. TrueTip styluses reduce costly repairs due to damage done by foreign objects and fingernails. 5. Using TrueTip styli will eliminate scratches, smudges, smears, marks, food prints, and oils, and ink from your PDA or touch screen. (number 5 makes sense the most) -- do germans get this once arne? :p ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Finger stylus found...
On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 1:19 PM, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well these guys obviously think all their customers are stupid, found this on their main page sorry? 1. Increase your productivity by up to 30%! 2. Prolong the life of your touch screen and PDA. 3. Decrease the need to clean your screen. 4. TrueTip styluses reduce costly repairs due to damage done by foreign objects and fingernails. 5. Using TrueTip styli will eliminate scratches, smudges, smears, marks, food prints, and oils, and ink from your PDA or touch screen. what part strikes you as stupid? hmm, oils 'n ink from your PDA or touch screens? (number 5 makes sense the most) -- do germans get this once arne? :p beg your pardon? it was sarcasm, no offense there, sorry if i couldn't make that more understandable, Lothar it might be useful, can't answer as i also haven't tried such stylii :), number 1 might be true in the end? but 5 doesn't sound quite correct :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: stupid guy! thinks it's a train wreck!
To be completely fair to him if you go tot he Openmoko.com online store [1] [2] there's no indication that the Freerunner is anything less than a completed (and fully-polished) product. Stroller. [1] http://www.openmoko.com/product.html [2] http://us.direct.openmoko.com/products/neo-freerunner can someone fix this issue on the openmoko.com , there should be a warning thing there about the software, Sean, Steve, Brenda, Michael? anyone? the website needs an update really.. and this also ? -- The next batch of shipments are scheduled to arrive on July 25th. , at least that part to be removed? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
stupid guy! thinks it's a train wreck!
hahahah this guy is really stupid,, check it out.. be sure to check out his comments!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3ntUy2eqlk ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: IDA Systems Freerunner sales update
Yes but having a creditcard payment method is preferable than wire transfers, as you'll have to go to your bank, fill a form.. da da da... creditcard you just go to the website put the info there and you got it done much faster... plus in my situation i use an e-card, which is like a mastercard for online or phone use, you can put money in it but you can't withdraw so i got my money for the freerunner in there and can only purchase using mastercard payment option! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Video demo: Openmoko Neo Freerunner Features Accelerometer-based Gestures, and Screen Orientation
GREAT JOB!!! very well done... keep up the great work Paul!! +1 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 2008 WTF??
But who would buy a $400 phone with just looking at pictures or reading a blog or something mentioning it, then going to the website (openmoko.com) and buying it. without checking the wiki or asking anyone that owns it.. openmoko.com doesn't give any proper information on anything other than the hardware... i personally wouldn't buy a phone without at least googling it to find out more information.. (NOT saying that openmoko doesn't need to have that notification of the software on the webshop, it should just like neo1973 had one) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What's up with Openmoko store?
So any updates steve? On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 6:02 AM, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry I'm at Linux world, I'll met with Sean in Friday and discuss. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
we need updates
guys it's been a week the openmoko.com says Sold Out? Neo FreeRunner is currently *SOLD OUT*. The next batch of shipments are scheduled to arrive on July 25th. can we have an update on this, or can someone please update the website? IIRC there are 2 people who went to the website on the 23-rd and purchased freerunners... so it's been a week i go everyday every 4 hours to the website ... or at least if we can have an estimation? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: freerunner unable to work with 3G SIMCards?
Did Ti (the modem / firmware supplier) respond to this issue steve? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Battery Lifetime
what's the hungriest of all? or if we can have a list of all the hungry stuff in the FR sorted from the one starving to the one who needs a snack? :) On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 10:02 PM, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | I've noticed significantly reduced runtime when using one of the | latest daily builds (2008-07-16 I think). I have a theory. I suspect | bluetooth isn't really being turned off when I think it is any more. | The factory image ran with a dimmed screen (no suspend) for a good 6 | hours and only drained to 64% according to asm. The latest daily | build completely drained the battery in 6 hours (even after asm -s). | How can I check to ensure that the BT module isn't drawing power? There's two levels of supicion you can apply to check what's really going on. First there is a logical enable signal that is reported by cat /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/power_on This would report 0 if the BT stuff was logically off. If it still doesn't satisfy the suspicion, you can quite directly check if it is being given power by the PMU. cat /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/dump_regs will (after a little pause while it grabs them) dump the whole PMU register state. BT is powered off LDO4, it means registers 0x33 and 0x34 are interesting. The LDO is powered if b0 of 0x34 is '1', it should be disabled if it claims BT is off. However, WLAN is much hungrier than BT. Maybe it can be that? - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkiDi8EACgkQOjLpvpq7dMoOhQCeN07Vy/RbA5sY+Lg5vmkuaROv QA8An0pzeJYXvmtYsIT0bV01eViu08Uu =9EYb -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA02 GPS rework for SD card interference issue
Just one question, will the new freerunners coming out on 25-th have it reworked, or we'll have to do it by ourselves ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS problems, summary
I think the Freerunner has enough RAM to actually make that possible (ringtones and etc. may be stored in tmpfs) :) Maybe when just running the GPS application and there's no fix some of the important data from the SD can be put in the RAM (just in case a call comes or any other things like maps etc.) then when the fix is there the RAM can drop some of the unneeded stuff :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: CRCFAIL?
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 11:13 AM, Ken Restivo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Poking around in dmesg output, I see lots of these: CRCFAIL 0x1a3f CRCFAIL 0x1a3f But no indication of where they're coming from. They seem to occur at random times during boot. What is CRC failing, and what, if anything, might be broken by that? -ken http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-February/000831.html seems like others are getting it too, i cant confirm since i didn't order my FR yet ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SanDisk micro SDHC 8GB card under testing
So what's the best filesystem to use on our microSDs? On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 12:51 AM, Mikko Rauhala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: pe, 2008-07-11 kello 15:44 -0600, Joe Pfeiffer kirjoitti: Checking you're right. I could swear I saw early on that the whole reason jffs2 was used on the GTA01 was because SD didn't do that. So anybody know why it was used? Bee-cause the internal flash is not SD but raw flash, on both Neos? -- Mikko Rauhala - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - URL:http://www.iki.fi/mjr/ Transhumanist - WTA member - URL:http://www.transhumanism.org/ Singularitarian - SIAI supporter - URL:http://www.singinst.org/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
shipping very expensive
hey everyone i live in Qatar, and just to see how much the shipping would be for the 900 MHz i just tried to check out the 850 version and shipping to Doha - Qatar ( where i stay ) with UPS worldwide expedited is 97.59 USD, and UPS saver 101.23 USD, that's just unacceptable and very expensive. why so? and why do we not have other choices like FedEx or DHL or even others... why are we restricted on using just UPS, we should have more options... i have done other purchases from other websites and normally the shipping would be between 20 USD to 40 USD as a maximum... but not 97 USD ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: shipping very expensive
:p i wouldn't call it only, but $160 is definitely crazy, watsup with UPS? On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Federico Lorenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ha, only 100 dollars for you. Shipping to South Africa is $160 On 7/7/08, Flyin_bbb8 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hey everyone i live in Qatar, and just to see how much the shipping would be for the 900 MHz i just tried to check out the 850 version and shipping to Doha - Qatar ( where i stay ) with UPS worldwide expedited is 97.59 USD, and UPS saver 101.23 USD, that's just unacceptable and very expensive. why so? and why do we not have other choices like FedEx or DHL or even others... why are we restricted on using just UPS, we should have more options... i have done other purchases from other websites and normally the shipping would be between 20 USD to 40 USD as a maximum... but not 97 USD -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: shipping very expensive
Federico, did you already order from the openmoko shop? or you're waiting for the 900 MHz version? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: shipping very expensive
Yea, i did the same thing, just wrote an email to see if theyll ship the phone to qatar On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 7:44 PM, ian douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He said he was checking the web site and started an order for the 850 just to check what the shipping cost would be. -id Flyin_bbb8 wrote: Federico, did you already order from the openmoko shop? or you're waiting for the 900 MHz version? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: shipping very expensive
sorry i meant i wrote an email to the indian distributor. On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 10:01 PM, Flyin_bbb8 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yea, i did the same thing, just wrote an email to see if theyll ship the phone to qatar On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 7:44 PM, ian douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He said he was checking the web site and started an order for the 850 just to check what the shipping cost would be. -id Flyin_bbb8 wrote: Federico, did you already order from the openmoko shop? or you're waiting for the 900 MHz version? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Battery loading ...
Maybe the gear is on reverse :p ( don't really know what problem is as i don't have my freerunner yet ) On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 1:33 AM, Christoph Anton Mitterer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah,... and it's intersting that, after the battery has been fully loaded,... the POWER_SUPPLY_TIME_TO_FULL_NOW becomes 3932100 ?! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: freerunner shipment confirmation?
But its good sharing this kind of information, if the person [EMAIL PROTECTED] will have to reply to each enquiry they will not have time to work :) , this way others also see the answer and good for all of us that didnt order yet (waiting for 900 mhz in openmoko shop) On 7/5/08, Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4 Jul 2008, at 23:19, Jayesh Salvi wrote: ... I believe the 3rd step was my credit card specific which did some kind of verification for my Chase Visa credit card. This is quite common - I've known UK Visa cards to do the same thing. I never quite grok the security logic of taking you to a Visa site and getting you to enter your date of birth, mothers' maiden name c *during* a transaction (which they always do the first time you use a card). If the card-provider wishes to something unique during credit- card transactions then the authentication should be set up in ADVANCE. At the end of 3rd step I got some error and couldn't proceed or go back from there. I however received an email confirmation for that 3rd step from Visa. What concerns me is, I did not get any confirmation email that OpenMoko has received my order successfully. ... But should I be getting any confirmation/receipt of transaction from OpenMoko or from the third party site that processed my order? Was it really necessary to post this question to the list? Couldn't you have just emailed [EMAIL PROTECTED] instead? I appreciate that Openmoko has these great community lists to make use of, but this seems to me to be a standard ordering enquiry. In the case of a credit card transaction query when ordering from any other online shop, you'd just email them direct. Stroller. -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WLAN not working
iwconfig? Or iwlist scanning? On 7/5/08, Christoph Anton Mitterer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi. I've received my GTA02 yesterday :-) Flashed it to the most recent version (http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Freerunner/)... Unfortunately,... when I try to use WLAN I get this: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# ifup wlan0 Error for wireless request Set Mode (8B06) : SET failed on device wlan0 ; No such device. Error for wireless request Set ESSID (8B1A) : SET failed on device wlan0 ; No such device. ifconfig: SIOCGIFFLAGS: No such device wlan0 No such device udhcpc: SIOCGIFINDEX: No such device [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# And when I use the following config: # /etc/network/interfaces -- configuration file for ifup(8), ifdown(8) # The loopback interface auto lo iface lo inet loopback iface wlan0 inet dhcp wpa-ssid scientia.net wpa-psk secret #wpa-scan-ssid 1 # Wireless interfaces #iface wlan0 inet dhcp #wireless_mode managed #wireless_essid any iface atml0 inet dhcp # Wired or wireless interfaces iface eth0 inet dhcp iface eth1 inet dhcp # Ethernet/RNDIS gadget (g_ether) # ... or on host side, usbnet and random hwaddr auto usb0 iface usb0 inet static address 192.168.200.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 network 192.168.200.0 gateway 192.168.200.1 up echo nameserver 192.168.200.1 /etc/resolv.conf # Bluetooth networking iface bnep0 inet dhcp I get this: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# ifup wlan0 WPA: Configuring Interface ioctl[SIOCSIWPMKSA]: No such device ioctl[SIOCSIWMODE]: No such device Could not configure driver to use managed mode ioctl[SIOCGIFFLAGS]: No such device Could not set interface 'wlan0' UP ioctl[SIOCGIWRANGE]: No such device ioctl[SIOCGIFINDEX]: No such device ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: No such device ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODE]: No such device ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: No such device ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODE]: No such device ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: No such device ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODE]: No such device ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: No such device ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODE]: No such device ioctl[SIOCSIWAUTH]: No such device WEXT auth param 7 value 0x0 - Failed to disable WPA in the driver. ioctl[SIOCSIWAUTH]: No such device WEXT auth param 5 value 0x0 - ioctl[SIOCSIWAUTH]: No such device WEXT auth param 4 value 0x0 - ioctl[SIOCSIWAP]: No such device ioctl[SIOCGIFFLAGS]: No such device wpa_supplicant: /usr/sbin/wpa_supplicant daemon failed to start FAILED Failed to connect to wpa_supplicant - wpa_ctrl_open: No such file or directory ifconfig: SIOCGIFFLAGS: No such device wlan0 No such device udhcpc: SIOCGIFINDEX: No such device [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# Any ideas? Thanks, Chris. -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
discount on invisibleshield protectors
Hey everyone and well done OM team for making this great open phone almost in our hands :p i just ordered a full body protection from invisibleshield and got 2 discount codes, anyone who wants just contact me, come first , get first :p ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Webshop Reopen NOW!!!
any estimation of when the 900 version will be available? On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 12:31 PM, Harry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear All, Sorry for delay long time!!! So far, only GSM850 Freerunner is available in stock, Debug board and spare also!!! http://www.openmoko.com/store.html Freerunner is running Thanks and BR Harry ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fast questions about GTA03
haha, but you wont even know what FPS you getting :D The glamo is the video controller. If you disable the glamo, you don't get any picture. Well, sure, but think of the bright side: you would have infinite FPS in this video mode! :-P Hans ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fast questions about GTA03
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 1:29 AM, Flyin_bbb8 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 1:55 PM, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: haha, but you wont even know what FPS you getting :D why not? there are leds and even a speaker -- a led could blink or a voice count audibly ... i don't think led will be a choice there but u can do the voice count, or maybe spam your email with fps :D, then we can send an email with the fps number to the glamo manufacturers and they'll say oh well, maybe we were really smart when we designed this :p (sorry for the first post, double click and both reply 'n send in same place! ) The glamo is the video controller. If you disable the glamo, you don't get any picture. Well, sure, but think of the bright side: you would have infinite FPS in this video mode! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)
Well were all those 'never see them' people linux users and interested in openmoko? Haha we might just all be gifted people ! :D On 6/7/08, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 01:30:43 +0100 Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On 6 Jun 2008, at 23:19, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: ... Let's reverse the question - would you reduce the resolution of your desktop system? What do you currently have? 1024*1280 or more? You can still do everything like writing software, e-mail, web browsing, gaming. Probably even faster. But how would it appear? Future oriented or old fashioned? this is different - because it's me - my eyesight is better than 20/20 and i use the highest res i can get, when i can get it as i know i can read my miniscule 8pt or less fonts. but no one else can read my screen - they all complain that it's too hard and i am forever upping font sizes if i want anyone to read something on it. i know *I* am fine with it, but the vast majority of other people can't read my screen. this is why i am cutting myself out of this - trying to not be personal about it as i know already i'm an exception to the rule. Hi there, I haven't posted on this topic before because I'm not able to personally compare VGA QVGA 2 phone screens. However my eyesight is also better than 20/20, and display quality is generally quite visible to me. Your statements have seemed to say that QVGA is just as good as VGA for most people, and I have been sceptical of this - I find that my current phone (P990i) is QVGA, and that is rubbish for viewing webpages. Since you have 20/20 eyesight and can view tiny fonts at high resolutions I'm inclined to believe that a VGA screen will, for me, be better for displaying webpages PDFs - I'll be able to fit more on the screen and my eyesight will allow me to read the smaller text. So my vote is for VGA (or even widescreen VGA, like the PSP?). Stroller. it will be better - of course. what' i'm baffled about is why all of a sudden here a lot of excellent vision gifted people turn up, whereas in real life i never see them... :) -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Shipping details
So no paypal ? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSoC project status: Speech Recognition facility in open moko
So wouldn't it be a main problem if we change the main applications like the Dialer, the contacts etc? for example from GTK to Qtopia? other way round or anything else? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS -- AGPS
actually i believe it does help in much better accuracy (unless if you're indoors) On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 3:11 AM, Lally Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 7:25 PM, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Do 5. Juni 2008 schrieb Lally Singh: AFAIK, the AGPS allows you to upload additional information into the onboard correlator (the CPU that does the actual location calculations for GPS) to enhance the accuracy over what you get with simple satellite triangulation. It's about reducing TTFF, not increasing accuracy [1]. Basically you tell the receiver which sats it should expect, so it doesn't have to check all possible channels and download the data from sat (AFAIK). See ephem and alm in uBlox paper. [1] Increasing accuracy is differential-GPS, where you have a reference receiver at known position, so you can tell pos of 2nd relative to ref in sub-meter accuracy. Also see: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hardware:AGPS which I found just after typing the above. Ah, my mistake. I was hoping for more than just an almanac/ephem upload. I'm a lot less excited now. -- H. Lally Singh Ph.D. Candidate, Computer Science Virginia Tech ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS -- AGPS
An *A-GPS* receiver can address these problems in several ways, using an *Assistance Server*: - The Assistance Server can locate the phone roughly by what cell sitehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_siteit is connected to on the cellular network http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellular_network. - The Assistance Server has a good satellite signal, and lots of computation power, so it can compare fragmentary signals relayed to it by cell phones, with the satellite signal it receives directly, and then inform the cell phone or emergency services of the cell phone's position. - It can supply orbital data http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephemeris for the GPS satellites to the cell phone, enabling the cell phone to lock to the satellites when it otherwise could not, and autonomously calculate its position. - It can have better knowledge of ionospherichttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionosphericconditions and other errors affecting the GPS signal than the cell phone alone, enabling more precise calculation of position. (See also Wide Area Augmentation Systemhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wide_Area_Augmentation_System) Info from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGPS ,(I'm not 100% sure about the precision but at least that's what alot of people have told me, and so does other websites ), have you run any tests yet Joerg? I know they do use D-GPS in other industries other than aviation that's exactly why i said mainly and not only, go ahead and tell me why they made D-GPS in the first place, and then added the small error in it by the department of defense of the US :) On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 7:46 AM, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Fr 6. Juni 2008 schrieb Flyin_bbb8: just wanted to add, Differential GPS is mainly for aircraft GPS systems to get better guidance on the ILS (Instrument Landing System). Aaaaha, I seen it being used for all sorts of archeology and buildings construction purposes. And from the info in the uBlox-paper, regarding the protocol options it doesn't seem to me like there is much chance for better precision by the way they do A-GPS. Better precision would mean info on meteorological interference (like exact amount clouds on the way to sat) at the very location of the receiver. To get this, you need... a reference receiver, so we are at D-GPS again. /j ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner v. HTC v. ....
it seems like there are a couple of magicians around here :) On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 1:36 AM, john [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you can pull a rabbit out of a hat whilst typing on a normal keyboard you are indeed a magician! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 10 or more phones order
from my understanding its the first :p but don't know.. On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 9:13 AM, Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, may be that i missed the answer but someone asked if the discount and the extra stuff are applied only to the 10 pack or it could also be a 12 pack? So to let you understand the condition is: if (phones_ordered == 10) do_the_10_pack_trick(); or it is something like: if (phones_ordered = 10) do_the_10_pack_trick(); ? :D Cya Pietro ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 10 PACK UPDATE!!!
well mohamed hazem i'm also left alone with no one around i guess :p, in Doha-Qatar On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 2:00 PM, Mohamed Hazem [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cairo, Egypt. On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 10:02 PM, Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mohamed Hazem wrote: What about us the poor people with no one around interested in the FreeRunner ... How are we going to get our pouches and earphones ? Where are you? Shachar ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 10 PACK UPDATE!!!
i'm not very sure but i think that it's no easy shipping from one of our countries to the other in the middle east.. each country is separate 'n they don't like each other :p which makes things much harder.. i think straight shipment to the countries from Taiwan or wherever would better.. but i hope i'm wrong... if anyone can clarify this that would be great.. what do you think mohamed? On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 8:41 AM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm going to talk to Steve and see if there isn't some way to combine some of you into one order. Is it easier to ship electronic goods from one of your country to the other, with regards to import duty etc.? What about Jordan? Michael Flyin_bbb8 wrote: well mohamed hazem i'm also left alone with no one around i guess :p, in Doha-Qatar On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 2:00 PM, Mohamed Hazem [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cairo, Egypt. On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 10:02 PM, Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mohamed Hazem wrote: What about us the poor people with no one around interested in the FreeRunner ... How are we going to get our pouches and earphones ? Where are you? Shachar ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Target Market (was: Re: Charger?)
It needs lots of advertising, and i think for basic end-users the device should come with something in the settings like Turn on advanced mode to make the shell icon 'n all those techie things to turn on, or else the basic end-users will just see it too complicated 'n stuff 'n start complainin... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: which applications are usable
Marcus can you please inform me of how long the battery lasts on your neo 1973? on average ... On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 8:43 PM, Marcus Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2008-04-17 at 16:41 +0200, Eildert Groeneveld wrote: with the Freerunner approaching I wonder which applications are currently in a usable status? Apparently, Steve's managed to make a phone call. What about SMS or addressbook? Is there a list somewhere? or does the current qemu download give an impression (its so slow its not really useful) Adding to what Kevin said I can say that GPS work very well too. I hae been playing a bit with the software stack and being a great fan of openstreetmap I developed a little mapping software using these maps. If you want to check it out, there are packages for your desktop too, i.e. for Ubuntu, Debian, Suse, Fedora and eeePC. The homepage is http://www.tangogps.org/ And I fully agree with Kevin that the Openmoko team has done a good job in bringing a usable set of apps to us: I use my neo 1973 without major probs on a daily basis. Actually I love the web browser links in graphical mode. Beats everything out there ;-) Marcus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: which applications are usable
Thanx kevin, that's no good, when does it start warning about low battery?, or does it even do that? On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 12:42 AM, Kevin Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Flyin_bbb8 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marcus can you please inform me of how long the battery lasts on your neo 1973? on average ... Not Marcus but I have an answer. :) Using the Dim first, don't lock mode which dims the screen after a few seconds and then turns off the backlight, it's about 5 hours on standby. Less than that if you're actually using the device. On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 8:43 PM, Marcus Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2008-04-17 at 16:41 +0200, Eildert Groeneveld wrote: with the Freerunner approaching I wonder which applications are currently in a usable status? Apparently, Steve's managed to make a phone call. What about SMS or addressbook? Is there a list somewhere? or does the current qemu download give an impression (its so slow its not really useful) Adding to what Kevin said I can say that GPS work very well too. I hae been playing a bit with the software stack and being a great fan of openstreetmap I developed a little mapping software using these maps. If you want to check it out, there are packages for your desktop too, i.e. for Ubuntu, Debian, Suse, Fedora and eeePC. The homepage is http://www.tangogps.org/ And I fully agree with Kevin that the Openmoko team has done a good job in bringing a usable set of apps to us: I use my neo 1973 without major probs on a daily basis. Actually I love the web browser links in graphical mode. Beats everything out there ;-) Marcus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: which applications are usable
yea for sure, it's a must. On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 1:04 AM, Kevin Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 5:56 PM, Flyin_bbb8 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanx kevin, that's no good, when does it start warning about low battery?, or does it even do that? It doesn't. This is perhaps my single BIGGEST complaint. I don't really mind that the battery dies in 5 hours, because I can plug it up within that window. What bothers the hell out of me is that the phone runs itself into the ground to the point where it can't even be turned on without an hour of slow charging. :( I understand this is a firmware issue and that at least this last part has been corrected in the Freerunner. On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 12:42 AM, Kevin Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Flyin_bbb8 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marcus can you please inform me of how long the battery lasts on your neo 1973? on average ... Not Marcus but I have an answer. :) Using the Dim first, don't lock mode which dims the screen after a few seconds and then turns off the backlight, it's about 5 hours on standby. Less than that if you're actually using the device. On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 8:43 PM, Marcus Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2008-04-17 at 16:41 +0200, Eildert Groeneveld wrote: with the Freerunner approaching I wonder which applications are currently in a usable status? Apparently, Steve's managed to make a phone call. What about SMS or addressbook? Is there a list somewhere? or does the current qemu download give an impression (its so slow its not really useful) Adding to what Kevin said I can say that GPS work very well too. I hae been playing a bit with the software stack and being a great fan of openstreetmap I developed a little mapping software using these maps. If you want to check it out, there are packages for your desktop too, i.e. for Ubuntu, Debian, Suse, Fedora and eeePC. The homepage is http://www.tangogps.org/ And I fully agree with Kevin that the Openmoko team has done a good job in bringing a usable set of apps to us: I use my neo 1973 without major probs on a daily basis. Actually I love the web browser links in graphical mode. Beats everything out there ;-) Marcus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko wallpaper
no the picture is in png format 'n high res.and 1639 KB, should be a JPG with ok quality then the size will be much more less then maybe we can put it on the wiki On Jan 11, 2008 1:59 AM, clare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, THe reduced download time pic is very nice, but I believe if put on the wiki would get well justified complaints due to download time (36 seconds on my ADSL) when the picture is not in any way relevant to what wiki is for. I hate to be so negative, but I have the good of the wiki at heart here. I still think as wallpaper, i.e. to be downloaded as a choice, it would be welcomed. regards, clare On Wed, 9 Jan 2008, Marcel wrote: Here's the new version. The objects on the right have been cut out and there is a smaller version for low bandwith and/or the wiki. But I didn't blacken the lighted window because it turned out to be quite hard to do, it always looks horrible after I put some dark color on it. Maybe someone else is more gifted? :) I'm also going to put the picture versions on my blog/website this evening so that its not nessecary to provide new urls each time a change is made. original with layers: http://tanuva.de/files/mokocars_at_night_v3.xcf.gz big version (6mb, 1447x1085): http://tanuva.de/files/mokocars_at_night_v3.png compressed version (1.6mb, 1280x960): http://tanuva.de/files/mokocars_at_night_v3_small.png ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: community@lists.openmoko.org
first: this is the community and not the freakin store second: and about allowing other customers screaming at you the employees here don't go on deletin posts 'n s*** for 1 customer because this is about being open and it's community we work together we don't just buy, if u don't want to work as a team with us then why would you even subscribe in community? you must be stupid third: about the deadlines u talkin about that's on the website, first off that's the wiki, where any registered users (mostly the community) can edit the information on it, plus who told you that those were deadlines? those are only ESTIMATES fourth: stop talkin about your business rules 'n business this 'n that, this project is not just about money, it's about open source and teamwork, i'm sure you have no idea what that, but it's ok, now you can go 'n unsubscribe if u want, no ones stoppin you or stoppin me from saying this to you you know why? cause THIS IS COMMUNITY On 10/26/07, andutt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Mark I agree with you, i feel the problem with this project is the mix of commersial and hardware relates issues/questions that dont exist in other communites that often just are software related. In thoose projects the community is happy to get new eager users/developers/documenters/people who spread the word. I have always received initial respect, good behaviors from the persons in charge and people that have moderated the channels. The post you react on is really ugly, its just be glad or shutup and get the f*** out of here. Thats not good behavior, its not good for future buyers of the hardware, not good advertising for OpenMoko, people who reads it wont ask questions, maybe not be interested in contributing either. Qtopia has announsed to embrace the Neo device and have released the software under GPL which can have a very bad inpact on OpenMoko if the community gets a negative label printed on the forhead. Hopefully that wont happen and the project will continue with positive power!!! /Andreas On 10/26/07, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AVee [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri Oct 26 00:40:21 CEST 2007 AVee wrote: Did you buy a GTA02? No? Well, in that case, your not a customer, so quit bitching about 'customer service'. You are getting a peek into the development proccess at FIC, that not something you usually get with other companies and you surely can't claim some sort of right to be informed about this. If you can't handle it, unsubscribe from the community list and wait for the announcement you telling you the thing is available, *like you would with any other product*. Or be happy with whatever information you may get, realizing it's all extra. AVee Here's the deal: I'm already a customer in the same way that I'm the customer of a store the instant I pass the threshold. My experience in the store determines whether and how much money I spend in the store. If the employees ignore me (repeatedly) when I ask them a direct question, and allow other customers to scream and yell at me for simply asking a question, then I certainly will immediately exit the building and spend my money elsewhere. I also will tell everybody I know about my experience to prevent them going through the same thing. Whether you like it or not, OpenMoko will never get off the ground without the Neo1973, and the Neo1973 will never get off the ground without early adopters like me to buy it and spread the word. This is a business venture, not a pet project. On the other hand, if everything that prospective buyers hear is negative, that doesn't offer much hope for the future of this project. Question: Who is it wiser to treat well, someone whose money you already have, or someone whose money you need? Anybody here ever hear of the Agenda VR3? Probably very few. History is littered with multitudes of great ideas and great vaporware that never made it to mainstream because those behind it either didn't understand or thought they could get away with ignoring the rules of business. The first rule of business is not to alienate potential customers. Another of the biggest rules of business (and strongly associated with the first rule) is that when you know you aren't going to make a deadline (that you have plastered in multiple places all over your Web site), *before* the deadline passes you let people know what's going on. Making a single vague reference that buyers may or may not find is not sufficient. It's up to you: do the right thing, or go the way of the Agenda VR3. But if it's the latter, you can't say you haven't been warned. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list
Re: R: I'm new in this list
you haven't heared or something? it's been delayed to mid-december On 10/13/07, Ryan Prior [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: surprise! It's october 07 right now and the GTA02 is nowhere on the horizon. Again, I am not connected to FIC, but it seems apparent to me that we won't see GTA02s ship within the next 6 months. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Group purchase/shipping generally
yea that would be great, then we can have a section on the wiki where there would be alot of countries and the people in each country can then discuss about the dates and make an agreement On 7/3/07, Thomas Gstädtner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, before some days Hans van der Merwe asked, if it is possible to do group purchases (in South Africa). Unfortunately he got no answer, so I'd like to ask again. I'm from germany and I think there are many people here who like to buy a GTA01 device. If everyone orders a single device it are $20 to $40 for the shipment PLUS 19% VAT on the device INCLUDING the shipment. Let's assume you order a device for $300, shipment is expensive with $40 this are $340, plus VAT it are $405. Now let's assume there are 4 people who want to have a device, the package is still small enough for $40. So we pay ((($300*4)+$40)*1.19)/4 what makes $370 (+$5 for forwarding the packet inland). So everybody could save at least $30, maybe more if it would be possible to send bigger packets. It would be nice if someone at FIC (Sean? :) ) could tell us if it would be possible to take group orders and how many devices could be shipped at once. Knowing that would be great, because groups could plan the purchase before the 9th. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
