Re: Some questions about TangoGPS
On Friday 08 Jan 2010 09:20:32 Jens Seidel wrote: On Fri, Jan 08, 2010 at 12:01:19PM +0330, dehqan65 wrote: In The Name Of God The compassionate merciful I'm not sure whether you know that at least I and probably many other people just stop reading after this line. I strongly suggest that you write in your name and not in the name of others. That's also not a religious list. I for one find this no more or less annoying than the signatures on many people's emails (for example the Ascii Ribbon Campaign) Hi dehqan65, please follow standard mailing list etiquettes and use a proper name. Well I don't see this mentioned anywhere in RFC 1855 or any list specific rules (couldn't actually find any) and dehqan65 is not by anymeans the only one on this list to not use their full names. Further more if you read beyond the above mentioned line you'll see that the email is signed dehqan which rather suggests that is his name. solar.george --- George Brooke solar.geo...@googlemail.com george.bro...@switchonswitchoff.org The C-Change Peer-Education Project (www.switchonswitchoff.org) Switch On to Climate Change National Carbon Champions 2008 (www.energyawards.org.uk) C-Change is a partnership between the Woodcraft Folk youth organisation (www.woodcraft.org.uk), The Centre for Alternative Technology (www.cat.org.uk) and De Monfort University (www.dmu.ac.uk). signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtMoko] Arora on QtMoko (was Re: Least-hassle method of getting a usable Web browser + telephony support while GPRS is enabled?)
On Sunday 20 Dec 2009 21:04:02 Brolin Empey wrote: I installed Arora on QtMoko v14. I noticed Arora will not load Pouethttp://pouet.net/. Any idea why? There is no error message: the page just never loads. Pouet loads fine in Firefox on a PC running Linux or Windows. Appears to be a Qt problem - site wouldn't load in Arora on Kubunt 9.10 or in a plain QWebview in Qt 4 Designer (Qt 4.5.2) solar.george signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [shr-u 20091205] remove fancy slider lock for old screen bar lock
On Saturday 19 Dec 2009 22:25:02 jeremy jozwik wrote: On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 7:59 AM, jeremy jozwik jerjoz.for...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 7:44 AM, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak seba.d...@gmail.com It's dead simple: just disable/remove shr-today and bind AUX button to SimpleLock action in enlightenment config. after opkg update opkg upgrade that damn slider is back. only this time when running # opkg remove shr-today , i get back no packages removed. same goes for -force-depends. got to say im really annoyed at this screen and if you use an alternate keyboard, like literki, your phone will enlightenment crash every flippin time that screen locker shows up. edit /etc/phonefsod.conf and change idle_screen = aux,lock to idle_screen = (i think) if that doesn't work put back aux and it should only appear when you press the aux button. solar.george signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Security Behavior Survey
On Wednesday 09 Dec 2009 14:55:46 Alexey Feldgendler wrote: Hello! I'm running a small survey on internet users' security behavior. I'll really appreciate if you answer to it when you have time. http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/XKDYYZ3 Thank you! Talk about coincidence, just finished your survey and this (http://theravingrick.blogspot.com/2009/12/and-so-it-begins.html) appears in akregator. solar.george signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Recamping (#1024) fix
On Monday 23 Nov 2009 20:29:23 Jeffrey Ratcliffe wrote: A few days ago, I received my FR back from Golden Delicious, who had performed the recamping (#1024) fix. He was very prompt - it took Hermes longer to get my FR to him than it did for him to fix it and send it back. I'm not connected in any way to Golden Delicious, apart from as a satisfied customer. Regards Jeff I'll second that one. solar.george signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 1024#
On Wednesday 07 Oct 2009 10:36:01 Thomas HOCEDEZ wrote: David Garabana Barro a écrit : If you have something like [2009-09-09 12:36:09.189663] Signal : cid=3BB3, lac=0D48 [2009-09-09 12:36:15.088936] Signal : cid=3BB3, lac=0D48 [2009-09-09 12:38:10.442808] Signal : cid=3BB3, lac=0D48 [2009-09-09 12:38:13.020126] Signal : cid=3BB3, lac=0D48 [2009-09-09 12:40:25.772918] Signal : cid=3BB3, lac=0D48 [2009-09-09 12:40:28.620096] Signal : cid=3BB3, lac=0D48 [2009-09-09 12:41:17.557676] Signal : cid=3BB3, lac=0D48 [2009-09-09 12:41:20.404582] Signal : cid=3BB3, lac=0D48 Then you have the bug (trying to connect to GSM every second!) What would be considered a normal rate of connections? solar.george signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qi - why only 3 partitions on SD card?
On Saturday 26 September 2009 10:12:59 Nikita V. Youshchenko wrote: What you _can_ do is construct a mini Linux environment that provides a boot menu / usb-dfu, and is booted by Qi in the normal way. This would place those tools in regular Linux userspace, i.e. much more accessible to regular non kernel / bootloader hackers. This could be the default or secondary boot option - provide a boot menu and then chainload the desired final Linux environment. Have anybody done this, at least in proof-of-concept form? If yes, any links? There was a thread on the devel list see here: http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td1980163%7Ca1980163 solar.george signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: DANGER, koolu's Qi is incompatible with other systems (was: Re: new Android Cupcake release for Freerunner)
On Monday 21 September 2009 11:25:42 Paul Fertser wrote: Niels Heyvaert nielsheyva...@hotmail.com writes: ... It installs the Qi bootloader, reboots, the kernel, reboots, then installs the system image. I want to warn everybody that the Qi version provided by Koolu is some questionable fork to change partition layout or so i was told. The result is that it becomes incompatible with all other distros, so beware. This should really be added to some android docs, imho. Will simply reflashing an ordiary Qi allow you to boot other distros afterwards or does the Koolu version change other stuff? solar.george signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: For all ya BFS (brain fuck scheduler) lovers out there
On Wednesday 16 September 2009 18:03:48 Warren Baird wrote: WTF? How swapping windows can take 15 seconds? Here it's immediately, with sometimes max ~1 second lag! I was swapping through all visible screens twice - waiting for the redraw each time - I was probably doing 14 or 16 window swaps total - so it went from around 1s/swap to about .66 s/swap... Warren Could you do a battery life test with the NO_NEW_FAIR_SLEEPERS option enabled? solar.george signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SHR - Trying to configure phone for a wireless demo...
On Tuesday 08 September 2009 15:50:26 John Dowd wrote: On Friday 04 September 2009 16:23:51 George Brooke wrote: usb0 should now be ethX just look in dmesg to see what number its taken. solar.george Respectfully, who cares what the interface is called on the Neo side, this does not reflect back to the device (in this case a laptop) at the other end of the usb cable. That device (the laptop) does not see any ethernet i/f because the Neo is not starting one. Cheers!! I mean on the laptop side 1. Plug neo into laptop 2. run dmesg on laptop [ 9359.352059] usb 2-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2 [ 9359.566175] usb 2-2: configuration #1 chosen from 2 choices [ 9359.914928] eth2: register 'cdc_ether' at usb-:00:1d.0-2, CDC Ethernet Device, 00:1f:11:01:70:8f [ 9359.915323] usbcore: registered new interface driver cdc_ether [ 9359.962215] udev: renamed network interface eth2 to eth5 3. look for lines like the above which tell you that my neo is at eth5 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SHR - Trying to configure phone for a wireless demo...
On Tuesday 08 September 2009 16:11:17 John Dowd wrote: On Tuesday 08 September 2009 11:00:52 George Brooke wrote: I mean on the laptop side 1. Plug neo into laptop 2. run dmesg on laptop [ 9359.352059] usb 2-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2 [ 9359.566175] usb 2-2: configuration #1 chosen from 2 choices [ 9359.914928] eth2: register 'cdc_ether' at usb-:00:1d.0-2, CDC Ethernet Device, 00:1f:11:01:70:8f [ 9359.915323] usbcore: registered new interface driver cdc_ether [ 9359.962215] udev: renamed network interface eth2 to eth5 3. look for lines like the above which tell you that my neo is at eth5 Bingo, it works and you are correct, it's now on eth1. Good thing I put that Respectfully at the start of my reply or I might have to buy your beer for the rest of my life. Cheers!! No problem, glad it got sorted out. solar.george signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SHR - Trying to configure phone for a wireless demo...
On Tuesday 08 September 2009 21:40:59 John Dowd wrote: And on more piece of information that I need I can bring up the shell on the Neo but the keyboard that pops up does not have an obvious way to insert (or type) a carriage return. There has to be a way? drag down on the kbd, up to change layouts left-right for space right-left for backspace you might be better off with the terminal layout (should be installed by default, just press on the up arrow on the right and select terminal) solar.george signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SHR - Trying to configure phone for a wireless demo...
On Friday 04 September 2009 16:32:50 John Dowd wrote: I would like to do this demo using the more recent SHR loads since the om2008 series seems to be abandoned. I have a few issues and I'm wondering if someone knows how to get around them. I've put the lastest stable load of SHR on. I have been able to get the wireless to work by modifying the various wpa_supplicant and init.d files by hand but, the phone comes up without the wireless chip turned on so I have to go into the settings application and actually turn it on. It's not persistent. I then have to run my init script and then it connects (I can see the wpa handshaking being done on my AP). However the DHCP client dhclient doesn't appear to be available under SHR and I have to fall back to busybox's udhcpc. It just doesn't seem to work. According to the SHR project page, I could use Mokonnect to configure all of this but it's not available to the stable version and I tried to load the unstable package but it gives me startup errors and then gacks. I've tried to put a unstable SHR load on the Neo but then I run into all sorts of incompatibility issues and I get things like the usb0 interface is unavailable and I therefore can't then get at the Neo to fix things. usb0 should now be ethX just look in dmesg to see what number its taken. solar.george signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Broken FR for sale
On Monday 31 August 2009 02:57:44 The Digital Pioneer wrote: If anyone wants it, I have one broken FR and I've gotta get rid of it. The computational aspect is fine, the only part of it that doesn't work is the screen, which is cracked. The screen DOES NOT WORK!! It's cracked and you can't see anything useful. Just colors and lines. The phone itself works fine, including the touchscreen (if you know where to touch without seeing anything). You can SSH in and play music. It still works, it just has no meaningful display. It is A5 with no buzzfix. Comes with 3 batteries, wall charger, stylus pen, USB cable, OM branded neoprene pouch, and wired headset. If you're interested, make me an offer. Were you aware that pulster.de will replace the screen for 89 euros. solar.george signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SHR first experiences user manual
On Friday 28 August 2009 08:40:19 Markus T�rnqvist wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:32:09AM +0400, Paul Fertser wrote: Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi writes: How about preferring nano over vi? I think nano - telling people what to press, might be more friendlier. Nano is fucked-up shit imho. I'd be sad to see it mentioned in the SHR manual, no matter what the reasoning is. I could not have expressed it better :D And if you have an on-screen keyboard, it's slightly less of a suck to use an editor that doesn't require you to toggle Ctrl-button states every other keypress, but have states in the editor itself. I'm sure those of you who feel strongly about this will use your favourite editor no matter what the shr manual says. However inconvenient the ctrl + button sequances are nano has the advantage of being self- explanatory to users who don't know it and is therefore better for use a manual where we can't be sure every reader is au-fait with the different editors and will just use their favourite. solar.george signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Python email or direct GMail lib?
On Wednesday 26 August 2009 12:36:06 Laszlo KREKACS wrote: On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Adolph J. Vogelajvo...@tuks.co.za wrote: Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 3_0 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/528.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile/7A341 Safari/528.16 I tried out Arora with this ~/.config/arora-browser.org/Arora.conf file: http://pastebin.com/fb3fa3b6 And it does not seem to work. However Im on Arora 0.5, and dont find a newer package for ubuntu jaunty (9.04). Enable -backports in your repository config solar.george signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Python email or direct GMail lib?
On Tuesday, August 25, 2009, Nikita V. Youshchenko yo...@debian.org wrote: On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Nikita V. Youshchenkoyo...@debian.org wrote: arora. Works well as a browser. I installed version 0.5 (from ubuntu repositories), it required 18MB dependencies and use qt. Debian currently has 0.8 However I dont see a way of changing user agent, so I cant try out how well it works... The bugreport about user agent (from 2008-09): http://code.google.com/p/arora/issues/detail?id=18 Google shows this: http://blog.ihtiandr.info/smena-user-agent-v-brauzere-arora-08.html It is in russian, but config from there may be just copy-pasted to ~/.config/http://arora-browser.org/Arora.conf Yes that works ok [%General] userAgent=Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 3_0 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/528.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile/7A341 Safari/528.16 use the [%General] thing even if you've already got a [General] section in your config. solar.george Sent from the iphone interface ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ALL] New showroom for Openmoko apps
On Saturday 22 August 2009 00:17:57 David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote:
Partial success, after installing Jaunty,
the import proccess apt2db goes ok and I have the example repo in a sqlite
but the web server doesn't boot up
here is the error log
mut...@iluvatar:~/apt-portal$ ./apt-portal.py playdeb
/var/lib/python-support/python2.6/sqlalchemy/util.py:7:
DeprecationWarning: the sets module is deprecated
import inspect, itertools, new, operator, sets, sys, warnings, weakref
Traceback (most recent call last):
File ./apt-portal.py, line 274, in module
cherrypy.quickstart(cherrypy.root, '/', config=conf)
File /var/lib/python-support/python2.6/cherrypy/__init__.py, line
248, in quickstart
engine.start()
File /var/lib/python-support/python2.6/cherrypy/process/wspbus.py,
line 184, in start
self.publish('start')
File /var/lib/python-support/python2.6/cherrypy/process/wspbus.py,
line 147, in publish
output.append(listener(*args, **kwargs))
File /var/lib/python-support/python2.6/cherrypy/_cpserver.py, line
90, in start
ServerAdapter.start(self)
File /var/lib/python-support/python2.6/cherrypy/process/servers.py,
line 60, in start
self.wait()
File /var/lib/python-support/python2.6/cherrypy/process/servers.py,
line 95, in wait
raise self.interrupt
thread.error: can't start new thread
Exception in thread HTTPServer Thread-2:
Traceback (most recent call last):
File /usr/lib/python2.6/threading.py, line 525, in __bootstrap_inner
self.run()
File /usr/lib/python2.6/threading.py, line 477, in run
self.__target(*self.__args, **self.__kwargs)
File /var/lib/python-support/python2.6/cherrypy/process/servers.py,
line 73, in _start_http_thread
self.httpserver.start()
File /var/lib/python-support/python2.6/cherrypy/wsgiserver/__init__.py,
line 1603, in start
self.requests.start()
File /var/lib/python-support/python2.6/cherrypy/wsgiserver/__init__.py,
line 1300, in start
worker.start()
File /usr/lib/python2.6/threading.py, line 471, in start
_start_new_thread(self.__bootstrap, ())
error: can't start new thread
I think that cherry py in jaunty doesn't work with python 2.6 if i'm correct
you'll have to install
python 2.5 and change the top line to #!/usr/bin/python2.5 (you could check by
doing python2.5
./apt-portal.py playdeb obviously)
solar.george
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Re: replacement opkg.org (was Re: Opkg.org?! (was: Re: [SHR-...))
On Thursday 09 July 2009 12:40:08 Robin Paulson wrote: i'll agree with everything you've said. however, given the reality of the situation, i.e. the popularity of opkg.org with devs and users, coupled with the lack of knowledge around bb, i think this is a very useful service. i have no idea how many devs submit bb files to shr, om, etc., but i'd take a guess it's pretty low How about some kind of web app to generate the bb files to help the devs then. solar.george signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why one cannot recommend the freerunner as a daily phone (was Re: Is a FreeRunner sufficient for me?)
On Thursday 25 June 2009 13:25:39 mobi phil wrote: I am affraid that even if you would do your best you would not be able to reason what is usefull for all the people who subscribed for the list. It is usefull for at least two people: the person who started the thread and me :). On the other side it is inpolite to reason in name of others. So the conclusion is your last post is zero at power of infinet usefull :) For f*ck sake people this isn't a school playground stop with the childish bickering. That last line isn't clever or even funny. solar.george signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OM2009] airplane mode
On Saturday 20 June 2009 15:58:34 Risto H. Kurppa wrote: On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Al Johnsonopenm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk wrote: The GPS has several modes optimised for different use cases. The default one is suitable for ground-based vehicles, and sanity checks its output including speed and altitude. In a plane you are at insane speed and altitude for a ground vehicle ;-) I don't think ogpsd has an option to change this, so a feature request may be in order. http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/f6feed64aecde5888e7d51d653b2e39d.png (I have no idea how it does it or if it works but anyway, omgps seems to rock in another new way: http://code.google.com/p/omgps/ ) r It appears that omgps speaks U-BLOX so that may be how. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Om2009 testing release 4
On Thursday 21 May 2009 20:34:48 Angus Ainslie wrote: New features Improved call handling - should limit races in oeventsd Better list handling More consistent interface New paroli-illume theme - only change so far is to remove desktop switcher - wanted volunteer to change analog clock to digital - wanted different colour scheme ( maybe white on black to match the rest of paroli ? ) snip Just a thought but would the serenity theme do perhaps? It has a white on black Illume bar at least. solar.george signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community-driven redesign / new theme for Paroli
On Monday 18 May 2009 22:14:00 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 11:55:57PM +0300, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: ps. some thoughts I have right now: * SMS writing in landscape mode: one small (but readable) line for text and HUGE keyboard to be used with your fingers while walking I'd like to throw a dbus signal warning subscribing apps the phone is on landscape or portrait mode. I think one of the problem for the current GUI apps is not knowing hte orientation. And some way (another dbus signal) which apps (mokomaze) can use to disable screen rotation when they're running - it would be good for the active call (part of the) program to use this otherwise you never know what button you're pressing. solar.george (OK neither a paroli or a theme thought but i suppose a general useability one counts too) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community-driven redesign / new theme for Paroli
On Monday 18 May 2009 23:14:56 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 10:26:22PM +0100, George Brooke wrote: On Monday 18 May 2009 22:14:00 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 11:55:57PM +0300, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: ps. some thoughts I have right now: * SMS writing in landscape mode: one small (but readable) line for text and HUGE keyboard to be used with your fingers while walking I'd like to throw a dbus signal warning subscribing apps the phone is on landscape or portrait mode. I think one of the problem for the current GUI apps is not knowing hte orientation. And some way (another dbus signal) which apps (mokomaze) can use to disable screen rotation when they're running - it would be good for the active call (part of the) program to use this otherwise you never know what button you're pressing. Yeah, that too, but for the time being I just click on the desktop icon to toggle running omnewrotate or not (I have only disabled it for playing the addictive mokomaze) :) Rui Now I feel a bit of an idiot, i've been dropping to the command line and doing a killall omnewrotate before playing mokomaze (or letting anyone else play it) solar.george signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSM Firmware upgrade (was: Re: [Om2009] a community effort)
On Saturday 16 May 2009 18:13:39 Yorick Moko wrote: untar the image of http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing#uSD-card_Image and you'll know it... i'm quite sure 128MB will suffice the 512MB one, delivered with the FR surely will On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Adam Jimerson vend...@gmail.com wrote: How big of uSD card is needed to use the image to upgrade the GSM Firmware? george-laptop~/openmoko/fluid☮:du -h flash-moko11-2.image 271Mflash-moko11-2.image I think you'll need the 512meg one. solar.george signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Enlightenment and .desktop file (with autostarting)
On Wednesday 06 May 2009 19:04:58 Laszlo KREKACS wrote: Hi! I hope my questions are mainly rtfm ones, so someone can provide me the right links;) Short story: I installed om2009, and after I installed paroli from git. I could launch the new paroli (latest git) from command line. So I thought a little modification in /usr/share/paroli.desktop would be enough. I changed in the desktop file the Exec and TryExec line, but when I clicked on the Desktop button, nothing happened (didnt launch paroli). I even restarted the phone hoping it will magically load. But it loaded instead the old paroli application! even when no .desktop file existed for it. So I suspect there are definietly some caching mechanism inside E, and this is the reason why paroli failed to launch. Because when I changed every name in the .desktop file: Name, GenericName, Comment The icon magically begun to work. But when I start the phone the *old* paroli gets loaded. (I need to close it, and start the new one via the desktop button) So my question are: 1. Where are the autolaunching application defined (paroli starts automagically) 2. How can I force E to reload the .desktop file and execute it and not the old (cached) one. 3. How can I make sure the E autolaunch the right application? Any idea, documentation, comments are appreciated! Im playing since hours with this problem. Best regards, Laszlo Have a look in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ as there maybe a start script for paroli in there (just a guess as i know thats where zhone starts from) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: copy a file from smartphone to pc
On Tuesday 05 May 2009 14:25:23 Andreas Fischer wrote: Anas Alzouhbi wrote: Hello! I want to transfer a file from my smartphone to the pc, for exemple the file name is toto4 and the username of my pc is elzouebi I runned this command scp toto4 elzou...@192.168.0.200 , it created a file called elzou...@192.168.0.200 on the smartphone :( You forgot the trailing ':' - the command should read: scp toto4 elzou...@192.168.0.200: (the colon is what scp uses to detect a remote location, apparently) also I runned this command scp totot4 elzou...@192.168.0.200:sender, sender is a folder on my pc Is it a folder in the home folder of elzouebi, i.e. is it ~elzouebi/sender ? Else you have to give the full path after the colon. I obtained this error messaj WARNING: Ignoring unknown argument '-x' WARNING: Ignoring unknown argument '-oForwardAgent no' WARNING: Ignoring unknown argument '-oPermitLocalCommand no' WARNING: Ignoring unknown argument '-oClearAllForwardings yes' /usr/bin/dbclient: exited: Error connecting: Connection refused lost connection Is there a ssh server running on your home pc? what should I do, to copy a file from the smarphone to the pc Why not go the inverse road? Copy the file from your pc with: scp r...@192.168.0.202:/path/to/toto4 . If you're on Windows, you can also use WinSCP for that. Another usefull way to send files to your om is to setup a bonjour (zeroconf) IM account in pidgin on your phone and another on your desktop and then use that to send files between them (particularly good if you have different installs with different ssh keys and you don't want to keep editing your known_hosts file). solar.george signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Solar charger (was Re: News Openmoko Shop Pulster)
On Tuesday 05 May 2009 13:19:53 Robin Paulson wrote: 2009/5/5 Christian Gagneraud cgagner...@techworks.ie: Yeah, why not! :) I never went to the deep jungle, but i like to make trips in the wild, with just my bike and my tent, and the solar charger is the only solution to keep my GPS up and running for several days/weeks. or a hand-crank charger imo, this is a more reliable way of charging the battery - it'll work anywhere (in a building, underground, when it's raining), anytime (night) and is going to produce a bigger current than this size of solar panel does anyone know of any decent crank chargers that will output over usb? Some wind-up torches can charge mobile phones, I've emailed one place to see if they can tell me what power theirs can output but no reply yet. solar.george signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR,FSO] Serenity theme for illume
On Tuesday 05 May 2009 21:20:56 jeremy jozwik wrote: go to the category Use OM.2008 GTK-Theme on http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Tweaks or try this opkg install http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/armv4t/moko-gtk-theme_0.1 .0+svnr4734-r0_armv4t.opk opkg -force-depends install http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/Om2008.8/armv4t/moko-gtk-engine_0. 1.0+svnr4734-r0_armv4t.opk echo include \/usr/share/themes/Moko/gtk-2.0/gtkrc\ /home/root/.gtkrc-2.0 - jeremy On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 1:56 AM, Timo Jyrinki timo.jyri...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/5/5 Xavier Cremaschi omega.xav...@gmail.com: fresh new shr-testing, I restored serenity too, but my apps are grey (like a classical gtk widget). Also an e17 like theme from the shr-devel list. -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: [Shr-devel] gtk theme e17 style Date: Wednesday 15 Apr 2009 From: Bernd (Jesus McCloud) Prünster bernd.pruens...@gmail.com To: shr-devel shr-de...@projects.openmoko.org i discovered the following screenie at scap: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/071114f77f2687065a65f9d8a1f76bee.png it looks nice. since i am currently using shr unstable and the overall performance is tolerable - i am completely satisfied (it is called unstable, but it works a sexpected, although a little sluggish) i don't mind a littel speed impact my gtk apps are 17 bw styled. howto: 1) download http://www.suse-art.org/content/show.php/E17+B_and_W?content=95680 2) untar to /usr/share/themes 3) echo include \/usr/share/themes/B_and_W/gtk-2.0/gtkrc\ /home/root/.gtkrc-2.0 4) init 6 5) enjoy! br ___ Shr-devel mailing list shr-de...@projects.openmoko.org http://lists.projects.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-devel --- signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-Testing] Ebook reader?
On Wednesday 29 April 2009 18:58:39 Adam Jimerson wrote: Any one know if a ebook reader that works on SHR-Testing? I have tried FBreader but it seems to be broken * ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for fbreader: * gtk+-fastscaling (= 2.10.14) * * Package enca md5sum mismatch. Either the opkg or the package index are corrupt. Try 'opkg update'. if anyone knows of one that works then please point me in the right direction. Many thanks use -force-depends (i think -fastscaling is now the same as ordinary gtk+) solar.george signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-Testing] Wireless Frustration (was: Re: [SHR-Testing] /etc/network/interfaces edit question)
On Tuesday 28 April 2009 12:49:44 Helge Hafting wrote: Adam Jimerson wrote: Well it is nice to see that I am not the only person with this problem, for me Mofi doesn't even load, I am installing the one from opkg.org http://opkg.org to see if I have any better luck with it. I have trouble with wifi in SHR testing too. I suspect a kernel problem. I usually run wpa_supplicant. Failing that, I connect to WEP networks using iwlist iwconfig commands directly. Even these low-level tools fails most of the time. Occationally iwlist eth0 scan will work, but repeat the command and eth0 suddenly doesn't support scanning. And of course it won't ever connect to any access point. Similiarly, iwconfig may claim there is no support for setting the essid. Having low-level stuff like iwconfig fail is what makes me suspect a kernel problem. Try rmmod a6000 (I think thats the correct module) them modprobing it again as that some times works for me. solar.george signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[FSO based] Set Default Profile
Hi, Is there anyway to set one of the profiles to be loaded instead of the default immediately after boot-up, I tried simply replacing default.yaml in /etc/freesmartphone/opreferences/conf/phone/ but after that frameworkd failed to start. So, any ideas? solar.george signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Intone-video problems!! Help !
On Tuesday 14 April 2009 11:58:41 Robin Paulson wrote: 2009/4/14 c_c cchan...@yahoo.com: Well, seeing that there was a need for a video playing front end for mplayer - I thought I'll make a new app (based on Intone) that fulfills this need. Here are the problems I'm facing :- 1. I finally found out that I can create 2 windows using elementary, 1 for mplayer to play the video in (using -wid) and one for the controls. I've sized the windows to 640x400 for the window where the video shows up and 640x80 for the controls. But I can't seem to get to see the main window (the one that has the controls) at all. It works fine on my desktop - but I'm not using illume there. i think the config of illume on the neo forces windows to be maximised, so even if your windows is 20 x 20, it will fill the whole screen. either you need to modify this behaviour, or fit it all in one window i wanted to do a similar thing myself for an app i'm developing, but any parameters to place/size windows are ignored, afaics Maybe something could be done with dialogs - these don't seem to be maximised on my neo. solar.george signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Arora web browser (Qt issue?)
I can recreate this with arora 0.4 on my desktop by running it in Xephyr at 320x240 and it results in the following error (on the console I ran it from) QWidget::setMinimumSize: (/QMessageBox) Negative sizes (-160,334) are not possible Do you get something similar if you run arora from a console window? solar.george On Saturday 11 April 2009 16:12:36 Nicola Mfb wrote: For people using arora (in the past I heard of some debian users), may you check and report if you are able to reproduce this: *) launch arora *) press About Qt on the rightest menu (it's hidden but you can show it clicking on ) On my frerunner (gentoo/e-20090313/qt4.5.0/arora-0.5) the dialog is not showed and it's impossible to interact further and quit the application. Looking at qt sources I suspect an issue on devices with tiny resolution. This brings to me another question: how to force killing applications under e? Regards Nicola ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Arora web browser (Qt issue?)
Using 640x480 in xephyr fix the issue, but it persists on the freerunner even rotating the screen with xrandr, so it may reveal a problem for X with glamo, (or at least on my setup, as TS events are not rotated too and I did not dig about this yet). May you try on your device? Nicola Hmm it appears to work correctly if arora is starter after the screen was rotated (not if the screen is rotated after arora has started) it appears to go on working even when the screen has been rotated back to portrait. Of course these maybe different/incorrect as I can only run arora over X forwarding from my dektop atm as I'm using SHR-Testing on my FR. solar.george signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 'dead' neo
On Monday 13 April 2009 18:56:47 wim.delv...@adaptiveplanet.com wrote: Hi all, I want to 'revive' my 'neo' but as expected battery is completly empty .. so no recharge possible. I was looking for the cheapest way to put some charge in the device so it can work again. I was thinking about buying a new and compatible battery and charge again, but which batteries are compatible and can be found easily ? Other suggestions perhaps ? Thx W AFAIK the newer kernels should be able to boot just from the USB power so try connecting the FR to the charger, booting up without the battery in and replacing it when the FR has booted up fully. Also I remember reading somewhere about booting into the NOR u-boot and pressing the AUX button to keep it awake for a few minutes till it had charged enough to boot the OS. hope this helps, solar.george (the booting off just USB works on a recent shr testing but I can't speak for anything earlier) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Improved PyFlash 0.3
On Thursday 09 April 2009 16:16:22 Pander wrote: Hi all, An improved PyFlash application for learning words, sentences and other factual data via flashcards on your OpenMoko is out. However still in development, it can be installed and tested, see: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Pyflash and http://www.opkg.org/package_198.html It also works on your laptop or desktop. Feel free to send feedback, or beter yet, contribute collections of flashcards that can be packaged with it. Regards, Pander Could you make the ipk not require the extra fonts packages but just inform people that they will need them to view certain languages? Also could you make the pronunciation field line wrap please. thanks solar.george signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Solar charger
On Monday 30 March 2009 19:45:19 kimaidou wrote: Oh..did not know this... And why ? It is a real shame, no ? 2009/3/30 Bastian Muck bastian.m...@gmx.de -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 If Neo charged in suspend you would be right. But Neo does not charge in suspend. Greetungs Bastian It does (at least it appears to for me) solar.george signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR,FSO] Serenity theme for illume
Great! Could you add themeing for the wifi gadget to future versions as it doesn't appear with the current version (black on black) solar.george signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[SHR unstable] Vibrate on new message?
Hi, I've just got a new freerunner (I've been lurking on this list for a while but only just got a FR) and I'm using SHR unstable, the only problem (so far) that I've come across is that even on the silent profile there is not way to make the phone vibrate briefly when a new SMS arrives does anyone know of a way to do this? Thanks solar.george signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR unstable] Vibrate on new message?
How would I do that - does it mean changing to an FSO distro? solar.george On Saturday 28 March 2009 20:19:02 Johny Tenfinger wrote: Latest frameworkd (from few days ago) has message-vibration support added. You should try it ;) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: IRC conversation with Mirko from the Paroli team
On Thursday 12 March 2009 20:51:47 Eldon Koyle wrote: rant Openmoko (the company) doesn't have any responsibility to be open to the community. I personally do appreciate when they are, but I can see why they might want to be a little more closed. I think a lot of time is spent arguing with community members over things that aren't extremely important in the long-term. When it comes right down to it, there is no reason for them to tell us everything that is going on. Let them make their design decisions so that they can make better use of their time in accomplishing their goals, whatever they may be. Chances are you won't agree with some of their design goals. They can't please everyone, so they shouldn't try to. The beauty of open source is that you can change it however you want. If you disagree strongly enough, you make a fork or write something yourself. Companies involved in open source projects aren't involved solely for the sake of open source (although they are usually very good contributors). They have goals they are trying to accomplish -- like finally getting a usable software stack for a phone. They also have to make money somewhere. If by saving the effort of communicating with everyone who thinks it should be their business is allowing them to spend more time making a usable set of applications, more power to them. They are still giving you the source, and if you don't like something I'm sure patches are quite welcome. Look at what happens every time a hardware-related (ie. gta03) post occurs on this list: there is a very strong split between people who want mutually-exclusive features, followed by a lot of arguing about which is better, when it really comes down to a matter of preference (the resistive vs. capacitive argument reminds me a lot of the stereotypical vim vs. emacs comparison which is guaranteed to start a flamewar on any LUG mailing list). /rant Thank you very much someone needed to say something along those lines. solar.george signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Need for application like PC Suite from Nokia?
On Sunday 22 February 2009 09:54:01 Andreas Willich wrote: Hi List I am currently developing a PIM synchronization app for the Neo (https://projects.openmoko.org/projects/mokosync/ http://www.opkg.org/package_134.html ) After a mail from c_c (http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-f528198 ) I got the idea to extend it to an application like the PC Suite app from Nokia. So you can send SMS from your PC, edit the various settings for the different applications (TangoGPS, Navit, ...), install applications and transfer files between PC and Neo. How about simply providing an easy way to ssh -X forward the application from the phone, you could even read all the .desktop files on the device - this would mean that you wouldn't have to add a settings UI for each app to your program you could simply use the built-in one. solar.george signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: fyp in qemu?
On Sunday 22 February 2009 11:29:39 Kai Timmer wrote: 2009/2/20 Kai Timmer em...@kait.de: Please wait, programming the NAND flash... qemu: fatal: Trying to execute code outside RAM or ROM at 0x0004 [followed by a qemu register dump] Can someone at least tell me if i did something fundamentaly wrong or that this is a problem with the image? I am starting to get relly confused. Thanks, Thats probably because you're trying to write a gta02 image to the virtual gta01 and it won't fit on the (virtual) NAND, you can only use the smaller gta01 images with qemu and not all distros provide them. solar.george signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Need for application like PC Suite from Nokia?
On Sunday 22 February 2009 19:25:40 Andreas Willich wrote: Your idea is interesting. But as I am a lazy user, I want all my settings within one GUI. Additional I want to use the application under Windows. I have to use Windows and Office at my work and there I have the most time the neo connected with my PC. And the application is more targeting the not so experienced NEO/Linux users. Perhaps a little step forward to mass market compatible?. Regards Andreas The program could always include a xserver in the windows version, also maybe the main apps could have a shared settings gui but x forwarding would save having to create a new version for the settings manager each time a new app is released not to mention incompatibility if one of the apps change how they do their settings from one version to another. solar.george signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Over-quoting (was: Re: tangoGPS 0.9.5 is out)
I'm so tired of all that over-quoting and top-posting! Can't you people have a little respect for others? Take a look at RFC1855, at least it has some sane reasoning. Please allow me to quote RFC1855 at you; - A good rule of thumb: Be conservative in what you send and liberal in what you receive. Then maybe we can get on with freeing mobile phones. solar.george signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Forged Emails (was Obama — The Judas Goat)
On Sunday 25 January 2009 16:29:26 Jonathan Marsaud wrote: Why is it related to OpenMoko Community? *sigh* Its another one with faked headers (it also appeared on announce), don't see what they hope to achieve by targeting OM though. solar.george signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: tangoGPS 0.9.5 is out
On Sunday 25 January 2009 17:47:00 Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: Neil Jerram neiljer...@googlemail.com writes: The right client could handle that for you; as Google Mail (for example) does. But gmail is proprietary software so it doesn't count :-) KMail solar.george signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Someone stole my Neo Freerunner... :(
On Sunday 25 January 2009 23:47:07 fredrik normann wrote: This episode made me think of having some kind of tracking program. Don't worry, just wait until he turns up here asking for help with the phone he just stole... solar.george signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Strength int to bar conversion
On Monday 05 January 2009 23:07:39 arne anka wrote: not sure if feasible, but what about making it configurable to have either the bar chart or the number itself shown? the number still could be coloured depending on the level (red to green or so, drawing a string in different colours shouldn't be that expensive, shouldn't it?). You could even have a number of 'faded in' versions of each of the four bars to get a higher number different states. solar.george signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [GTA01 Qi] doku fuckup and SD-Boot problems
On Friday 02 January 2009 19:40:00 Tilman Baumann wrote: Hi, I have just flashed Qi and have two questions. First, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qi clearly states that the boot menu via power+aux will still work. I was sceptical about how that should work since gta01 has no NOR flash. But I trusted the source. Needless to say that there is no boot menu! Am I right in assuming that the wiki is just BS in this regard? If that is so, I like to change the text to warn others. Maybe just to warn people that its not true on the gta01. I have a feeling that you may need a debug board to restore a uboot in order to flash a new rootfs (I may be wrong though). solar.george signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
On Monday 29 December 2008 12:00:01 Michele Renda wrote: Hello to all I would like to know how do you like to read the phone number: I try to explain: when we read a phone number we usually like to separe it with some spaces or signs: for example in Italy when someone give me a mobile phone number I usually write: +39 347 123456 Or if it is a fixed number: +39 02 123456 or +39 011 123456 But I know in USA is more common something like: +1-212-123456 Please, who has some time, can you please write your country (Italy, France, etc.) and the way how usually is normal to read a phone number in your country (with international prefix) The format I use to descrive is this: +39 ### * or +1-###-* (where # replace a char, and * replace all remaining chars) Thank you a lot for your time Michele Renda Hi, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_conventions_for_writing_telephone_numbers#United_Kingdom is about what i'd use - if you need to use international codes then just drop the 0 and add +44 but that's not how i usually see numbers written. IIRC 08* numbers can't be used as +448* but i may be wrong. Also there will be the whole range of shorter operator codes which people may need to save if they have a lot of different ones for different things on their network (I'm assuming that your asking about this for the contacts lists). Hope this helps (instead of the opposite), solar.george signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
On Monday 29 December 2008 14:16:15 Carsten Haitzler wrote: 1234 5678 (call from the 02 area code - i.e. NSW only) I may be wrong but (at least in UK) you don't need to worry about the local version of the number as mobiles need the full version with area code. solar.george signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Debian] Foresight Linux
On Tuesday 16 December 2008 16:07:37 Alexandre Franke wrote: On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 4:09 PM, xaos x...@xaositects.com wrote: Has anyone checked out Foresight Linux's mobile interface? Looking at their interface for gnome (http://www.foresightlinux.org/img/screenshots/mobile-launcher.png) it looks like something that might fit for the Debian on OM distribution [anyone else ever notice how Debian on OpenMoko spells DOOM?(if a little liberal with the acronym anyway)]. I haven't played with that interface on a notebook, but I plan on it and will report my findings... They're using Ubuntu mobile interface so I guess we'd better get it from there if we want it in Debian. IIRC the ubuntu mobile launcher is clutter based and I don't believe that this runs on the freerunner. solar.george signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL
On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:01:47 +1100 Dale Maggee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tig wrote: Ok I will bite :) Q: Why did OM cross the road? A: To get to another toolkit :) Q: How many OM devs does it take to change a lightbulb? A: Well first we need to abandon the old lightbulb holder because at a later date we may not be able to plug a floodlight in, bring in a new lightbulb holder and adapt it to multiple floodlights, meanwhile the engineering team has realized that this will only run green floodlights and has started rewiring the whole house.. :) The burnt out lightbulb is due to be fixed at a later date :) Please not this is not a cue for a thread on lightbulb analogies :) Q: What is the difference between a professional photographer and OM user? A: The OM user has to flash more often :) Q: Why did the OM newbie log onto #openmoko? A: Because they had not read: a) the wiki and b) the topic As then they would know you slide your finder up on the keyboard to get the numbers to enter your sim pin. I will be here all week, try the salad :) Regards (apologies for posting via gmane moving e-mail around) Hehe, love the lightbulb one! Q: What's the difference between an iphone and a freerunner? A: One works but takes away your freedom, the other is free but needs your work Knock, Knock Who's There? A Neo User A Neo User Q: What did the Neo say to the insomniac? A: At least when you go to sleep you know you'll wake up! Ancient chinese proverb: Neo owner is man carrying wall charger And I've saved my favorite for last: Q: What's the difference between a brick and a freerunner? A: A brick isn't designed to make phone calls. ;) -Dale (All in good fun) Maybe these should appear on the splash screen of the Neos solar.george signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Introducing http://www.opkg.org
we need a web browser that's able to open .ipk links with an installer or the .ipk files in opkg.org are useless and people install stuff from community repos (unless there will be an opkg repository) What do you think? r Maybe something like apturl where you can install software from the repos by clicking on an apt://$package url on a website. As it only installs software from already configured repos you don't risk installing software from unknown sources. solar.george signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko on Design
On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:21:28 +0200 Jay Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's start simple. And grow. I know we can get there! Get where exactly? Got coordinates for that destination? Maybe Tango GPS can help trace the route? solar.george signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: posting
On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:59:28 -0800 ashley elphick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi, i would like to know how to post on this message board, i have recently aquired a neo 1973 and im having extreme difficluties! and i'd like to be able to ask for advice from fellow openmoko clients. many thanks ashley You are posting - you will get most replies if you don't use html messages. solar.george signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Battery life case design
These kind of devices produce that voltage in direct sunlight - but only if there is no load connected (open circuit voltage) - the connection to the device will pull the voltage down to circ. 5V. This is the same as with the larger panels - a 12V panel will produce 20V open circuit. solar.george On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 00:34:05 +0200 Francesco Cat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FR only accepts 100 or 500 mA current I think. So yes, it will be powered by it in the sense that the FR battery will have a longer life; but it should not be enought i think because the FR seems to need more than 100 mA and I don't think it will accept something like 250mA. It's 500 or 100. BTW: 6.58 Volts??? Strange... It should provide 5Volts to simulate a USB... 2008/7/2 Diego Fdez. Durán [EMAIL PROTECTED]: El mar, 01-07-2008 a las 13:22 -0700, steve escribió: A deeper back cover is an option. The cad files are open. I also thought of an external battery pack What about this: http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/travelpower/7d34/ ? The specs says: Output power: 6.58 Volts - 320 mA (max) in direct sunlight. Can it power the FreeRunner (power no just charge) ? ( maddogg sent me some stuff on it). Lots of ideas, too little time Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 7:17 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Battery life case design Mikko Rauhala wrote: ti, 2008-07-01 kello 14:35 +0200, Arne Zachlod kirjoitti: Im not sure, but I think with an even thicker phone there will be more no-geeks who dont care about the freeness who wont buy the phone only because its thick and heavy (and such a phone would be heavy). Actually reading the text you would have noticed he was suggesting for someone (maybe Openmoko, maybe not) to produce a large battery back as an optional accessory, so your criticism misses the point entirely. For myself, I would be at least somewhat interested (depending on bang per buck, of course; it's not a must-have for me), for largely the reasons the OP mentioned. That is, simply for getting to have more of it on more of the time doing useful stuff. Power management is obviously important regardless, as is getting decent standby time with the default battery. (If anyone would like to offer a short summary to the community on how cpufreq and suspend are progressing, that would be interesting.) Thankyou, that is exactly what I was suggesting. For instance, I was pretty excited over the ideas for the mybot program (is that what its called?) having a phone that alters its behaviour based on GPS and where you are I'd like to take that idea further and include WIFI so the phone also knows where it is based on what SSIDs it can find but can you imagine how long the phone would last with GPS and WIFI turned on?? kind of makes the idea a no go. Which is a shame as such functionality really goes a long way to make the phone a transparent and intelligent technology which you'd quickly be lost without... also its something that most other if all other phones do not do So in short if there is anyone who has the means to mass produce a new deeper back cover for the phone so we can have a large battery in it then I think it would be in our interest to pursue that. I'm sure as time goes on there will be many other great software ideas for the openmoko/gta02 that will require the goodies to be switched on at all times. I've had a gta02 for a few days now. It really interested me as a platform for my various codings. My old mobile was a P.O.S so I started using the gta02 as a phone straight away (which is fine with some tweaks). However, already I have the habbit of getting to work and plugging the gta02 into my PC's USB port thus whenever I leave the office for a while I usually leave my phone behind which completely defeats the idea of a mobile :-) Regards, Jon ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Diego Fdez. Durán [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.goedi.net GPG : 925C 9A21 7A11 3B13 6E43 50DB F579 D119 90D2 66BB ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Heller versus DC
Or maybe future US versions of the Freerunner should include a handgun builtin. solar.george from the UK On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 11:21:41 -0600 Joe Pfeiffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys, this is really, really off-topic in this forum. Please, the list traffic is heavy enough with items that are germaine, let's not get into this branch of politics ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Packaging third-party applications (Was: Meta Toolchain Release (2008 May))
How about a system like launchpad's PPA (Personal Package Archive) which allows developers to have their packages built automatically for all versions of ubuntu. This could have access to all of the libraries available through OE and any that you build your self - avoiding dependency problems in the toolchain and allowing users to get hold of the packages once built. solar.george ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: on screen keyboard enhaced
On Thu, 29 May 2008 22:42:41 +0200 christooss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of selected projects in google android is Writing pad which enables writing one word per stroke with on screen keyboard http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBOyGp25sSg What do you think. Could this be useful on OpenMoko? I think its really inovative usage of on screen keyboard. I could try to implement it on desktop machine and than when I get Freerunner port it to OpenMoko. How about this (http://www.strout.net/info/ideas/hexinput.html) looks like a good idea. solar.george ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Whats up with the freerunner mass production?
On Mon, 19 May 2008 15:12:12 -0700 steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hate logistics yet? I'm sure that some people enjoy organising stuff like that, I'm certainly not one of them! Good to know that the phone is beginning to materialise though, solar.george ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: My Openmoko blog is aimed at helping Freerunner users get started
Hi, It would be great if you could post instructions for emulating the new software solar.george On Mon, 19 May 2008 14:54:56 -0700 Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've just posted about the software update that has been discussed here today, so I figured I'd take this opportunity to tell you all about my blog: gettingstartedopenmoko.wordpress.com I welcome comments but please be gentle. I'm new to blogging. Seriously, feedback and suggestions are welcomed. Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: My Openmoko blog is aimed at helping Freerunner users get started
Great, It will need a custom kernel patched for the emulator it appears. George On Mon, 19 May 2008 16:42:43 -0700 Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah - I was thinking of that after I saw the questions regarding running OSA on Qemu. I'll post this as soon as I find out how to do this :-) Michael George Brooke wrote: Hi, It would be great if you could post instructions for emulating the new software solar.george On Mon, 19 May 2008 14:54:56 -0700 Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've just posted about the software update that has been discussed here today, so I figured I'd take this opportunity to tell you all about my blog: gettingstartedopenmoko.wordpress.com I welcome comments but please be gentle. I'm new to blogging. Seriously, feedback and suggestions are welcomed. Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Qemu image?
Hi people, could some one explain this to me, Is the OM image that you get when you build qemu with the mokomakefile fairly close to the system that will ship with the phone? Will the next software update completely replace this with a different interface? solar.george ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: clarification re easy OpenMoko updating for average consumer
On Thu, 15 May 2008 13:58:40 -0700 ian douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the case of the Freerunner though, if updates are available, we should give the user the option of upgrading everything automagically, without ever prompting them, or letting them manually update. We should disable this on GRPS/GSM unless the user specifically asks for it as it would cost quite a lot to download all updates over the mobile network. Also maybe doing major updates while on battery should be disabled (certainly while battery is low) just to avoid any problems (bricked phone) solar.george ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Root password and ssh?
On Tue, 13 May 2008 23:03:45 +0100 andy selby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are correct, the root account on the phone has a blank password, Maybe part of the getting started manual could include setting up pubkey authentication and disabling password logins (at least for the wifi maybe they could still be allowed over usb - not sure if that's possible). I think that the ip address is always the same to make using eth over usb simpler - the wifi should pickup its address from dhcp (or from a static config). solar.george ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Root password and ssh?
Hi, am i right in thinking that the root account on the openmoko has no password - if so is that not quite a large security hole what with wifi and sshd being enabled, or is sshd only available over usb? solar.george ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
