Re: om-manager 0.1.0 released
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 10:46 AM, KaZeR ka...@altern.org wrote: Woopsie. Looks like i sent a blank mail, apologies. I tried it under windows : i had to create the app\log directory, or it would fail. ( IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'D:\\OM\\om-manager_00.01.00.tar\\dist\\om-manager\\app\\log\\program.log' ) Now, it fails probably because of a path setting : ImportError: No module named wx I have installed wxwidgets-2.8.9, from the MSI file. What did i miss? Looks like i need to export a path, but which? Thanks in advance, this apps looks interesting! First of all, there is wxWidgets (http://www.wxwidgets.org/) and wxPython ( http://wxpython.org/) wxPython is basically Python bindings to wxwdgets (since wxWidgets is the C++ Library, it can't be used directly by Python). So, if you have installed wxWidgets (that is C++ library), you should insall wxPython and should feel free to remove wxWidgets (if You don't use it for something else, of course). If You have installed wxPython and have several Python versions installed, you could check that you're installed wxPython for same Python interpriter that you have in `PATH` (that python that is executed by 'python' command in shell). For my Windows installations I've always used wxPython from installer andit worked fine. And thank You for report. Haven't checked this one. Fill fix soon (0.1.1 will contain some fixes inspired by this mailing list plus py2exe wrap of program itself). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: om-manager 0.1.0 released
Thanks for the clarification. I installed wxPython, but now it complains about yaml. Would you happen to have a full list of what's needed to use om-manager? About Yaml, is it this one? http://pyyaml.org/ You can find full list at the main page of project ( http://code.google.com/p/om-manager/ ). With links to download pages of given projects (see 'Links' section at right on the main page of project). And yes, its http://pyyaml.org/ . ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: om-manager 0.1.0 released
Uh, right. Three comments, after 10 seconds of use : - nice Thanks! [grin] - detect user's homedir, instead of defaulting to /Users/ilya/Documents ? Sorry, distro wrapper didn't erase plugin configs before er... creating distribution. (I only use svn checkout, really). Its pointed to user's 'Documents' folder by default (home dir on my Debian box). - what about proposing links to distro / kernels downloads? With maybe download of rootfs/kernel from the app? This cold be nice. Currently I'm fixing distro wrapping script and trying to add windows executable to distributions. I'll add Your proposal to Suggestion/Issue list ( http://code.google.com/p/om-manager/issues/list ). Hopefully I or someone else will have time to implement it [I am currently considering about possibility of starting another om-related proect, now on the phone itself]. You can join too, of course. [grin] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: om-manager 0.1.0 released
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 8:46 PM, Yorick Moko yorickm...@gmail.com wrote: I installed python 3.0 on windows xp (sp3) from http://www.python.org/ftp/python/3.0/python-3.0.msi but when i try to run it I get F:\temp\dist\om-manager\apprun.py File F:\temp\dist\om-manager\app\run.py, line 78 print usage ^ SyntaxError: invalid syntax I'm probably doing something wrong. No, you're doing everything right. It's just that I haven't any time to run it on different Python major versions. It should be easy enough to adapt code to Python 3k. Quite likely it all adaptation will likely to consist of replacing print ... statements with print(...). And it's likely that there one or two places where print is used at all. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: om-manager 0.1.0 released
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 10:22 PM, Lech Karol Pawłaszek i...@szluug.orgwrote: Bernd (Jesus McCloud) Prünster wrote: [...] Not that i think it has much to do with your error, but you do know how windows handles ssh? (the answer is: not at all, because windows doesn't know ssh or anything alse that is absolutely fundemantal regarding networking, so you have to use puTTY, although, the program should at least start..) i goint to try it out tomorrow under vista and under debian The program uses paramiko library so one doesn't need ssh client binary. om-manager is nice. I was about to write something similar - like a host computer utility in python (but using Tkinter instead of wx) which connects to Freerunner and executes commands however mine was intended to mimic Debian's reportbug utility. Right now we have so many distributions, bootloaders and kernels that sometimes it's hard to reproduce the environment. I'm thinking about automation of gathering informations about a bug process. `uname -a`, `opkg list_installed` `cat /sys/magic/something`. If you don't mind Ilja I'll try to use your om-manager as a base for my work. As I see om-manager is plugins-capable so I hope all I want to achieve will be only a plugin for your program. ;-) Well. That's just a plan for Christmas holidays... I would be happy to see anyone contributing. As far as I can see, LogRetreiver plugin could be nice basis for developing such functionality (currently it acquires verious log files/outputs. such as dmesg and /var/log/syslog). Feel free to contact me for any kind of help or support (and inclusion of you into project itself). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: om-manager 0.1.0 released
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 9:05 PM, Yorick Moko yorickm...@gmail.com wrote: downloaded the 2.6.1 and now i get: F:\temp\dist\om-manager\apprun.py Traceback (most recent call last): File F:\temp\dist\om-manager\app\run.py, line 7, in module from app import logger, gui ImportError: No module named app On windows use run.bat in the root\om-manager ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: om-manager 0.1.0 released
On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 10:44 PM, Ilja O. vrgh...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 10:22 PM, Lech Karol Pawłaszek i...@szluug.orgwrote: Bernd (Jesus McCloud) Prünster wrote: [...] Not that i think it has much to do with your error, but you do know how windows handles ssh? (the answer is: not at all, because windows doesn't know ssh or anything alse that is absolutely fundemantal regarding networking, so you have to use puTTY, although, the program should at least start..) i goint to try it out tomorrow under vista and under debian The program uses paramiko library so one doesn't need ssh client binary. om-manager is nice. I was about to write something similar - like a host computer utility in python (but using Tkinter instead of wx) which connects to Freerunner and executes commands however mine was intended to mimic Debian's reportbug utility. Right now we have so many distributions, bootloaders and kernels that sometimes it's hard to reproduce the environment. I'm thinking about automation of gathering informations about a bug process. `uname -a`, `opkg list_installed` `cat /sys/magic/something`. If you don't mind Ilja I'll try to use your om-manager as a base for my work. As I see om-manager is plugins-capable so I hope all I want to achieve will be only a plugin for your program. ;-) Well. That's just a plan for Christmas holidays... I would be happy to see anyone contributing. As far as I can see, LogRetreiver plugin could be nice basis for developing such functionality (currently it acquires verious log files/outputs. such as dmesg and /var/log/syslog). Feel free to contact me for any kind of help or support (and inclusion of you into project itself). In fact, I'll really look forward to you questions. It would allow me to start writing developer documentation (I haven't done it until now and hence have hard time imagining what should be written and what could be omitted. Since I'm not capable writing everything) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: om-manager 0.1.0 released
On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 11:02 PM, Petr Vanek van...@penguin.cz wrote:
I'm happy to announce that I've finally managed to push out 0.1.0
version of om-manager.
Wanted to try but:
van...@laptop-vanek:~/FreeRunner/manager/dist/om-manager$ ./run.sh
= UNHALTED EXCEPTION =
Traceback (most recent call last):
File ./app/run.py, line 92, in module
run(sys.argv[1:])
File ./app/run.py, line 86, in run
_app.run()
File
/home/vanous/FreeRunner/manager/dist/om-manager/app/appRoot.py, line
79, in run self.showMainWindow() File
/home/vanous/FreeRunner/manager/dist/om-manager/app/appRoot.py, line
97, in showMainWindow from .gui import main as mainForm File
/home/vanous/FreeRunner/manager/dist/om-manager/app/gui/main.py, line
3, in module from .xrc.main_xrc import xrcMain File
/home/vanous/FreeRunner/manager/dist/om-manager/app/gui/xrc/__init__.py,
line 15, in module initAllMainModules() File
/home/vanous/FreeRunner/manager/dist/om-manager/app/gui/xrc/__init__.py,
line 13, in initAllMainModules utils.initModule(_modName % _name,
os.path.join(_curDir, _file)) File
/home/vanous/FreeRunner/manager/dist/om-manager/app/util/xrc/__init__.py,
line 49, in initModule _res = loadXrcFile(_xrcfile) File
/home/vanous/FreeRunner/manager/dist/om-manager/app/util/xrc/__init__.py,
line 26, in loadXrcFile _res.InsertHandler(_handle()) File
/home/vanous/FreeRunner/manager/dist/om-manager/app/util/side/xh_gizmos.py,
line 94, in __init__ self.AddStyle('wxDEFAULT_COL_WIDTH',
gizmos.DEFAULT_COL_WIDTH) AttributeError: 'module' object has no
attribute 'DEFAULT_COL_WIDTH' = END =---
van...@laptop-vanek:~/FreeRunner/manager/dist/om-manager$ python
--version Python 2.5.2
van...@laptop-vanek:~/FreeRunner/manager/dist/om-manager$ aptitude show
python-wxgtk2.6 Package: python-wxgtk2.6
State: installed
Automatically installed: no
Version: 2.6.3.2.2-3
van...@laptop-vanek:~/FreeRunner/manager/dist/om-manager$ uname -a
Linux laptop-vanek 2.6.27-7-generic #1 SMP Thu Oct 30 04:18:38 UTC 2008
i686 GNU/Linux
van...@laptop-vanek:~/FreeRunner/manager/dist/om-manager$
cat /etc/debian_version
5.0
Any idea what's wrong here?
Try to upgrade to latest wx (2.8.*). Just checked from my debian box --
program starts up nicely.
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om-manager 0.1.0 released
Hello. I'm happy to announce that I've finally managed to push out 0.1.0 version of om-manager. Om-manager is host computer-based Freerunner controlling utility. Currently it's able to flash Freeruner smartphone (dfu-util required), get logs, backup filesystem parts (to archive file on host computer) also it implements simple opkg package manager and remote control via VNC (x11vnc package on phone is required). All functionality (except Flashing) is implemented trough SSH connection and does not require any extra programs installed on phone itself (except ones that are needed to perform specefied tasks, e.g. vnc server or opkg utility). Whole application is pure Python. Project home: http://code.google.com/p/om-manager/ Please, if somebody is willing to check it -- do it. I would be really happy to see any feedback from any other people -- about usability, functionality or coding style. It took me quite a while to do it, but have a mercy -- I'm doing it alone. I've personally used it on Windows, Linux and OSX. So I guess they can be defined as officially supported operating systems. Thank you. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: *new version* A little zenity-gui for flashing images to the neo
On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 4:13 AM, fredrik normann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 8:34 AM, Dale Maggee [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I have been developing small python wx-based gui that currently can be used for flashing, log data obtaining and is able to do some backup (last two via ssh). I'd be glad to share if you want. (Just will need to do some docstrings). yeah, I'd be really interested in seeing it! I don't really know any python yet, but I've looked into it a little bit lately, and I've decided I want to learn it, so if you share what you have it will probably help my learning and I can probably contribute to it. I thought about doing this in Python aswell. I got enought time, so if you want to share what you've done so fare, that would be great. Okay. I didn't really expected that somebody would be interested. Than, what project hosting is preferably used by OM community? Is it http://projects.openmoko.org/ ? Or something else? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: *new version* A little zenity-gui for flashing images to the neo
On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 5:13 AM, Charles Pax [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So at some point here I'm guessing Zenity will have to be dropped in favor of maybe a Python + Glade combination. Is anyone out there capable and willing to do such a thing? It should probably happen sooner rather than later. I have been developing small python wx-based gui that currently can be used for flashing, log data obtaining and is able to do some backup (last two via ssh). I'd be glad to share if you want. (Just will need to do some docstrings). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Disabling keyboard auto-complete
Hi all.
I've found a way to completely disable keyboard's auto-prediction (or s it
auto-complete?) feature.
do via shell:
{{{
echo /opt/Qtopia/etc/dict/en_US/common.dawg
echo /opt/Qtopia/etc/dict/en_US/words.dawg
}}}
then restart X (or phone) and enjoy this feature completely destroyed.
Note that you won't be able to enable it back via GUI.
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Re: No GSM 2008.08 testing
I've received Freerunner and istalled testing daily build today. Same error here. Also, it's nice that no package depends on qtopia-phone-x11-composer-emailcomposer, qtopia-phone-x11-composer-genericcomposer, qtopia-phone-x11-composer-mmscomposer, qtopia-phone-x11-viewer-genericviewer, qtopia-phone-x11-viewer-smilviewer. At least not qtopia mail and dialer. It was truly linux-way quest to discover theese application (caller and mailer) need in those libraries. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: InvibleShield at ZAGG : swindling ?!?
I've got confirmation @ Jul 24 Your item has been shipped message @ Jul 28 And received it today (11 Aug). That's in Europe. Quite slow, but you'll eventually get it. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
InvisibleShield discounts!
Hello there. I've ordered Full body protectors for Freerunner, and they gave me two discount (20%) codes. Here they are: 6lcdcr , jla5nt . Take them and use them wisely. (If you've used one, please write back to community there would be no discount code collision). Btw, cite The discount will expire in 30 days. /cite Good luck! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: order from pulster
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 1:33 PM, Alexander Steinert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Daniel Selinger, Mon 2008-07-21 12:16 CEST: I have a small question. I ordered a freerunner @ pulster on 27th of june. Until now i just got an autoreply from their orderingsystem. Got no paying info, information when i can expect the phone or anything else. Same for me. The autoreply was sent 2008-06-27 19:06 CEST. Same here too. Jul 1, 2008 at 7:04 PM ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Why not use votation system?
Openmoko has already embedded voting system. Named If you want it -- write it ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Anyone working on a cron port?
On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 3:41 PM, Peter J. Holzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2008-06-15 02:29:48 -0700, ian douglas wrote: Suppose I could check the project page, but it's 2:30am and I'm tired and lazy. I was updating and installing some software on my Freerunner tonight to test mp3 playback and noticed again that there's still no mention of a cron engine in the opkg library. Anybody know if it's being worked on? I think that'd be an especially handy tool to have. I'd go so far as to call it 'essential', at least in my circumstance. I think a straight port of cron would be simple but not very useful. Cron is really designed for computers which run 24/7. A cron-like tool for a phone (or any other device which is suspended most of the time) at least needs the ability to wake up the device in time for a scheduled job to run and go back to suspend mode after it has finished. But many jobs usually don't need to run at a fixed time. They can just run the next time the device is woken up by the user. Or the next time the device has AC power. Maybe straight port of anacron will do? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: debug board price change to 99 eur
Thank you. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA03: New case? Bigger screen!
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Re: Dual SIM?
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Re: resolution preferences??
I'm sorry to break into your nice flamewar, but I've just wanted to ask: pro-QVGA people, are you serious? In two years (yep, that's when GTA03 will be released judging by GTA01-02) QVGA will be just like floppy drives on notebooks - totally non completive. And won't be because everybody *really needs* =VGA resolution and can't survive with lower one. It will be just because everybody on the block is hi-res. Same thing happened lots times in IT: remember ATA to SATA switch? Do you really think that home users wouldn't be able to stick with good old ATA? Quard core processors? New sockets? Usb 2.0 1.1 ? You think that we couldn't live without these upgrades? Making fonts bigger via lowering the screen resolution is total nonsense. And hi-res tranflective screens will be available in less than a year. Btw, QVGA won't cost much less (it doesn't now and in two years it could be, in fact, more expensive than VGA). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: regarding the 'data security' thread recently
About data wipe: I was thinking -- doesn't eny SIM card have some kind of ID number? And if they do, do we have software way to obtain it? Phone could wipe itself if another SIM card is inserted AND upon SMS message receiving. If you have several SIM cards, than we could create simple SIM card whilelist. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: regarding the 'data security' thread recently
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Federico Lorenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suppose the cell phone number should be more then unique enough. Yup. But I don't know if we're able to obtain it (don't see reason to RTFM before obtaining of Freerunner). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: regarding the 'data security' thread recently
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 4:08 PM, Benedikt Schindler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ilja O. schrieb: About data wipe: I was thinking -- doesn't eny SIM card have some kind of ID number? And if they do, do we have software way to obtain it? Phone could wipe itself if another SIM card is inserted AND upon SMS message receiving. If you have several SIM cards, than we could create simple SIM card whilelist. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ... by the way : to what phonenumber will you send a sms when the thief has replaced the sim card? you could also test, if there is the selected SIM card in the phone. and if not, you send the GPS-Data of the phone every 10 minutes per sms to a pre given phonenumber. so you could find your phone. (and you have the phonenumber of the thief :) ) If i think about it, we should just send every 30min. because it would be annoying to recive a sms every 10 min. This have already been discussed. but all these things are just functional if you are the only one who have implimented that feature. That's the bad side of the open source thing. If you put it in the general source tree, everyone knows where he had to put his SIM card numbers, so the phone think everthing is allright. If phone will wipe itself if no authorized SIM is present (and program starts as daemon, of course), than it won't be real security hole. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debug Board v3 (GTA02) now available
On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 3:12 AM, Bastian Muck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess that there are many things which let the price raise. 61€ + 19% vat = 73€ Then you have to add shipping to germany. And in germany you have to grant a warranty of at least 24 month for technical equipment. Usually Christoph Pulster has fair prices. But how they manage to sell Freerunners for 299€ than? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debug Board v3 (GTA02) now available
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 1:52 PM, Christoph Pulster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello community, may I add that I have the debug board now in my shop: http://www.pulster.de/engl/ index.html?d__omdebug__Openmoko_Debug_Board_Version_v3747.htm It's version 3 belonging to GTA02 Freerunner... EUR 149.00 Are you sure that that's not misprint? (Just a bit bigger extra charge when comparing with Freerunner, afaicu) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: InvisibleShield screen protectors
I couldn't find predefined protector[s] for neo (not really a surprise, really). So, how to obtain one of these for Freerunner? We have CAD files, so I don't see problems with measuring case or screen. What should I (or we) do to obtain screen protector (or better -- full body one)? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Cleared to start Mass production
I can see death looking carefully at my piggy bank. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: new iphone
On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 2:21 AM, Christian Benke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good evening! So who of you is thinking about buying the new iphone instead of an openmoko in case the technical specs really improve(3G, better resolution)? Nope Well, first of all, iphone is not sold legally in my country of living. Then, I do not want to use phone, that requires me to pay for changing the ring tone. And since I'm myself am a developer, I don't like to steal software at all (imho that's just not right thing to do -- to steal something that I'm myself is being paid for). Imho, freedom is much more valuable than any piece of hardware (Although I'm not against shareware). And Freerunners' is not so bad. As for OM, i'll wait till the end of summer. If phone won't be out, than it's never will be out, so I'll bury OM deep beneath the ground (let's face it -- there are similar projects, none of them is as open as OM, but OM is not releasing phone yet). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Private data protection.
On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 11:55 AM, Esben Stien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rahul Joshi [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The very first thing a phone thief does is throw away the SIM. That's why, if a presence security code is not typed in every nth hour, the phone starts transmitting secretly its location over all available networks to your home system;). We need GNU radio in this device, so that we can implement a tracking beacon way to find the phone. Also portable self-destruction hardware would be nice. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Private data protection.
On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 11:55 AM, Esben Stien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rahul Joshi [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The very first thing a phone thief does is throw away the SIM. That's why, if a presence security code is not typed in every nth hour, the phone starts transmitting secretly its location over all available networks to your home system;). Current phone number would be enough information. SMS to a friend that gives this number to you... Also it must do so every on poweron event. E.g. if phone haven't been shacked the right way. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Private data protection.
On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 2:34 PM, Philippe Guillebert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ilja O. wrote: Who says that this password will be created by human? Program should generate it automatically, shows it to user, user writes (or prints) it and saves in piggy bank hoping he will not need it at all. This function will be used so rare that there is not point in creating rememberable passwords. Hi, And then, when he doesn't have the neo anymore, he have to find where the he put the code, run to a friend's with the piece of paper, hey can I send an SMS ?, copy 160 random characters from a piece of paper with a crappy input method on the friend's phone and hope he didn't misspell a single bit of it or the whole process would be useless. Yeah, sounds very doable... You can store this in file. Or we append simple hash to key itself. Remembering one more password is much worse (it becomes even worser when you remember that this password will be used (at most) only one time. Who will be able to remember such password for an event with such probability?). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Private data protection.
On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 6:43 PM, Esben Stien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ilja O. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Current phone number would be enough information. SMS to a friend that gives this number to you... It's like being at a party and your lighter is gone. You need a homing device to pin point which pocket it's in;). Maybe another solution here is to have an RFID on it, so you can swipe everybodys' pockets;). And portable thermonuclear bomb. Just in case. (Well, phone is already hand interface to several orbital atomic clocks, isn't it?) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: atomic clock / radio-receiver chip
On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 9:26 PM, cdr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And portable thermonuclear bomb. Just in case. (Well, phone is already hand interface to several orbital atomic clocks, isn't it?) the atomic clock(s) arent orbiting the earth, But why there are no clocks at the orbit? They could be useful enough. E.g. if there are several of them each on predefined geostationary orbit we could do lots of useful things with them! For example, we could prove that general relativity indeed exists (although ionosphere would likely to spoil party at some degree). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: atomic clock / radio-receiver chip
Huh, I'm a little confused about whats being spoken about here, but the GPS satellites are effectively giant orbiting atomic clocks, its the basis of GPS. Hey, According to wikipedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPS ), every GPS satellite carries an atomic clock, providing every receiver on earth with really precise clock. The radio clock systems you describe are different and kinda useless when you have GPS onboard. As an engineer I'm stunned by the level of performance achieved of the GPS system : the description of Einstein's relativity compensation on the WP article is really scary :) Doh, people. You've spoiled all the fun! :( ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Private data protection.
On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 1:49 PM, Rahul Joshi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The very first thing a phone thief does is throw away the SIM. No SIM, No SMS, No protection.. erm.. destruction :) When my friends phone got stolen it happened the other way - some people. whose numbers were in his phone book, started to receive calls and messages with abuse. That's not nice thing to experience. And this daemon will perform just nice even if SIM card was changed. All you need to know is phone's current number. And some carriers (as I have heard, haven't checked myself) can provide you with such information it if you have registered your phone IMEI (aka written paper to carrier that Phone with such IMEI belongs to me). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Private data protection.
On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 2:04 AM, Vinc Duran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You could make it longer too. I mean you could require receiving multiple sms's. It could be a very long key. Why bother? Even using only alphanumeric characters (I've counted 62 characters) there are more than 10^216 possible keys [1]. That means that somebody would want to break this system and would be sending to you 1 message per second it would require him about 3*10^207 years just to reach 10% probability of sending correct key. (Or about 10^216 years to get 0.5% probability). That will never happen. And I think that you'll get suspicious receiving long meaningless messages all these years. (Also phone will quite likely to become too old to use with cellular networks by that time. [1] 12218073680353548058922335026733971922245990750848866696225357980522800709073153600165928612142210232085454876524842926435178601087679967305970361415808918724004919642128974801342733314107009534358023113252274176 to be exact. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: using the openmoko neo101 in mass storage mode
(warning: wild speculation) Does the GTA03 not have flash? If so, you could partition the SD card, and then only unmount the partition used for media storage. wild speculation Having two memory card slots (one for OS, one easy accessible for usage with changeable memory cards) could be nicer than standard (current) architecture. You flush operating system with simple card reader. Ant this eliminates need in backup OS (currently stored in NOR flash, afaik). Also this would make phones' main memory easy expandable. It sounds nice! /wild speculation ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Private data protection.
On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 6:32 PM, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I read an provocative estimate a year or so ago that each extra character of a password adds only on average 1.5 bits of entropy to it. ~ Considering how most passwords are formed from dictionary words, albeit slightly modified or appended, it sounds about right. Who says that this password will be created by human? Program should generate it automatically, shows it to user, user writes (or prints) it and saves in piggy bank hoping he will not need it at all. This function will be used so rare that there is not point in creating rememberable passwords. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Private data protection.
On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 8:13 PM, Rahul Joshi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm no security expert but I'm pretty sure a lightweight 8 bit salt encryption (security guys?) can give any dektop pc software enough trouble to abort the attempt of trying to read a 256 meg worth of datacard, unless it really belongs to the director operations FBI ;) shamelesly edited copy from wikipedia Assume a user's secret key is stolen and he is known to use one of 200,000 English words as his password. The system uses a 8-bit salt. The amount of combinations is 256*20 = 5120. /shamelesly copy from wikipedia If attacker chacks one hash per second and has 64-core beowulf cluster it will require 9 days to check all possible combinations. That's not so much, imo. Also, processors are cheap these days one guy [1] has build 96-core machine (for unknown price). [1] http://helmer.sfe.se/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Private data protection.
Also, processors are cheap these days one guy [1] has build 96-core machine (for unknown price). Sorry. That's 24 cores. He's planning to build 96-core next. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Private data protection.
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 4:17 PM, Christoph Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ilja O. wrote: 1) Auth using PIN number (this requires encrypted image presence in phone file system by it's boot time end -- not reallyl convenient if SD card is used). IMO encrypting Data with the PIN Number is not such a good thing, because the possibilities of different keys are definately not high (max 8 digits, only numbers). A better solution would be to save the PIN on the encrypted storage and automatically read it. I don't see point in making secure protection from somebody that has stolen phone to obtain your data, since anything that phones' CPU will be able to encrypt/decrypt without draining battery much faster than it should be. I'm telling about making protection from phone thief, that simply has stolen your phone and is now trying to power it up and obtain any easily accessible plain data. And for this aim almost any encryption will do. To protect yourself from data thiefs the best way, imho, would be to program a daemon that wipes out all phone memory when phone receives an SMS message with predefined contents. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Private data protection.
I don't see point in making secure protection from somebody that has stolen phone to obtain your data, since anything that phones' CPU will be able to encrypt/decrypt without draining battery much faster than it should be. ... Can be decrypted using desktop PC (or cluster of them) quite easily and fast. Sorry, lost my thought somewhere in the middle. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Private data protection.
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 9:27 PM, Ian Darwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vinc Duran wrote: I like the stolen phone sms message. Me too. When can I start erasing the phones of people I don't like? :-) You'll have to try hard to guess 120 random alphanumeric (at least) characters. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Private data protection.
Hello. Recent Lifehacher article [1] rose a privacy-related question in my head -- how to protect user personal data if phone is stolen? First of all - I assume that phone was stolen for it's physical contents (and not to steal your data), so attacker will likely just to turn it on, and won't attempt any more sophisticated type of attack. What could be done to prevent such attacker from obtaining of e.g. my saved browser sessions? Personally I can see three easy ways of protection (aka without entry of additional passwords and physically connection of key-congaing storage devices). Both include have having some kind of encrypted file system image stored in phone file system. Of course it should use key-based encryption, so the main challenge is to provide easy way to enter key (without need to remember any new meaningless number-digit mumbo-jumbo password). 1) Auth using PIN number (this requires encrypted image presence in phone file system by it's boot time end -- not reallyl convenient if SD card is used). 2) Auth using key file accessible on network (when phone is connected to your computer or local network). This means that auth can be performed only in your place (home, work...). 3) Auth using presence of another bluetooth or WiFi device (the MAC address of this device is used as key). This means that phone fully unlocks when your bluetooth mouse or router are around. ;) AFAIK the best way to use such encrypted data in device like mobile phone (taking in account that any kind of encryption requires processor and processor requires electricity), it would be nice to create temporary file system in phones' RAM, copy encrypted data to it (during the copy also unencrypting it) and make applications to use data from RAM while operating the phone. But how to sync data from RAM back to encrypted file system? By the way, I'm writing this mail just to ask - does anyone has any other ideas or proposals? Or, maybe, it is already implemented, tested and I'm inventing bicice? [1] http://lifehacker.com/393336/protect-your-stolen-mobile-phone ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Group Sales Page
On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Dirk Deimeke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, still giving a 404 to me. can you see the main page http://wiki.openmoko.org/ without error? It redirects to http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/index.cgi Routing problem? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Invest in automated build system (and one extra person to manageit) SOON
Or somebody could set up a build server at home that automatically updates a wiki status.. I have quite powerfull server at my home (Phenom 9600, 4 gigs of ram, Debian, *lots* of free space) that is idling most of the time. So, if somebody would help me to setup build environement (or at least instruct how to integrate it to existing ifrastructure), than I could do it. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 10 or more phones order
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 11:45 PM, Federico Lorenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Haha, one of the bests laughs I've had on here! Although I'm pretty
sure it violates PEP 346356 which clearly states that thou should not
use exec and base64 :)
If you think that python one-liner without base64 is better, here it is:
(lambda f=(lambda n, v: globals().update({n: v})): f(set, f))() or
set(wr, lambda v:
__import__(sys).stdout.write(str(v).strip()+\n)) or
set(phone_count, 42) or wr(Please order %s % , .join([BOX for
_i in xrange(phone_count // 10)] + [SINGLE for _i in
xrange(phone_count % 10)]))
Have a nice day. ;)
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Re: 10 or more phones order
I just can't leave it like that. :-) if (phones_ordered % 10 * PRICE_1 PRICE_10_PACK) phones_ordered += 10 - phones_ordered % 10; Is this really necessary? what this code is for? And where are comments? :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 10 or more phones order
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Federico Lorenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And why is it not in Python? It would be too easy to read. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 10 or more phones order
So why's it not in Perl then, You could do all that in a simple one-liner... ;o) I don't know Perl :( But I could try to write on z/OS HLASM. Or Erlang... Btw, it could be simple one-liner in Python too. Like this: phone_count = 42 _orders = [BOX for _i in xrange(phone_count // 10)] + [SINGLE for _i in xrange(phone_count % 10)] print(Please, order %s % , .join(_orders)) Or if you want REALLY python one-liner: exec(eJwryMjPS41Pzi/NK1GwVTAx4orPL0pJLSoGcqKVnPwjlBTS8osU4jMVMvMUKooS89JTNQqQtOjrKxgaaMYqaANVB3v6ufu4EtCgClbPVVCUmVeioRSQk5pYnKqjALZTQbVYCSivpKOgpJeVn5mnAXWKpiYAGp0z4g==.decode(base64).decode(zip)) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Group sales: Riga/Latvia
Hello. I've started group sales section for Riga/Latvia ( http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales#Latvia ). Please, join. Prove that I'm not alone. Cheers. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner will be GTA02v5 or GTA02v6? (was: Fwd: Future Button and LED software spec)
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 10:07 PM, Andrea Debortoli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think nobody will buy a GTA02v5 knowing that a better revision will be available some days after... I will. I also will learn a bit of electronics to fix it. (Since for me it's fun to learn new things... Ant i also really want get Neo. Waiting another month or two is not fun.) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSoC 2008
Seems that hardware is quite likely to become available before summer. (This is only my opinion and I'm not related to Openmoko otherwise than being listed in community and kernel mailing lists). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GSoC ideas discussion (again)
Hi all. I'm currently assembling GSoC proposal (student-side, Openmoko-related of course). I gave some thought to the projects themes, and here what I can see as projects, that I'd like to do (list sorted by 'me want to do this' in decreasing order). 1) Accelerometer gestures 2) Two USB device mode (Is this correct mode name?) -- NIC (as it is now) and HDD. 3) Samba sharing 4) Incoming call management - ban cumbers (drop or do not pick up) auto-reply with SMS, etc... (1) - I really,really want to do this! but since I'm not as cool and smart as I'd like to be [1], it is quite likely that this project will be given to somebody more experienced than me. (2) - yes, USB 1.1 is quite slow, but having HDD mode would be nice for end users (e.g. they will have way to easily upload an installation package) (3) - Of course not just port of samba. I'd also like to create fancy cross-platform desktop gui application, that would allow at least set samba password and shared folders (besides CF card, of course). This is good for and-users since samba shares are accessible via wifi and thy'll be able to transfer files to/from FreeRunner without problems (e.g. scp client installation ;-) ) (4) - This was mentioned in 'ideas' list. I'd like to ask community if there is something else, that I (with my quite limited experience and knowledge) would be able to contribute? [1] -- http://vrghost.lv/~vrghost/CV/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSoC ideas discussion (again)
2) Two USB device mode (Is this correct mode name?) -- NIC (as it is now) and HDD. There no magic for it needed. You connect USB Host cable - powered hub - NIC and (if you have proper module installed) it appears as network card. Same with HDD, webcams, keyboards, mouses and anything USB based. I know that currently Neo (and Freerunner?) are exposing itself as USB NIC. It is nice and useful during development, but useless for end users IHMO (only if it don't expose VNC session to the main screen ;) ). In my opinion, end user would expect phone to act like USB HDD when it is connected to desktop via USB. I'm saying that there should be at least two modes of Neo-host interaction via USB - as NIC and as HDD. [ If you have understood me correctly - sorry for wasting your time. I'm just don't think that my English is good enough to be understood without additional explanations.] scp client is installed by default ;) I know that not everybody has (or even knows about) ssh/sftp protocol. This is especially true about Windows world. (Damn humans aren't willing to learn our technology basics!) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GSoC Freerunner
I'd like to ask - what is probability of Greerunner hardware to be ready by the summer? (aka Will I have my Freerunner when GSoC starts?) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSoC 2008: Call for ideas
Sqlite port would be nice thing to have. (With C/C++/Python bindings, of course) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSoC 2008: Call for ideas
Hello. In my opinion, there are some highly usable project proposals in wish list, that could be done by student (like me, heh-heh-heh...) during summer. First things first: platform should provide more than one GUI binding solutions. In my opinion binding framework porting priority is (decreasing): 1) qt 2) wx 3) sdl (Since Maemo/Cocoa bindins are not widely used in current world, I think that these bindings are in would-be-nice-to-have[when-we'll-have-free-time] class) In my opinion, GUI bindings are great projects for GSoc, since they are useful and easy to create (at least it looks so, since Openmoko has standard GTK base, that by these frameworks already can use on the PC). Also, C++ bindings are must-have (but I have no clue about how mush work it will be to implement them) Python binding is good-to-have thing, since Python language is great for prototyping (but I don't think that it would be great idea to write real application on Openmoko due to embedded platform limitations). Also, platform *must* include high-level bindings for standard phone functionality, like sending SMS to the given number (with given text, of course), making a call, cancelling call, getting GPS coordinates, sending visit card using bluetooth, bt device pairing, connecting to bt device... it's quite easy to build such list. But some has to implement it all. (IMHO, all tese API functions should be accessible via dbus). As my device driver programming experience shows, it is quite possible to accomplish such thing during summer (not all at once, of course. Someone should be playing with bt, someone with gsm module... But I assume that you are much more aware of all these organization issues than me. Btw, please, please, release freerunner! In March! Can't hold... much longer ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Any chance to have a dual-SIM slot on futures products?
This isn't exactly true. In some dual-SIM phones that have recently entered the market, such as Fly B700 Duo, both SIM cards can be used simultaneously without the need for any kind of switching. It was already said that two SIMs working simultaneously would require two trancievers. This is obviously is not a case of GTA02. Planning feature list for GTA(03|04) is quite a waste of time until GTA02 will be released. So, let's concentrate on GTA02, perhaps? -- I'm sorry for being keen, but I've waiting GTA02 for a quite lot of time by now, so I panic when seeing any proposal of hardware modifications that could delay (if accepted) phone release. (Me want my toy yesterday!) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buying Openmoko GTA02 from Europe
2007/8/22, Jean-Eric Cuendet (ML) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, It seems that a big problem we have here in Europe to get Openmoko devices is that the shiping costs are quite high: around 80-100USD !! I've opened a website that will sell GTA02 devices when they are available, to other Europe countries. I'll buy quantities of devices from FIC and resell them from here, in Switzerland, middle of Europe. Hi. I'm really interested in obtaining (at least) one GTA02 device. But I live in Latvia. Are there any hopes that you'll ship here too? At least we all are in same Union. :-) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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