Re: WIKI still a POS
There is no need to volunteer to edit a wiki ! It is based on trust. Just do what you think is obviously needed. If someone disagree they will simply revert your changes. I don't think forking is a good idea, we still have not completely moved the content from the old wiki to this new wiki. Here is a proposition for the Main Page rewamping : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ProposedMainPageRedesign (see the discussion at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page ) Unless Openmoko says no or some fellow community member convince me that it's not a significant improvement compared to the existing Main Page, I plan to commit these changes tomorrow before leaving for an extended familly vacations. What do you think ? PS: Sorry for crossposting from the Wiki Editors list, but this is the Main Page we are talking about so I assumed the community and Openmoko the company have to be notified. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/WIKI-still-a-POS-tp586543p663040.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Warranty after fix for GTA02 GPS rework for SD card interference issue
Le vendredi 01 août 2008, Andy Green a écrit : opkg install kernel-module-g-ether kernel-module-cdc-ether Having updated the kernel and everything, I get a FATAL error with that: opkg install kernel-module-g-ether kernel-module-cdc-ether Installing kernel-module-g-ether (2:2.6.24+git27+1a95efdc23966343a3b432ceef2f6c24dc0e2052-r2) to root... Downloading http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/om-gta02/kernel-module-g-ether_2.6.24+git27+1a95efdc23966343a3b432ceef2f6c24dc0e2052-r2_om-gta02.ipk Installing kernel-module-cdc-ether (2:2.6.24+git27+1a95efdc23966343a3b432ceef2f6c24dc0e2052-r2) to root... Downloading http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/om-gta02/kernel-module-cdc-ether_2.6.24+git27+1a95efdc23966343a3b432ceef2f6c24dc0e2052-r2_om-gta02.ipk Configuring kernel-module-cdc-ether Configuring kernel-module-g-ether FATAL: Module g_ether not found. Then the module is not loaded at boot time. I have to cd /lib/modules/2.6.24/kernel/drivers/usb/gadget insmod g_ether.ko /etc/init.d/networking restart Minh -- Minh HA-DUONGChargé de recherche CNRS [EMAIL PROTECTED] CIRED, Campus du Jardin Tropical tel: +33 1 43 94 73 81 45bis ave. de la Belle Gabrielle fax: +33 1 43 94 73 70F94736 Nogent-sur-Marne, France Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://minh.haduong.com (work), http://minh69.blogspot.com (personal) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Edit wiki
Le vendredi 01 août 2008, Yaroslav Halchenko a écrit : I just want to follow up with another piece of PR for effort I joined (since noone expressed opinion on it in the original thread). Just have a look at wiki in a single file http://om-tiddlywiki.projects.openmoko.org/openmokowiki.html That is good. Now please find a spot for that in the wiki and link to it. It's up to you to make it known. How about this page: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Download Minh -- Minh HA-DUONGChargé de recherche CNRS [EMAIL PROTECTED] CIRED, Campus du Jardin Tropical tel: +33 1 43 94 73 81 45bis ave. de la Belle Gabrielle fax: +33 1 43 94 73 70F94736 Nogent-sur-Marne, France Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://minh.haduong.com (work), http://minh69.blogspot.com (personal) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Main page change notification
Dear friends, I just landed a big update to the main page ! http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page Hope you like it. Thanks to Ferenc, Bernt, Mercury, Montgoss and Stryderjzw for helping. Please express yourself by improving it further as you see fit. It definitely can use more polish: - The layout has been tested with Firefox and Konqueror only. - Obviously feeding the news automatically from an RSS flow would be better, as Aaron said. Pending that there will be a need to feed the newsbox manually. - I support Brian's remark that DOCS should be BUGS - I add that in the same linkbar, HOME and WIKI lead to the same page. In doubt, don't hesitate to use the Discussion tab of this page. I apologize in advance for not following up very closely in the next weeks, but familly vacations come first. Wishing everybody a smooth ASU experience soon, Minh -- Minh HA-DUONGChargé de recherche CNRS [EMAIL PROTECTED] CIRED, Campus du Jardin Tropical tel: +33 1 43 94 73 81 45bis ave. de la Belle Gabrielle fax: +33 1 43 94 73 70F94736 Nogent-sur-Marne, France Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://minh.haduong.com (work), http://minh69.blogspot.com (personal) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Edit wiki
Le vendredi 01 août 2008, Yaroslav Halchenko a écrit : it is all features of tiddlywiki ;-) everything is done on client side (ie in the browser) thanks to Java Script ;-) all material (besides images) is contained within that very single .html file -- that is the beauty of it -- even search works ;-) Tovarich, can you package this in a .ipk along with a shortcut in the main menu that opens it in a brower ? Then it will be easy to lobby OM to install it by default: this is the closest thing we have to a help / documentation / system manual. Minh -- Minh HA-DUONGChargé de recherche CNRS [EMAIL PROTECTED] CIRED, Campus du Jardin Tropical tel: +33 1 43 94 73 81 45bis ave. de la Belle Gabrielle fax: +33 1 43 94 73 70F94736 Nogent-sur-Marne, France Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://minh.haduong.com (work), http://minh69.blogspot.com (personal) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Edit wiki
Prior to making it into .ipkg, I wonder if there is a way to obtain statistics on what articles on wiki are the most popular, so I could prepopulate that file with such popular articles. We can't fetch full wiki.openmoko.org since it would render .html huge. Sure: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Popularpages and June statistics (posted by Brenda on the community list) http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/attachments/20080701/18ff1754/attachment-0001.pdf -- Minh HA-DUONGChargé de recherche CNRS [EMAIL PROTECTED] CIRED, Campus du Jardin Tropical tel: +33 1 43 94 73 81 45bis ave. de la Belle Gabrielle fax: +33 1 43 94 73 70F94736 Nogent-sur-Marne, France Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://minh.haduong.com (work), http://minh69.blogspot.com (personal) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Language in categories
Dear Dolfje, It looks like on August 20th, near midnight, your bot escaped and went wild with categories list and added langage suffixes. Example: # # Applications (99 members) # Applications/de (6 members) # Applications/it (13 members) # Applications/nl (1 member) # Applications/ru (1 member) # Applications/zh cn (2 members) # Applications/zh tw (1 member) # Is it as obvious for you as for me that it's better to revert ? Minh -- Minh HA-DUONGChargé de recherche CNRS [EMAIL PROTECTED] CIRED, Campus du Jardin Tropical tel: +33 1 43 94 73 81 45bis ave. de la Belle Gabrielle fax: +33 1 43 94 73 70F94736 Nogent-sur-Marne, France Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://minh.haduong.com (work), http://minh69.blogspot.com (personal) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Navigation Bar modified notification
Hi, I think it's a good idea to have such a link. I suggest deleting community in front of Applications, otherwise there is a repetition. The page is a list, so it may be a good idea to have List of in the page name. And it is not all applications, so try List of selected community-developped applications as a page name. The page should link not only to the projects repository, but also to the other list of applications floating around in the wiki and on the net (including those by Openmoko). Yours, Minh -- Le mardi 26 août 2008, BrendaWang a écrit : Dear all: I put the Openmoko community application on the community navigation Bar. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_Community_Applications Feel free to let me know if you like it , or not. Brenda ___ documentation mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/documentation -- Minh HA-DUONGChargé de recherche CNRS [EMAIL PROTECTED] CIRED, Campus du Jardin Tropical tel: +33 1 43 94 73 81 45bis ave. de la Belle Gabrielle fax: +33 1 43 94 73 70F94736 Nogent-sur-Marne, France Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://minh.haduong.com (work), http://minh69.blogspot.com (personal) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Update report
What's most visibly new: Battery icon when unplugged red LED behind AUX button shines more snappy (or is it because it's a fresh install ?) repositories is online for update and community applications Minh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Update report
= 26
GtkScrollbar::stepper_spacing = 0
GtkSpinButton::shadow_type = GTK_SHADOW_NONE
GtkTreeView::allow_rules = 1
GtkTreeView::even_row_color = #fff
GtkTreeView::odd_row_color = #e7e7e7
GtkTreeView::vertical_separator = 6
GtkWidget::focus_line_width = 2
GtkWidget::focus_padding = 0
GtkWidget::scroll-arrow-vlength = 48
GtkWidget::scroll-arrow-hlength = 48
MokoDialerTextview::large_font = 20
MokoDialerTextview::medium_font = 15
MokoDialerTextview::medium_font = 15
MokoDialerTextview::small_font = 10
fg [NORMAL] = @fg_color
fg [PRELIGHT] = @fg_color
fg [ACTIVE] = @selected_fg_color
fg [INSENSITIVE] = @fg_color
fg [SELECTED] = @selected_fg_color
bg [NORMAL] = @bg_color
bg [PRELIGHT] = @bg_color
bg [ACTIVE] = @selected_bg_color
bg [INSENSITIVE] = lighter (@bg_color)
bg [SELECTED] = @selected_bg_color
text [NORMAL] = @text_color
text [PRELIGHT] = @text_color
text [SELECTED] = @text_color
text [ACTIVE] = @text_color
base [NORMAL] = @base_color
base [SELECTED] = @selected_bg_color
base [ACTIVE] = @base_color
engine moko-engine {
border = TRUE
}
}
class GtkWidget style default
style reversed
{
bg[NORMAL] = @fg_color
fg[NORMAL] = @bg_color
bg[PRELIGHT] = @fg_color
fg[PRELIGHT] = @bg_color
}
widget_class *GtkButton* style reversed
style button
{
GtkButton::inner_border = {1, 1, 1, 1}
engine moko-engine {
border = TRUE
gradient = TRUE
}
}
class GtkButton style button
style button-colors {
bg[NORMAL] = #333
fg[NORMAL] = #fff
bg[PRELIGHT] = #333
fg[PRELIGHT] = #fff
}
widget_class GtkButton* style button-colors
style treeview-header {
# inner-border was added in GTK+ 2.10
GtkButton::inner_border = {0, 0, 0, 0}
bg[NORMAL] = #eee
fg[NORMAL] = #000
bg[PRELIGHT] = #eee
fg[PRELIGHT] = #000
engine moko-engine {
border = FALSE
gradient = TRUE
}
}
widget_class *GtkTreeView.GtkButton* style treeview-header
style combo {
bg[NORMAL] = @selected_bg_color
text[NORMAL] = @selected_fg_color
bg[PRELIGHT] = @selected_bg_color
text[PRELIGHT] = @selected_fg_color
engine moko-engine {
gradient = TRUE
}
}
widget_class *Combo* style combo
style toolbar
{
GtkToolbar::internal_padding = 0
xthickness = 0
ythickness = 0
engine moko-engine {
gradient = TRUE
border = FALSE
}
}
class GtkToolbar style toolbar
class GtkToolbar style reversed
style toolitem
{
xthickness = 11
ythickness = 11
bg[NORMAL] = @selected_bg_color
fg[NORMAL] = @selected_fg_color
# toolbar colours are reversed
bg[PRELIGHT] = @fg_color
fg[PRELIGHT] = @bg_color
engine moko-engine {
gradient = TRUE
border = FALSE
}
}
widget_class *Tool*GtkToggleButton style toolitem
widget_class *Tool*GtkButton style toolitem
style notebook
{
xthickness = 0
ythickness = 0
# For notebookes, NORMAL is used for the active tab and ACTIVE is used for
# ther other tabs
bg[NORMAL] = @selected_bg_color
fg[NORMAL] = @selected_fg_color
# inactive tabs are in reversed colours
fg[ACTIVE] = @fg_color
bg[ACTIVE] = @bg_color
}
class GtkNotebook style notebook
style menu
{
engine moko-engine {
gradient = FALSE
border = TRUE
}
}
class GtkMenu style menu
style menubar
{
engine moko-engine {
gradient = TRUE
}
}
class GtkMenuBar style menubar
widget_class *GtkMenuBar* style reversed
style menuitem
{
xthickness = 8
ythickness = 8
bg[PRELIGHT] = @selected_bg_color
fg[PRELIGHT] = @selected_fg_color
engine moko-engine {
gradient = TRUE
border = FALSE
}
}
widget_class *MenuItem* style menuitem
style scrollbar
{
bg[NORMAL] = @selected_bg_color
bg[PRELIGHT] = @selected_bg_color
engine moko-engine {
border = TRUE
}
}
class GtkScrollbar style scrollbar
include matchboxpanel
include openmoko-calculator
include openmoko-contacts
include openmoko-dialer
include openmoko-panel-plugins
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Re: (stable) Update report
Yeah, and keyboard useability, at last ! ;) I am still struggling with this one. Could you please be more explicit here ? Thanks, Minh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ASU keyboards, again (Angus Ainslie)
Hello Angus, Please try installing illume-config, then let us know if the QWERTY appears. If not, try restarting X with /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart and then I think it should work. Minh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ASU keyboards
Hi Raster, and hi all, It's great news to learn that there should be an illume-config-illume package that provides yours keyboard again. This is what we have all been waiting for. But I second Tom's question: we would love to know more precisely when and where it should be available. Minh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ASU keyboards
While we wait for The Rasterman to tell us Where and When we will find the package for the One Keyboard To Rule Them All ;-) , why not use the matchbox one like we did in 2007.2 just a few weeks ago ? Here is a recipe, please let me know if it works for you: 1. Get the qwerty button with opkg install illume-config 2. Hide the qtopia keyboard by manually adding the line export QTOPIA_NO_VIRTUAL_KEYBOARD=1 in the file /etc/X11/Xsession.d/89qtopia 3. Install the matchbox keyboard with opkg install matchbox-keyboard-applet opkg install matchbox-keyboard-inputmethod 4. Restart X with /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart 5. Launch the matchbox keyboard daemon by clicking on the Keyboard icon I did not install the package matchbox-keyboard-im , I don't know what it is for ? Minh Minh HA-DUONG ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA04
H. Hveem: You will find a more sympathetic audience in the #openmoko channel on the IRC server irc.freenode.net . Minh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiki focus - user versus developer documentation
So the answer to the question of Do we use namespace here ? is no. I think it's the good answer too, and I am glad we reached the conclusion quickly and rationally. When the wiki is renamed we will move the handfull of meta pages about the wiki in the appropriate namespace. What do you mean by redesign the front page ? It already separates Users, Developpers, and Unenlightened. Minh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtopia on Freerunner: Firsts steps of a newbee
Dear Sven, Everybody sincerely regrets that there are only three pages in : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Category:Qtopia I suspect the reason is simply that a majority of active wiki editors use other distributions. Having a fresh view about what is missing from the wiki is always a one-time opportunity. Please seize it, establish an account and help write the missing manual: http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=Special:Userlogintype=signupreturnto=Qtopia_on_FreeRunner Thanks in advance for sharing your findings, Minh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: German for Qtopia
Hi Richy, Thanks for your contribution to the wiki. It just needed fixing 'NEO' to 'Neo' and 'Linux Box' to 'Linux box'. Minh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
A little zenity-gui for flashing images to the neo
Hi, According to this mail: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2008-September/001726.html the boot image is flasheable too, and the next upgrade will upgrade it. Does this look like something that zenity-gui could do ? I can't find a zenity page on the wiki, do you want me to start one ? Minh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: DFUScript v0.1 - Script to help flashing
Shawn: are you aware of Dale's work ? May I suggest also a link to the script's page from: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner#A_script_to_do_all_this_from_a_nice_GUI... Minh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
community written community update
Hi all, We all love Community Updates, but that's a huge endeavour for one person to tackle. So let us try a little social experiment here: community written community update. I just posted an outlined list of bullet points at: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/15th_September%2C_2008_-_Activity_since_launch The plan is to leave it to everybody else to elaborate along the following editorial guidelines: 1. Include everything that was hot on a mailing lists at some point since launch. 2. Limit each point to three sentences and one link. Yours truly. Minh, Volunteer wiki editor (Curious and impatient to see if it works.) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Startup/Xstart image replacement (How to remove the boots?!)
Le mardi 16 septembre 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : That is the u-boot splash image that is on its own partition, not the kernel's bootsplash or x-start-splash. True enough. I tried to clarify this on the wiki at: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Themes -- Minh HA DUONG, Chargé de Recherche, CNRS CIRED, Centre International de Recherches sur l'Environnement et le Développement http://minh.haduong.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
2008.8 default dialer crash on # or *
I attached your mails with patches and binary to the trac ticket. http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1832 QA tagged the bug for 2008.9, I hope your patch makes it for the bugfix release. This looks like a RC bug to me. Finger crossed, Minh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Sahana Client on Openmoko [Discussion]
Hi Ajay, I would suggest: Ask for your blog to be syndicated on the Planet. Make a wiki page to present your project. Minh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Sahana Client on Openmoko [Discussion]
Or do you mean, i should have it on the Openmoko Wiki ? You may if you want. You could also host your code at Projects.openmoko.org. In any case, just be sure that there is a link to your project from the Openmoko wiki. Minh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ASU 2008.9] Is it required to reflash, or opkg update upgrade is enough?
Yes. This is all correct. Those with 2008.8-update will already be ahead of 2008.9. It's the name that throws people off. We're looking to change to 2008-update or 2008-stable. Please stay tuned. Will Also stable isn't that good, because people will think it is stable, while it is far from stable. (I would call om2008.9 usable). Maybe change it into 'Omd' (=Openmoko Distribution) and call point releases Omd 2008.9. I would like to second this point. Please don't call anything stable. In Debian world, stable means that 1/ It won't crash, 2/ You are free from worrying about OS reinstallation or upgrades for a long time and 3/ Updating is a BAD thing. With ASU we only have 1/ Moreover, the stable word is already preempted. To be technically precise, .stable is the name of a familly of subbranches in the git. For the rest of the list subscriber's: Patches land in org.openmoko.$(release_name).dev, go through org.openmoko.$(release_name).testing, and finally reach org.openmoko.$(release_name).stable from where packages are made Reusing that word for anything else than a subbranch tag is confusing. And everybody is confused enough, as you rightly noticed. Please empathize with the pain of the documentation team. Without clear names we can't make clear explanations. Leave stable out. Minh -- Minh HA DUONG, Chargé de Recherche, CNRS CIRED, Centre International de Recherches sur l'Environnement et le Développement http://minh.haduong.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [ASU 2008.9] Is it required to reflash, or opkg update upgrade is enough?
Why won't we just invent cool codenames for the distros? Maybe because they are not really distributions, but just point releases / milestones of the same branch ? Distribution = ASU ASU release point zéro = Om 2008.8 ASU release point one = Om 2008.9 ASU 2008.8 + updates = ASU 2008.8 + updates = packages fresh from latest daily builds = ASU head = no name yet. Minh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Case mod feasible
Dear Breakable, The Minty power links at the bottom of http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery demonstrates that building a 2 AAA battery pack USB charger is feasible. As 1.2 * 4 is almost 5, building a 4-pack would probably be simpler. You will probably want to connect a 47.5 kOhms resistor between the ID pin and the GND pin in the USB connector to identify it as a FreeRunner compatible charger. -- Minh HA DUONG, Chargé de Recherche, CNRS CIRED, Centre International de Recherches sur l'Environnement et le Développement http://minh.haduong.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Wallpaper artist anyone ?
I see the artists and the CAD engineers are hot this week and like it. May I seize this opportunity to get your attention to: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Desktop_wallpaper_gallery which is a place to share Openmoko-themed full-screen high-quality images. So far we have only one, the Blueprints wallpaper. If you have other beautiful images and need help with the wiki, I can help posting it. Yours, Minh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WIFI Connector Application
launch a script when IF_UP; in this script you may, based on the MAC of the AP, do whatever is needed: ifconfig static IP or DHCP or a logic like that must exist in Debian too, I'm wrong? and this is not much scripting work, or? Yes, in Debian here is how I do it: http://minh69.blogspot.com/2008/04/setting-up-debian-etch-to-automatically.html Minh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FSO] How to develop with Qt
Where may we start a wiki page on this argument (openmoko, openembedded, fso?) I would create the page with a link on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_developer_guide and categorize it under http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Category:Application_Developer Minh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Very interested onlooker
I have been on this list a few days and thought it only decent to introduce my presence. Welcome then. Is the Freerunner able to run a PIM-like application (if so, what would that be)? Trolltech ported Qtopia to the FIC Neo Freerunner and 1973 phone, I have never read about anybody daring to use evolution or kontact. Would I be able to take calls through Bluetooth (I have a Parrot Minikit handsfreeset in the car)? Don't expect that to work automagically. Pairing with a Bluetooth handsfreeset and routing GSM to it can be made to work. Here is the recipe: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#Headset_Audio Is there a possibility to install, for instance, Abiword on the Freerunner? I have seen in the archives and on the Wiki that people have installed Gentoo and Debian on the MicroSD card, so that sounds positive. I have not read anything about Abiword on FreeRunner. Why anyone would use a smartphone for wordprocessing is beyond the understanding of mere a mortal like me. You need a real keyboard to do any serious typing. Minh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Dialer UI Design
Le lundi 29 septembre 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : I'm just sending this out there for anyone working on a/the dialer UI. At the moment with the qtopia (ergo, 2008.*) dialer the same part of the screen is used for answer call as end call, and since the UI is laggy (see below), I naturally hit answer call a second time and as a result hung up immediately. Probably should avoid this UI design pitfall in future dialer (and other) interfaces. I agree too. Do you think there is a ticket open already ? Minh -- Minh HA DUONG, Chargé de Recherche, CNRS CIRED, Centre International de Recherches sur l'Environnement et le Développement http://minh.haduong.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Dialer UI Design
Le lundi 29 septembre 2008, Nishit Dave a écrit : On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 3:32 PM, Minh Ha Duong [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Le lundi 29 septembre 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : I'm just sending this out there for anyone working on a/the dialer UI. At the moment with the qtopia (ergo, 2008.*) dialer the same part of the screen is used for answer call as end call, and since the UI is laggy (see below), I naturally hit answer call a second time and as a result hung up immediately. Probably should avoid this UI design pitfall in future dialer (and other) interfaces. I agree too. Do you think there is a ticket open already ? Apart from that, don't you think call management function threads should get the highest priority attached when invoked? That should help the response times. On a side note, I think there is a real need to reconsider the UI of the phone altogether. Should we start a wiki page to get user inputs? I don't know what the developper actually want, but the wiki is definitely missing a page on paroli which I think is meant to be the Dialer UI in the next major upgrade. Minh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Dialer UI Design
Paroli? We need more info about this I am in the dark as much as you are... Minh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [FSO] How to develop with Qt
Le lundi 29 septembre 2008, Nicola Mfb a écrit : 2008/9/26 Minh Ha Duong [EMAIL PROTECTED] Where may we start a wiki page on this argument (openmoko, openembedded, fso?) I would create the page with a link on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_developer_guide and categorize it under http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Category:Application_Developer Minh I created an unlinked wiki page at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Developing_with_C++_and_Qt , this is only an initial attempt, please fix, rename, change, restructure, and correct my bad english :) Linked and categorized. Minh -- Minh HA DUONG, Chargé de Recherche, CNRS CIRED, Centre International de Recherches sur l'Environnement et le Développement http://minh.haduong.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The Lost Openmoko Community
Hi Risto, BUGS: I think the TRAC is for everybody, not just high-level hackers. I reported totally cosmetic bugs in the tracker, like there is a spelling mistake in Assassin's package desctiption or xterm is missing an icon and they got fixed simply and quickly. Nobody complains. It works really smoothly for simple bugs. DISTROS: My understanding is that Om would like nothing more than community developpers take charge of the applications and distributions, so that they can focus on hardware, kernel and framewiork. But it's an egg and chicken think, it can' happen overnight. NEXT STEP: As a community member, I feel that Om showing us total respect. Developpers, managers, and other all read and write to the lists. Of course it there is room for improvement, I could name few Om staff who I hope are taking intensive evening English classes (but hey, many community members are not writing like Shackspeare either !). On the whole, it's just that they are understaffed and spread very thin: how many people would a company need to totally rock from hardware design to community management, including production, sales, kernel development, middleware development, applications development, interface, packaging and distribution ? As for blog posts: There is Mickey's blog on the Planet, but indeed it would be nice to read from Sean more often. The Weekly Engineering Report should be added to the planet too. I will try to issue a community update this week end. Minh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Community update, october 3rd 2008
Contents * 1 Distributions * 2 Applications * 3 Hardware * 4 Wiki and community * 5 From the stars * 6 Outside Openmoko [edit] Distributions * The big affair was the release of Om2008.9 Update on September 19th, the dot one ASU. Or was it a big non-event, because those who updated daily were already ahead when it was released ? Some users were surprised that the stable feeds do not update almoshttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:Community_Updatest everything everyday anymore, but this is what stable is supposed to mean. You don't get the nice fixes in the latest kernel, but you don't get the nasty new bugs either. * Another big point release: Qtopia 4.4. It's now called Qt Extended, we will need to update that string on about ~100 wiki pages! * FSO repositories moved to http://downloads.freesmartphone.org. Thanks Beartech for the interim hosting. * A startup announced NeoPwn, a distribution geared towards penetration testing. I am not sure if they are shipping yet. Their hat color is unclear to me, their slogan is Own it.. before it owns you. * FDOM is really gearing up. They now have a mailing list, a code repository, and a mission. [edit] Applications * Sephora, settings manager in PyGtk for XFCE started. * Also, openmoko-panel-plugin went from 0.1 to 0.4. It is a gtk based plugin that draws the powerstate of some FR hardware devices(i.e. gsm, gps) to a gtk based panel. Theses panels are used i.e. in xfce4. so you can enable or disable the state of your gps receiver. * Brian Code from Koolu documented how he made Linphone, that is voice over IP, work fine for him. * A screen Rotate daemon was developed successfully. [edit] Hardware * Battery#DIY external battery pack from a Minty case, or how to run the Neo from batteries (NB: a pair of AA cells will not provide as much as 1 amp of current.) * Thanks to Claus and Lothar, the CAD files are now available in other formats (BRLCAD, IGES, STEP) * Michael negociated with a custom-case making company, they could build something more rugged/waterproof if the demand was high enough. [edit] Wiki and community * The Documentation Team recategorized everything using a two-levels scheme. Browsing should be is easier now, try it! Of course we now need to clean up the pages inside each subcategory, but at least the big POS is not many small pos. Divide-and-conquer. * We also organized the list of applications. Now there is a master directory, then detailed lists by topic, and then application pages. * Coming soon: Use google search, Add page in this category, Site directory extensions. * Some nice artwork flew by on the community list. Raster is still with us. Following some advertisement, the Desktop wallpaper gallery grew from 1 to 4 images. Keep them coming ! * We are having a defining hearts-to-hearts discussion on the community list in Risto's initiated thread The Lost Openmoko community. See also the Weeky Engineering News 38 for Om's plans to involve the community more in the release process. * Good things are the pipeline for the Community Repository, including a submit by web interface (tickets 1518, 1543) [edit] From the stars * There were many kernel patches about SD cards and bus speed. Confusion about which kernel version goes into which branch and about packaging strategies led to some module mismatch issues. * There are still interesting discussions on the kernel mailing list on the state of the wlan driver. For the rest of us, it means that the Wifi driver is still being actively developed. In plain English: likely to be full of bugs. * The alsa sound configuration still puzzle most users. I think that as long as alsa-mixer is based on a linear list of cryptic acronyms, we are in the dark. Internship idea: redo the mixer as a clickable image map based on the sound chip circuits. Make that work for all Linux distros. * Developers should be aware that the Meta-toolchain was refreshed. * The kernel guys have banged their heads together about how to send all their changes upstream. Conclusion: good luck, that is a tough job. [edit] Outside Openmoko * The leading websearch company released their mobile OS called Android, nothing was said about an Openmoko port. * Pandora pre-sells thousands of their handheld linux gaming console. Sorry if you missed it, the next batch will be for 2009. == Thanks to all those who are helping to improve the wiki. As for the last issue, this page can be fixed at: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/October_3rd%2C_2008 And interesting events can be posted real-time at: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:Community_Updates Yours, Minh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: community Digest, Vol 100, Issue 3
Le lundi 06 octobre 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Stroller let's assume it is Possible. I had a long chat with Sean today. We both read the community list daily and our number one topic of conversation was the Lost community thread. Sean asked me what I thought of having a community manager. ( he was reading my mind again) On one hand, I said, Stoller has some good points ( as always). It would be a bit like herding cats, and in someway we want interesting cats, wandering off to do things that A) we didnt think of and B) we disagree with. basically because we don't know everything. On the other hand, we do recognize the benefit to be had from a little bit of structure. I have my ideas about what a community manager would do to organize and mobilize, But before I put those ideas down, I'd like to throw it open to the community. Question: what functions do you see a community manager performing. Write his job spec. ( hint hint) I am most curious to see what Lorn and Michael come up with. I have never seen such a job spec, but someone who: - Subscribes and read all mailing lists, writes and disseminates community updates. - Has root on the community-facings servers, to bring immediate benefits like fixing the repeated messages in mailing lists, google search mediawiki extentions, do the community-repository interface. - Gardens and grows the translation teams and local user groups system. Minh -- Minh HA DUONG, Chargé de Recherche, CNRS CIRED, Centre International de Recherches sur l'Environnement et le Développement http://minh.haduong.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: community Digest, Vol 100, Issue 5
Le lundi 06 octobre 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : these guys are doing fantastic job: http://onlinedev.blogspot.com/search/label/openmoko But they're not even in the planet! (I just filed a bug to admin-trac). Please make sure that the feed is not syndicated without discussing it with Alasal (the author's blog) again. Two weeks ago we decided against including it because he had mixed feelings about the planet: http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-tt796556%7Ca1087886 Of course, nothing prevents us to ask him again *** with hearts of it and lots of sugar, pretty please *** Of course that is not going to make the planet suddenly less a mixed bag. I love the idea of being language inclusive by default. Down-to-earth convenience also suggest that we need I can read this language checkboxes and cookies somewhere... Minh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Screenshots from wiki.openmoko.org
Le lundi 06 octobre 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : I'm writing to ask you, if I may use some 2008.8 screenshots from the wiki: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2008.8 Yes. My analysis is: these images were created by Openmoko, of Openmoko sofware, and uploaded by Coolcat, who is an Openmoko employee, so the rights are unambiguously with Openmoko Inc.. And Openmoko specifically wrote in the page footers that all this Wiki content is available under GNU Free Documentation License 1.2. halfjokeI am not a lawyer, but if you want to give me money so that you can sue me if Openmoko sues you for using the images.../halfjoke Minh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
VARTA Digital USB Charger
I've just read an article about new VARTA Digital USB Charger http://www.en.varta-consumer.com/content.php?path=/1204126618.htmldomain=www.en.varta-consumer.com For our purposes it's really great that it can charge our precious Neo from inserted AA or AAA accumulators, power point or car socket :-). Well, when it is available someone test try it and add it to: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_USB_charger_specifications_and_compatibility_list Minh -- Minh HA DUONG, Chargé de Recherche, CNRS CIRED, Centre International de Recherches sur l'Environnement et le Développement http://minh.haduong.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: File browser and mplayer frontend for the Openmoko
I have just completed my first packages for the Openmoko. First things first, here are the instructions, download links, and screenshots: http://people.defora.org/~khorben/200810.html#20081016022955 Besides about the programs themselves, I will welcome suggestions regarding how to better generate the packages, and how to host them somewhere more « official ». Actually, I'd even be happy if someone would volunteer for this task, and push me to commit fixes :) Hi, There are four places involved: the forge, the repository, the directory and the wiki. 1. The forge: official hosting is at http://projects.openmoko.org/ The quotes are important, this is provided only as a community service. So far this service availability has been in the 90s rather than 99% uptime. 2. The repository: official (no quotes) package repository at: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Repository I think there is a script that pulls daily released packages from projects.openmoko.org. I also had a glimpse of a web interface to drop your packages there, and further openings are probably planned. 3. The directory: In addition to hosting, you also want indexing at: http://opkg.org . Your packages are already in there, but I mention it for future reference. 4. The wiki: you want the packages to be found when people search in the wiki. Obviously we are thinking about automatic crosslinking with the above information sources, and obviously this is non-trivial work (see Alessandro's cross-sites Om search engine http://aiurlano.netsons.org/OpenMoko/ ) . Meanwhile, application developpers are kindly suggested to at least drop a link at: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Applications Happy hacking, Minh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience
So, tell us what you want, then the coding monkeys will start working! In my opinion, the buttons and LED are critical parts of the user-experience. They are still not consistent and reliable enough. Quick test: can _you_ tell what the various colours and light / blinking states mean ? References: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner/Buttons_and_LEDs https://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_LED_signals Thanks for your consideration, Minh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Back to the basics: improving user experience
To Rui and all others interested in bootime improvement: A bootchart is available at: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Alessandro -- Minh HA DUONG, Chargé de Recherche, CNRS CIRED, Centre International de Recherches sur l'Environnement et le Développement http://minh.haduong.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
2008.10 and back to basics
Hi, What happens to the handful of bugs tagged Installer, Locations and Settings for 2008.10 then ? My understanding is that they do not fall in the perimeter of OM's new back to basics strategy, so are these orphans ? Minh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Openmoko Community newsletter, October 4th to 19th
Hello everybody, welcome to the unofficial Openmoko Community newsletter, October 4th to 19th issue. The two big news are the launch of opkg.org, an application directory, and Openmoko engineering team focusing back to the basics on Improving user experience. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/October_19th%2C_2008#Applications Contents * 1 Images * 2 Applications * 3 Good fixes and discussed issues * 4 Community * 5 Outside Openmoko Images Things were rather quiet on the distribution front. Rasterman's October 11th images (source) were put online. This is not really a distribution, but rather a demonstration that illume runs well and is so beautiful, for others distros to grab. We also saw daily SHR image builds online, no release yet but available for testing. And Qi, the next bootloader, recently got resume support.Testing shows that it is much faster than uboot indeed, but no release yet either. Applications Everybody applauded when Tobias announced http://opkg.org , an online directory of applications (think Freshmeat, Tucows...). The database is community-driven, everybody can register and index applications. In the flow of community developped utilities, I noticed: * the initial release of OpenMooCow, a nice, funny and useless bovine noise simulator. * Optimizations on Rotate. This is an interesting example of competition and cooperation (community development, if you prefer), because there are many versions being developed in parallel, with ideas jumping across all the time. * The Gestures GSoC project developper managed to convince his academic instructors to let him code on the FreeRunner for his degree. Future developments coming at http://AccelSense.org * Auxlaunch is a very simple, finger-friendly application launcher and window switcher for the Freerunner. It appears when the AUX button is pressed. With respect to porting other applications to our favorite platform, I read that Intel's made powertop actually runs on the FreeRunner. This is an very handy utility that allows to measure and therefore optimize power usage. Also: * FBReader an e-book reader programme now available for Debian and 2008.8 * Sander ported Pingus the free lemmings clone, for OE based distributions (it was already available on Debian). * In addition to minimo, openmoko-browser2, and midori, we saw a bunch of light and fast web browsers announced on the mailing list: Fennec), Dillo (ipk), NetSurf and links2. That makes about seven, working more or less well. Choice, choice, choice... * The same is happening for music players: pythm, openmoko-mediaplayer2, qtopia media player, deforaOS-player, qmmp, sonata, quasar. Thomas's K. also started a mediaplayer. So far I think that your best friend is mplayer from the command line interface (and on 2008.8, I think that mplayer is directly connected to OSS, so installing OSS compatibility packages probably help. And removing pulseaudio also saves tons of CPU cycles) Good fixes and discussed issues Many good news: * There is a fix for ticket 2038 about Qtopia USSD requests, so that dialing *123 or #4 should work soon. * There is a fix for ticket 1024, the GSM keeps reregistering bug, a.k.a. bouncing Calypso issue. The workaround is to prevent the modem from entering deep sleep, and it has been commited to the QTopia images already. * Powersaving patches landed in stable-2.6.26 on October 8th. Note to application developpers: the best way to blank the screen to conserve power is the fbdev-ioctl method. I think that xset s 5 should do it. Thanks to the Harald and the Swisscom research project ! * OM announced two hires: Ray Chao, to work full-time in Taipei on the infrastructure, and Christopher Hall, a very experienced software engineer. * Infrastructure-wise, unstable development of OM is moving back to OE. Too many bugs remain, see Test reports for example. Most of the grief heard these days was about Digital Audio Playing and Wifi. I would like to make an unrequested announcement for the sake of the good vertical communication: Kernels currently has the APM power management interface is still compiled in. This has been deprecated for years and is doomed to go away. Hopefully apm -s will still work for suspend, but userspace applications that still use the deprecated apm interface SHOULD take action, preferably sooner than later. Community * Openmoko's engineers reunited for a 3 weeks workshop in Taipei. They decided to focus back on the basics, that is to leave the Installer, Locations, Diversity and Settings applications alone for a while. This decision was very positively received by everybody. John Lee is assembling the engineering task force at OpenMoko for that. He started by initiating a thread to hear about what the community expects most urgently. As a result, his priorities are posted in the Improving user
Re: Android open sourced
According to http://koolu.com/ Koolu Beta port of Android for Freerunner will be available to download for existing Freerunner owners and installed on phones for sale in November 2008. And they have been working at it for months. -- Minh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Anyone interested in mentoring?
Dear wanabee mentored, Mentoring might be the wrong term as it implies some obligation from the person assisting. If you were contributing code then I'm sure someone might consider it. Project managers already trust _you_ explicitely to go forward and commit the changes you think are good: anybody can edit wiki pages, open tickets and float patches around. But you don't trust yourself. Good judgement comes with experience, and you say you don't have much. So you want someone to review your changes before you commit them. Start with small fixes that are very obvious to you and you can explain well. If you are unsure, just post your opinion or your changes to the mailing lists. If you are even less confident, use your own blog (just don't expect anybody else to see it if it is not advertised on the planet !). Did you find a local user group in your area ? Ever since mankind discovered fermentation (thousands of years ago), sharing beer has been the #1 way to join a social group. Being polite and nice is mostly optional in the open source world.The currency is actual contributions. So you do something first, and someone will look it over. Minh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Anyone interested in mentoring?
Sarton said: I'm not sure if my quote was relevant, except that maybe I was too nice? Re-reading my mail, quoting you was not the best way to establish context for my reply, I should have cut and paste the question. Sorry about that. But I have no real regrets on reproducing your paragraph because I fully subscribe to it and could not have said it better. Minh -- Minh HA DUONG, Chargé de Recherche, CNRS CIRED, Centre International de Recherches sur l'Environnement et le Développement http://minh.haduong.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Is Openmoko working on their 'back to basics' plan?
Dear John, I agree that the blog post, and especially the title, was closer to low-level sensational journalism than to international diplomacy. I was kind of shocked as you probably were to read Openmoko has announced their 'Back to basics' plan a week ago. It's time to review. I am afraid that Brankz took my proposition that being nice and polite is mostly optional in the Open Source world too litteraly. But this is a blog, so could we simply assume that it was late in the evening, and when one writes as much as the author does, and one has a point clearly and simply written, sometimes ones overlook the smooth feelings aspects ? Having said that, regular status updates are good for everybody. Community loves it. Management loves it too, and for good reasons. May I compare with what Michael did with the Community updates series to keep everybody up to date on the hardware release ? You are a bit in the same situation with the software release. So thanks for the weekly update, and keep them coming, Minh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FDOM pet Tux (other distros too)
The wiki s needs more pretty pictures. I will try to add some screen captures too, when my neo comes back from a brief the demo tour Cool. Actually that was a subliminal message to other distribution managers. Especially to SHR and ASU, since Qt, Debian and Android more or less already have a visual identity, and FSO is a project not a distribution. Maybe we could associate the ASU series with Openmoko's slanted guy in a circle logo ? Minh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: CRC Fail
Le lundi 27 octobre 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Could anyone confirm CRC fail is sort of normal? On October 12th, Andy said that: Currently 2.6.27 doesn't do mtd properly and blows chunks with these CRC errors, didn't find why yet. http://n2.nabble.com/Openmoko-to-shift-to-2.6.27-kernel---tp1319130p1322879.html See also: http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2084 Minh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Community Updates/November 2nd, 2008
Hello, An unofficial Openmoko Community newsletter for October 20th to November 2nd is available for your reading and editing pleasure at: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/November_2nd%2C_2008 Today's headline is: Android is definitely coming to the Neo FreeRunner. Many talented hackers have been working at it quietly this year, and Koolu targets a release this November. We have more news from the distributions, with Qt and FDOM updates, and the testing branch dealing with E repackaging. The number of applications and utilities is growing, a Doom port is just out! System-wise, memory timings and bootscripts received impressive optimizations, and the echo bug and touchscreen jitter bug were patched. Contents * 1 Images * 2 Applications * 3 Hardware, community and wiki * 4 System-level improvements [edit] Images * Yes, Android is coming to the FreeRunner. Shortly after Open Handset Alliance announced the launch of Android Open Source Project, Koolu announced that its Beta port of Android for Freerunner would be available to download in November 2008. Brian Code is working on it, but he is not alone, Sean McNeil is there too. I expect that Neo will have mechanical legs before Christmas. * FDOM: David et al. released again, announcing that development moved to a new home. Mirrors added, more needed. FDOM now exists as an installer script: the FDOMizer. It is meant to be run over an ASU 2008.x image or over an existing FDOM installation. In my experience, this script worked rather well, considering it is a first release. * Qtopia / Qt Extended on FreeRunner: Nokia released version 4.4.2 and a bugfix 4.3.3-snapshot. Downloads, release notes. There was a filesystem layout incompatibility between the 4.4.2 image and the latest mwester kernel, so Hypnotize released a working Qt EXtended 4.4.2 image. * October 2008 has come and gone, so I guess that we should start forgetting about 2008.10 and start expecting 2009.11. The showstoppers buglist is online and weekly testing reports are available. * The testing image: There has been big changes in E's foundation libraries upstream, so lots of breakage in Testing as E and illume are being repackaged. Breakage as in The icons, they are all gone ? That is what testing is for, so people got up to work and it was fixed in a few days, see this thread for details about the transition to the new packaging scheme. * Om2007.2 is not supported anymore. Most bugs in the Trac related to that distro have been closed with status community. Here is to you, SHR. * The FSO team is in release mood, we expect another milestone soon. [edit] Applications * fso-control. A (suspend, reboot, shutdown) menu designed to pop up with the POWER button. Uses Python, Edje and frameworkd. release notes and ipk link. * A basic Python led and vibrator management utility. * Sephora settings manager 0.2 alpha 3 released, adds GERMAN localization. * Mokoko yet another media player. * NeoTool, a hostside GUI to flash/backup the Neo, was updated. * Doom port for the Openmoko Freerunner Milestone 1 (Alpha) released. The thread points out where to the shareware IWAD level description files if you don't have doom1.wad or doom2.wad around. * Telephone auto-reply scripts were proposed. Kamil send one that replies with a not available SMS when one flips the FreeRunner face down. Alex showcased a project for a full phone firewall stack, with GUI. * On the same thread, Mickey reminded about the power of oeventsd 's rules file. This is a user-tweakable rules engine using yaml-syntax to configure system-wide behaviour on DBus events (what a mouthful !). It was introduced in FSO Milestones 3 and needs user feedback, and more documentation I guess. [edit] Hardware, community and wiki * If you find that the black case is kind of boring, Tobias has a tutorial on how to use printable self adhesive foil. * National Taipei University is starting a bunch of academic projects: The Bicycle Motion Information Displayer, Business Card Exchange system, Location-based mobile video streaming system, Dancing With the Mobile Phone * The Tsing Hua OpenLab held a workshop on 10/29, following the three GSoC interns at OpenMoko Inc. * The Erlang wiki page deserves a special mention in this newsletter for a few reasons. First, it received some TLC this week and is now one of the best articles in our wiki. Second, Erlang is based on concurrent functional programming, an interesting paradigm that needs more advertising. Third, it's nice to think that around the FreeRunner's cradle, there is not only Nokia, Swisscom and Google's electromechanical avatar, but also a sign of Ericsson research. Fourth, Erlang rocks for reliable soft real-time distributed telecoms applications and this is where the future is - see what Dash made of the Neo 1973 platform. [edit] System-level
Re: Community Updates/November 2nd, 2008
How about posting a reminder a day or two before the release for people to add new items there? Good idea, I will do that. Minh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Installingusing Om .pik or .opk under Debian?
Conversion .ipk to/from .deb are dealt with in section 6) in the ipkg building HOWTO: http://download.intrinsyc.com/supported/os/linux/distribution/i-linux-4.1/i-packages-1.1/src/hello-world/HOWTO-ipkg Yours, Minh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: idea: accelerometer daemon
Hi Paul, Here is an interesting reference for you on recognizing contexts from mobile phone data (can send you the PDF as PM upon request): Modular Bayesian Network for Uncertainty Handling on Mobile Device Keum-Sung Hwang, Sung-Bae Cho. Mobile devices can now handle a great deal of information thanks to the convergence of diverse functionalities. Mobile environments have already shown great potential in terms of providing customized services to users because they can record meaningful and private information continually for long periods of time. Most of this information has been generally ignored because of the limitations of mobile devices and the uncertainty of mobile environments in real world. In this paper, we propose an approach based on modular Bayesian networks to overcome these problems and to analyze various kinds of log data. The method adopts a probabilistic approach to manage the uncertainty and decomposes the probabilistic model automatically to decrease complexity and how to infer the model, which is called cooperative reasoning. In the experimental results, the proposed methods were evaluated with mobile log data collected in the real world. Minh -- Minh HA DUONG, Chargé de Recherche, CNRS CIRED, Centre International de Recherches sur l'Environnement et le Développement http://minh.haduong.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiki: Applications page
Le mardi 11 novembre 2008, BrendaWang a écrit : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Applications Hi all, Should we reconsider how we list applications in the wiki ? We had a discussion about it on the documentation mailing list, but that was last september. Now things have changed: opkg.org is up and running. I motion that - We keep the current Applications page in its existing format: listing style, one line per application, as comprehensive as possible, organized in sections. - We get rid of the List of X applications pages. Applications listed only there would have to - be moved to opkg.org and added to the Applications page, or - have their own page in the wiki (it's a non-exclusive OR) Minh -- Minh HA DUONG, Chargé de Recherche, CNRS CIRED, Centre International de Recherches sur l'Environnement et le Développement http://minh.haduong.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2008.9] Where to set Illume's preferences?
the 'querty' icon brings up keyboard, with most recently used layout; how can I configure the 'Terminal' is the one which comes up with the PIN dialog ? I have the same question. I would like the Terminal layout to always show when I use the terminal. So is there a way to tell illume's keyboard: THIS application uses THAT layout ? Minh -- Minh HA DUONG, Chargé de Recherche, CNRS CIRED, Centre International de Recherches sur l'Environnement et le Développement http://minh.haduong.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiki: Applications page
Le jeudi 13 novembre 2008, BrendaWang a écrit : I would like to keep this page. People who want to find applications can use this page. And add any applications link here. If you are talking about /Applications, me too. Then, I would like to delete pages like following: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/List_of_Games http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/List_of_Audio_Applications Me too. Of course, we delete only AFTER all the applications listed are on the main /Applications page and in the opkg.org database. So it seems we agree ? Any different views ? Minh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL
I hope the software stack becomes less of a joke in time for GTA03 or it'll be hard to get much new customers... Actually I have never read any jokes about the software stack. But it is a sign of good mental health when a community is able to make fun of itself. Besides, where else would one share jokes about Openmoko ? Open fire ! Here is a old one: With milestone IV, openmoko-fso-console-image , FSO is getting really close to a workable GNUPhone as described at: http://notnews.today.com/2008/09/22/free-software-foundation-announces-gnuphone/ Yours, Minh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL
Le vendredi 14 novembre 2008, Yorick Moko a écrit : On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Wolfgang Spraul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jacob, Glamo is not a forbidden topic. Having said that, if someone wants to seriously develop for the glamo, please get in touch with me and we will find a legally correct way to extend the smedia documentation to you. In fact we have done that in a few cases before already, but I'm not sure how much actual codes have come out of that. I think very little ;-) So we need some really serious coders that don't mind a tough challenge. Best Regards, Wolfgang wow, this is the first I hear about this I don't think it is very well know in the community. Maybe somebody can put a notification on the main page of the wiki about it? To say what ? Minh -- Minh HA DUONG, Chargé de Recherche, CNRS CIRED, Centre International de Recherches sur l'Environnement et le Développement http://minh.haduong.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2008.9] How to power off Wifi?
Le samedi 15 novembre 2008, Matthias Apitz a écrit : I don't know if it reduces the drawing of power (btw: what is the easiest method to measure it? pulling out the battery and measure the power consumption via the cable?); I would use something like the attached battery.py script to measure power. Minh battery.py Description: application/python ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Next community update
Hi everybody, Here is the draft for the next Community Update: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:Community_Updates To anybody who has started a significant thread or contributed an important information in the mailing list: if you want to see that meme amplified, have a day. Yours, Minh -- Minh HA DUONG, Chargé de Recherche, CNRS CIRED, Centre International de Recherches sur l'Environnement et le Développement http://minh.haduong.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Logging of the FR, for now
Le dimanche 16 novembre 2008, Nishit Dave a écrit : All the best, and sayonara, arrivederci, hasta la vista. So you go back to Real Life (tm) ? Please send us a postcard, because I have a feeling that Freeing the Phone is a timeeater for many of us too - my wife totally agrees. In any case I am sure that you will engage for other worthy causes and communities soon, there are so many ways to improve this world. Thanks for the encouragements. Wishing you well too, Minh -- Minh HA DUONG, Chargé de Recherche, CNRS CIRED, Centre International de Recherches sur l'Environnement et le Développement http://minh.haduong.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Community update
Hello everybody, and welcome to the Openmoko Community Newsletter, for the November 3th to November 16th timespan. During these two weeks, we had FSO milestone IV and a testing SHR image released. Openmoko pulled the download server offline due to an mp3 copyright issue, they are rebuilding everything without any questionable codecs. Werner announced a firmware update for the GSM chip that will allow 3G chips compatibility. And there is movement again towards a better driver for the glamo graphic chip. Contents [hide] * 1 Distributions * 2 Applications * 3 Infrastructure: X and OE * 4 Kernel * 5 Hardware [edit] Distributions FSO team released Milestone IV 'Homework', see the OpenmokoFramework/Status Update 5. To accomodate the forthcoming release of other FSO API consumers like paroli or the SHR phone stack, three FSO-compliant images are build and released now: 1. fso-console-image: minimal system with frameworkd, no user interface manager. 2. fso-illume-image: everything in console-image plus X-Window, plus Enlightenment plus Illume window manager. 3. fso-image: everything in illume-image plus Zhone. Can be used for phone calls. Like previous milestones. But Zhone is going to be faded out. Debian: Joachim announced that the preferred installer script is now the one in the git. The old URL does redirect to it. Thanks mostly to Luca “Gismo” Capello’s great work, recent improvements include: 1. The use of the general auto-login script “nodm” instead of zhone-session. Session configuration can now be done by modifying /root/.xsession. 2. Device independent frameworkd and accompanying configuration packages. If apt-get upgrade breaks your FreeRunner, try to run apt-get install fso-config-gta02. 3. openmoko-panel-plugin installed by default (running in trayer), to provide keyboard toggle and device control. 4. The use of the packaged kernel instead of wget/tar. To get this going, run apt-get install linux-image-2.6.24-openmoko-gta02 SHR is getting closer to a first milestone release. According to BillK and others who kindly tested the latest version, the ergonomy feels generally better than other distros. But its early days yet, if you need a phone use 2008.9. Julien Cassignol invites the braves out here to install a preview SHR-testing (wiki help) and join the Internet Relay Chat on #openmoko-cdevel on FreeNode. FDOM is considering wether to move to OpenEmbeded, as this would solve the source redistribution issue nicely. On November 12th, http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/ were taken offline due to the discovery of an MP3 licensing issue. Openmoko collaborates with the Software Freedom Law Center in New York on this kind of issues. [edit] Applications Aapo compiled a newer version of Numptyphysics package on Debian, which can be played landscaped, without keyboard and it uses same datafiles than any other numptyphysics-port is at: http://www.opkg.org/package_3.html. Signal Applications To Any (Audio) Network, or, ehm, SATAN, was born... This is a tracker to create simple music, or just jam on the train, bus or café. Debian users rejoice: openmoko-panel-plugin reaches 0.5. Show and modify you the state of the hardware in you FreeRunner(i.e. gsm, gps ...) with any gtk based windowmanager (i.e. xfce). (thread, download). Centerim, a terminal-based instant messager, ported on the freerunner (package, port page) In the wiki, the Applications and Distributions pages were revised. We are having trouble with an engine extention that eats up whitespace, the workaround is to wrap pre formatted text in pre tags. The thematic List of X applications pages are going away, we want to keep just one big directory style application linkfarm. The idea is that presenting applications in organized ways is better done by http://opkg.org . This directory already has 45 entries, please register and go populate it. [edit] Infrastructure: X and OE Reports from the optimization team have been landing weekly. They include patches to fix ticket 1884 ([suspend/resume] if press power batton right after suspend, the device won't wake up) and patches to improve the network registering time. The openmoko-mediaplayer2: dependency on pulseaudio was removed to use alsa instead. And various utilities should appear shortly in the distributions, including telnet, wget, tcptraceroute, wmiconfig, a bunch of X system fonts and more. The lack of GLamo OpenGL is still a major dark hole on the FreeRunner's phone liberation front. Hacker culture factoid: did you know that as a software project X is older and about as large as the kernel with a penguin on it, but has an order of magnitude less contributors to it ? Wolfgang from Openmoko wrote: If someone wants to seriously develop for the glamo, please get in touch with me and we will find a legally correct way to extend the smedia documentation to you. In fact we have done that in a few
Re: Buzzing (was :The forbidden topic: Glamo OpenGL)
Le lundi 17 novembre 2008, kimaidou a écrit : About the buzzin issue, I would like to be sure : is it or is it not hardware related ? I heard about a soldering fix of one electronic component which could get rid of the interferences... Has anyone more information ? It is hardware related and discussed on the Hardware mailing list: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/hardware/ Check September, October... it is about half of the traffic there. Minh -- Minh HA DUONG, Chargé de Recherche, CNRS CIRED, Centre International de Recherches sur l'Environnement et le Développement http://minh.haduong.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: I realy like them
Le dimanche 23 novembre 2008, Dale Maggee a écrit : drac2000 wrote: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Jokes :-p Just for the record, these were contributed by various people here: http://www.mail-archive.com/community@lists.openmoko.org/msg33921.html And everybody is welcome to add to the list, wiki-spirit. Next week I plan to move the link from News and events to the New to openmoko ? box on the homepage, so that it remains there permanently. Minh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Community update draft
Hi guys, As usual, the draft is at: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:Community_Updates Please feel free to fix/update/add whatever, the newsletter should go on Monday if all goes well. Yours, Minh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Community update, Dec. 1st, 2008
Dear friends, Good evening/day/afternoon (whatever your TZ is). This is our sixth community community update. Congratulations to Valério, he won the first 24h-coding prize at Sapo Codebits by turning freerunner in a mouse and gamepad using the accelerometers. Code will be merged with ReMoko. Another month goes by without a 2008.x release, but Openmoko's optimization team invites volunteers to install the latest testing image and report. And we have lots of newer applications. Contents (read the hypertext version at : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/December_1st%2C_2008 ) * 1 Applications * 2 Distributions * 3 Hardware * 4 Kernel and bootloaders * 5 Community [edit] Applications * A new Pong game. * Newrotate 0.5 is out, uses really little CPU now. * Gtkaddpoi 0.5 : software to add a Point Of Interest to TangoGPS. * neoqplayer 0.1 : codenamed frog. A media player that conserves CPU cycles. * First release of TwitterMoko, a twitter client for openmoko. * ShortOm 0.2 : an application/shell launcher. * openmoko-panel-plugin 0.6 : support for fso frameworkd milestone 4. * Unison works. It is a file-synchronization tool for Unix and Windows. It determines all differences between two directory trees and lets the user decide, how to proceed with every differing file. * OpenMooCow 0.2. Mooes more, runs headless, tickleable. * AaTerm, an improved openmoko-terminal2. * Azmodie proposed a solution for right and middle clicking: Use the gnome accessibility tool mousetweaks (.deb). * Auxlaunch 0.6, a finger-friendly app launcher and window switcher. Bugfixes/integration update. [edit] Distributions * SHR: a newer snapshot is available. * ASU: The official 2008.9 image is back online without the questionable audio codecs. This month's 2008.11 is not going to see the light, but here are instructions to install the current 2008.testing build. It has all the goodies from optimization team (read their progress report, previous reports), i.e. about 1 minute boot and Volume control during call... The bug count is decreasing in the latest testing report. See also the previous testing report hardware revision A7 with capacitor was declared good for mess production ;). * For Android: Walter Chang made a soft keyboard. Rui Castro implemented an OnScreen Keyboard. It was immediately included in Sean's image, to be released at the usual page without mp3 support soon. Koolu posted an update on their release plans: they too are busy dealing with the audio codecs IP issue. * Following a post on the French wiki, the Distribution page was updated by adding FIVE new distros: Hackable:1, NeoPwn, RunningBear, Poky and PyNeo. [edit] Hardware * For an armband to hold the Freerunner while exercising, Gilles Casse recommends the UMC-3 from Case Logic. * Patrick Beck grafted a light on a miniusb - connector, to make an OpenMoko flash light. More lumens the bright white screen one get with the Flashlight script. * The official fix for buzzing is to add a 100uF capacity here and replace one resistor there. Technical details to be published in an Openmoko rework SOP paper. The company is looking at how to fix *all* devices sold. * The Calypso GSM firmware moko10 was released, it fixes ticket 666 for those users with 3G SIM cards. A few Indiana Jones types did try and follow the wiki instructions to reflash, most with success, some with hubris (def: excessive pride). For the rest of us, a user-friendly installer is being prepared. [edit] Kernel and bootloaders Big bad bug of the month prize goes to ticket 1841 white screen of death (WSOD) after resume. This bug shows itself only by cold weather! Nicolas Dufresne found out that the culprit was probably a too tight timing in the JBT driver. Hopefully this will be fixed soon now, and we can all switch to Linux 2.6.28 happily everafter. Developers must read Andy's explanations about kernel branch management. * Preview upcoming changes to the /sys directory. * Improvements to the touchscreen, backlight and accelerometer kernel drivers. * Qi gets lots of GTA03 love, audio back and a memory test ability (called when there are no valid kernels). * The opkg package manager was patched to cache downloaded files. [edit] Community * Removed the tagcloud extension that messed up with page formatting. * There are many links to nice Ringtones on the wiki, but the page and the whole topic need a good overhaul. * GnuPhone here we come: Sten Kvamme explains how to make a call from the command line (on FSO). * For your pleasure, here is the OpenMoko Jokes page. Thanks to the community, keep them coming ;) We (Coolcat and I) are also thinking about adding a pic of the week to the homepage, so stay tuned. * Courtesy of Dale Maggee, here and here are a few funny splash screens. Note that you already trust Dale
Re: Bounties?
Le mercredi 03 décembre 2008, Sargun Dhillon a écrit : Just out of curiosity, how many OpenMoko users out there would be willing to pay for bounties? Additionally, how many developers would work for bounties? What sort of bounties would you guys request? How much would you pay? I was thinking that knowing that someone works a graphical alsamixer, based on the real circuit layout, that highlights in real time the connected circuits, where you click on a control to change it, that can manage the .state files etc... would be worth about €50 pocket money to me. Minh -- Minh HA DUONG, Chargé de Recherche, CNRS CIRED, Centre International de Recherches sur l'Environnement et le Développement http://minh.haduong.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Funding Global Domination
Could somebody official in OpenMoko respond to this email and perhaps indicate whether the company would be interested in this idea and perhaps some way of gauging if the community is interested? Perhaps somebody in the Community could design a cool subtle OpenMoko garment? The second option is more like it. It takes a few hours to design a T-Shirt and upload it to an online store where everybody else can go and buy it. So just do it: the entry costs are so low that there is no real need for a formal market study ! Minh -- Minh HA DUONG, Chargé de Recherche, CNRS CIRED, Centre International de Recherches sur l'Environnement et le Développement http://minh.haduong.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: debian and xfce?
Le mercredi 03 décembre 2008, Christopher J. White a écrit : On Tue, 2008-12-02 at 21:37 +, Joachim Breitner wrote: Someone willing to do some cleanup and general QA on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian ? I can take a crack at this, since I just recently went through the pain of an install. What are your thoughts about duplication of effort between the openmoko.org page and the debian.org page? There's some duplicate copy now, but there is unique and valuable information both pages. I would prefer everything on Debian's wiki, and just a link in the wiki.openmoko.org . Simplest way to avoid duplication. Minh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Funding Global Domination
Le mercredi 03 décembre 2008, arne anka a écrit : The second option is more like it. It takes a few hours to design a T-Shirt and upload it to an online store where everybody else can go and buy it. So just do it: the entry costs are so low that there is no real need for a formal market study ! There may be trademark issues, better clear that with OpenMoko first! not only that. didn't the op intend to propose a way for _openmoko_ to earn more money? while anybody might donate artwork, the actual distribution has to be done on behalf of openmoko -- or more reasonably by openmoko itself. Rui: There are lots of cool artwork under a Cc: license on the wiki including the hardware schematics and : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Desktop_wallpaper_gallery Copyright are not an issue, please. No company will give you a blanket agreement to use their name as you please in any derivative product, but no company will deny fans the right to make T-Shirts with their name on it, if you show them specific T-Shirts design. Arne: OpenMoko made it clear that they were not into selling derived products (I can't bother to find the post, that was a few months ago.). Cordially, Minh -- Minh HA DUONG, Chargé de Recherche, CNRS CIRED, Centre International de Recherches sur l'Environnement et le Développement http://minh.haduong.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Funding Global Domination
as Arne correctly spotted I was only interested in helping fund global domination, which does not come for free. I can design my own T Shirt and have it made but benefit to OM = Zero. Not interested in this at all. If OM have made it clear they are not into derived products then that answers the question I asked and the subject is closed. Still, if someone makes fan-art T-shirts design and post it at lafraise.com or elsewhere, I am interested. Minh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06)
My native language is Chinese, so it's kind of difficult for me to enhance I consider writing as another information product just like code. It needs debugging too, and peer review (i.e. many eyes) is the key. Think testing team. I am in the academia, and systematically have one or two colleagues have a look at anything I write before sending it out. No need to find an English language professor, just someone who can point me the sentences which I was too dumb/hurry to write clearly in the first place. It takes time, it is not that difficult, and if you do it systematically your skills will improve in a few months. Colleagues will come to you to check the clarity of their English ! Professor Minh at your service ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Optimization team update (11/30 ~ 12/06)
Le mardi 09 décembre 2008, Gothnet a écrit : John Lee wrote: OM is moving more focus to gta03 now, so my current resource for qtopia is fairly limited. It's been a few months since GTA02 went GA and we still don't really have a working system, focusing most effort on GTA03 now seems to be an abandonment of freerunner owners. The Osborne effect is exhibited when a company's premature revelation of information about future products results in customers not purchasing (or delaying purchases of) the current offering. It is a purported suicidal marketing mistake, but some say it's a myth. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_Effect Respectfull note to Sean M-P: the community is not interested in a myth-dispelling experiment. Minh -- Minh HA DUONG, Chargé de Recherche, CNRS CIRED, Centre International de Recherches sur l'Environnement et le Développement http://minh.haduong.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: No more optimization team
Le mercredi 10 décembre 2008, Wolfgang Spraul a écrit : David, the optimization team finished their work a few weeks ago, most people were working on new tasks already. I knew before I had to take the blame for expectations that got unprofessionally raised to a level where we could not deliver, and here I am now taking the blame. Hi, First: many thanks to John and the optimization team. I use the testing image as a daily phone, and boot time and interactivity is greatly improved indeed. Second: Basing FDOM on 2008.testing seems even more a good idea now. Given that the official plan does not seem to include its release to the masses. Minh -- Minh HA DUONG, Chargé de Recherche, CNRS CIRED, Centre International de Recherches sur l'Environnement et le Développement http://minh.haduong.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Community update draft
Dear peers, The draft of our next Community update is available for review at: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/December_15th%2C_2008 Cordially yours, Minh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Ask Sean Moss-Pultz about community matters
Dear friends, Sean kindly agreed to be interviewed for the next edition of the Community Update newsletter. I invite every subscriber of this list to post the question or questions that s-he cares about most. No gloves. The general topic is Openmoko, the community, past-present-future, but yours truly will select with undue care the 3-5 most interesting / provocative / popular / relevant / funny / whatever and forward them to Sean next Monday. You may send your questions in this mailing list thread or privately to me. Minh PS: Everybody knows that Sean Moss-Pultz is Openmoko CEO, but you may also be interested to find that many of his past interviews are available here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko:Current_events http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Press_Coverage ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Community Updates/December 15th, 2008
Dear friend, Welcome back to the Seventh edition of our community Community Updates newsletter. It was actually chilly around here, especially when John announced that the Optimization Team was disbanded, but there was still no release. A perfect weather to sip hot drinks from a fan mug bought at the newly opened Openmoko merchandise online store. The money will go to community projects, for example bounties set up at cofundos.org, where ideas and money-rich but time-poors users can meet the enterprising hackers. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/December_15th%2C_2008 Contents * 1 Applications * 2 Distributions * 3 Infrastructure * 4 Hardware * 5 Community * 6 Direct from Openmoko o 6.1 Current stable image o 6.2 Mickey's framework milestones o 6.3 Next major release, Om2009 o 6.4 Position available *** Applications *** These weeks, new or updated applications are arriving almost every day. I cannot wait for Chrismas break, when people will really have time to hobby code ! New: * OpenTTD. An open source clone of the popular Transport Tycoon Deluxe game. * Enotes (formerly fido) a TODO list manager written with elementary, designed for distributions that use illume, like SHR. * OMoney a bookkeeping application to track daily incomes and expenses. * ePiano 0.1 A virtual piano keyboard to play simple songs. * SCR 1.432 (new on opkg) a alternative input method for entring text with your finger. * ZOMG! the embryo of a graphical package manager in Java. * Alex O. of the MokSec project released a call control firewall (ipk) based on a black- and whitelist system. Next up is integration with FSO, which needs a filtering extension. Updated: * TwitterMoko O.4. Packaging improvements following suggestions by experienced Debian Dev. * Gpsdcontrol 0.4. A Python script to turn on/off gpsd and gps antenna from the desktop. Add: icon changes to show GPS system state. * Orrery 2.3. Added a Planet Compass (on opts menu), dates of major moon phases, minor bugfixes. * neoqplayer 0.2 sunset. Finger friendly, cover show, playlist view, nicer theme, bugfixes. * gtkaddpoi 0.5a, SHR compatibility fix. * Aphasia A very innovative project to communicate with images rather than sounds, experimental code. Now using dbus. * Paroli gets some documentation and a wiki page. * OMNewRotate 0.5.2, desktop icon and script, uses autotools, fix suspend bug. * Navit is a car navigation system with routing engine. Nathan K. wrote that the newer opkg were a vast improvement (the directory can also be used as a feed). Note to projects.openmoko.org project admins: Please consider announcing new releases/updates, as the GForge engine does not do it automatically. *** Distributions *** Okay, we are still waiting to see which distribution will be the first to get out officially with the newer 2.6.28 kernel. * Android really jumped up in the hit-parade of the most popular pages. The wiki page with installation instructions has moved to Android on Freerunner, so from now on please use the page User_talk:Seanmcneil3 for discussion. Koolu's Android git is online at http://git.koolu.org/. * The Debian wiki page still needs a good cleanup. * FDOM successfully moved its build system to an OpenEmbedded overlay and is considering jumping over from ASU stable to ASU testing. * Qt Extended (formerly Qtopia). The currently best version seem to be Hypnotize's unofficial ones. Lorn (our liaison Software Engineer at Nokia) will try to get an official snapshot out before the solstice. * SHR latest Dec. 9th image has fastboot patches in. * An FSO user suggested that it was time to test the newer kernel, that the needed changes described on FSO's trac were minor. He reported good things about it. * Hackable:1 build system is ready, image released and how you can join email. *** Infrastructure *** * The hottest and bloodiest kernels are at Andy's. They have Nicolas Dufresne's patches for WSOD, a power supply driver (pcf50633 rewrite), touchscreen reliability improvements, a WLAN driver using the mainline SDIO stack, almost Android-readiness, plus all the Kernel features and fixes between 2.6.24 and 2.6.28, especially resume/suspend improvements. As these kernels are larger than 2MB, one need to meddle with u-Boot or use Qi to test them and the newer /sys. * Openmoko used to build its distribution using its own copy of OpenEmbedded's Bitbake tree, hosted in its own git under project name org.openmoko.dev. That project has been terminated. Local changes are now being backported upstream so that FSO and everybody else benefits. From now on, further fixes or updates should be directly committed upstream to OpenEmbedded *** Hardware*** * Erin documented how to use the OBEX protocol to send files via Bluetooth. * Someone asked how to
Re: Selected questions to Sean
Le lundi 22 décembre 2008, Steve Mosher a écrit : Will need some time on this. Sure. I was actually planning to publish the interview for year's end. Minh -- Minh HA DUONG, Chargé de Recherche, CNRS CIRED, Centre International de Recherches sur l'Environnement et le Développement http://minh.haduong.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Package categories for opkg
Le mardi 23 décembre 2008, Pander a écrit : Hi all, At the moment these are the opkg categories (as seen on http://opkg.org): ... Would it be more appropriate to use the relevant Debian/Ubuntu dpkg categories? ... While looking into this, perhaps a new category called GPS needs to be added to the Debian/Ubuntu world. In short wat was the reason for these alternative categories and is this consolidation of categories welcomed? Hi, It is nice to see someone interested in this question again. Last time we discussed it on the documentation mailing list, there was a consensus to: - Adopt as a reference the freedesktop.org applications categories. - Deviate from it when there is a good reason to (because we recognize that a freesmartphone is not a freedesktop !). - Eventually go back upstream to them with our propositions. This is not only relevant for opkg.org, but also for projects.openmoko.org, wiki.openmoko.org, package managers and main application launcher. Because these are decentralized, it will be especially hard to get the same category list everywhere. I think we are in need for a champion, someone who will work diplomatically with others towards harmonizing the categories. Minh ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Stage of GTA03 development?
Le vendredi 26 décembre 2008, Michele Renda a écrit : I think this email is giving a lot of explanation. Is ok to put this on Wiki? (In a section Email not to lose?) Put it on the wiki, but please do find a better place for it rather than Email not to lose ! Minh -- Minh HA DUONG, Chargé de Recherche, CNRS CIRED, Centre International de Recherches sur l'Environnement et le Développement http://minh.haduong.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Community newsletter
Hi everybody, This is Openmoko community community newsletter #8, year's end issue. This couple of weeks were packed with lots of action. Openmoko released the 2008.12 distribution upgrade and Koolu released its first Android beta. Both these were very expected and, actually contained no surprise at all, since the developpement process is completely open. Administration for projects.openmoko.org was transferred to knowledgeable community member Armin Ranjbar (nickname: zoup), and opkg.org got a complete overhaul. Contents * 1 Distributions * 2 New applications * 3 Applications updates * 4 Community * 5 Hardware * 6 Tips and tricks This is retrieved from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/December_29th%2C_2008 which has all the good links in Distributions * Om 2008.12 Update is out ! This is the fastest, latest and probably last of the ASU familly line of distributions. Officially upgrades 2008.9, optimized with faster boot, volume control during phonecall, and much more. Read the announcement, then go to the download dir. * Android. Koolu announced their first beta release. Based on Sean's image, Wendy from Openmoko produced test reports (PDF) concluding that Android Image On Freerunner really looks good, but [...] not ready to be a daily phone yet. Interesting applications waiting to be fixed to work on Freerunner include bluetooth, wifi, GPS, browser... * hackable:1 announced (documentation). Led by Marcus Bauer of TangoGPS fame, this project aims to implement the GNOME Mobile stack on top of Debian on FreeRunner. Its installation is specially simple: download the tarball, unpack the files on a 2 GB SD card, put the card in the FreeRunner. * Telefoninux 0.01 is out. First alpha release for this Debian-optimized distro. * Bytestore points out an augmented 2008.12 image with russian keyboard, GPRS and other goodies. New applications * Carlo released OpenVibe, the first opensource vibrator :) Pander also offers an open source MIDlet in a JAR to control the vibrator function. We are still waiting for test reports tought. * Yann released meooem 0.0.1, a realtime weather notifier opkg page. Setup the displayed city in /etc/meooem.conf. * Ilja pushed out version 0.1.0 of om-manager, a python Freerunner manager: flash, backup, get logs, manage packages, VNC (if x11vnc is installed on the phone). * Valéry released Neon, a simple Python/EFL image viewer, designed to be lightweight, fast, and easy to use. * Nathan shared his GPRS launcher script and the ipk for Gtkdialog it uses. The script can be used to start the connection, stop the connection, or to simply find out the current GPRS status. * Openmoko's next generation telephony, messaging and addressbook application paroli was merged with tichy, the application starter. So opkg install tichy, setup according to Mirko's email, and enjoy. * Angus offers a where are you now daemon that can SMS back its location upon request. * Chris submits for testing the prototype for a fullscreen keyboard. * A dutch keyboard for illume. * Daniel MT released Bright Player 0.1, a lightweight, quick and easy random music player for OM2008.X based distributions. * Last but not least, Josh shares an IMAP Mail reader and a collection of scripts to manage launching applications, control wifi, power, screen etc. Initially developped on 2007.2, most ported to Debian. Applications updates * OpenMoocow 0.3 released. Changes include: better graphics from openclipart.org by bsantos, more responsive, kernel 2.6.28 new sysfs paths ready, thinkpad HDAPS merged in. * ZOMG!, an opkg frontend, updated. Faster, cacao and jamvm compatible (jamvm still recommended). * navit, a drivers' GPS navigation system (trac) is being optimized for the FreeRunner by Christian Anke and others. * Damian A. Spriggs started working on a MAME port. The Multimedia Arcade Machine Emulator is a must for all retro-gamers out there. I can't wait to play P*c-M*n and G*l*xi*n again on my subway commute ! * Angus updated pymixer.py to use the FSO framework. It should automatically detect scenario changes and update the mixers now. Put fsomixer.py into /usr bin and chmod +x it. volume_fso.desktop goes into /usr/share/applications. * The Zedlock screen locker rewritten and re-released as 0.1 functional prototype. * siglaunchd, a daemon which listens to dbus signals and runs applications accordingly, got regular expressions (string patterns) matching, and was ported to C. For example, one can set the aux button to launch the dialer and the other can set a sound when screen is dimmed with as little as no effort. * Homezoneapplet 0.2. An applet and daemon to display the O2 (german mobile provider) Homezone icon. Now works on FSO and SHR. * omnewrotate 0.5.3. Updated for 2008.12 compatibility. Community * Recognizing that they
Re: Questions and Answers
Le dimanche 04 janvier 2009, Sean Moss-Pultz a écrit : Now we're again struggling with closed firmwares (both the Calypso and the Atheros module). I would love to just make our own WiFi chip, but Openmoko doesn't have the volume to return our investment in such a technology endeavor. Hello Sean, I always wondered why you were not reusing XO's wifi chip subsystem (Marvell 88W8388) ? OLPC has already mesh networking and I guess good integration in the kernel. Too expensive, proprietary, complicated ? Minh -- Minh HA DUONG, Chargé de Recherche, CNRS CIRED, Centre International de Recherches sur l'Environnement et le Développement http://minh.haduong.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Community update draft
Hi, The draft of next Community update is at: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/January_12th%2C_2009 Everybody is welcome to check for falsehoods, inaccuracies or missing bits of informations. Yours, Minh -- Minh HA DUONG, Chargé de Recherche, CNRS CIRED, Centre International de Recherches sur l'Environnement et le Développement http://minh.haduong.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Community update
Hi! This is the nineth Community Updates, January 12th issue. For the new year we interviewed Sean on everything that matters for the community: sales in 2008 were around the low five digits, om-locations is what remains of an ambitious mesh network project, and the most surprising development to him was the explosion of distributions. Back on the mailing lists, activity was rater slow during the first week of the year, but got more intense than ever after the holidays. Illume's keyboard received lots of localisations. Opkg.org reached a critical mass of packages. SHR and FSO are counting down toward their next milestone, while coding continues for kernel, drivers, Android and the like. It looks like the switch to 2.6.28 is going to happen soonish, before the switch to the Paroli phone stack. The newsletter is also available with links at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates/January_12th%2C_2009 Contents * 1 Distributions * 2 New applications * 3 Ports and updates * 4 Community * 5 Hardware and drivers * 6 Tips and tricks 1. Distributions * SHR: According to Julien's latest on the SHR project blog, the baby is expected really soon now. * Marek announced the new organisation of package and images repositories. * Android: The latest compatible kernel has wifi and bluetooth working now. Suspend and reboot are still broken. * FSO MS5 should branch out for really soon now (the roadmap says release January 31st, but they want a longer stabilization period this time). It will be the first milestone that will have support not only for GTA01 and 02, but also for the Motorola EZX A780. meeting minutes. * Hackable:1 buildbot is up and running. Images are generated every morning around 4:00. Happy testing ! * User:Bytestore has updated assemblage 2008.12 from Russian community, work with gprs, headphone jack plug, ru keyboard and many other things were updated (download rootfs, see screenshots) 2. New applications * LED clock When an Openmoko is sitting unused at night, turn it into an alarm clock with large 7-segment digits on a black background in landscape mode. * GPRSsettings is a GUI script designed to change apn, login, dialnumber. * Samuel's script for a toggle wifi icon. * ylock 0.1 Python screen lock and low battery monits. * AppManager 1.0.1 Zenity package manager. * Mirko announced that pre-alpha Paroli was now packaged in testing. Development moved to their own domain: paroli-project hosts trac, git, blog and documentation. * Kurt's Gwaterpas allows to use the Freerunner as a leveling tool. * There are now 75 packages at opkg.org. Novelties include osmupdater (updates OSM maps directory), sortdesk (sorts the desk), MokoCard (flashcards learning aid), sms-sentry (query the unit's location by SMS, handy if it was just stolen), pyring (a key ring), EFpLayer (mplayer GUI), playstankontakarta (an icon displaying remaining credit with POLISH PLAY pre-paid phone provider), various illume keyboards and more. It was mentioned unofficially that Openmoko's community repository is going to be dismantled. 3. Ports and updates * Lots of Navit activity. Distributions are kindly suggested to package the sample map separately from the main binary to conserve space. * The opkg package manager development moved from OM svn to Google code. The recommended stable version is r172, there is a significant data structures+algorithm refactorization going on. * Version 2.4 of orrery is now available. It has a new schematic Solar System View page, showing the position of the planets and our moon in their orbits, a new moon calendar, and a less ugly icon. * The ZOMG! package manager is now available on opkg.org, and now allows to add/remove/edit repositories (i.e. feeds). * Angus updated BtGPS.py to work with FSO. With this script, the FreeRunner works as a bluetooth GPS. * Marco shared his success in compiling the latest E17 svn on 2008.12. There was trouble on SHR with the Elementary widget set, tough. 4. Community * Sean's new year interview * Rakshat Hooja's company IDA Systems will be at Mumbai's TechFest. There are gifts waiting for the first 10 FreeRunner owners to show up at their booth! * The Future of location services thread started as an attempt to clarify the GPS drivers tangle, and then turned to using GSM celltowers and wifi access points location information. Dima signalled that there are several free databases of GSM tower locations, and that his gta02 Perl script to query OpenCellID for the approximate tower location, and then initialize the AGPS with this data works great. There is a database of Wifi access points at wigle.net. * Two new mailing lists were announced. One to discuss testing of all Openmoko Products. The other to discuss projects.openmoko.org administration. While we are at it, here are the number of
