with almost everything i can think of you can get by qvga by:
1. scaling data
2. changing font sizes
3. re-arranging ui elements etc.
well, all that is possible even with eight of vga or even less.
i see your point, but, i think there is no use case which fullfills your
requirements -- as
with almost everything i can think of you can get by qvga by:
1. scaling data
2. changing font sizes
3. re-arranging ui elements etc.
well, all that is possible even with eight of vga or even less.
i see your point, but, i think there is no use case which fullfills your
requirements -- as
It's 8GB not 4 and it's $199 with a 2yr contract. Regular retail prices
have yet to be announced.
as i understand, 199 is apple's price -- providers may subsidise the
iphone, too.
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eg we make a miniature phone that is 1/2 the size of the freerunner
- qvga is very very likely - or even less as vga just wont be available
at that size
well, less physical size is a very plausible rationale for qvga (or hvga)
-- but, as i understand, we are talking about the size of the
Opinions?
my 2c: i hate those accoustic feedbacks.
isn't it possible to use the vibration for that kind of feedback, if
somebody likes it?
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So, how does the Freerunner UI stand in front of the iPhone's ?
What about the MobileMe initiative ? Do we have anything like that ?
I checked both openmoko and maemo, and Im more and more afraid of how
far we are (we = the FOSS people) from Apple and Google.
why should we compete with apple
Even the animations are not gratuitous waste of CPU : it helps the user
to understand what's happening. For instance, in the mobileMe video
presentation the user uploads a picture of a contact and then the
picture appears to flow right into the picture box of the contact detail
- this is not
citing bucky katt: buddy! grammar is for people who can't understand
myself!
You would hope someone from Berkeley had a better understanding of
grammar than that ;)
2008/6/12 Cedric Cellier [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
[snip]
Ken Thompson, who once punched the first Unix in a month, is believed to
No, thanks. If I have to check a particular webpage, or even many of
them,
periodically to see if someone wrote something new, I'll give up quickly.
well, i've seen a forum recently which propagates new entries through rss
feeds. thus, it works pretty much like a mailing list -- but. of
Plus, forums usually have provisions for storage and selective
notifications.
you mail client doesn't store your email? wow! :)
do you store everry mail?
as somebody said, the signal/noise-ratio here is rather bad (and i know,
this thread is adding to it), take the iphone-prices and -plans
On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 03:46:12 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Friday 13 June 2008 00:55:34 arne anka wrote:
No, thanks. If I have to check a particular webpage, or even many of
them,
periodically to see if someone wrote something new, I'll give up
quickly.
well, i've seen a forum
should have gone to the list in the first place ...
You're DELETING mails? Fella, get you a decent harddisk! Not worth the
electric energy and keyboard wear.
easy on the reins!
i am no company -- no need to store every mail. 80-90% percent are
worthless either after reading or a few days
will tell you that having those kind of permissions systems when the
INTRUDER has physical access to the device is next to pointless.
the om is connected via wlan or bluetooth -- thus allowing hacking into it
(if it is not posiible right now it will some day).
thus the user does not
i looked around a bit but i cannot find informations about the state of
handwriting recognition or whether it exists at all.
i liked palm's old graffiti very much (the new graffiti 2 is crap) and
would like to be able to use a similar approach on my freerunner, too.
finished. But many jobs usually don't need to run at a fixed time. They
can just run the next time the device is woken up by the user. Or the
next time the device has AC power.
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use webmail. Since we're saying 'low-speed IP' does that mean SSH would
be possible?
depends on your use of ssh -- tunneling X will probably be a bad idea
(maybe vnc or so is an alternative?), but everything that works on the
commandline should be reasonable fast.
Would providers tend to
Did anybody else notice a huge increase in the spam they get since they
first joined this mailing list?
not yet -- but the archive at lists.openmoko.org does not hide
email-addresses. thus, harvesting should be pretty easy.
maybe the archive could be configured to chop off everything after @?
Yes, but if anyone really wants to get the email addresses, they just
join the list ;)
true, oh pharao -- which poses the question, why not use a foru ... uhm,
never mind :-)
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well, let's say we disagree in the classification of the om -- i think
it's a very powerfull mobile computer and thus should follow basically the
same idea of security.
the user's data can be backed up and thus restored if compromised or
destroyed.
the system itself may causes severe loss of
Sounds a lot like looking after a laptop rather than using a phone.
I've already written about how I like the FreeRunner because it's
*not* a laptop:
basically, yes. but that's probably due to the limited experience. i for
one know palm pda/smartphone and laptop/pc -- according to the spec
i get every mail more or less 2h after it is sent (polling the account ist
set to 15min), though the archive
(http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-June/date.html)
displays them much earlier.
is this intended?
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Some time ago (or better: a long long time ago) someone in the list
posted a thread about handwriting rekognition on the Neo. In the title
there was also the word graffiti, and somone in the list said that
he's a graffiti official, and that it would be better to not use it
as a name to avoid
Sender does frisbee type toss motion, catcher preforms similar motion in
other plane.
like the wii rermote? wasn't there something about shooting the tv ...
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Can we use it to unlock the phone instead of using a pincode? :)
something in this way is definitely needed if the om uses password related
security -- always hacking in a password with the onscreen keyboard will
probably be rather slow and prone to exposure.
In short, qemu (now) isn't capable to emulate gta02, just gta01.
i remember having read somewhere that qemu could be patched. there's a
gta02 patch somewhere in the svn -- but it's not clear to me which purpose
it serves.
furthermore i think i could start qemu with gta02fake with the
Can the United States be broken into states?
they tried it once and it was no big success ...
*scnr*
btw: i got this mail twice as it happens with some others, too. not all
and not often but sometimes there are a few.
I don't think Alaska and the
stuff in the middle matters as much as the
It would be interesting to know if all the duplicate messages came
from users using gmail.
after scanning my inbox (since 3. jul) -- most.
though, not all mails from a gmail account get sent (received?) twice and
not every mail from such an account.
i found one mail from cc.helsinki.fi and
In both your posted cases, cc.helsinki.fi and hotmail.com sent the
message twice to openmoko. Nothing we can do.
no problem. only tried to be helpful to narrow down the faulty part.
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see buyers interest list
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Buying_Interest_List
and group sales
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales
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- lifetime warranty
i always wonder about these -- whose lifetime is it? if the device in
question is defect it's dead, isn't it?
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- lifetime warranty
i always wonder about these -- whose lifetime is it? if the device in
question is defect it's dead, isn't it?
Of course when the freerunner is defect they are not going to buy you a
new freerunner.
i wasn't talking about the freerunner but the invisible shield thingy.
atm there's an ongoing discussion whether distributors split the first
time fee and sell the the iv shield, pulster is one of them, i think.
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the first one dates from 1995.
did anyone care to read it fully and can say if it is really soemthing
else then a troll's catch-all?
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Well I have seen the future and the future is FSO.
link? the wiki does not know about fso.
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Sorry, nobody wants this on a smartphone.
the replies to the op suggest otherwise.
if everything zimbra wants is a sufficient number of votes and they do the
porting themselves -- why not? it broadens the number of available
applications and thus the choice.
and choice is a large part of
Should'nt Openmoko have a mail client and PIM with sync for everyone
anyways? Before someone wastes time on a j2me solution for one single
service?
well, i am a fan and user of kde since the pre 1.0 versions -- kde has
kmail, kpilot, korganizer and i find them horrible, all of them.
so, even
(And then I think it might also be true that the flashing tool is
currently only available for GNU/Linux. Is that right?)
Brian
But I'm sure you can flash the neo with the debugboard too... for
example.
and somebody pointed out, the tool ist available for macos as well.
Yes, even under all NAND flash is empty/content distroyed. You could
still using boot from NOR function (a backup u-boot in NOR flash), and
using boot from SD card function into full system, then re-flashing NAND.
you mean, one can flash the om from an sd card, too?
or after booting up from sd
though i don't understand how this is related in any way the use of om
phones, the first thing crossing my mind was: finally.
anyway, i think it is _ totally_ off topic
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The Supreme Court made a ruling today on the
Hi Arne:
you mean, one can flash the om from an sd card, too?
or after booting up from sd card as described above one still needs to
connect to a computer?
Yes, direct flash from SD card without USB.
that's pretty nice -- though i cannot imagine how one would corrupt one's
om into the
If you want to be amongst the first who receive them, we are already
taking preorders:
http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Neo%20Freerunner
well, i preordered through group sale-trisoft.
at least i hope so -- i sent the money to the guy organizing the group
sale a while ago, he
Some pros. with having the glamo:
- HW scaling and 2D rotation (this is cool)
- 2D acceleration (this is also cool)
to be honest -- i never really could figure out what's the diff between 2d
and 3d acceleration.
so, what limitations does it impose?
- new case (might include a holder for a plastic stylus)
i second that, but it was already mentioned several times.
Something not resembling a giant keychain holder would be great ;)
you don't know my keychain ;-)
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Is anyone planning to try maemo on the freerunner ?
my question, too.
and what about ubuntu mobile? does anybody know whether the plan to test
it on om? at least it's the first open phone in the wild -- should be a
given development platform for them ...
although I'd have to learn to program TK (but learning a new plaform
seems to be my forte lately...)
not sure, if you confuse something:
gtk!=tk
gtk is a c based toolkit used by gnome and gimp, tk ist a gui toolkit on
top of tcl.
If all else fails, I'll get an older PC off of eBay (or
I think a lot of people hate QT so much that they don't even see anymore
that GTK+ still lives and grows as before!
excuse me, but why would one _hate_ qt/qtopia?
not being their toolkit of choice, ok.
not liking the visual apperance or the way one programs with it, ok.
but hate? what poor
There is also a nice feature that could be used with SMS: imagine that
the SMS is automatically shortened (eg by abbreviating words and stuff
like that) than it's compressed before being sent;
there exists a similar application, done in (horrible dictu) j2me.
a german university of applied
hi,
the other day i saw from motorola an adaptor changing a mini-usb into a
3.5(?)mm headset jack.
http://www.amazon.com/Motorola-3-5mm-Stereo-Audio-Converter/dp/B001A1IKFK/ref=pd_sim_cps_1_img/002-7641246-5084844
does anybody know whether it works with motorola phones only?
if not, it easily
it is exactly what we need :) we need to make people understand the
FreeRunner is unique, and can do things never imagined before!
you mean, upping the apparent nerdiness of its owners?
now they not only _speak_ incomprehensible but even send incomprehensible
sms ... :-)
does anybody know whether it works with motorola phones only?
afaik yes.
means it only works with motorola devices.
aww ...
back to bluetooth is it, then.
at least, the number of small bt receivers available with mic and 3.5
jacks increased over the last few weeks ...
look at amazon's for bt3030 -- that's a receiver from jabra, but amazon
will show you several others, too.
due to the annoyingly constant lack of metadata consistency at amazon you
probably have to look at every one just to get links to others, too. there
are about 15 or 20 models, i think.
haha, but you wont even know what FPS you getting :D
why not? there are leds and even a speaker -- a led could blink or a voice
count audibly ...
The glamo is the video controller. If you disable the glamo, you
don't get any picture.
Well, sure, but think of the bright side: you would
I'm searching for a bluetooth headset with 2 ears and 1 mic that I can
connect to the Freerunner, so I can hear music...and if a call comes in,
I press a button (at the headset or at the neo, that doesn't matter) and
then I can hear the other person over the headset and speak with
i am not really into all this gps stuff (the freerunner will be my first
device with gps), but maybe somebody finds this useful:
http://vlkgps.bielyvlk.sk/
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okay...so a bluetooth headset should have both a2dp and hsp to fit my
needs?
i am pretty sure, yeah.
it's a while i fiddled with a bt headset w/ mic at a friends request, so i
am not 100% sure whether only hsp supports the mic or if a2dp can, too.
but every bt headset w/ a mic should
http://vlkgps.bielyvlk.sk/
Thanks but this base seems to be already covered as far as I know. We
have tangoGPS that uses OpenStreetMap as it's backend and a small status
showing app for speed, current position and so on. The application you
as said before -- i am not really into gps. so i
What's wrong with plain old bluetooth?
most devices concerned do not have bt: tv, hifi, vcr, dvd player ...
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I use the SE HBH-DS980
(http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/products/accessories/overview/hbh-ds980?cc=gblc=en)
the earplugs are hardwired, no 3.5 jack, i presume?
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Magic address book stuff? Does that mean it announces the calling party?
I
love my JawBone http://www.jawbone.com but I have to look at my phone
to
see who's calling.
once announcing on screen works (which according to some videos already
works) it should be easy to detect if a headset
I must be missing something, any ideas what?
if usb is the means the om is connected to the inet, the host pc needs to
be configured to route all request from the om to the inet and back.
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hi,
does anybody know minimo?
and did anybody check how hard porting to om will be?
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/minimo/
i am not a big fan of firefox (though it has its advantages when
developing webapps), but for the moment minimo seems to me the closest to
a working web browser.
does anybody know minimo?
forget this. google kindly proposed to have a look at
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Minimo
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I wonder, is it just me or are there enough people out there who are
interested in having more power? Enough people to make it worth while
some
company (maybe openmoko) to tool up to produce a new back cover for the
gta02
well, there are probably a few ideas now floating around
not to be harsh, but could you please check your clock settings?
you're about 24h behind, it's a bit confusing ...
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the earplugs are hardwired, no 3.5 jack, i presume?
try this then:
http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/products/accessories/overview/hbh-ds205?cc=gblc=en
looks interesting, thanks.
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a phone straight away (which is fine with some tweaks). However,
care to elaborate?
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i think i read somewhere, the wiki probably, that om has no resolv.conf
(god knows, why). thus check if it is true and if yes, create one (simply
by copying the one from your pc). w/o name resolution will not work.
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The point is - what can we *developers* target for our end users?
fso, as i understand it. it offers a framework separating gui from
internals and is supposed to be gui toolkit agnostic, thus allowing to
coexist qt, gtk, e?? and whatever toolkits for guis will become available.
Without
written: Before you execute the command , please log in Neo FreeRunner
in NOR
Flash .
But in the instruction manual they say NOR is only for emergency and can
not
be written by dfu-util. Is this a mistake in the wiki?
still got my om, but anyway ...
i think what it means is the
Nokia's Meamo project. But one can use Skype on Nokia N810. Will OpenMoko
consider asking Skype to develop the client for Neo?
why don't you?
if skype works on maemo/armv5 it probably should be not much work to port
it to armv4, could be as simple as recompiling, couldn't it?
and if a
Most probably. I am waiting for one too and will use it with a SIM card
from
SIMYO.
same here, simyo started to offer 3g only recently so at least my sim is
not capable.
anyway, my om should be in my paws anytime soon (looking eagerly at ups'
tracking information every few minutes) -- i
for the SIMYO-problem: i found here
https://www.simyo.de/de/informieren/umts.html that all new simyo cards
are 3G cards. I would still propose that you request a new card, because
simyo is part of e-plus, so i think they use the same SIM-Cards.
i read it, too.
but, why should i? the
who still wonders why any freedom-loving person would ever
want to use skype
because it's obviously easy to setup and use and thus a huge bunch of
people use it.
plus: they got really good pr! ask average joe what kind of phone over
the internet he knows -- most people will answer
Assembled in taiwan reseller in france customer in shanghai . . . I
guess that's what's meant by global mkt
yes, it is! isn't it wonderful?
*scnr*
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plus: they got really good pr! ask average joe what kind of phone over
the internet he knows -- most people will answer skype.
Their prices are NOT the best on the VoIP market, at least for calling to
maybe (never used skype myself), but as long as people do not know there
is competition
It's actually even more absurd; FIC's factory is in suzhou
(practically a suburb of shanghai). A freerunner bought from a
european reseller would return literally within 200km of where it
began and needlessly travel well more than halfway around the world.
did you contact harry oder sean? i
Or with a little more work you can make the entire thing transparent by
setting up a VPN on one of those ports and just directing linux to route
all traffic over the VPN.
i'm sure, if it was that easy to circumvent the restrictions imposed on a
5$ plan, t-mobile would have dropped it
for the record: my sim of simyo (no frills daughter company of e-plus,
germany) made no problems whatsoever.
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1.) There seem to be three different images: the ASU, FSO and 2007.2. Is
it possible to use all on the FreeRunner having one in the Flash and the
others on the TransFlash-Card and select which one should boot in
u-boot?
two at most with little effort:
- one in nand
- one on sd card
2.) Is
Getting a new SIM worked for us in the USA. When I talked to the ATT
people about it they admitted
This was a common annoyance. Olds SIMS not working in new phones,
are there any specific parameters? version numbers or so one could give to
the people at e-plus, thus shortening the number
hi,
after a sight seeing tour cross town ups gave my om on thursday, yesterday
they dropped off the parcel!
now, i'd like to apply a screen protector -- how do i disassemble the
freerunner so the protector fits the whole screen?
i found
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Disassembling_Neo1973
but
Did I mention UPS suck?
i second that ...
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Does anyone know if there are any plans for a Dual Band GSM openmoko
phone?
It'd be nice to have an 850/900 phone for use in the States or in Europe.
it would neither in the us nor in europe work sufficently -- both use 1800
resp 1900, too. so the phone would stop working ever now and
hi,
somebody asked thsi already a while ago (but got no answer):
is there a package available providing a better keyboard than that
included w/ the freerunner, resembling a multi tap phone keyboard?
honestly, i can't figure out a rationale for spending effort on
implementing such a limited
i followed
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking
and it works well.
two things are important:
- make sure nat'ing works (iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s
192.168.0.0/24)
- bear in mind that /etc/resolv.conf of the om does not necessarily allow
name resolution. it
well, i did an
opkg update opkg upgrade
earlier (incl reboot -- new kernel) and it worked with wpa.
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did you
ifconfig eth0 up
before?
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hi,
right now i am trying to set up a build environment w/ mokomakefile on
debian/unstable following
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile
firstly, debian/sid does not know cogito and g++-3.4 anymore. while cogito
uis replaced with several *git* packages
(
Package cogito is not
It works. Where I used to get the multitap-pad I now get the matchbox
keyboard. It's not as high so you get to see more of the app, but the
keys
are smaller so harder to hit without a stylus. It seems to offer a full
keyboard, including Esc, Tab, Ctrl, Alt and cursor keys.
could you offer
btw: these are torx! Don't spoil with a phillips driver!!!
of course! and it's hard to find a sufficient small torx driver.
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did it too and built openmoko-keyboard.
installation went flawlessly, the only trap was the need to reboot.
i put the three ipk and a short instruction at
http://www.ginguppin.de/node/15
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Most modern Linux distributions would run both QT and GTK applications.
Keeping this may not be just a purely technical decision. It may make a
lot of sense to do the same on OpenMoko.
fso addresses exactly this request.
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Keeping this may not be just a purely technical decision. It may make
a
lot of sense to do the same on OpenMoko.
fso addresses exactly this request.
Hmm? This is new for me, can you explain this? FSO is middleware only,
and has nothing to do with QT or GTK!
exactly. the 2007.2 and the
1) Combine 'openmoko-devel' and 'distro-devel' into one list -- called
'devel'.
2) Remove 'device-owners'.
3) Remove 'hardware'.
+1
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Please keep device-owners and community.
shouldn't community members and device owners more or less be congruent,
now the freerunner is in the world?
and who of the newlyweds joined device-owners? i for one, didn't --
because i don't want to split my time and attention between multiple
It seems that this sig files are missing,...
Am I doing something wrong here?
nope. signature files seem to be non-existent, opkg probably checks for
them by default.
the miss of Packages.gz is more worrisome, because opkg computes the list
of available packes from it.
did you try again
hi,
from the hamburg group sale (or rather purchase) i participated in there's
still one freerunner available.
so, if you are in the hamburg area and interested, its 294,- € -- if
you're not in the hamburg area but still interested additional 8€ for
shipment.
The miss of those was just because I (as always) forgot to setup
resolv.conf (as Ian guessed correctly ;) )
check your /etc/network/interfaces and change in
iface usb0 ...
the line
up echo nameserver XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX /etc/resolv.conf
to match your dns.
hi arne!
do you already have it in your hands? if yes i would love to buy it!
yes. the freeruners arrived friday afternoon.
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