Re: Is there an echo-free distro?

[Alexander Frøyseth]

2009/1/26 Chris Samuel 

> On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 4:04:27 am Alexander Frøyseth wrote:
>
> > I use QtE 4.4.2 and have no echo with this fix:
> >
> http://www.csamuel.org/2009/01/08/echo-suppression-fix-for-qt-extended-442-
> on-openmoko-neo<http://www.csamuel.org/2009/01/08/echo-suppression-fix-for-qt-extended-442-on-openmoko-neo>
>
> Thanks for confirming it works for you too!
>
> > No problem with the sound either (I use only this fix, not the fix that
> > replaces the .state files)
>
> I actually had to edit them, but only because it was too loud for my ears,
> not
> because of any echo! :-)
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> I had to edit them to, but it works perfectly
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Re: Is there an echo-free distro?

[Alexander Frøyseth]

Yogiz wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm currently using a quite customized but up to date version of
> Om2008.9 testing (equal to Om2008.12?). It otherwise wonderful but I
> still can't use the Freerunner as a normal cellphone with it yet as I
> still get echo on the other side both for calls coming in and for the
> ones going out.
>
> My other phone is basically falling apart so I'll need to move to
> Freerunner for phone calls as well so I'd like to ask, which distros
> are currently the best for it. As I've understood the FSO does not have
> the echo problem [citation needed] so I thought I'd move to that. Are
> there any better options? I'd prefer a distro where I can use opkg but
> If none of these have decent call quality then I'll settle for
> something else.
>
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I use QtE 4.4.2 and have no echo with this fix:
http://www.csamuel.org/2009/01/08/echo-suppression-fix-for-qt-extended-442-on-openmoko-neo
No problem with the sound either (I use only this fix, not the fix that 
replaces the .state files)

It works on 4.4.1 too

Happy hacking

Alexander Frøyseth
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Sound from mediaplayer in Qt Extended 4.4.1 is bad

[Alexander Frøyseth]

Hello
The sound from the Qtopia mediaplayer is "on and off" the is breaks in 
the song, like if someone is pause the song every now and then.

It can also suddenly change song, or stop the song, pause the song.

I believe that the bad guy here is the new controllpanel that isn't 
fully implemented yet, the "old" controllers still are there.

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Re: Files and types

[Alexander Frøyseth]

Matthias Camenzind skrev:

  I added today a small mp3 in Documents and /opt/Trolltech/Qtopia/etc/SystemRingTones/ after restarting both were found. I think with jpeg it should be the same.I'm sure there exists also an other way, but i don't remeber now.
But I found a qoute form Petr Vanek: No, there is a "Rescan" option in the menu while in the "Documents"
I can't test it right now, may it helps you.

  
  
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 21:58:09 +0200
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: community@lists.openmoko.org
Subject: Files and types

Hi all,

I've been trying to view a few jpg images I put on the FR.

No matter if they are in the Documents folder in memory or on the uSD, 
there is no way I get to see even the filename of any of them.

Is there a guide or a wiki-page on how the FR recognises files, or am I 
doing dumb things?

Paul

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If it is Qt Extended, the files have to be in a folder named Documents
on the SD card or in the home folder



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Re: SIM contacts and QTExtended?

[Alexander Frøyseth]

Paul skrev:

  
Where's the best place to report bugs for the images from Troll/Nokia?

  
  
Try their forum: http://qtextended.org/modules/newbb_plus/

Paul

  

No offence, but that forum is useless (until now)

But no problems here, had problems when I copied the tlf contact from
Qtopia 4.3.3 to QtExtended 4.4.1



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Re: qtopia, earphone and mediaplayer

[Alexander Frøyseth]

Oscar Casamitjana skrev:
Hola a todos,
  
probando el qtopia
4.3.3, me he dado cuenta de que si conecto los auriculares mientras
está sonando una canción se activa el altavoz del freerunner
a la vez que se oye por los auriculares, pero si los desconecto, se
desactiva el altavoz.
  
Haciendo un hexdump a /etc/input/events0
obtengo lo siguiente:
  
** Conectando los auriculares ***
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# hexdump -C /dev/input/event0
 
  99 67 cc 48 62 69 0a 00  05 00 02 00 01 00 00
00  |.g.Hbi..|
0010  99 67 cc 48 b2 69 0a
00  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  |.g.H.i..|
  
***
Desconectando los auriculares ***
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# hexdump -C
/dev/input/event0 
  
  da 67 cc 48 3b 64 05 00 
05 00 02 00 00 00 00 00  |.g.H;d..|
0010  da 67
cc 48 84 64 05 00  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 
|.g.H.d..|
  
Como podeis observar, en la posicion 0x0c
cambia el valor, si está conectado es 1 si está desconectado
es 0, por lo que parece está bien.
Por lo visto debe ser algo
de la apliación mediaplayer.
  
¿Sabeis algo de
esto?
  
Gracias.
Oscar. 
  
Hola a todos,
probando el qtopia, me he dado cuenta de que si conecto
los auriculares mientras está sonando una canción se activa
el altavoz del freerunner a la vez que se oye por los auriculares, pero
si
los desconecto, se desactiva el altavoz.
  
He echado un vistazo
al driver /etc/input/events0 y obtengo lo siguiente:
  
**
Conectando los auriculares ***
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# hexdump -C
/dev/input/event0
 
  99 67 cc 48 62 69 0a
00  05 00 02 00 01 00 00 00  |.g.Hbi..|
0010  99 67 cc 48 b2 69 0a 00  00 00 00 00 00 00 00
00  |.g.H.i..|
  
*** Desconectando los auriculares
***
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# hexdump -C /dev/input/event0 
  
  da 67 cc 48 3b 64 05 00  05 00 02 00 00 00 00
00  |.g.H;d..|
0010  da 67 cc 48 84 64 05
00  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  |.g.H.d..|
  
Como
podeis observar, en la posicion 0x0c cambia el valor, si está
conectado es 1 si está desconectado es 0, por lo que parece
está bien.
Por lo visto debe ser algo de la apliación
mediaplayer.
  
¿Sabeis algo de esto?
  
Gracias.
Oscar.
  
Hola a todos,
probando el qtopia, me he dado cuenta de que si conecto
los auriculares mientras está sonando una canción se activa
el altavoz del freerunner a la vez que se oye por los auriculares, pero
si
los desconecto, se desactiva el altavoz.
  
He echado un vistazo
al driver /etc/input/events0 y obtengo lo siguiente:
  
**
Conectando los auriculares ***
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# hexdump -C
/dev/input/event0
 
  99 67 cc 48 62 69 0a
00  05 00 02 00 01 00 00 00  |.g.Hbi..|
0010  99 67 cc 48 b2 69 0a 00  00 00 00 00 00 00 00
00  |.g.H.i..|
  
*** Desconectando los auriculares
***
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# hexdump -C /dev/input/event0 
  
  da 67 cc 48 3b 64 05 00  05 00 02 00 00 00 00
00  |.g.H;d..|
0010  da 67 cc 48 84 64 05
00  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  |.g.H.d..|
  
Como
podeis observar, en la posicion 0x0c cambia el valor, si está
conectado es 1 si está desconectado es 0, por lo que parece
está bien.
Por lo visto debe ser algo de la apliación
mediaplayer.
  
¿Sabeis algo de esto?
  
Gracias.
Oscar.
  

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English please?



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Qtopia opkg sources

[Alexander Frøyseth]

Hello
I use Qtopia 4.3.3 snapshot (it is stable and fast), but for about a 
week ago the sources to opkg was "removed", or buildhost.openmoko.org 
was removed.
Does anyone know where the Qtopia sources are?

Alexander Frøyseth

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Re: Freerunner won't charge, and won't start anymore due to out of power

[Alexander Frøyseth]

Christ van Willegen skrev:

Hi,

On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 4:05 PM, Paul V. Borza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

I've flashed the updated 2008.8 on my Freerunner, and then left it for a
couple of days without turning on.
Yesterday I've tried to turn it on: it starts, the Openmoko logo appears,
and then it suddenly turns off.
I think this is because of the battery that is already out of power.



Apparently (and I've seen it too...), it won't charge when it isn't
booted, and booting is a problem because of a flat battery.

AFAIK the only option at the moment is to use a replacement battery.
Most people with a Nokia phone can lend you one...

Boot with the replacement battery, put in USB power (or the wall
charger), pull out the (spare) battery and put in your empty battery.
Red light behind AUX should turn on to indicate charging.

HTH.

Christ van Willegen
  

Does anyone know WHY it don't charge when it is off?
My logic says that it is very important to have the option charge the 
battery when it is flat.
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Re: Using freerunner as a telephone

[Alexander Frøyseth]

Cédric Berger skrev:
> On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 11:53, Cédric Berger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> Now that I have came back to a "clean" install of 0808 image, I will
>> retest reception of sms/calls while sleeping...
>>
>> 
> (humm no, that is not me sleeping, juste the phone !)
> So for these very basic tasks Qtopia works not too bad for me :
>
> * Just tried, and sms do wake up immediately my phone, prompt me if I
> want to read the sms and if I choose "Yes" I can read it.
>
> * Lock screen issue :
> If my screen is locked before suspend, it keeps locked on wake by sms.
> I had to unlock before choosing Yes to read sms -> perfect since it
> might have wake up in my pocket for exemple.
> There is a problem if it goes into suspend while not locked -> in this
> case sms wakes the phone unlocked !
> That's why it would be better if the lock screen was automatically
> activated before suspend.
>
> * I have never seen the phone waking up from suspend for other causes
> than power button, gsm call, or sms (such as GSM cell registration).
> (and I have 40 km travel each day, sometimes even roaming).
> I also tried to check yesterday that it was not, ie. waked up with
> just dimmed screen : even always tapping on the screen during the
> travel, it kept on suspend.
> I wonder what is done differently form 2007.2 or 2008.8 distro where
> it so often wakes up ? Does FSO work correctly ?
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Thank you for the review of Qtopia :)
I have decided to use the Qtopia image primary.

So it works perfect as a phone :)
How about the mediaplayer, GPS, WiFi and webbrowser?

Alexander Frøyseth

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Re: When are the sale gonna start?

[Alexander Frøyseth]

steve skrev:
> We have just signed up a disty in sweden, so you should be able to buy from
> there shortlty
>
> I don’t hae dates, getting ready for linux world
>
>  
>
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alexander
> Frøyseth
> Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 1:02 AM
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> Subject: When are the sale gonna start?
>
> Like the topic, when are the sale gonna start?
> It is 26. July here (Norway) and the clock shows 10:00 AM (and since the US
> is about 9 hour after us, the time is about 01:00 AM).
>
>
> I almost can't wait any longer :)
>
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Why wont openmoko start selling, instead of/with the resellers?


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Re: When are the sale gonna start?

[Alexander Frøyseth]

Yogiz skrev:

Like the topic, when are the sale gonna start?
It is 26. July here (Norway) and the clock shows 10:00 AM (and since
the US is about 9 hour after us, the time is about 01:00 AM).


I almost can't wait any longer :)

Alexander Frøyseth



As the store page says, why not check out the distibutors in the mean
time. I bought my Freerunner a couple of days back from Bearstech
(France) and should get it in the first week of august. Another
recommended distributor is Pulster. They both give two year warranties
as well. Check them out.

Yogiz

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I am in a group sale
If we are going to change, we have to write a new contract, that will 
take too long.


We have discussed it

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When are the sale gonna start?

[Alexander Frøyseth]

Like the topic, when are the sale gonna start?
It is 26. July here (Norway) and the clock shows 10:00 AM (and since the 
US is about 9 hour after us, the time is about 01:00 AM).


I almost can't wait any longer :)

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Re: 850 sold out, 900 delayed, connection?

[Alexander Frøyseth]

Timo Jyrinki skrev:

2008/7/11 Alexander Frøyseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
  

If that so
Why dont they sell from their own site first?



Well, to this one I had a guess that since there were European
resellers in the first place but openmoko.com itself does not have any
places in Europe, it was fastest and cheapest for the first customers
to deliver 900 phones to the European market as soon as possible via
the resellers. On the other hand at first there were no US resellers
so it was best to sell 850 phones via the direct openmoko.com shop as
they can quite cheaply post them to US.

Just guesses, but I don't think there is any conspiracy anywhere :)

-Timo
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You are a part of it, I knew it :)
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Re: 850 sold out, 900 delayed, connection?

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2008/7/11 Timo Jyrinki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> 2008/7/11 Alexander Frøyseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > And why are the 900 delayed?
>
> I guess because they all already went to European resellers.
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If that so
Why dont they sell from their own site first?
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Re: GTA02 final revision?

[Alexander Frøyseth]

2008/7/11 Bert Hartmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Not Quite, IIRC
>
> GTA02v5 is what's been slated to be mass production for ever. While GTA02v6
> plans were finalized a while ago, we'd still be waiting for it to go to
> mass-production, and seeing as the two are identical to the end user they
> went
> ahead and produced v5 (I believe v6 rearranged the board a bit to make it
> easier
> to produce or something).
>
> The important point is, v5 is (and should be) shipping, and there's almost
> no
> difference between it at v6 (I think the LED thing from way back came to a
> good
> conclusion).
>
> --Bert
>
> ian douglas wrote:
> > Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:
> >> Hardware : GTA02
> >> Revision : 0350
> >> Serial   : 
> >
> > I see the same on my GTA02 v5 (beta test model) Freerunner.
> >
> >> But on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware
> >> there's at leas an ATAG_REVISION: 0360 listed.
> >> Which one is the revision for mass production? And are there any
> >> differences between that on and mine?
> >
> > Steve has said a few times that the mass-production model would be
> > GTA02v6 but I don't recall whether he said anything about ATAG results
> > from 'cat cpuinfo'.
> >
> > I think a good question to ask would be: does the 14-day warranty only
> > cover DOA, or does it cover possible problems like getting a v5
> > Freerunner when you should have received a v6 ?
> >
> > -id
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All the v5's was modified, so the are almost no different between v5 and v6
anymore
So I have heard
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850 sold out, 900 delayed, connection?

[Alexander Frøyseth]

Hey
I just wonder why the 900 was delayed with ten days when the 850 ten pack
was sold out?

I was so happy to see that I was going to order my 10 pack of 900 on Monday,
but suddenly the date was 25th instead 15th.
When I saw that the 850 ten packs was sold out, I also saw that the 900 was
delayed.

Is the a connection here?

And why are the 900 delayed?
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Re: 850 MHz 10-Pack Sold out!

[Alexander Frøyseth]

2008/7/11 Charles Pax <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Wow! It looks like openmoko.com has sold out of the 850 MHz ten packs. I'm
> disappointed that the Freerunners are now less available, but thrilled that
> they are selling so well.
>
> What ten pack version will be stocked first, the 850 or 900 MHz?
>
> -Charles
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The 900 was going to start selling the 15th of July, now it is 25th July
If the 850 are comming first, then it is just unfair! :(

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Re: When will the sale of GSM 900 start?

[Alexander Frøyseth]

Marco Trevisan (Treviño) skrev:

Alexander Frøyseth wrote:
  

you meen 369 USD ?



Well, yes but he's including also 2 years of warranty and extra goodies.

  
Well it isent my call, but I the the group leader will agree with me on 
this.



If you're in Europe, I think that buying from USA isn't so cheap since 
there are high import taxes and you don't have any warranty.


  

No import tax, or any other taxes :)

And the shipping from US to Norway cost for all ten the same as the 
extra on two phones ;)
We have paid 2500 NOK (about 488USD) for each mobile (this include 
shipping and some stupid tax (25%) that is on every thing we buy, even 
non import gods).


The math says it cheaper.
And about the warranty, I think its going to be okey ;)
And as I said, its not my call.

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Re: US Shipping

[Alexander Frøyseth]

Tilman Baumann skrev:

Matthew Lane wrote:
  
Has anyone had their phone shipped within the US from the openmoko 
store, and if so what was your order number?  Just curious :)



Could you please not use reply for starting a new thread?
Your mailer is smarter than you:
In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



  

I agree
If you are starting a new tread, start one, dont continue
(you are messing up my thunderbird view)
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Re: When will the sale of GSM 900 start?

[Alexander Frøyseth]

you meen 369 USD ?

Well it isent my call, but I the the group leader will agree with me on
this.

Will it be a preorder sale on the openmoko store?

2008/7/9 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> How did you calculate that?
> 349 EUR - 10% for 10 pack => 314,10 EUR
> less 19% VAT => 263,95 EUR
> exchange rate 1,55 => 409,12 US$
>
> Compare that to 399 US$.
>
> Nikolaus
>
> Am 09.07.2008 um 09:20 schrieb Alexander Frøyseth:
>
>
>
> 2008/7/9 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>> Am 09.07.2008 um 06:34 schrieb Alexander Frøyseth:
>>
>> > And is it any other stores that sells ten packs?
>>
>> Look here:
>> http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Neo%20Freerunner
>>
>> Nikolaus Schaller,
>> responsible for that...
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> No option
> 546USD for one is to much
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Re: When will the sale of GSM 900 start?

[Alexander Frøyseth]

2008/7/9 Alexander Frøyseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

>
>
> 2008/7/9 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Am 09.07.2008 um 06:34 schrieb Alexander Frøyseth:
>>
>> > And is it any other stores that sells ten packs?
>>
>> Look here:
>> http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Neo%20Freerunner
>>
>> Nikolaus Schaller,
>> responsible for that...
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> No option
> 546USD for one is to much
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> I think I wait to the 15th
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Re: When will the sale of GSM 900 start?

[Alexander Frøyseth]

2008/7/9 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Am 09.07.2008 um 06:34 schrieb Alexander Frøyseth:
>
> > And is it any other stores that sells ten packs?
>
> Look here:
> http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Neo%20Freerunner
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> Nikolaus Schaller,
> responsible for that...
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No option
546USD for one is to much
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Re: When will the sale of GSM 900 start?

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steve skrev:
> from our store, expect 900 in a couple weeks.
>  
>  
>
> 
> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Rob Wood
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>
> Alexander. I meant to say available to pre-order now for shipping on 
> the 18th. Sorry Rob
>
> Rob Wood wrote:
>> We have them available now at our UK shop 
>> https://www.truebox.co.uk/trueboxportal/index.php?wk=Shop&thiscat=8
>>
>> Alexander Frøyseth wrote:
>>> I am refreshing the mokostore site every 5 min. Manually
>>>
>>> When are the sale going to start???
>>> Are almost sick to get one!!
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>> TrueBox Technologies - http://www.TrueBox.co.uk
>> T: 0845 5083397   F: 0709 2117048
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Why soo late?
And is it any other stores that sells ten packs?

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Re: When will the sale of GSM 900 start?

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Rob Wood skrev:
> Alexander. I meant to say available to pre-order now for shipping on 
> the 18th. Sorry Rob
>
> Rob Wood wrote:
>> We have them available now at our UK shop 
>> https://www.truebox.co.uk/trueboxportal/index.php?wk=Shop&thiscat=8
>>
>> Alexander Frøyseth wrote:
>>> I am refreshing the mokostore site every 5 min. Manually
>>>
>>> When are the sale going to start???
>>> Are almost sick to get one!!
>>>
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>> T: 0845 5083397   F: 0709 2117048
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But you dont sell 10 packs (not that I can see)

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When will the sale of GSM 900 start?

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I am refreshing the mokostore site every 5 min. Manually

When are the sale going to start???
Are almost sick to get one!!

Alexander Frøyseth

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Re: How many batteries is included?

[Alexander Frøyseth]

You get 10 pouches og 10 headsets in an 10 pack
Soo if I order an spare parts set I get an extra pouch and an extra headset,
and I dont want that.
And you get only one headset ;)

2008/7/8 Andrew Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> I'm afraid I have no actual information, just additional, perhaps
> orthogonal, questions.
>
> On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 1:05 AM, Alexander Frøyseth <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> But for us that are buying a 10 pack, we alreddy have the bag and the
>> earplugs.
>> Is it possible to buy only the batteries
>
>
> That was something I didn't fully understand (it's academic to me, since I
> only bought a single Neo):
>
>> 10 Pack gifts: Openmoko traveler's pouch and headset x 10
>>
> is that, "traveler's pouch and (headset x 10)" or "(traveler's pouch and
> headset) x 10"?  I'd love to hear the answer, if someone orders a 10-pack
> and is willing to reply to the list just to satisfy my curiosity :).
>
> The "Spares pack" also heavily implies, but does not seem to specifically
> state, that it includes _two_ pairs of headphones (one picture shows two
> sets of headphones, in different colors, which could be interpreted to mean
> "you'll get two pairs of headphones," or "you'll get one pair of headphones
> and this photo shows two examples of what you might receive;" the text
> states "stereo headsets" (the plural form 'headsets' implying I'll receive >
> 1 pair) but has no number and is immediately below a line that numerically
> specifies "2" batteries (again, only academic interest: I'll probably just
> throw the headsets on a shelf and never use them, since I just wanted the
> batteries and case)).
>
> Just curious, as I always am when confronted by ambiguous specifications :)
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Re: How many batteries is included?

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2008/7/8 Dustin Knie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> From what I could tell, there is 1 battery per phone regardless of single
> or 10-pack.  The Spares pack gives you 2 additional batteries and a couple
> other things for another $50.
>
> Dustin
>
> On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 9:35 PM, Alexander Frøyseth <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> Like the subject says
>> How many batteries is included in the singlepack, and the grouppach?
>>
>> Alexander Frøyseth
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But for us that are buying a 10 pack, we alreddy have the bag and the
earplugs.
Is it possible to buy only the batteries
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Re: Laptop Replacement

[Alexander Frøyseth]

Jay Vaughan skrev:
>> http://www.mamereplay.net/neo1973/
>>
>> 
>
> awesome!  i'm going to do that too .. maybe make up a very simple PCB  
> for it .. could this be the beginning of some interesting work in the  
> case-design/snap-in accessory boards aftermarket?
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A PCB that are just plugged into the miniUSB inside the new case.
So that you use the old miniUSB to power the PCB and then make another 
miniUSB contact in the new case.

That have to be cool :D
And easy for every noob to connect (if it is easy to change case)

Just change the case and connect the usb cable to the old miniUSB inside 
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How many batteries is included?

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Like the subject says
How many batteries is included in the singlepack, and the grouppach?

Alexander Frøyseth

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Re: packing of my freerunner`s

[Alexander Frøyseth]

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> there is a short video from the packing-process of my freerunner`s... :-)
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmlyR7u-zhI
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How did you get that video?
me wants to see my neo getting packed :(

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Re: Car charger to GTA02

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Marco Trevisan (Treviño) skrev:
> I'd like to buy one. Is this [1] good to get the full-charging speed 
> with the Freerunner?
>
> Thanks!
>
> [1] http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360065251941
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Yes it is :)
You only needs 1 Amp, this have 2 Amps

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Re: FreeRunner and Rogers/Fido question

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Philippe Guillebert skrev:
> Todd Courtnage wrote:
>   
>> Hey all.
>>
>> I live in Canada (Calgary) and am looking at buying the FreeRunner.
>> I've also noticed that there is no 3G support.  I presently have a
>> BlackBerry 8700 on Rogers EDGE network, with a data plan.  I'm confused
>> in whether EDGE is 3G or 2G.  
>> 
> Hi,
>
> Edge is often referred to "2,75G".
>
> To sum it up :
>
> 2G is plain old GSM (9.6kbits/sec)
> 2,5G is GPRS (about 50 kbits/sec)
> 2,75G is EDGE (about 200 kbits/sec)
> 3G is HSDPA (up to a few Mbits/sec)
>
> Neo Freerunner is GPRS-capable. Not awesome, but enough to check mails 
> or things like that.
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And thats exacly what I does on the mobile net :)
Expect for calling and sms

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Re: The next shipment

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Ahh
Soo the sale off 900 havent started yet
[EMAIL PROTECTED] skrev:

Phones are not sold out. They haven't started to ship 900 yet. It's
just a little confusing message.

On 7/3/08, Alexander Frøyseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

Hey.
I see on the moko store that teh 900GSM is sold out.
When are it going to be refilled?

Alexander Frøyseth

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The next shipment

[Alexander Frøyseth]

Hey.
I see on the moko store that teh 900GSM is sold out.
When are it going to be refilled?

Alexander Frøyseth

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Re: Possible Camera

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christopher bradski skrev:
> Good Morning Community,
>  I was browsing around the other day and found a cmos camera at 
> http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8668. 
> Its a 1.3 mega pixel camera and doesn't have much current draw and 
> under $10. I'm not an electrical engineer but was wondering how 
> feasible(with some soldering skills and a basic electronic 
> understanding) it would be to attach this the the freerunner? The data 
> sheet is included on the site. Thank you all in advance for your help.
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I want one :D
It is not soo important on my Neo, but i want one (or two) jsut to have 
and play with :D

After what I know, you can get raw RGB output.
Is this true? Or is it a little more complicated?

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Re: Spam

[Alexander Frøyseth]

Yes, but if anyone really wants to get the email addresses, they just 
join the list ;)


arne anka skrev:
>> Did anybody else notice a huge increase in the spam they get since they
>> first joined this mailing list?
>> 
>
> not yet -- but the archive at lists.openmoko.org does not hide  
> email-addresses. thus, harvesting should be pretty easy.
> maybe the archive could be configured to chop off everything after @?
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Re: Spam

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No increase in spam here.
I use thunderbird, so I don't see any spam :D
Mo Abrahams skrev:
> Did anybody else notice a huge increase in the spam they get since they
> first joined this mailing list? I never used to get any, and within a
> week of joining this list I get lots.
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> Mo.
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Re: Click Feedback?

[Alexander Frøyseth]

Never used it, and will never do it ;)
So for me, just remove it

Alexander Frøyseth
Michael 'Mickey' Lauer skrev:
> Hi guys,
>
> we have been shipping pulseaudio (which is quite a CPU hog on embedded 
> systems) on our rootfs for quite a while now. The main reason not to use alsa 
> directly was because of mixing, since alsa dmix absolutely does not cut it.
>
> However just recently I ponder whether I should remove pulseaudio for the 
> time 
> being. I have been mainly using it to create a click sound (touch feedback), 
> since ring tone et. al playback goes over gstreamer anyways.
>
> So... how important is that click sound to you? Would you miss it? 
> Personally, 
> I love it, since the device kind of vibrates (because it's low enough) hence 
> I immediately know that the touch has been recognized, even if the UI takes a 
> bit. However, I know lot of other people hate it.
>
> If we were to get rid of it, we could ditch pulseaudio and go directly to 
> alsa. This means no longer being able to mix sounds, but rather stick them 
> into a queue and play them sequentially.
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> Opinions?
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Re: InvisibleShield screen protectors

[Alexander Frøyseth]

Andy Selby skrev:

we would need you to send us one of your devices so that we can take precise
measurements and design the invisibleSHIELD to fit your smartphone the best.



  

maybe we can persuade Steve (or someone
else at Openmoko) to send a sample to their company?



Note that they don't mention that it needs to work, just send them one
of the devices that failed PVT

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Thats true
Send them one that don't work.
Or send just a empty case, and ask them nicely to sell the protector 
cheap, and if they do, send them a real neo :D


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Re: InvisibleShield screen protectors

[Alexander Frøyseth]

COOL
I want one on my neo :D

Alexander Frøyseth

Yorick Matthys skrev:

Hi,

I only heard of them today, but they look very promissing:
- life long warranty
- free shipping worldwide

You can find more info on http://www.zagg.com/
If you search the internet it seems almost nobody regrets having 
bought one.


Are there other persons interested in buying one?
(I already know of one)
We could ask them to make one for the Freerunner.


y


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Re: Cleared to start Mass production

[Alexander Frøyseth]

So the sale will begin soon then?
*Happy*

Alexander Frøyseth
steve skrev:

 The latest update I have from the factory indicates that mass Production (
that means running the SMT line without stopping to check stuff every two
seconds) has been CLEARED TO START.






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It will be available soon (within one month would be my guess).  Does anyone
else have a better guess?

You cannot book an order at present.  I reckon they will be able to ship to
Pakistan.

Cheers
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Masoom Alam wrote:
  

Hi every one,

I wanted to ask, that when the latest version of the openmoko will be 
available (seems a stupid question, as we can see a lot of posts on 
the mailing list :)).
Actually, I dont want to wait for one year this time, therefore asking 
this question.


Plus, is there is any possiblity at the moment to book an order for me 
in advance now?


Plus, I want to ship the latest version to Pakistan, any 
recommendation in this regard?


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Re: screenshots

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NICE pics :D

Kevin Dean skrev:

I think he was looking for pictures of the ASU.

You can see some basic ones here
http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/1432/qwerty-scramble-1.png
and http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/1432/qwerty-scramble-2.png

You can find a semi-reliable working concept
http://people.openmoko.org/ninjutsu/freerunner1.4.swf

Though, in truth, the ASU is still under heavy development and as such
the UI is composed of several independant elements that will, as time
does, be blended into a more consistant interface.

On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 12:01 PM, Rahul Joshi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

Don't know about other sites, but this one particularly comes to mind -
http://monochromementality.com/index.php/blog/show/Day-One-Openmoko-Freerunner.html

Rahul J

On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 8:48 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi all,

is there any page on the wiki that shows the current GUI state of OM ?

Especially with the 'switch' to Qt I would like to know how both
environments
interact graphically.

Thx
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What will be shipped with FreeRunner?

[Alexander Frøyseth]

Hello
What is going to be shipped with the FreeRunner, in single and 10 packs
Are the headset in the box?

Alexander Frøyseth

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Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm

[Alexander Frøyseth]

JoHo
This is for GTA03 +++ rigth?
Not for Freerunner
Joerg Reisenweber skrev:

Am Fr  30. Mai 2008 schrieb niclone:
  

Joerg Reisenweber a écrit :


Hi community!
A short poll: on a future GTA0x (>2), would you prefer to have
A) "standard" 2.5mm headset (mic+phones) connector, where you have to buy 
  
a 
  
cheap adapter if you want to use your "old" headphones, (the way like it's 
for GTA01/02)

or
B) classic 3.5mm headphones "Walkman(R)" connector, where you have to DIY 
  
an 
  
adapter for any standard cellphone headset? (or does anybody know of 3.5mm 
headSET standards or adapters?) 
  

B) 3.5mm

or

C) 3.5mm with 4 contacts, BUT backward compatible with standard 3.5mm 
headphones jacks. This mean that the mic contact must be the one which 
is far from the ground contact, not at the tip one like in GTA01 (and 
GTA02?)



 
C) is exactly what we planned thus far. You can easily create an adapter from 
3.5mm 4ring male to 2.5mm GTA01/2-style receptacle. Anyway I didn't see these 
adapters for sale anywhere, so I came with this poll to you.


Thanks everybody for your quick answers. Seems 3.5 is very popular and we 
planned for he right thing :-)


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Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm

[Alexander Frøyseth]

3.5 mm,
Like to hear on music
Joerg Reisenweber skrev:

Hi community!
A short poll: on a future GTA0x (>2), would you prefer to have
A) "standard" 2.5mm headset (mic+phones) connector, where you have to buy a 
cheap adapter if you want to use your "old" headphones, (the way like it's 
for GTA01/02)

or
B) classic 3.5mm headphones "Walkman(R)" connector, where you have to DIY an 
adapter for any standard cellphone headset? (or does anybody know of 3.5mm 
headSET standards or adapters?) 



please hurry to vote, we have to make a decision. Thanks

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Re: My second battery life test with the freerunner in standby

[Alexander Frøyseth]

How about charge the mobile every night?
And the powersavingapp isen't ready yet. After what I know.

Alexander Frøyseth

Eildert Groeneveld skrev:

Hei Folks

can someone enlighten me on this issue of battery life: it seems that the 
freerunner stayed alive for 16 hours and everyone seems exited. My little 
crappy Motorala stays alive for days if it is not used to make calls.


How does this relate? Are we waiting for suspend to work? or shall we need a 
stack of batteries to swap?


greetings

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Re: Any Stats on Battery life....

[Alexander Frøyseth]

Not the most perfect translate, but you can understand it.
http://no.babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-home&trurl=http://tinyurl.com/55tt3h&lp=de_en&btnTrUrl=Oversett

The interface is norwegian, but the translate is english

Alexander Frøyseth

Marco Trevisan (Treviño) skrev:

McCreery, Lee CTR DISA wrote:
I know everyone at OM has been busting their butts to get things 
pushed out, but the proto has been in the hands of many people for ~1 
month and a half+.  Is there any more info on how long the battery 
lasts?


I know this will get kicked back to “it depends what options you have 
turned on(i.e. WiFi, GPS, etc.), but with everything powered, sitting 
on my hip in stand-by, making 30 minutes of calls a day(nobody ever 
calls me that long, but the wife) what can we expect(1 day, ½ day?)


Finally I've found something!

Einstein from freeyourphone.de got a Freerunner and started a very 
good report [1], also if it's only in German (Google Language tools 
could help you, but I hope that the review author will post some 
informations written in English here too), it states that actually the 
battery lasts about 8-8.5 hours in standby (!= suspend mode, so with 
running CPU).


He doesn't exactly say what he's running, but at least GSM is going.
I agree in saying that this is a good starting point, since the 
suspend-mode (so with most devices off) isn't yet available in 
Freerunner (due to kernel bugs, I guess) and that should increase (a 
lot) the battery life.


I hope that both Einstein and Kevin Dean would post other informations 
about this important topic.


Bye


[1] http://tinyurl.com/55tt3h




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Re: Whats up with the freerunner mass production?

[Alexander Frøyseth]

Can you estimate a time frame?
Please

Alexander Frøyseth
steve skrev:

 The factory made us do one more Pre MP run to maximize yield. basically you
build a XyZ phones. you test them, Xy%  pass the test, and the factory says.
"good. can you reduce the test time and decrease the false negatives on the
test software, because that bad phone really was good." arrg.

Talked to sean this AM and everything looks good. 




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Subject: Whats up with the freerunner mass production?

Hey guys,

A few days ago, Steve said that the mass production will start on May
16...now, we have May 19 and I haven't found any announcement/confirmation
that they are producing...so whats up?
Are they already producing the Freerunner?

Steffen
  



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Re: Another little question about Group sales to steve

[Alexander Frøyseth]

Looks like that ;)
too bad actually, if we are 19 the is 9 that can't be in the *gruop*

Steven Milburn skrev:


PS:
I have searched the list  ;-)


Not well enough ;)

The 10-packs are modulo-10, not 10+.  You can get 10, 20, 30
not 11, 12, 13

--Steve

On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Alexander Frøyseth 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> 
wrote:


Hey folks.
Okey

I just wondering about one little thing steve.
Is the definition  *10 pack* for only 10 persons, or can a 10 pack
also be over 10??

Example: Here in Norway we have started a group sale for Norway.
And the chance that we are going to be 10, 20, 30, etc. persons is
slim.
So can we buy a *10 pack* when we are 12?

Or is it only 10, 20, 30, etc groups that can get the extra stuff?

Alexander Frøyseth

PS:
I have searched the list  ;-)

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Re: Another little question about Group sales to steve

[Alexander Frøyseth]

Steven Kurylo skrev:

I just wondering about one little thing steve.
Is the definition  *10 pack* for only 10 persons, or can a 10 pack also be
over 10??

Example: Here in Norway we have started a group sale for Norway. And the
chance that we are going to be 10, 20, 30, etc. persons is slim.
So can we buy a *10 pack* when we are 12?

Or is it only 10, 20, 30, etc groups that can get the extra stuff?



It has been posted many many times to the list that its 10 packs only.
 10,20,30.  Not 12.

  

Thanks
I just didn't find it then
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Another little question about Group sales to steve

[Alexander Frøyseth]

Hey folks.
Okey

I just wondering about one little thing steve.
Is the definition  *10 pack* for only 10 persons, or can a 10 pack also 
be over 10??


Example: Here in Norway we have started a group sale for Norway. And the 
chance that we are going to be 10, 20, 30, etc. persons is slim.

So can we buy a *10 pack* when we are 12?

Or is it only 10, 20, 30, etc groups that can get the extra stuff?

Alexander Frøyseth

PS:
I have searched the list  ;-)

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Re: Software Status Update

[Alexander Frøyseth]

May 16th are in this week
But okey, just have to wait a little longer then

ian douglas skrev:

Alexander Frøyseth wrote:
> Does this mean that FreeRunner arent shipped this week??

Yes, Steve just reconfirmed a few minutes ago that production doesn't 
even start until about May 16th... plus whatever timeline he 
previously mentioned for any final work to get things verified and 
packaged and shipped to California at which point Steve will open the 
web store and we can all start ordering our phones.


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Re: Software Status Update

[Alexander Frøyseth]

Does this mean that FreeRunner arent shipped this week??
steve skrev:

Ok,


It should not be a secret to anybody that there is a substantial work being
done on the software side. Frankly, I am not  able to answer any detailed
questions on it because I'm just focused on getting the hardware out with a
bare bones ( dialer/contact/sms)  level of software functionality.  
 
My approach was simple. Give me a phone and a "hello world" dialer app and I

will ship. By the time that phone lands in peoples paws, there
will be a software update. I'll start to detail that new software in the
next few weeks. 


Raster, can you address the enlightenment issue mentioned below. I'd just
beclown myself if I tried.

I'm hoping to get some stuff up on the wiki, but in due course.



 


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On Sun, 4 May 2008 18:39:10 -0700
"steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  
Also, I need to update everybody on software. 



  

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Subject: When will you update the Production Status, steve?



  

the weekend is almost gone (actually it is already here in Germany,
where it's 3:00 now), so where are the updates? :D




Since the last time someone made some prodding was successful, may
I ask for some official news on the software side?

I'm guessing it's everything at
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenmokoFramework (which that page says
will be in alpha version next month) and
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NeoSoftwareStack (which really does raise
the question of how Android is expected to fit into this, and what some
of the new applications like illume, assassin, pidjin, etc really are).

Or maybe it's the test cases and test reports being publicly posted?

Btw, how deeply is enlightenment going to be involved in the OM
software? Are applications going to need to be programmed with EFL to
have a native look-and-feel on the Freerunner?


Thanks,
Joseph Booker


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Re: Freerunner games

[Alexander Frøyseth]

YEESSS
I rule in linerider :D
But it is a glash game, so just download and run in firefox or something ;-)
steve skrev:


I want line runner

 


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JS0gloxj-os

 




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This was soo cool
Lost some hours of sleep to night because of that program.
But I dont know if it is a game, but cool was it!!
The is a Linux version, and it dont need to be installed.
Only run a file, and thats it.

Alexander Frøyseth
Kim Alvefur skrev:

I want this game: http://www.phun.at/ with an "Gravity follows real gravity" 
mode.
  
 






 
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Re: Alarmclock puzzle

[Alexander Frøyseth]

offcourse the puzzle have to be easy.
Just so that you need some extra sec to turn off/snozze
Georg Michelitsch skrev:

Alexander Frøyseth wrote on 05/13/2008 02:49 PM:

Hello again
I just have an idea for an nice addon or software (call it what you 
want) to the alarmclock

Okey, let me tell a little story from real life.
Every day when I go to school, I have to wake up, and now I have 2 
alarmclocks, but still I manage to oversleep. Soo what I was thinking 
about was that I have to solve a puzzle to turn the alarmclock off, 
and not just push a button. One possibility is a 4 bits jigsaw puzzle 
like this:
http://www.bimbambanana.com/index.php?p=Puzzle-alarm-clock-cool-gadgets&side=visProd&prod_id=21 

another, and perhaps an more easy to make is that the screen shows 
fours digits that you have to click in right order to turn it off. 
Perhaps like an antibot test on websites.


I am more as an web programmer, so I isent so good to program software.

NOTE: You have to have the choice to turn this on and off when you 
sets the clock

Hope that someone think this is a good idea, and tries to program one.

Alexander Frøyseth

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Possibly the turn-off puzzles shouldnt be too hard to solve, otherwise 
this'll result in alot of people (including me) removing their 
battery, smashing their neo while you're totally woozy in the morning, 
not really thinking about what they're doing simply to gain a few more 
minutes in bed :D


cu, Georg

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Re: Alarmclock puzzle

[Alexander Frøyseth]

I have to go to the other side of the room to turn it off
It helps a bit
Mo Abrahams skrev:

Sounds pretty cool, and I hope someone does it for the fun of trying it,
but in the mean time do what I do... put your alarm on the opposite side
of the bedroom so that you have to get up to turn it off anyway, and if
you use your phone as your alarm, change the alarm tone every now and
then, I get used to them and start incorporating them into my dreams.

On Tue, 2008-05-13 at 14:49 +0200, Alexander Frøyseth wrote:
  

Hello again
I just have an idea for an nice addon or software (call it what you 
want) to the alarmclock

Okey, let me tell a little story from real life.
Every day when I go to school, I have to wake up, and now I have 2 
alarmclocks, but still I manage to oversleep. Soo what I was thinking 
about was that I have to solve a puzzle to turn the alarmclock off, and 
not just push a button. One possibility is a 4 bits jigsaw puzzle like this:

http://www.bimbambanana.com/index.php?p=Puzzle-alarm-clock-cool-gadgets&side=visProd∏_id=21
another, and perhaps an more easy to make is that the screen shows fours 
digits that you have to click in right order to turn it off. Perhaps 
like an antibot test on websites.


I am more as an web programmer, so I isent so good to program software.

NOTE: You have to have the choice to turn this on and off when you sets 
the clock

Hope that someone think this is a good idea, and tries to program one.

Alexander Frøyseth

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Alarmclock puzzle

[Alexander Frøyseth]

Hello again
I just have an idea for an nice addon or software (call it what you 
want) to the alarmclock

Okey, let me tell a little story from real life.
Every day when I go to school, I have to wake up, and now I have 2 
alarmclocks, but still I manage to oversleep. Soo what I was thinking 
about was that I have to solve a puzzle to turn the alarmclock off, and 
not just push a button. One possibility is a 4 bits jigsaw puzzle like this:

http://www.bimbambanana.com/index.php?p=Puzzle-alarm-clock-cool-gadgets&side=visProd&prod_id=21
another, and perhaps an more easy to make is that the screen shows fours 
digits that you have to click in right order to turn it off. Perhaps 
like an antibot test on websites.


I am more as an web programmer, so I isent so good to program software.

NOTE: You have to have the choice to turn this on and off when you sets 
the clock

Hope that someone think this is a good idea, and tries to program one.

Alexander Frøyseth

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Re: Freerunner games

[Alexander Frøyseth]

This was soo cool
Lost some hours of sleep to night because of that program.
But I dont know if it is a game, but cool was it!!
The is a Linux version, and it dont need to be installed.
Only run a file, and thats it.

Alexander Frøyseth
Kim Alvefur skrev:

I want this game: http://www.phun.at/ with an "Gravity follows real gravity" 
mode.
  



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Re: yet another question about group sales (re: group goodies)

[Alexander Frøyseth]

After what I know, you get 11 goodies when you buy 11 phones.
Vinc Duran skrev:

I don't know your answers but I thought it was 10 pack (like order=10
rather than order=>10).

On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 10:41 PM, nickd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

I apologise if this has been asked before, but my Google-fu fails me and I
can't search the lists properly, *so*...

I know that if you order > 10 Freerunners that you only get the discount on
the groups of 10. In the same way, do you only get the same amount of
goodies as phones?

I.e.
count(phones) = count(pouches,headsets)?
OR
count(phones) - (count(phones) mod 10) = count(pouches,headsets)?

So will 11 phones give you 11 pouches or 10?

I need more coffee.



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Re: A few questions about the games

[Alexander Frøyseth]

Use thunderbird and IMAP ;)
You have a gmail, so no problem.

Alexander Frøyseth
Michele Renda skrev:

steve wrote:
ya. micheal and I talked about doing that exact thing, but we have 
too much

other crap to do.

HEY, somebody go do this. it's dirt simple.
  
Please, sell me the Freerunner :) I can not to check my email in every 
35 seconds!


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Re: questions for steve regarding group purchases

[Alexander Frøyseth]

Well
How are we going to pay anyway?
Talking about single and group.
steve skrev:


I'm not sure about the paypal. A long while back when I suggested 
paypal there was a backlash from


concerned people who thought that paypal was evil because it was 
American. I'll check on that.


( not the evil part, the paypal part)

 

WRT to one shipment, if you order a 10 pack and debug board  I would 
be surprised it was split into two


shipments.

 

 




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Hi steve,

thanks for the updates. I have a few additional questions on group 
purchase:


Can we pay the group payment via paypal?
If a member of our group wants to purchase the debug board, can we 
order that at the same time (and have it shipped together), or should 
he order that on his own?


Thanks!
 . . .shawn

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The 10 pack will have to be ordered by one person. It will ship to that
persons location.

Now, how will people arrange to do this? I thought long and hard about 
this.

And then I realized that some people will find one way, one guy pays and
others promise to pay him. Some people will find another way, half up 
front

and half on delivery. Some people will do contracts. Some people will just
choose to do a single phone.



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steve, what methods are being considered by openmoko for group purchasing?

most of us do now know the other members of a group and would like
some security that the group organised is not able to run off with the
money - are openmoko willing to engage in purchases via escrow agents?
or is it a case of 'sort it our amongst yourselves, all we want is a c
card number or paypal account'? if the latter is the case, is there
anything/anyone openmoko or anyone else here can recommend for making
sure things go smoothly?

thanks

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Re: Gaming on Openmoko?

[Alexander Frøyseth]

:D
How are the controlls?
This is a big plus :D
Robert Schuster skrev:

Hi.

Alexander Frøyseth schrieb:
  

Open Transport Tycoon Deluxe?
If that will go, I will be a very happy man :D


Works. I have put 0.6.0 into OE lately.

Regards
Robert

  



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Re: Gaming on Openmoko?

[Alexander Frøyseth]

Open Transport Tycoon Deluxe?
If that will go, I will be a very happy man :D

ramsesoriginal skrev:

I just watched 
http://gizmodo.com/388688/raging-thunder-iphone-racing-game-shows-tons-of-potential,
and asked myself what sorts of games are tested/planned/running on the
freerunner: For example, is planet Penguin Racer Working?

  



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Re: Freerunner and external Display

[Alexander Frøyseth]

no
USB1.1
nickd skrev:

bear in mind it's only usb 1.0
-nick

Ian Darwin wrote:


- not being able to connect a VGA-over-USB 


Sheesh. Stick a cheap USB 2.0 webcam on a stick, err, a tripod, above 
your phone and run that onto your display or projector. As Rasterman 
said, "it's a phone".


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Re: When will you update the Production Status, steve?

[Alexander Frøyseth]

Thats was great to hear :-D


steve skrev:


Its not days.  I'll get more details and update in a couple days

 




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So how long do I have to wait to buy it after MP has started?
Is it days? weeks?
steve skrev:

I'm trying to clarify that now. Yeild is good there will not be another
cycle. Test throughput, how long it takes to test the phone is being
improved. One production starts we will just build continuously, The build
process is very fast. The test on the back end, lets say to catch the 2%
of failure is the gating item, but that can be parallelized somewhat,
Then you have to figure the shipping. do I ship a lot per week, build two
weeks and ship, etc. 
 
What is your dissertation on?
 
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Subject: Re: When will you update the Production Status, steve?
 
Just to clarify, what kind of time range would be needed?  A week (4

weeks?) for production, plus another week (4 weeks) for testing?
If testing shows problems, possibly another 6 weeks for another cycle?
 
I don't want some sort of indirect promise on the delivery date -- I

know it's too fuzzy.  Just some help interpreting the meaning of the
update.
Personally I'm already committed and don't mind having some more time
of productivity on my dissertation before the sudden halt that will
arrive when the phone arrives :-D
 
On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 10:44 PM, steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

Minor correction, After we complete the test on the Pre MP, if we hit the
 Yeild numbers required, we start MP on the 9th at the earliest!. So, I'd


put
  

 the window at May 9 to may 16th. Just to be accurate.
 
 
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 Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 6:39 PM
 To: 'List for Openmoko community discussion'
 
 
Subject: RE: When will you update the Production Status, steve?
 
 The last Pre MP is done and mass production is slated to start on may 9.
 
 
 Phones will start rolling off the lines, they will go through test, They

 will be shipped to distribution.
 
 When the Phones hit the dock and are ready to ship, I'll do a press


release
  

 and announce to the list and the store will open.
 
 So you have 3 steps: build phone. test phone. ship phone.
 
 Then we take orders. I was very adamament about having phones in the


disty
  

 ready to ship before I opened the web shop.
 
 Also, I need to update everybody on software.
 
 Sorry for the short response, but those are the facts as I have them
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Reichel
  

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 Subject: When will you update the Production Status, steve?
 
 Am Freitag, den 02.05.2008, 14:25 -0700 schrieb steve:

 Thread: RE: When begin sales the freerunner?
 > I will update the production status over the weekend!
 
 Hi,
 
 the weekend is almost gone (actually it is already here in Germany,

 where it's 3:00 now), so where are the updates? :D
 
 greetings from Europe,
 
 Sebastian
 
 
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Re: When will you update the Production Status, steve?

[Alexander Frøyseth]

So how long do I have to wait to buy it after MP has started?
Is it days? weeks?
steve skrev:

I'm trying to clarify that now. Yeild is good there will not be another
cycle. Test throughput, how long it takes to test the phone is being
improved. One production starts we will just build continuously, The build
process is very fast. The test on the back end, lets say to catch the 2%
of failure is the gating item, but that can be parallelized somewhat,
Then you have to figure the shipping. do I ship a lot per week, build two
weeks and ship, etc. 


What is your dissertation on?

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Subject: Re: When will you update the Production Status, steve?

Just to clarify, what kind of time range would be needed?  A week (4
weeks?) for production, plus another week (4 weeks) for testing?
If testing shows problems, possibly another 6 weeks for another cycle?

I don't want some sort of indirect promise on the delivery date -- I
know it's too fuzzy.  Just some help interpreting the meaning of the
update.
Personally I'm already committed and don't mind having some more time
of productivity on my dissertation before the sudden halt that will
arrive when the phone arrives :-D

On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 10:44 PM, steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

Minor correction, After we complete the test on the Pre MP, if we hit the
 Yeild numbers required, we start MP on the 9th at the earliest!. So, I'd


put
  

 the window at May 9 to may 16th. Just to be accurate.


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Subject: RE: When will you update the Production Status, steve?

 The last Pre MP is done and mass production is slated to start on may 9.


 Phones will start rolling off the lines, they will go through test, They
 will be shipped to distribution.

 When the Phones hit the dock and are ready to ship, I'll do a press


release
  

 and announce to the list and the store will open.

 So you have 3 steps: build phone. test phone. ship phone.

 Then we take orders. I was very adamament about having phones in the


disty
  

 ready to ship before I opened the web shop.

 Also, I need to update everybody on software.

 Sorry for the short response, but those are the facts as I have them








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Reichel
  

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 Subject: When will you update the Production Status, steve?

 Am Freitag, den 02.05.2008, 14:25 -0700 schrieb steve:
 Thread: RE: When begin sales the freerunner?
 > I will update the production status over the weekend!

 Hi,

 the weekend is almost gone (actually it is already here in Germany,
 where it's 3:00 now), so where are the updates? :D

 greetings from Europe,

 Sebastian


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Re: Adding hardware

[Alexander Frøyseth]

The ports on the FreeRunner are one USB1.1 and a minijack 2,5mm contact
Nicanor Babula skrev:

Hello everyone,

It will be possibile to (easily) add extra hardware to the freerunner?
If so, which are the available ports (GPIO, usb, .)?

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Long to the BIG day?

[Alexander Frøyseth]

Hey all
Is it long to the day of release?
Can it possible happen before 17. of May?

And one more question, will the be included a memory card?

Alexander Frøyseth

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Will the Neo FreeRunner have a hold switch?

[Alexander Frøyseth]

Hey all
I just wonder if the Neo will have a hold switch.
A switch that locks the screen.

Alexander Frøyseth

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Re: 10 PACK UPDATE!!!

[Alexander Frøyseth]

Well
ONE of my friends say so

Flemming Richter Mikkelsen skrev:

On 4/25/08, Alexander Frøyseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

Not soo easy.
One thinks it look like a buttplug



I do not agree. Many of my friends likes the design - believe it or not.
And it is much better than many other phones out there - some even
has this ugly keypads
  


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Re: 10 PACK UPDATE!!!

[Alexander Frøyseth]

Not soo easy.
One thinks it look like a buttplug
The design ruin for many

Flemming Richter Mikkelsen skrev:

On 4/25/08, Mohamed Hazem <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

What about us the poor people with no one around interested in the
FreeRunner ... How are we going to get our pouches and earphones ?



Convince your friends to buy a Freerunner:)

  


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Re: Freerunner will be GTA02v5 or GTA02v6? (was: Fwd: Future

[Alexander Frøyseth]

I agree
I want a phone without bugs before one with bugs
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) skrev:

Bobby Martin wrote:
Personally, I want the hardware to be as good as OM knows how to make 
it, so I'm waiting for v6 before I buy.  I don't see any reason to 
delay the purchase for all the people who want to buy a v5 now, though.


Marco, you would have to wait either way - either everyone waits for 
the v6, or only the people who prefer to wait for the v6 do.  That 
seems like a really clear choice to me.


I'd like to wait, but my actual phone is dieing every day more and 
waiting another month (or more) is hard for me... Then I guess that 
the I'd lose the goods attached with the first batch of phones...


I can live without LEDs, but my question was: why shipping an hardware 
version when there's already a newer one that has all the known bugs 
fixed?!





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Re: HAPPY DANCE version .9. Teenagers stop fighting!

[Alexander Frøyseth]

HAHA
How old are they?

steve skrev:
 
I decided to do a test of sorts. I gave a phone to the boys and decided to

let them see if they could
Figure it out. I gave them 1 bit of info. Go buy a Pay as you go phone and
make sure it's GSM. Put
That Sim in the NEO. And I made them use their money. 


I also told them to make a you tube video. Then I said nothing else. They
went out to the stores
To get a pay as you go phone and to try to source a cable for the dang video
camera. They came back
And the cable for the video camera was the wrong one. I said nothing. We
opened the pay as you go
Phone. The plastic package was so thick I had two choices. Plasma torch or
garden shears. I chose the latter.

That's when the fight broke out between me and them. Who puts the simm card
in, etc etc?
"Dad you don't understand. Let us do it." So I did. They didn't want my damn
help and would not listen
To a fricken thing I said. I told them "fine dont screw it up."

About 10 minutes later my land line rings. Crap. Crap. crap. Who is calling
me now?

FreeRunner #98.

They will make a video later if  we can find a cable.  right now these boys
who never stop fighting are out having dinner together.

HA. Neo and world peace. I feel like miss america.


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steve wrote:
  
 
Dhl delivered  goodies today. I gave one to my kids. One phone. Two 
teenage boys.


Stress testing. They fighting over it. Ha.



If they break the hardware, is that a successful stress test?

Ian

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Re: Mini jack 2.5mm?

[Alexander Frøyseth]

Soo
32 Ohm is okey?
How rare is they?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] skrev:

Am Mi  16. April 2008 schrieb Alexander Frøyseth:
  

Perhaps that.
But I want to listen to music with other thing then the headset that 
follows.

I know I need a 8Ohms headset to use it on the NEO
But is 8 ohm soo commen?

Alexander Frøyseth



Nope, you should go for a 800 Ohm headset, which really isn't that common at 
all.

GTA02 will ship with a 32 Ohm anyway... :-/

cheers
jOERG 



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Buy the Neo fra Norway

[Alexander Frøyseth]

Hei
I have heard that only people from Asia and US can buy from OpenMoko
And that people fra Europe have to buy from trisoft.

The problem here is that trisoft is selling it for 399€

I do NOT know if this is true or correct

Is this true?

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Re: DHL has a package for me!

[Alexander Frøyseth]

HAHA
Good with a laugh at the evening

" No, they are currently unemployed" xD

KING answer

steve skrev:

It was funny, the lady at Customs called and said, "you sound like an
american"

I could not resist instantly imitating my swedish grandmother. 
Probably not to bright on my part, but I was annoyed.


Anyway, I prezented my papers. FreeRunner is out of customs jail.

Customs Person: " These are samples; do they work?"
Annoyed Moshpit: " No, they are currently unemployed"










 


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Haha

But ARE you an american?? hmm
Perhaps you are an alien xD

Alexander Frøyseth

steve skrev:
  

My samples arrived!

I'm in customs hell. They want me to prove I am an american. So I have 
to send them a copy of My social security card or my taxes.




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Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

[Alexander Frøyseth]

wtf?
This is an hocky movie

steve skrev:
The Happy dance   


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypnlOJjC368

 


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I wanna see a video of that happy dance xD
--- steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió:

  

I think Michael and I were supposed to test the 8GB version.
Actually Michael tests and I say wow and great and then do the happy 
dance.


He'll be back soon. We will revert on this. 


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Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

Ivo Anjo wrote:


Finally, the miniSD card, DEFINITELY leave it off,
  

unless you get a


really really really good deal, because you can
  

buy very high-capacity


nowadays, so it doesn't make much sense to pay for
  

512mb or such on the


neo, and then buy a multi-gb one (I am definitely
  

getting one of those


myself).
  
I agree, I'll buy one soon too, but what's the maximum capacity 
actually supported (I've seen the wiki, but there are no so much 
tests)? I'd like to buy an 8Gb Mini-SD card...


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Re: GUI package management

[Alexander Frøyseth]

Same thing with me
Michele Renda skrev:


There is an Application Manager program listed but every time I've 
tried it

use it I just get Segfaults

Me too, I tryed to use it from qemu :(

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Re: DHL has a package for me!

[Alexander Frøyseth]

Bad joke :(, but funny :D


Steven Le Roux skrev:


On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 6:12 PM, Kyle Bassett <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:


awesome!

why does it matter that you are or are not an american?

-Kyle


He need to cut his beard well and to not wear a turban :)

Steve don't let them any doubt ! ;)



On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 11:57 AM, steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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My samples arrived!

I'm in customs hell. They want me to prove I am an american.
So I have to
send them a copy of
My social security card or my taxes.



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Re: Mini jack 2.5mm?

[Alexander Frøyseth]

Perhaps that.
But I want to listen to music with other thing then the headset that 
follows.

I know I need a 8Ohms headset to use it on the NEO
But is 8 ohm soo commen?

Alexander Frøyseth

Ortwin Regel skrev:

Space reasons. I've been told that most phones use 2,5mm today for that reason.

On 4/15/08, Alexander Frøyseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

Hei
I just wonder why it is 2.5mm and not 3.5mm mini jack.
After what I know 3.5mm is what is normaly used inn headsets

Alexander Frøyseth

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Re: DHL has a package for me!

[Alexander Frøyseth]

Support that.
Please post som images :D
NeoSleg skrev:

Could you please take some pictures and make some movies ?



Just to help us waiting for it ;)



On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 08:57:17 -0700, "steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  

My samples arrived!



  

  

I'm in customs hell. They want me to prove I am an american. So I have to



  

send them a copy of



  

My social security card or my taxes.



  

  

  

  

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Mini jack 2.5mm?

[Alexander Frøyseth]

Hei
I just wonder why it is 2.5mm and not 3.5mm mini jack.
After what I know 3.5mm is what is normaly used inn headsets

Alexander Frøyseth

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Re: DHL has a package for me!

[Alexander Frøyseth]

Haha

But ARE you an american?? hmm
Perhaps you are an alien xD

Alexander Frøyseth

steve skrev:

My samples arrived!

I'm in customs hell. They want me to prove I am an american. So I have to
send them a copy of
My social security card or my taxes.



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Re: Norway - ordering a 10 pack?

[Alexander Frøyseth]

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales
Norway are listet here
Are one from oslo their alredy
Flemming Richter Mikkelsen skrev:

We are currently 7 persons living in Oslo, Kongsberg and Tønsberg.
 
If anyone wants to join, please send me an e-mail off-list.
 
PS! You should live close to any of these places!

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Re: PVT Update.

[Alexander Frøyseth]

I agree
I love to buy my NEO soon, lets hope they don't break them xD


ramsesoriginal skrev:

That's really great news!
And by the way, Steve, thank you for the constant updates (and the
whole bunch of updates of today), it feels great beeing informed!

On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 7:56 AM, Christ van Willegen
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Steve, all,


 On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 4:01 AM, steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 >   The last of DVT testing is I think complete. These are destructive tests.
 :



 So, short version: design is verified. Hardware is production worthy. Yeild
  

 >  results are good.

 Thanks for the update! I'm really looking forward to swiping my PayPal
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Re: next costumers location

[Alexander Frøyseth]

If not more

flexd skrev:
I was just making a suggestion, and as for joining the norwegian 10 
pack buy, i could, but they both live far far North in Norway, while i 
live far far south, the cost of sending it would most likely be about 
the same or more as the 10 pack buying discount :(




Heikki Sørum skrev:

First off all, I highly doubt if any serious corporation _or_ FOSS
community would engage in such matters. There are much more at stake
than just a wish to avoid a additional 25% VAT surcharge. ( That's the
tax he's complaining about.) Regardless, discussing illegal VAT or tax
evasion on a public mailinglist isn't the world's brightest idea. On
the other hand, If he'd prefer to pay less VAT there is a way for
Norwegians to do so. Norwegians are allowed to bring into Norway wares
worth up to 6000NOK (about 1200USD) _IF_ they spend a minimum of 24
hours abroad. If Flexd really want to avoid paying VAT I'd recommend
him to order a freerunner from a EU dealer and ship it _post restante_
to a swedish post office. Then he'l have to pick it up after
spending a day&night in sweden.
Post restante= Old postal tradition where mail and packages are
adressed to a post office rather than a person. Such packages are then
retained for two weeks _without_ notice. The recipient has to pick
it up and prove their identity before the post office releases such
mail/packages.
When that have been said, why cant flexd join the norwegian 10pack
order?
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales

Sincerly, Heikki Soerum.


Den Sun, 13 Apr 2008 12:00:06 +0200
flexd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev:

 
If ordering from the US (or anywhere really), would it be possible 
to have the package marked as a gift to evade taxes and such? 
Norwegian taxes are high, so we'll probably pay like half a phone 
extra >_<


Pietro "m0nt0" Montorfano skrev:
   

Erland Lewin ha scritto:
 

2008/4/13, "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
 
   
 Well, if you consider that you've to pay the shipping costs from 
Usa or
Asia in 10 or more people, instead that as an alone buyer I think 
that you

gain really more than 30$-8€ ;)
  

Well, that is the key question now for us in the EU - I believe
that FIC has said that they will have a distribution center in the
EU, which should make the shipping much less expensive. The very
high shipping cost in relation to the price of the phone I think
was a problem with the GTA01...

I'm very much looking forward to hearing about how FIC will solve
the EU distribution, and how much the shipping will be in Europe
on top of the $399 + VAT price, which I think is a very good
price. I think that info would be in the next update from FIC.

/Erland in Stockholm, Sweden

Yes, you are right, i was thinking that buying a 10pack phone is 
always cheaper than buying a single phone due to the shipping

costs. I'd like to know the eu price and if it's convenient to buy
the phone in eu, else there are some services that you can
subscribe for 10$ which give you an us address so you buy the phone
and send them there, after that you pay the shiping cost from there
to your nation, this can let you to not pay VAT, don't know how
much it's legal but i'd like to get more info on this services
because they can be very useful. Everything obviously is to see how
much the eu phone costs due to the VAT and other taxes.
So i have to get more info about this service but they exist so i 
think it should be a good deal to use them if in eu the phone will 
cost too much.


Cya!

Pietro

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Re: warranty

[Alexander Frøyseth]

What are the warrenty?

Alexander Frøyseth


Ian Stirling skrev:

Ajit Natarajan wrote:

Hi Steve,

If a group joins together to purchase the 10-pack, how will the 
warranty work?  I presume that each unit is individually warranted.  
I'm sure that warranty service will require a purchase receipt or 
some other proof of purchase.  What receipt would we use?  If we have 
to register, we would need to specify where we purchased the phone.  
What should we say?




And perhaps now would be a point to mention what the warranty on the 
devices will be normally, it's not a point that's come up as far as 
I'm aware.




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Re: next costumers location

[Alexander Frøyseth]

I know
I checked it out a couple of months ago, it will cost (from memory) 
about 500 NOK (81,98USD or 51,32€) per phone.

But the fee is mainly going after weight.

It are not cheap to live in Norway xD, or what flexd?

Alexander Frøyseth

flexd skrev:
If ordering from the US (or anywhere really), would it be possible to 
have the package marked as a gift to evade taxes and such? Norwegian 
taxes are high, so we'll probably pay like half a phone extra >_<


Pietro "m0nt0" Montorfano skrev:

Erland Lewin ha scritto:

2008/4/13, "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
 
 Well, if you consider that you've to pay the shipping costs from 
Usa or
Asia in 10 or more people, instead that as an alone buyer I think 
that you

gain really more than 30$-8€ ;)



Well, that is the key question now for us in the EU - I believe that
FIC has said that they will have a distribution center in the EU,
which should make the shipping much less expensive. The very high
shipping cost in relation to the price of the phone I think was a
problem with the GTA01...

I'm very much looking forward to hearing about how FIC will solve the
EU distribution, and how much the shipping will be in Europe on top of
the $399 + VAT price, which I think is a very good price. I think that
info would be in the next update from FIC.

/Erland in Stockholm, Sweden
Yes, you are right, i was thinking that buying a 10pack phone is 
always cheaper than buying a single phone due to the shipping costs. 
I'd like to know the eu price and if it's convenient to buy the phone 
in eu, else there are some services that you can subscribe for 10$ 
which give you an us address so you buy the phone and send them 
there, after that you pay the shiping cost from there to your nation, 
this can let you to not pay VAT, don't know how much it's legal but 
i'd like to get more info on this services because they can be very 
useful.
Everything obviously is to see how much the eu phone costs due to the 
VAT and other taxes.
So i have to get more info about this service but they exist so i 
think it should be a good deal to use them if in eu the phone will 
cost too much.


Cya!

Pietro

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Re: Quikwriting

[Alexander Frøyseth]

I agree, add it :D
That was genius.

ramsesoriginal skrev:

On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 5:13 PM, Ortwin Regel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

Quikwriting is the best input method for finger input on a small
 touchscreen like the Neo's that I have come across.
 http://mrl.nyu.edu/~perlin/demos/quikwriting.html
 There have been positive comments towards it on the list before.
 Does anyone have the time, motivation and ability to implement this on
 Openmoko? It would be very useful for me. :)

 Ortwin




Sounds interesting. The only problem is user education.. but if it
works this could be a really good input method for finger input!


  



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Re: next costumers location

[Alexander Frøyseth]

Have made a Group sale for Bodø, Nordland in Norway now.
We are two from here

Alexander Frøyseth

Steven Le Roux skrev:

I did one here :

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales

On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 11:38 PM, Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:


What about a nice wiki page telling if you want to buy a neo where
do you live and an email to contact? This could be useful to take
the advantage to buy 10 neo at a time and then giving it to each
one who was accorded.
Let me explain, i want a neo, i'm from italy, near milan, marco
(usual name here) live in milan and wants a neo too, (and so on
for 10 people)...
So pietro, marco and each other put an order together to minimize
the cost of the neo, so everyone can get the neo at a smaller price.

This is only an idea and a usual thing that i do with my friends
when buying something from US or other countries.

If someone find this useful can set up such a page? i don't know
how to use a wiki (yes, i know, i should learn how to use it but
now i don't want to do that :D)

Cya!

Pietro

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Re: Hardware update

[Alexander Frøyseth]

Thank you for that post.
This clear things up a bit.

steve skrev:

The reasons are twofold.

1. The board was designed to operate at 400MHZ. It was designed to run at
400Mhz because the CPU we chose was rated at 400MHz. So running faster than
400MHZ is NOT within the design spec.  The phone will ship with a 500MHZ
processor because that is what we can buy. Simple. we ordered 400 MHZ.
we designed to 400Mhz, and the part we can physically purchase is 500MHZ.

So, if I say its 400MHZ and somebody checks the chip, they will say " HEY
it's 500MHZ" and if I say its 500MHZ and somebody checks the speed it runs
at they will say " HEY its 400 Mhz"


2. Even if I could run it at 500Mhz the battery life would suffer.


So. We designed it to run at 400. All the cpus are rated at 500. 


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Battery life on GTA02

[Alexander Frøyseth]

Helo
What is the current battery lifetime on GTA02?
And how long lifetime is expected when it is "done"?

Alexander Frøyseth

BTW:
What about an extra battery with the FreeRunner when it is sold.

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Re: Hardware update

[Alexander Frøyseth]

Yes xD
I discovered for some minutes ago.
I feel pretty stupid xD

Sorry for that.
Steven Kurylo skrev:

On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 12:20 PM, Alexander Frøyseth
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

 Soo 400/500 MHz is no more?



I think you're confusing concepts.  We're talking cellular bands.  Are
you talking 400/500 cpu frequency?

  


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Re: Hardware update

[Alexander Frøyseth]

Okey
Now I feel pretty stupid
When I am hearing MHz I am thinking CPU and not GSM xD
Hehe
Sorry about that

Jacob Thebault-Spieker skrev:
It never was, from what I recall. The original plan was for a 
quad-band phone, but due to manufacturing issues, they ended up 
needing to do two tri-band phones.


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Alexander Frøyseth wrote:

Soo 400/500 MHz is no more?
or?
thomasg skrev:

No, you can chose between 850/1800/1900 and 900/1800/1900 MHz.

On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 9:05 PM, Alexander Frøyseth 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> 
wrote:


Soo
I can choose from 400/500 MHz and 850/900 MHz when I buy the phone?

    Alexander Frøyseth
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev:

Am Mo  7. April 2008 schrieb Steven Kurylo:

 PVT testing is in process, and I'll ask Steve to send
an update within 
the

next few days.

A little while ago when I asked, you weren't sure if they

are mass
producing the 850 and 900 Mhz versions at the same time.

Are they being produced at the same time or will we have
to wait a few
months for the second version?

Thank you.
-- Steven Kurylo
  


AFAIK, PVT is done for an equal amount of 850MHz and 900MHz
devices.
Also think I remember some statement saying start of purchase
is same day worldwide.

HTH
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Re: Hardware update

[Alexander Frøyseth]

Soo 400/500 MHz is no more?
or?
thomasg skrev:

No, you can chose between 850/1800/1900 and 900/1800/1900 MHz.

On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 9:05 PM, Alexander Frøyseth 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> 
wrote:


Soo
I can choose from 400/500 MHz and 850/900 MHz when I buy the phone?

    Alexander Frøyseth
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev:

Am Mo  7. April 2008 schrieb Steven Kurylo:
 


 PVT testing is in process, and I'll ask Steve to send
an update within  


the
 


next few days.
 


A little while ago when I asked, you weren't sure if they
are mass
producing the 850 and 900 Mhz versions at the same time.

Are they being produced at the same time or will we have
to wait a few
months for the second version?

Thank you.
-- 
Steven Kurylo
   



AFAIK, PVT is done for an equal amount of 850MHz and 900MHz
devices.
Also think I remember some statement saying start of purchase
is same day worldwide.

HTH
jOERG

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Re: Hardware update

[Alexander Frøyseth]

Soo
I can choose from 400/500 MHz and 850/900 MHz when I buy the phone?

Alexander Frøyseth
[EMAIL PROTECTED] skrev:

Am Mo  7. April 2008 schrieb Steven Kurylo:
  
 PVT testing is in process, and I'll ask Steve to send an update within 
  

the
  

next few days.
  

A little while ago when I asked, you weren't sure if they are mass
producing the 850 and 900 Mhz versions at the same time.

Are they being produced at the same time or will we have to wait a few
months for the second version?

Thank you.
--
Steven Kurylo



AFAIK, PVT is done for an equal amount of 850MHz and 900MHz devices.
Also think I remember some statement saying start of purchase is same day 
worldwide.


HTH
jOERG

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Re: Qemu images for FreeRunner

[Alexander Frøyseth]

This will wait til tomorrow
up 6:15 AM

Michele Renda skrev:

Nice question

The only way I know is this:

  1. launch the qemu emulator and load the image
  2. Using this wiki configure the ssh access
 
(http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_under_QEMU#Simple_network_connection_with_pppd) 


  3. Then to configure sshfs on your pc to access to a ssh share :) You
 will mount the image as a ssh share  and enjoy :) (Ps. if you
 use gnome you can use Places -> Connect to server -> ssh, it run)



Alexander Frøyseth wrote:

I found out of it now.
but how do I transfere files to det image?
Can I do that at all?



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Re: Qemu images for FreeRunner

[Alexander Frøyseth]

Michele Renda skrev:

Sorry for delay :)

I to solve this problem you can delete all the *.jffs2 and *.bin files 
from you qemu-neo1973/openmoko directory.


Then to launch another time the openmoko/download.sh script.

This issue is generated by an wrong image sorting, that put you to use 
an old image with a new svn version of the software. It made me crazy :)


Ps. Don't forget to make a "svn update" before to download :)


Alexander Frøyseth wrote:

Michele Renda skrev:

Alexander Frøyseth wrote:

Can you send a link to the image?

I use the qemu image available using:

svn checkout https://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973

then making openmoko/download.sh it download the openmoko image.

I undestand that to have an Freerunner emulator I have to apply the 
/openmoko/linux-gta02-pseudo.patch


It is right?
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Hmm
I get an error message when I rune openmoko/flash.sh

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/qemu-neo1973$ ./openmoko/flash.sh
/usr/bin/pngtopnm
/usr/bin/ppmtorgb3
make: `splash.gz' is up to date.
Using 'uImage-2.6.24+svnr4301-r4251-r5-om-gta01.bin' as the kernel 
image.
Using 
'Openmoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080406-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2' 
as the root filesystem image.
Using 
'u-boot-gta01bv4-1.3.1+svnr4297+gitb29661fc115106454288051bc9a488351ce8-r3.bin' 
as bootloader.

# Making an empty/erased flash image.  Need a correct echo behavior.
echo -en \\0377\\0377\\0377\\0377\\0377\\0377\\0377\\0377 > .8b
cat .8b .8b > .16b # OOB is 16 bytes
cat .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b > .512b
cat .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b >> .512b
cat .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b >> .512b
cat .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b >> .512b
cat .512b .16b > .sec # A sector is 512 bytes of data + OOB
cat .sec .sec .sec .sec .sec .sec .sec .sec > .8sec
cat .8sec .8sec .8sec .8sec .8sec .8sec .8sec .8sec > .64sec
cat .64sec .64sec .64sec .64sec .64sec .64sec .64sec .64sec > .512sec
cat .512sec .512sec .512sec .512sec > .2ksec
cat .2ksec .2ksec .2ksec .2ksec .2ksec .2ksec .2ksec .2ksec > .16ksec
# Neo NAND is 128k sectors big
cat .16ksec .16ksec .16ksec .16ksec .16ksec .16ksec .16ksec .16ksec > 
openmoko-flash.base

rm -rf .8b .16b .512b .sec .8sec .64sec .512sec .2ksec .16ksec
./openmoko/flash.sh: line 80: 
/home/alectbm/qemu-neo1973/arm-softmmu/qemu-system-arm: No such file 
or directory

Please wait, programming the NAND flash...

U-boot failed to finish writing in 300 seconds, giving up.


Any idea to a solution?

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I found out of it now.
but how do I transfere files to det image?
Can I do that at all?

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Re: Qemu images for FreeRunner

[Alexander Frøyseth]

Michele Renda skrev:

Alexander Frøyseth wrote:

Can you send a link to the image?

I use the qemu image available using:

svn checkout https://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973

then making openmoko/download.sh it download the openmoko image.

I undestand that to have an Freerunner emulator I have to apply the 
/openmoko/linux-gta02-pseudo.patch


It is right?
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I found out of it
Used this guide: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Automatic_emulation_in_Ubuntu

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Re: Qemu images for FreeRunner

[Alexander Frøyseth]

Michele Renda skrev:

Alexander Frøyseth wrote:

Can you send a link to the image?

I use the qemu image available using:

svn checkout https://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973

then making openmoko/download.sh it download the openmoko image.

I undestand that to have an Freerunner emulator I have to apply the 
/openmoko/linux-gta02-pseudo.patch


It is right?
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Hmm
I get an error message when I rune openmoko/flash.sh

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/qemu-neo1973$ ./openmoko/flash.sh
/usr/bin/pngtopnm
/usr/bin/ppmtorgb3
make: `splash.gz' is up to date.
Using 'uImage-2.6.24+svnr4301-r4251-r5-om-gta01.bin' as the kernel image.
Using 
'Openmoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080406-om-gta01.rootfs.jffs2' 
as the root filesystem image.
Using 
'u-boot-gta01bv4-1.3.1+svnr4297+gitb29661fc115106454288051bc9a488351ce8-r3.bin' 
as bootloader.

# Making an empty/erased flash image.  Need a correct echo behavior.
echo -en \\0377\\0377\\0377\\0377\\0377\\0377\\0377\\0377 > .8b
cat .8b .8b > .16b # OOB is 16 bytes
cat .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b > .512b
cat .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b >> .512b
cat .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b >> .512b
cat .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b .16b >> .512b
cat .512b .16b > .sec # A sector is 512 bytes of data + OOB
cat .sec .sec .sec .sec .sec .sec .sec .sec > .8sec
cat .8sec .8sec .8sec .8sec .8sec .8sec .8sec .8sec > .64sec
cat .64sec .64sec .64sec .64sec .64sec .64sec .64sec .64sec > .512sec
cat .512sec .512sec .512sec .512sec > .2ksec
cat .2ksec .2ksec .2ksec .2ksec .2ksec .2ksec .2ksec .2ksec > .16ksec
# Neo NAND is 128k sectors big
cat .16ksec .16ksec .16ksec .16ksec .16ksec .16ksec .16ksec .16ksec > 
openmoko-flash.base

rm -rf .8b .16b .512b .sec .8sec .64sec .512sec .2ksec .16ksec
./openmoko/flash.sh: line 80: 
/home/alectbm/qemu-neo1973/arm-softmmu/qemu-system-arm: No such file or 
directory

Please wait, programming the NAND flash...

U-boot failed to finish writing in 300 seconds, giving up.


Any idea to a solution?

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