Lothar
> Why switching. It's an internet tablet, not really usable as a mobile
> phone - in my mind.
nextgen maemo will have 3g.
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> channel = GllinChannel
> path = /etc/init.d/gllin
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ok, found it
copied /usr/share/doc/fso-frameworkd/examples/frameworkd.conf to /etc
and then modified the ogpsd section:
[ogpsd]
device = NMEADevice
channel = FileChannel
path = /tmp/nmeaNP
log_level = INFO
the debian neo1973 page can't be modified, but this would be very
useful info on it.
Brad
Hi everybody
I've been using debian on neo1973 using the wiki instructions at
http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnNeo1973
I added gllin and I can see it's getting a fix:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cat /tmp/nmeaNP
$GPGGA,171809.00,4026.092943,N,11147.023140,W,1,08,0.5,1506.0,M,0.347000,M,0.009
$GPGSV,2,1,08
Federico
> Out of interest, wouldn't it be possible to route the GSM audio
> through the CPU, and then through BT? It may be less then optimal, but
> I don't see why it wouldn't work?
yes... it should be possible to reset the bluetooth adapter to use cpu
(hci) routing. I haven't tried this (and i
most chips default to the right sco routing... there were a few
misconfigured usb adapters out there but this has been less of a
problem recently. The neo's chip is routed to pcm. You can verify this
by running "hciconfig hci0 revision"
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 8:12 PM, Cesar Eduardo Barros <[EMAIL
Daniel
> Problem is, the ID pin apparently exists only on the Mini-B connector,
> and doesn't have a corresponding wire inside the USB cable. Has
> anybody on the list done USB connector hacking, and have any tips on
> how to get a resistor in there without interfering with plug in
> operation?
I
Hey
He did bother to make a video. It doesn't seem like he's using the
time to just rip on OM, but he is bringing up specific issues.
The screen really is too small to finger-tap a keyboard so it's
unfortunate he's fixating on that particular issue (well maybe a
redesigned keyboard would work in
John
>> Note that the Neo 1973 can not currently run the OM 2008.8 software
>> (the latest release), and that there are no immediate plans to make
>> that happen.
This move would also cut the developer base down significantly.
Openmoko seeded the community with a lot of neo1973 devices and that
(
Joachim
> thats also my conclusion: x86 is not ready yet for really mobile use.
fwiw, atom may not be ready, but there are a couple of system-on-chip
x86 cpus out there that might be interesting. Just how much power is
still in question, but there's geode from AMD, some VIA offerings, and
a coupl
Hey
I've heard the support chips for atom have not been optimized for
saving power yet, so it may be another generation before atom +
chipset + solid state drive will be within any kind of reasonable
power budget for a handheld.
If they haven't already, they also need to engineer an instant wakeu
Ian
This may be related to windows needing a real usb driver for the fr.
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> Here's everything I have installed that matched grep blue :p
> bluez-utils - 3.23-r4 -
> bluez-utils-alsa - 3.23-r2 -
> I'll be sure to check the CPU usage next time I try it.
iirc, cpu performance is better in 3.25+ but I really don't think that
is going to improve your results at this
Hey
Looks like there still was no page so I created it:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Biking
I didn't see how to add it to the technical category. Maybe someone
can help out there.
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On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Daniel Benoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I reported a problem to the openmoko bug tracker a little while ago and I
> haven't received any feedback yet. I'm hoping I will get more feedback here.
there are two sources of possible trouble for quality, cpu lo
Robin
> i like the idea of a generator to charge the neo, but don't like the
> idea of using my pedal power directly.
Maybe for you it makes more sense to power off the screen and gps so
you can get to your destination quicker :)
In practice, people haven't been successful in regenerating
effici
Hey
> My solution consists of a MOSFET rectifier bridge and a low-dropout
> linear voltage regulator that outputs 5 volts:
>
> http://www.iki.fi/~msmakela/electronics/dynamo5v/
a switching regulator would generate less waste heat and present less
physical resistance in the dynamo. Maybe it's negl
Hey
> I would like to show him the photo of mount-kit, and even the charger after
> you finish it.
I have a bike mount that is single-use. It's not so impressive, but it
was just 10c. I snapped a pic before trimming it :)
http://www.xmission.com/~bmidgley/neobike.jpg
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>> The next step would be a dynamo-powered charger for the Freerunner. I
>> read an article in the german computer magazine ct [2] about creating a
>> converter for charging USB devices while riding your bike with a
>> hub-dynamo.
I like the idea of a hub dynamo or using induction like the re
Alexander
Check the modules tarball. It's released with firmware images. I used
it for the modules I needed for a few usb devices.
Brad
On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 5:39 AM, Alexander Syring
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> Hi
> I want to compile the USB GADGED STORAGE module for the kernel how I have to
Gino
> The card is recognized but the driver is super buggy. I've just finished
> compiling a new kernel doing away with the mac80211 version for the
> ieee80211 one. This 'should' resolve the issue with the card for me.
I'm curious... are you using an external adapter so you can get
monitor, mas
hey
Make sure you have charged up batteries... you're supposed to flip the
switch on the hub on so it uses the battery power to run the hub and
usb devices. You'll get both red and blue LEDs on when this is
working. Without the red LED showing, you'll be trying to overload the
FR with not just cha
Guys
> seriously: somebody dissect the freerunner of michael :)
I do feel jealous too because I wish I could be sitting on a quiet
hillside today.
the constellation of satellites is constantly changing, so it's likely
that fix times (or ability to fix at all) will change over hours or
days. This
Ben
> I wonder how feasible/effective it would be to do some extra realtime
> compression on the GPRS data link?
ppp tries to compress it already, yes.
some carriers stuck with gprs rates used to try payload manipulation.
one way is with an http proxy that removes fidelity from images before
sen
kenneth
> and as not many headsets come with a display, im guessing a lot of handsets
> just dont bother implementing support for that part of the spec?
the handset should implement it in order to pass qualification, but it
seems there's an out for handset makers by claiming the network won't
sup
kenneth
> where if its paired up with a recent sonyericsson phone, it can display the
> number (or name if stored in the phones contacts) of whoever is calling.
>
> i dont recall this being part of the official bluetooth spec at any point...
this is in the handsfree spec. they call it "calling li
Tilman
> Tangogps downloads tiles (images!) from the internet to show maps. And
> tangogps uses gpsd, which is supposed to become obsolete...
why is gpsd supposed to become obsolete?
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>> maybe then we should create something like a plugin (or extension) for
>> openstreetmaps, so we can append many kinds of meta-data (such as radar
>> positions, gsm coverage, whatsoever) to existing maps... kinda points of
>> interest (?) :)
is there software out there that takes
incomp
Michele
> Do you want feature X or feature Y?
you might need a table representing the cost and business feasibility
of each feature. We've seen a lot more transparency on the 3g decision
recently which reveals it to be more complicated than people thought.
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>> gpsd has a mode where it listens to both the gps and an online dgps
>> source and produces corrected output. See the manpage for gpsd. I
>> think you have to have the unit online continuously.
> Does gpsd have control over the various satelite signals? I thought
> D-GPS only works before po
Joseph
> That's what I, as an archaeologist, want D-GPS for :)
gpsd has a mode where it listens to both the gps and an online dgps
source and produces corrected output. See the manpage for gpsd. I
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> | I'm unable to test either of these with the verizon 3g/evdo usb
> | adapter... I don't have access to it this week :(
I did find one of these at the office... so it does work, woohoo. At
least with the AA supply. I'll test the AAA battery hub setup too when
I can.
I had to plug in the v
Hey
I figured I would share... I cut a mini-usb plug's insulation right
down to the housing and opened the housing to solder the 47k resistor
to the id pin. I cut up a regular usb extension cord to get the Y
part. Everything is wired together except the d+ and d- coming from
the male usb side are
Yorick
> Maybe I missed somehting, but to my knowlegde the AGPS is not yet working on
> the Freerunner.
> Is there any work being done to get AGPS working? Does anybody have an idea
> if it will ever be implemented or not? And if it will be implemented, when
> will it be ready?
Len Chen sent a pd
Clinton
>> It should be no problem. You just have to set up your routing tables
>> correctly
>
> I think this should work automagically using pppd on both ends.
still... you can't bridge the ppp adapter so it will have to be on its
own subnet that you masquerade or route appropriately.
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> If anyone is really interested in make this phone an AP to whatever use
> and if a external power is an option, why not use a USB 1.1 wireless
> adapter able to do that even it only do it in b instead of g if the usb
> 1.1 doen't allow the 54 Mb/s
I've not had much luck finding a so
Michael
> Question:
> Is it possible to charge the Neo Freerunner when using the USB port in host
> mode, by ascerting LOGICAL hostmode and by NOT asserting EN_USBHOST?
It's not just related, it goes to the core of the issue. :)
Joerg assured us that we can do this. When the 47k resistor is
pres
Andy
> ~ It certainly works out OK for USB memory sticks anyway. "Battery life
> will be impacted" it is fair to say though.
not to sound like too much of a nut... I love my portable tech gear...
but there is a battery-operated hub that might be interesting to toss
in the mix ("CP-H420MP"). I'm
Joerg
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 2:30 AM, Joerg Reisenweber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Am Mi 28. Mai 2008 schrieb Brad Midgley:
>> i think it may still be up in the air
> Nope it's not, see Y-cable in wiki. Should work perfectly. You just have to
> find the 5pin-min
Andy
> I have one of these 3G dongles, it should work from Freerunner battery
> OK since we have a charge pump for the full 500mA it is allowed to pull.
this verizon dongle comes with a Y cable of its own to plug into two
usb host ports... ostensibly because it pulls more than 500mA.
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On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 7:19 PM, nickd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That's a great idea Matt! Might be a drain on the battery moving packets
> around though. Speaking of which, would anyone know if it would be possible
> to use a 3G USB dongle on one of these?
you can use a gta01 with a y-ca
Marcel
> Isn't this diagram outdated?
the wiki history suggests it was posted earlier this month.
we could speculate about android. It ostensibly just requires the
linux kernel but there would have to be some wiring to drive the
neo-specific stuff correctly.
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> There is an email from Andy Green in March saying says we don't have
> monitor mode, which I think means no promiscuous mode.
It would also be handy to get master mode. I can't see if ar6k will
work in master mode, but a minipci ar5413 in my laptop at least used
to do this using the closed
Jens
> I found further information how to use the GPS-information from
> Neo/Freerunner via Bluetooth on a laptop. Will it be possible to use the
> Freerunner as external GPS-device via bluetooth with a Nokia N73 also
> (perhaps with following the description under "Bluetooth GPS relay"?)?
yes,
Michael
It's called dead reckoning and it's generally only useful with a fixed
unit, eg mounted in a car. Even better if it has telemetry from the
speedometer.
Brad
On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 11:45 AM, simarillion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Is there already any project that tries to use the ac
Hey
> Things get way more interesting with the FreeRunner however. Don't
> have a Wireless network card? Well...
There may not be a built-in way to activate it, but it'll be in
there... it's part of bluez. It may require some 3rd party work to
make it easy to get at.
The bluez daemon for this,
Steven
> I talk with friends and co-workers about OpenMoko and the Neo
> Freerunner all the time. Inevitably, they say something like "That's
> cool. Will it work with Verizon?"
I believe making something that will work with verizon/sprint is not
just a technical but also political task. The
Guys
It shouldn't be treated like an either-or for wifi and 3g. The phone
should have both. Most other smart phones are doing this. It's amazing
Apple is able to pull off a phone limited to edge cell speeds
successfully. They are unique and probably planned all along to have
their loyal crowd upgr
Andy
> 1. Yes.
> 2. No and I kill kittens.
yes, that's the kind of influence we need. Do you know about push
polling? You would need to load the question too.
The radiobuttons on the right didn't work but those in the middle
column did. My vote seems to have counted, and no, I'm not from
Flori
Hey
Are you trying to influence the poll? "No, 3g is essential" won't
register... a popup tells me to select a valid choice :)
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thanks joerg
I've tried to write this up as succinctly as I can.
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware#USB_Host
> In the end this means: the 47k ID-R should be in the Y-adapter, and you may
> use arbitrary usb-chargers (>1A) with it for quick-charge. However the
> OM-cha
joerg,
> Ah, i see a Y-adapter: one end usb-device, one end receptable for usb
> charger,
> one end GTA02 *with ID-R of e.g 82k* PLUS *2 x 15k pulldown*.
> And GTA02 automatically switching to external powered host mode. :-)
> This was on the list of accessories from the beginning, wasn't it?
Robin
The cranks I've tried don't have much in the way of voltage regulation
and usually don't have a capacitor to avoid voltage dropouts when you
skip a beat... the duracell flashlight/usb crank voltage varies all
over 3v-5.5v with inconsistent cranking. At least the "sidewinder" has
a cap to avo
Andy
> So we must do the test to find out where we are.
Interesting stuff. The test result may also vary based on whether the
external voltage is a little higher or lower than what comes out of
the pump.
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Andy
> Currently the pump that provides 5V for the external device is enabled
> whenever we are in host mode. I don't know what that thing will do if
> we provide 5V externally too, probably it will be okay but it needs testing.
You wrote "currently". Does that mean with a software change we
Hey
My neo can run in host mode at the same time it's charging, using a Y
cable or a hardware hack (*).
Can this still be done with freerunner? It will provide power to a usb
slave so it may not be prepared to get juice in at the same time.
* eg
http://chockerblockablog.blogspot.com/2008/03/neo
doh
> there does need to be a conrol panel for neo for pairing
sorry, being lazy. a control panel is needed just for openmoko. :)
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> Should there be a daemon that controls enabling/disabling BT, pairing,
> storing PINs and device IDs,
> reconnects devices that has being paired and becomes available, etc.
> Or should this be handled only and directly with bluez?
it is handled by bluez.
> Along with the daemon should be
Michael
> I'm pretty sure that the only "new" things we mentioned were new
> hardware features: WiFi, faster processor, 2D/3D accelerator chip, and
> the accelerometers.
ah yes, 3d! It'll be nice to have 3d renderings using something like
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I was able to make out "what's new" and "two things that are new" and
nothing after that. We can probably guess he meant wifi and maybe
fixed gsm firmware.
On Jan 11, 2008 8:45 AM, andy selby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Michael,
> >
> > Are you aware of any online sites that might have done
Hi
It would be appropriate for this to be handled mostly by bluez, but
the missing piece is gsmd needs to present some APIs for sim card
access from the gsm module.
I don't see anything about it in the gsmd docs on the wiki:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gsmd/document
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wi
Doug
> Seems unlikely bluetooth will ever be used for video. Insufficient
> bandwidth.
there is a spec for this and there is industry interest for some
specialized uses. I've seen a product advertised that allows you to
send video from a phone to a box that plugs into the tv to show off
phone-ca
Joshua
To put your mind at ease, yes it would be insane to try to add gsm to
an n810. You'd end up with an external battery, new enclosure, etc.
There is no advantage over using a basic bluetooth phone with DUN.
If a triband with 850 can't be worked out or isn't for you, I'm sure
the third gen ha
hey friend
MS got in trouble with Sun for doing something a little bit similar,
but they had a licensing agreement in place that put MS in hot water.
I wonder if on a technical level it rules out cool stuff like jruby...
> > - Android code is written to a unique dialect of Java (super/subset)
>
Mikko
> 850 MHz:
> 1) Sucks for NA people, for sure. Luckily I have no intention of
> traveling there (well, maybe Canada sometime), but I feel the pain of
> those stuck there.
poor schmucks who are "stuck in Canada". that's priceless. :)
> 2) It _does_ seem like a big blunder on the part of FIC
looks like it was developed with an active digitizer... (eg mousing
over stuff the insertion hotspot)
On 10/30/07, Gabriel Ambuehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I believe this merits some very in deep looks:
>
> http://risujin.org/cellwriter/
>
> (via http://www.valdyas.org/fading/index.cgi/2007/10
Steve
> I wonder why this update can't be done in the field. The only cellular
> phones I can think of that had radio code which wasn't field updatable
> were AMPS phones with the firmware in (OT/E)PROMs. Surely the radio
> firmware in the Neo 1973 is stored in some sort of reprogrammable
> non-
CTED]> wrote:
> So the consensus is that the Neo won't work in the US if you just go an get
> a new account with AT&T or T-Mobile?
>
>
> On 10/8/07, Brad Midgley < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Ian
> >
> > We've heard bits and piece
Ian
We've heard bits and pieces on this. I believe where it stands is
people are investigating and the GSM module likely needs a firmware
update to handle a SIM like yours. Back when it was clear the P0
needed a GSM firmware update, it was made more or less clear that this
isn't an update that can
Jonathon
edr affects only data rate. there are some low-level features that
bt2.0 brings, but I'm not aware of any profiles that specifically
require bt2.0 features.
Brad
On 10/5/07, Jonathon Suggs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Brad Midgley wrote:
> > Johathon
> >
>
Johathon
Yes it is a bluetooth 2.0+extended data rate adapter (strangely there
are a few bt2.0 devices without edr)
The available profiles are determined by the software stack.
Brad
On 10/5/07, Jonathon Suggs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'll just be honest and say that I am just too lazy to se
Richard
It's not a good idea to mix the old audio drivers (btsco, headsetd,
a2dpd) with the new ("bluetooth" in asound.conf). If you want to try a
voice headset, the best way is to get python and follow the example on
the wiki--this uses only the new driver and should not have the
default device s
Richard
Make sure the headset is in pairing mode. If you've used the headset
with another phone, you might turn off that phone to keep things
simple.
btw, running "sdptool records " is another good test.
Brad
On 9/28/07, root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I config bluetooth in accordance with th
Brad! :)
neo uses a csr bluecore4 chip. there's a bluecore5-mm which includes
an fm radio. It might even work where the bc4 currently sits.
otoh, the bc5-mm is starting to show up in bluetooth headsets. As long
as you didn't need to record the radio for some reason or expect to
get sideband data,
Hi
Sharing contacts, dates, etc is complicated enough that you should
push for openmoko and qtopia to support a standards-based sync with an
external server. Then it becomes a more generic problem of
interoperability instead of an obscure feature request.
Brad
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Yes, entertaining. It's always funny how you cringe when the
mainstream media says something backwards or funky because they don't
have the terminology right or much of an understanding of the thing.
One or two cringe moments watching this vid.
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Hey
It looks to me like the qtopia guys actually started with openmoko and
ripped out the gui and some daemons. Too bad there's not an easy way
to take advantage of all that common code.
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We would like BlueZ to support SAP. There are some tricky parts with
doing this with the GSM module. It either needs to be taken up by FIC
with TI or someone needs to find some
Texas Instruments Calypso docs that document the interaction with the
GSM module to do SAP.
Brad
On 9/11/07, M
Lorn
> Just between you and me... there will be some great announcements in the
> next few weeks.
I think you just said the loud part quiet and the quiet part loud (a
simpsons reference :)
One big question out there regarding the viability of other platforms
on neo remains: how much effort is FI
Hi
> But most of them just power the 5V line. This is bad with 99% of the bad
> behaving usb gadgets out there.
> But Neo is prolite and asks the host if it could draw it's 500mA and if
> not only takes 100mA out of the bus.
this excessive politeness rules out hand-crank charger, solar cell,
batt
Thomas
> Yet another poor iPhone-lookalike. *gape*
> Sorry, but can't see the clones and the original anymore.
If someone has put together a decent scheme for a UI with only a
touchscreen, it should serve as inspiration, not repulsion.
(Multitouch is irrelevant here--we can have an excellent,
wel
Hey
Red flag is showing off some very inviting touch menus. The page
demonstrates them on an asus r2h which also has a gps.
http://apcmag.com/5896/gallery_intels_new_mobile_internet_device_with_red_flag_linux
it is intriguing but does bring up some questions...
can neo pull off a touch keybo
it mounts on /media/card if it has a supported filesystem (fat/ext2)
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> How?. As long as you only transport audio from the microphone to the
> gsmd, you're screwed without real time transport
that isn't the best example since the gsm module is hardwired to the
codec which is wired to the mic. This audio path doesn't touch the
cpu.
There are still be some nee
fwiw
there's an item in the wishlist for 3g
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wish_List_-_Hardware#Faster.2Fbetter_mobile_connectivity.
I doubt it has been edited by anyone with any inside info though. EDGE
really should be a no-brainer but UMTS/HSDPA will likely have to be
pulled off in two or thre
Esben
> Yeah, I know PulseAudio, but that doesn't help interconnecting modules
> in a real time fashion.
tell us the big picture for what you want to do
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get on irc :)
no, you don't need to open it up to get the card in. you gently slide
the metal shield to unlock it
On 7/27/07, Jeff Rush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yay, my basic Neo1973 arrived today. It looks quite cool smaller than I
> expected and lightweight.
>
> But I think I'm about to fa
Esben
For real time audio work, I use JACK[1] which uses SCHED_FIFO, but is
anyone working on porting jack to run on the neo?.
neo is running pulseaudio which is also an audio server with an option
to use sched_fifo. The option isn't enabled, but it's just a loose end
probably. (see /etc/pulse
Alexander
I am colorblind and I would really appreaciate it if the UI wouldn't
rely on red vs. green to distinguish things like online/offline users
and such.
fwiw I added this to the colors recommendation in ui guidelines.
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Application_UI_Design_Recommendations
Mohammed
I've added a section for UI design recommendations and guidelines.
This should help new & old developers to agree on a uniformed user
experience.
I filled in a few conventions I've noticed. There's inconsistency
between some of the built-in apps so I've tried to document the
approach
José
only Spaniard here, do you know the meaning of 'Moko' in Spanish? It's hard
to tell people here about your great platform after they listen to its name!
wasn't the chevrolet "nova" one of the last cars to be marketed by
just one name worldwide? It wasn't such a great product name for
Span
Tim
> According to the wiki, charging the battery is always done through the USB
socket. Does that mean that the NEO is only chargable from a computer
I have tried charging from other methods (generic cigarette-lighter to
mini usb, solar cell, crank charger) and none of them currently work
fo
Hey
This got me thinking about how flexible the radio is. Is the sim card
wired right into the gsm module?
It would be nice if the phone could play nice with sim access profile
(SAP) either by sharing the sim credentials with another device or by
gaining sim credentials from another device and s
Carla
Another good demographic to consider is the non-technophile.
I seriously considered handing the phone to a non-techie friend (man
or woman) and see how long it would take them to make a call. It's a
totally unfair test since currently the icons on the home screen are
broken images. Once th
it can be scripted but it would be better (esp for multiplexing the gps) to
write a little serial server app.
here it is demonstrated with scripts (on a gumstix) but this ends up being a
little racey http://www.xmission.com/~bmidgley/embed/index.html#gps
A bluetooth GPS just creates a BT seria
Fabien,
One thing we miss in OSS and many commercial OSS mixes is someone in charge
of UI who knows what is easy to use and what falls down. I get the feeling
that FIC does not have a UI overlord. The UI improves from release to
release, but there are some consistency etc issues I've noticed... f
Fabien
An interesting development has made it clear that your flowcontrol work and
sco audio server are relevant for neo:
http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=583
any sort of voice application like voip will have to use sco over hci
because of limitations in the codec c
fwiw, I tried this on a symbian60 phone... have it ring an alarm "wake up
and get off the bus" when I approached a certain tower. The problem is that
alarm went off at the most unexpected times. I think cell tower reception
isn't just nice little circles like you'd expect.
You don't need GPS fo
Hey
Koen pointed out today that maemo-mapper has a non-hildon port. Maemo-mapper
totally rocks already so it would be a great one to work with.
http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?action=details&pnm=maemo-mapper-nohildon
Brad
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Jon
> 2. Make the lower-left-corner button bring up a popup menu with each
> application listed and an X after each name if you wanted to close it.
Brad, this is still at the development stages, so it is really up to us
to fix it. Could you please contribute some code, mockups, etc, to help
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