Re: Open Linux phone gets datacasts
Charles Pax wrote: On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 4:08 PM, Natanael Arndt [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have just found this: LinuxDevices.com: Open Linux phone gets datacasts (http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6565189083.html) Can someone explain how the the two pieces of hardware couple? It doesn't look like they connect via the USB connection and the only internal connection that seems reasonable is I2C. Are they connecting through something else? I think the debug connector (JTAG?) has some sort of serial interface. Please advies. USB testpoints on frerunner board http://openmokast.org/pictures.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [hiring] OpenGL Experts
Bryan DeLuca wrote: On Mon, 8 Sep 2008 11:07:59 +0200 Jean-Eric Cuendet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Specifically what we need is help doing OpenGL ES over X. The SoC would be the Samsungs 6410. So part driver work and part X work. Openmoko would be willing to hire somebody full time, part-time, or even on a per project basis. Samsung 6410 is FreeRunner chip or GTA04 one? If you're interested, please send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and CC myself. Thanks! -Sean Not used in any current OM phones. More info: http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/productinfo.do?fmly_id=229partnum=S3C6410 Looks nice... The link above broken, here the right one. http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/productInfo.do?fmly_id=229partnum=S3C6410 Also I cannot find any available technical documentation on-line, does it exists? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: (NAND) boot problems with empty batteries ?
Harald Koenig wrote: Hi, when my gta02v5 battery is completely empty I have two problems booting again at all: 1) NAND u-boot does not work: after connecting AC charger I can start only NOR boot (aux button first), but the NAND boot (no aux button, only pwr button for 10+ seconds just does nothing, the aux button doesn't blink then either). removing power and battery for some 10 seconds doesn't help. just charging 10 minutes (using AC charger) before trying [nand] boot doesn't help right now either. update (I write this email because right now I'm that out of power mode again:-( after 10+ minutes connection to AC charger (still powered off) I can't even get into the NOR boot anymore. I removed the battery and AC, reconnected both and NOR boot came up. here I selected power off and tried to do a regular NAND boot (no aux) -- doesn't react. now NOR boot doesn't work either. after some waiting (1 min?) NOR boot comes up again, now I selected reboot (is this supposed to re-boot the nand uboot?). the screen got white for ~2 seconds, than black again and that's it:-( what's going wrong here ?? 2) boot process crashes (switches off) with usb power from notebook if I connect the FR to my notebook (Lenovo T61p) for power and once I manage to boot, the boot just crashes after a while (1-2+ minutes), I only have a black screen then and all I can do to boot again (long pwr on). usually in this situation all futher tries to boot won't come up either. I'm not sure if these crashes might be triggered by the notebook having some USB problems (device not accepting address ...) and thus disabling usb power for that port (port 2 disabled by hub (EMI?), re-enabling...) or if that hub-disabling is only a result of the FR already being crashed or switched off during boot. solution in this case: I removed the empty battery, replaced it with the battery of my real (nokia) phone (nokia). then boot works, and while FR is running and connected to the notebook I swap batteries again and charge the empty FR battery. I had this situation(2) at least 3-4 times before using various uboot/kernel/distro versions, I only started using the AC charger yesterday and realized, that it supplies much higher current and charging goes much faster (almost a fator 3 in charging rate!) are these known problems ? how can I get the FR up with empty batteries, how to charge an empty battery ? thanks for any hint or comment, Harald http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freerunner_Hardware_Issues#PMU/Charger Issue ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: new galician team for translate openmoko
Frco. Javier Rial wrote: Hi to everybody: My name is Frco. Javier Rial Rodríguez. I've registered a galician team in the Wiki for translation openmoko: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Translation#Galician I work in a government project (Mancomun.org) at Galicia. The main focus of the project is to promote open source software, and help our localization communities offering our services, and because of that, we want to translate OpenMoko into galician. I've read the Translation_HOWTO, download cvs copy and locate the *.po and *.pot files. There are 3 pot files (excluded the sample file): openmoko-calculator2/po/Calculator.pot openmoko-calculator/po/Calculator.pot openmoko-simplemediaplayer/po/bmp.pot And a lot of localized po for openmoko-feedreader2 openmoko-calculator2 openmoko-contacts openmoko-calculator openmoko-simplemediaplayer openmoko-panel I understand that I have to translate calculator, calculator2, simplemediaplayer, feedreader, contacts and panel. Do I miss something??, Do I need to translate any kind of images (logos, buttons, ...) or html pages? Hello Javier ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: ppp support not in the kernel?
Benedikt Schindler wrote: hi, i am trying to start a internet connection on the Freerunner over GPRS. for the start i looked into this page: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPRS http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GSM and i'm aware that this pages are not ASU or Freerunner related. i have managed to get the free GSM line. if i try to start a connection via pppd i got this message: pppd: This system lacks kernel support for PPP. This could be because the PPP kernel module could not be loaded, or because PPP was not included in the kernel configuration. isn't that build in? alle the opkg kernel-module-ppp-* are installed. but there is no kernel-module-ppp ? what could i do? beni PPP will work nice without in-kernel support. Is ppp in kernel needed on Freerunner? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Flash ASU
Scott wrote: Why do the latest ASU folders not have the kernel or root file system files? AFAIK if they are no changed, they don't appear again. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Freerunner User - Stick with GTK Any voicemail apps or monitors?
Alex Fitzpatrick wrote: Two questions: A) If part of my goal is to be a beta tester should I stick with the default software stack or switch to one of the other options? Use daily builds from: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/freerunner/ B) Are there any applications out there for managing or monitoring a voicemail account? Not yet. There is a LOT of people who want VoIP, and they trying to run some of programs available for Linux. regards ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: OLSRD
Robert Schuster wrote: Hi, you know we already have B.A.T.M.A.N in OpenEmbedded but now I gave good old OLSRD a try too. I added a recipe for the latest release 0.5.5 and tested it on the device. It is working nicely along with the ar6000 being in ad-hoc mode (the preferred mode for mesh networks ;) ). No luck with 0.5.3 though - it crashes when I want to view the page generated by the httpinfo plugin. I wanted to do some NATting between the wifi interface and the usbnet connection (effectively making my desktop computer an internet gateway for the Berlin Freifunk community). However this was impossible since OpenMoko does not provide the iptables package (you can get the kernel modules but not the userspace application). You can build it on your own and then everything is fine though. There are also some minor issues with the wifi driver. I reported this[0] a while ago already. I am already happy but I would be so even more if: - olsrd version preference could be set to 0.5.5 - iptables could be installed directly via opkg The FreeRunner as a wifi mesh-node is a nice use case for the time after being a mobile phone. It would be one of the very few nodes that have a screen attached. :) I would like to offer screen shots but there is nothing spectacular to see on them. But perhaps you like some console output instead: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# iwconfig eth0 eth0 AR6000 802.11g ESSID:olsr.freifunk.net Mode:Ad-Hoc Frequency:2.457 GHz Cell: 02:CA:FF:EE:BA:BE Bit Rate=1 Mb/s Tx-Power=15 dBm Sensitivity=0/3 Retry:on Encryption key:off Power Management:off Link Quality:168/94 Signal level:-183 dBm Noise level:-96 dBm Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0 Tx excessive retries:0 Invalid misc:0 Missed beacon:0 (A fixed BSSID of '02:CA:FF:EE:BA:BE' is what we use in Berlin to overcome some problems with ad-hoc mode specification.) Starting the daemon: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# /etc/init.d/olsrd start Starting OLSR routing protocol daemon: olsr.org *** olsr.org - 0.5.5 *** Build date: 2008-06-26 23:09:18 on linkist http://www.olsr.org Parsing file: /etc/olsrd.conf olsr.org - 0.5.5 detaching from the current process... done. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# pidof olsrd 4479 Pinging a node that is a few hops away: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# ping 104.192.0.156 PING 104.192.0.156 (104.192.0.156): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 104.192.0.156: seq=0 ttl=62 time=89.001 ms 64 bytes from 104.192.0.156: seq=3 ttl=62 time=45.555 ms --- 104.192.0.156 ping statistics --- 4 packets transmitted, 2 packets received, 50% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max = 45.555/67.278/89.001 ms Traceroute to it: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# traceroute 104.192.0.156 traceroute to 104.192.0.156 (104.192.0.156), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets 1 104.131.4.24 (104.131.4.24) 15.096 ms 29.789 ms 12.770 ms 2 104.131.4.26 (104.131.4.26) 12.536 ms 11.377 ms 10.147 ms 3 104.192.0.156 (104.192.0.156) 25.497 ms 51.212 ms 51.228 ms Actually I could find something that may show I am really using this on the Neo. I attached is httpinfo plugin generated webpage showing my configuration. There are few devices where eth0 is a wifi card. :D If you are interested I also attached by olsrd.conf. You need to have olsrd-plugin-httpinfo, olsrd-plugin-nameservice (didn't work as expected) and olsrd-plugin-dyngw installed besides the daemon. Regards Robert [0] - http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1392 Nice enough! I really like mesh networking protocols work on Neos. Maybe I'll try to run Netsukuku. OK first I have to buy one. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: AM/FM radio
Francesco Cat wrote: thank you. I was not aware of this. I will buy a separate 10€ FM radio ;) 2008/6/25 Yorick Moko [EMAIL PROTECTED]: This has already been addressed by an openmoko member. There seemed to be a LOT of additional taxes for devices which can receive FM. y On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 9:04 AM, Francesco Cat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will an AM/FM radio will be implemented in future versions of the GTA? A radio should not be so much hardware/software expensive. Where was a lot discussion about AM/FM radio on the lists during 2007. Have a look at http://www.google.com/search?aq=fnum=50complete=1hl=ensafe=offq=fm+radio+site%3Alists.openmoko.orgbtnG=Search Somebody wants to add receiver as a HW mod, somebody mentioned an usb receiver which probably will work with Neos. Maybe you will find interesting information. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: quemu w/ gat02
Wilkinson, Alex wrote: 0n Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 09:26:20AM +0400, Evgeny Ginzburg wrote: arne anka wrote: using openmoko/download.sh i always get the gta01 files. now i changed gta01 in openmoko/env to gta02 or gta02fake and the gta02 files are downloaded -- but flash.sh fails horribly while printing s3c_nand_read: Bad register 0x20 infinitely. google shows two irc-logs with a question regarding this, but no answer. could somebody please give a hint how to get qemu running w/ gta02 asu? In short, qemu (now) isn't capable to emulate gta02, just gta01. You can build and use ASU images on qemu. There is no big difference between two versions. Has anyone written up the process on how to to emulate ASU on Qemu ? Hm, I just use Mokomakefile: make update-makefile make update setup make openmoko-devel-image # OR make qtopia-x11 make flash-qemu-local make run-qemu * notice I haven't tried it for a week or something like this. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: quemu w/ gat02
arne anka wrote: using openmoko/download.sh i always get the gta01 files. now i changed gta01 in openmoko/env to gta02 or gta02fake and the gta02 files are downloaded -- but flash.sh fails horribly while printing s3c_nand_read: Bad register 0x20 infinitely. google shows two irc-logs with a question regarding this, but no answer. could somebody please give a hint how to get qemu running w/ gta02 asu? In short, qemu (now) isn't capable to emulate gta02, just gta01. You can build and use ASU images on qemu. There is no big difference between two versions. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: using the openmoko neo101 in mass storage mode
manoj kumar wrote: hello Already i have posted to this community regarding this question but i didn get any response. Can the openmoko mobile be used as a mass storage device, or can it be networked with windows??? It would b very helpfull if i am getting any reply( even if there s no way to do so, mail me stating tat.) Generally, yes for both. From any Linux you can scp/sftp to it. For Windows interoperability there is samba for openembedded and Openmoko is openembedded based. I'm in doubt it (samba) will be in installed by default. You may install it yourself. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Wiki broken slightly
The navigation on the bottom of the line. and the are /div under the menu. P.S. thanks for IRC ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: End User Input....and Question
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Although I may not be the typical end user, I want to say that i believe this phone will have appeal to end users like me, who are looking for a phone that can be updated and customized. The Freerunner is in a great position to appeal to those who think GREEN. I have 5 cell phones that need to be recycledwhat a waste. My question is... since I am not a developer... what would be the risk of getting one when available to list members?Appreciate any input. Been waiting so long. Cannot say much about risks From technical POV Freerunner is just a great smart phone running free operating system. If you ready to update software running on device frequently and not frightened by possible bugs or missing features for a while - buy it. Otherwise wait for mass production and consumer ready software. Openmoko want to produce working hardware, make it available early to developers and polish software on the go. Take this points. Make your decision. vote to have the AC charger and stylus and the lanyard (unique with the logo) Mary -- С уважением, Гинзбург Евгений, Системный администратор HighLink ISP Санкт Петербург, Россия +7 812 334-12-12 http://www.hl.ru/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSoC 2008
Niluge KiWi wrote: With the two accelerometers in the FreeRunner, I think we can recognise lots of gestures, not only simple ones like a click (which is already recognised by the accelerometers used in the FreeRunner). The main difficulty is probably to extract the useful data from the gestures noise : calibration may take time. The goal is to have an almost pre-calibrated library (an idea from the wish-list in the Wiki is to allow the user to record its own gestures, but I think it's not easy to do it simple for the end-user). Good idea, but consider to store calibration data separately. This will made the library more general. You want reuse it in other devices. So the recorded gestures. The accelerometers could provide not only small gestures recognition (like the ones listed on the Wiki: up-side-down, shaking, flipping, ...), but full 3D-space positioning from a start position (when the software is started). So long, and thank for all the fish. Evgeny. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Qemu on GTA02, the problem still here
Jens Fursund wrote: Same problem here :( On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 9:56 AM, Michele Renda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello I have no idea about the GTA02 instructions for Qemu, but this morning I saw that the GTA01 for Qemu stopped to run. This morning there was a commit by andrew :) after make clean ./configure.sh make openmoko/flash.sh I got this error: qemu: fatal: Trying to execute code outside RAM or ROM at 0x Someone had the same issue? Thank to all, and compliment to the mailing list 2008/3/6, François TOURDE [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, I've not found in the Wiki how to run GTA02 and associated OM images on a qemu. Is it possible? Thanks in advance for any link/idea. Just remind to all. It still doesn't work with latest sources, at least on my Debian Sid I've localized problem to lines 79-81 of flash.sh, but have no idea how to fix it. Log http://pastebin.com/m55e0ddaa ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qemu on GTA02, the problem still here
Toni Schmidbauer wrote: Just remind to all. It still doesn't work with latest sources, at least on my Debian Sid I've localized problem to lines 79-81 of flash.sh, but have no idea how to fix it. Log http://pastebin.com/m55e0ddaa http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.thirdparty/1574 this thread should answer your question. it's a bug in u-boot, a patch is already available and was merged by werner almesberger. In current builds this bug exists, patch inserted in revision 4230, but i really don't know which revision OE use now how migrate to 4230. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Problem trying to build qemu-local using MokoMakefile
François TOURDE wrote: Hi, Trying to run make qemu-local, I got the following message, some lines after Please wait, programming the NAND flash... -8---8---8---8---8-- neo_vib_switch: Vibrator stopped. neo_bl_switch: LCD Backlight now on. qemu: fatal: Trying to execute code outside RAM or ROM at 0x -8---8---8---8---8-- (More detailed trace can be found here: http://pastebin.com/m239ade67) Got the same error on Debian sid ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Email App
Tim Shannon wrote: I'm curious if anyone knows that status of an Email app. I though originally there was going to be one app that handled all communication, SMS, internet chat, email, etc, but I haven't seen anything like this with the new 2007.2 framework. Is anyone working on this, or what will the status of this app be around December when the gta02 (hopefully) goes up for sale? thanks, There is mockup made by Milko Krachounov implementing GUI only for mail and it'll posiibly to expand it. Take a look at: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-apps/2007-November/000279.html ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Let's move on to other issues
Ron Jeffries wrote: We have beaten the 850 Mhz issue to death. Likewise... Apple iPhone form factor and GUI is cool and Oh my God, Google's Gphone is the end of civilization (and OpenMoko). Let's shift our group energy to helping the OpenMoko team make this a killer open source phone + PDA product. Remember that time to market is vital. That means the first iteration will mainly appeal to ROW (rest of world, outside USA), but since we know FIC is working the 850 Mhz issue, the US version should arrive say 90 days later, Focus, focus focus. We'll overcome this glitch No more whining! smile Thanks Ron For couple of last days thouse discussions don't made my reading expirience better. I just prefer to made all of messsages from thread redad and move on. IMHO there lot of to do on community side. Lets make the next move Regards Evgeny ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: state of the project message sent upon subscription
Michael Shiloh wrote: Jeff, That's a great idea. I'll look into implementing this. Thanks, Michael Ni Michael Think deeper, how about automating of this issue? sample Software bugs: 10 new | 11 resolved Hardware bubs: 4 new | 2 resolved New Projects this week: http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/mokogammon/ The page of the week: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Navigation Jump on and improve it. We need you help. /sample You can imagine any type of output. Simple python script can do all the stats, mail to you, you will add come comments. Voilà! You got community update. Best regards, Evgeny ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
