Re: OT: Nokia expects open source developers to accept things like DRM, commercial IP rights, and SIM locks.

On Saturday 14 June 2008 10:50:12 Federico Lorenzi wrote: > This has been beaten to death in previous threats. You are not getting > the phone for free, you are merely paying for it in your contract. With most carriers I know, you actually do get it for free in a sense because you would pay as mu

Re: OT: Nokia expects open source developers to accept things like DRM, commercial IP rights, and SIM locks.

On Saturday 14 June 2008 03:24:25 Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen wrote: > A lot of people look for the worst in others, and i try to generally play > the other side. Look in the snip i did above, and try to read what else the > guy is saying: He doesn't like DRM in principle, but realise that the > ca

Re: resolution preferences??

On Tuesday 10 June 2008 02:45:20 Carsten Haitzler wrote: > lots of devices out there with the same specs - or much better. 800x480 > @3.2" or even 2.8" are out there and selling. on shelves - from major > manufacturers. Show me one with GSM and Linux. signature.asc Description: This is a digita

Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)

On Monday 09 June 2008 02:56:22 Carsten Haitzler wrote: > wouldn't be usable or possible without vga. that is what i asked. i want a > use case for vga. not just a "it looks a bit nicer". Try browsing the web in a QVGA window sometimes, IMHO it's an exercise in futility no matter if you try to re

Re: Yummy new CPU/GPU combo

On Sunday 08 June 2008 14:23:29 Carsten Haitzler wrote: > 500k+ are the order sizes. often in multi-millions. that is what they > "start" dealing with. it's like going to cost-co who sell beer by the case > and going "but we only want 1 bottle!" (sorry - buy the case, or go > somewhere else). :) S

Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)

On Saturday 07 June 2008 00:19:27 Carsten Haitzler wrote: > > I.e. the problem should be solved by a faster processor with better > > GPU rather > > than challenging and and trying to redue user's expectations. Can you > > build > > container trucks smaller because then they need much less parking

Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)

On Friday 06 June 2008 13:15:10 Tom Cooksey wrote: > binary blob driver. Who knows, maybe samsung will even let you write an > open source driver? (Don't think the s3c6410's 3D core is a PowerVR, seems > to be something different?) I doubt it; IIRC they just removed a lot of specs from their site

Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)

On Friday 06 June 2008 13:11:32 Justyn Butler wrote: > To touch on Gabriel's comment, WVGA would be the same resolution as > the Nokia N800 series but in a more compact screen. > With that resolution perhaps the GTA03 would start tapping into other > unexpected markets - for example some of the pe

Re: GTA03 case should incorporate stylus holder

On Thursday 05 June 2008 16:38:46 Ron K. Jeffries wrote: > Can the revised case for GTA03 *please* be designed > to hold a stylus? +1 Just having one does not mean OM has to use it. Frankly, I'm not really convinced by the whole finger keyboard stuff. signature.asc Description: This is a digit

Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)

On Friday 06 June 2008 09:09:55 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > IMHO, reducing any Openmoko device to QVGA will be the end of the > Openmoko project. And I have business reasons to wish that OM > survives... Agreed. The display is the ONLY thing in GTA02 hardware that is remotely current (In fa

Re: QVGA V/s VGA for GTA03 (was something about yummy CPU-GPU combos!)

On Thursday 05 June 2008 14:32:14 rakshat hooja wrote: > The N95 is also good when you look at it on its own and one has no problems > reading anything but when kept next to the Neo 1973 and Sharp 903 one can > tell the display is not in the same league. (the Sharp is also visible in > the sun tho

Swiss Group-Order

Some time back (March or so) I had offered to organize a Freerunner group order for Switzerland. At the time, most people were expecting a late April/early May shipping date which would have fit my schedule pretty well. But as we all know, that date slipped; right now it looks like late June co

Re: 2.5mm or 3.5mm

On Friday 30 May 2008 08:18:16 Joerg Reisenweber wrote: > Hi community! > A short poll: on a future GTA0x (>2), would you prefer to have > A) "standard" 2.5mm headset (mic+phones) connector, where you have to buy a > cheap adapter if you want to use your "old" headphones, (the way like it's > for G

Re: Freerunner and external Display

On Tuesday 06 May 2008 22:00:50 Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote: > (My second idea is to simply create a BT2VGA adapter. I will try this > first. It will only be usable for still images, but it would be just for > fun. But first I need some time...) There are ready made WLAN to VGA adapters for p

Re: Stylus Recommendation

On Monday 05 May 2008 15:37:17 David Samblas Martinez wrote: > Hey I like it too!! > It can act as dirty protection for the usb connector. Or it could yank it right out of the case if you're not careful... signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. __

Re: GTA04::HW::input::joystick - MPU/MCU saves power and provides extra I/O

On Sunday 04 May 2008 11:21:18 Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote: > If it will not be added, will there be enough free and available > GPIO pins so that we may add it our self? > I think there should be an open way to add hardware extensions anyhow. Maybe GPIO, maybe USB, maybe full size SD or ev

Re: 10 PACK UPDATE!!!

On Saturday 26 April 2008 01:12:52 David Samblas Martinez wrote: > We maybe must stop this or freerunner will be the first mobile phone with a > PARENTAL ADVISORY tag in its case. :) That would make it sell like hot cakes, I'm sure. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message

Re: Switzerland - group order

On Friday 25 April 2008 09:52:24 Andre Timmermann wrote: > > Right now I'm not sure about the current status, prices, delays and > > payement arrangements. Would be nice to get more info from the one who > > will pass the order ;) > Good point. Who will place the order? If payments can be settled

Re: Openmoko strives for openness (smedia glamo)

On Wednesday 02 April 2008 11:07:47 Andy Green wrote: > There's a 6) I thought about, AFAIK it could theoretically anyway be > possible we can write detailed header files for an open driver which > contain register and bitfield enums and comments for the 3D unit. If we > did write our own we would

Re: Wrist Computing

On Sunday 30 March 2008 04:56:53 Lally Singh wrote: > Thinking of something like: > http://www.eurotech.com/EN/products.aspx?pg=Zypad%20WL%201000&pp=Wearable%2 >0Computers&pc=411&pid=260 > > I'd love a little wrist mount for an openmoko phone. It'd be a > wonderful place to mount it in GPS mode wh

Re: Price of the Freerunner published?

On Friday 21 March 2008 11:01:37 Andy Powell wrote: > Actually the best way to handle that is to buy currency at a fixed, > guaranteed price. ukforex (no affiliaton) do this sort of thing. I don;t > understand why more people don't do it. If you're importing stuff on a > regular basis it just make

Re: Future hardware options

On Thursday 20 March 2008 23:13:59 Andy Green wrote: > Agreed here... the main constraint will be that if we want the display > active, we need to have the main CPU up to generate the video. But I am > hoping we will be able to pretty strongly in most cases have the CPU > power acting in sync to t

Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??

On Sunday 16 March 2008 19:57:50 Michael Shiloh wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I'm trying to get some sort of a concrete update from the team in > Taiwan. I'll let you know as soon as I do. > Maybe while you're at it, some information about the future direction of the interface stack would be nice. I'

Re: MiniOne

On Thursday 06 March 2008 09:57:22 Mario Wewer wrote: > Hello community, > > does anyone of you already have a "Meizu MiniOne" Phone? You mean it's *not* vapor ware but actually for sale? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

Re: Community update: Regarding Neo FreeRunner pre-orders

On Monday 25 February 2008 23:48:14 Tilman Baumann wrote: > > Well, I live in Belgium and I can assure you that sales tax here is 21 > > % as opposed to Germany's 16 % ... > > 16% Not anymore... :( > > But as afar as i know, you can sell inside the EU to other EU countries > and tax where they buye

Re: Request for assistance: Need a wiki page for buying and selling GTA01

On Monday 18 February 2008 07:48:29 Ted Lemon wrote: > I'd be tempted to sell my Neo if I felt like there was some security > to the transaction, because right now I'm not finding time to focus on > hacking it, so the wait for the next model isn't a hard one for me. > But the transaction security i

Re: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)

On Friday 11 January 2008 21:21:41 Michael Shiloh wrote: > Hi Lon, > > Will from our office pointed me at these, but that was yesterday and > apparently even more have appeared: > > http://gizmodo.com/341755/openmoko-neo-freerunner-linux-smartphone-hands+on > http://takezero.net/3g-and-mobile-news/

Re: Community update, January 2, 2008

On Thursday 03 January 2008 05:51:06 Michael Shiloh wrote: > Hello everyone, > > Next week at CES we will formally preview GTA02 to the public. We are > doing this at an invitation-only media event, and not the general show > floor. > Any chance to see a video of that event? Maybe even in decent (i

Re: Case Schematics

On Wednesday 26 December 2007 21:11:18 Michael Shiloh wrote: > Yes, I'm afraid we are not able to open source the schematics. I think > Harald or Werner explained this in a post somewhere - I'll see if I can > find it. > > The main reason IIRC is that some of the chips came with NDAs that > preven

Re: End-User Release????

On Sunday 16 December 2007 01:30:15 McCreery, Lee CTR DISA wrote: > Is there an ETA for the end-user release? I lost my phone over the weekend > and need to purchase a new one. I have been following this project for > months and would like a NEO, but I can't wait a month. If you need a phone, ge

Re: Compulab EM-X270 Wireless PDA Module

On Wednesday 05 December 2007 13:07:11 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > handling cost, credit card processing cost, etc. And finally some > compensation for the time we spend doing this instead of other > things. The largest single cost component is the German VAT of 19%. > If you are ordering fro

Re: need someone to develop this....

On Saturday 01 December 2007 08:34:08 GWMobile wrote: > I don't think discussing this here would be considered an open > disclosure. > Talking on a finite list or limited membership with moderation and thus > controlled membership is not necessarily open disclosure and not the > same as a public pr

Re: Can openmoko and FIC help the Redux model 1?

On Wednesday 28 November 2007 23:41:11 andy selby wrote: > I left a message on the blog to contact Sean (hope that's alright), I > should have mentioned something about enlightenment on the neo because > they seem to like iPhone like eye candy. Aren't they in essence describing a stripped down N8

Re: GTK vs QTopia vs Android -

On Wednesday 21 November 2007 18:13:15 Lorn Potter wrote: > > First Qtopia is not open enough, > > I guess you didn't read that Qtopia Phone is completely GPL, lock, > stock and barrel. I guess you didn't read AVee's mail very closely. Seems to me that he was mocking that complaint, not making i

Re: GTK vs QTopia vs Android -

On Monday 19 November 2007 14:54:09 Marcelo Lira wrote: > Yes, GPL guarantees that, but a library in GPL is not that useful for a > developer that sometimes have to do closed source apps. And please don't > start with the "I will not help anyone developing closed source" discourse, > since a numbe

Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives

On Wednesday 07 November 2007 20:02:47 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > Just needs a plastic case (plus stylus) case. Everything else is > available (charger, battery, etc.). Well if someone can provide a complete unit that boots into OpenMoko for ~500USD (and can make use of WiFi), I'll likely

Re: Gphone and 850, perspectives

On Wednesday 07 November 2007 18:23:18 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > > Problem is I dont want to buy a lot of $750 US units if I could > > just develop on e.g. gphone or iphone which will be way cheaper. > > You need not buy many units yourself - there is an idea for a group > purchase. So if

Re: Community Update

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Openource handwriting recognition

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Re: Exact release date of GTA02v4?

On Thursday 25 October 2007 22:07:52 Michael Shiloh wrote: > As others have said so eloquently, we are doing our best. We are far > from perfect, but we are trying. > > My personal goal is to continue improving both the quantity and quality > of information that I bring from the company to you. T

Re: Any update for the October release?

On Sunday 21 October 2007 08:31:27 Fred Janon wrote: > Hi, > > I know everyone is working hard on the project, I just wonder if there is > any update on the new version originally planned for October? Yes, that was moved back to December a while ago. signature.asc Description: This is a digita

Re: Bi-weekly OpenMoko community update

On Saturday 13 October 2007 07:05:19 Michael Shiloh wrote: > We're very happy with the u-blox/Atmel ATR0635 GPS Receiver, and thus > have made the decision to use this chip. So does this mean we now have GPS hardware that outputs NMEA on a serial port (or something similar) without having to run

Re: NYTimes article regarding GPhone being an "open-source" alternative to Windows Mobile.

> 1) http://www.osnews.com/story.php/18720/Trolltech-Ports-Qt-to-Windows-CE I know, hence the reference to S60 not Windows Mobile. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.o

Re: NYTimes article regarding GPhone being an "open-source" alternative to Windows Mobile.

On Monday 08 October 2007 17:53:20 Peter Pearson wrote: > Does this make any sense? > > Surely they can't hope to support *every* hardware device supported by > Windows Mobile. > Suppose Google actually wrote a phone *environment* instead of a whole OS (well, they may have a Linux stack for custom

Re: New TOP SECRET OM device??

On Friday 05 October 2007 20:35:13 Michael Shiloh wrote: > I know that to some extent the community tries to infer as much as > possible out of every word we utter and picture we show because we have > not been good at getting information to you. Again, my job is to improve > this, and I really int

Re: Update from OpenMoko

On Friday 28 September 2007 10:42:09 Michael Shiloh wrote: > three prototype runs to test various subsystems. Our best case analysis > of the schedule indicates that GTA02 will be ready for shipment to end > users in early to mid December. May I suggest taking pre-orders to get some idea of what

Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software

On Tuesday 28 August 2007 17:05:20 Attila Csipa wrote: > On Tuesday 28 August 2007 16:39:54 Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: > > No they didn't. But TT employees keep pushing the idea at the very least. > > This is their good right, but I reserve mine to call them on it ;) > Can you

Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973

On Tuesday 25 September 2007 20:14:36 Carlo E. Prelz wrote: > properly express my mental patterns. C++ did not cut my cake. No need > to repeat the experience. I already know how to write what little user > interface code I need to write, either in C or in Ruby, with > GTK. Luckily I do not need t

Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973

On Tuesday 25 September 2007 14:23:24 Steven Le Roux wrote: > Ok, I am not a developper, but, I think the accelorometer has the goal to > provide a good video rendering. Nitpick: An accelerometer measures physical acceleration and enables things like the Wiimote. What you're thinking of is a (gr

Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973

On Tuesday 25 September 2007 11:18:39 Dani Anon wrote: > Just for the record, those are tablets, that weight more (i.e: they > have more battery life thus power) that can take such overhead. N800 > doesn't even have phone functions! Do you know about any linuxphone > with X? > According to Wikiped

Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973

On Tuesday 25 September 2007 09:51:42 Lorn Potter wrote: > > but I have reasons to believe that a) I should have > > to learn to code in a totally different environment, and b) that > > environment would require coding in C++. Both things are not desirable > > for me. > fair enough reasons here. W

Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973

On Tuesday 18 September 2007 22:58:00 Lorn Potter wrote: > > Not X11 like all other systems. This has better performance and is in my > > eyes the perfect solution for embedded devices. > There is no great performance difference between x11 and fb. > As long as X11 renders to FB, that's true. Howev

Re: OM Camera - a new angle

On Tuesday 18 September 2007 20:12:04 Ian Stirling wrote: > I'd want several megapixels, ability to take at least several second > pictures, for use around dusk. > Optical zoom would be a big plus. > LCD size not hugely important. > Wifi and bluetooth would be a big plus. > USB-host too, to enable

Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973

On Wednesday 19 September 2007 10:28:55 Jonathan Spooner wrote: > I didn't realise Qtopia was */proprietary/* It's no longer, it's fully GPL now. > comments on preferring QT for the quality docs and IDE. I'd rath

Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973

On Tuesday 18 September 2007 18:00:51 Giles Jones wrote: > Typically the argument for QT is ease of programming, there's a good IDE > called KDevelop. GTK's argument typically is that it's GPL and faster. Actually. GTK's argument is that it is LGPL and thus free for use by commercial apps whereas

Re: Buglabs

On Tuesday 18 September 2007 16:30:01 hank williams wrote: > modules. It sounds like hardware is frozen, or close to frozen. Moreover, > If what they told me in person (and whats on their website) is true, they > will be releasing four modules by the end of the year. But none of the > modules they

Re: AT&T is cruising for a bruising

On Monday 10 September 2007 12:18:39 Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: > > Iphone's international plan in 29 countries, mostly in Europe, costs > > $24.99 for 20 megabytes. > > Which isn't even tha tbad considering my telco wants 5 CHF (roughly 4USD) > per month

Re: AT&T is cruising for a bruising

On Monday 10 September 2007 12:03:05 Raphaël Jacquot wrote: > Normally it does not cost US users for domestic data transfers, but the > Iphone's international plan in 29 countries, mostly in Europe, costs > $24.99 for 20 megabytes. Which isn't even tha tbad considering my telco wants 5 CHF (rough

Re: OM Camera - a new angle

On Tuesday 18 September 2007 03:27:24 Mikko Rauhala wrote: > Now, for the relevant part. I want an open digital camera. So, hey, > OpenMoko guys (or somebody else in the consumer device business and into > openness), when you're well on your way to having revolutionized the > mobile handset market,

Re: ATI to provide specs (was: Re: SMedia 3362)

On Monday 10 September 2007 09:20:54 Harald Welte wrote: > So what exactly is not enough? You will get 100% free software drivers, > down to the latest bit, no proprietary firmware whatsoever, plus > hardware documentation that will be prepared by OpenMoko ? > > Which part exactly are you missing

Re: stylus alternative

On Monday 10 September 2007 07:28:52 Robin Paulson wrote: > anyone else see my vision? or am i insane? Yes, even thought you be able to cut your finger nails this way (now that IS insane). Those caps used to protect your fingers (aptly named "Fingerhut" i.e. finger hat in German) when sewing cou

Re: Video decoding in GTA-02

On Saturday 08 September 2007 19:31:30 Ted Lemon wrote: > > What about encoding features of the smedia chips ? The day there will > > be a camera on the neo... > Unless you're encoding a long run of video, I don't think this is a > major issue. If you are, yeah, hardware encoding for H.264 sounds

Re: Apple is going to beat all competitors

On Thursday 06 September 2007 18:52:35 David "Lefty" Schlesinger wrote: > > Anyone saw new Apple announcement? Now iPhone is priced at $399.. > > ...an act which has certainly pissed off all the folks who got suckered > into standing in lines for days and paying through the nose to be the > first k

Re: Fwd: A guestion

On Thursday 06 September 2007 13:27:34 Andreas Utterberg wrote: > Thanx for the fast replies! > > Does anybody have a good howto on how to setup a sandbox env on a Fedora to > be able to write apps? I have also read that most applications is written i > GTK+, can one program in any other languages

Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software

On Monday 27 August 2007 19:23:26 Attila Csipa wrote: > On Monday 27 August 2007 15:32, Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: > > No it's more like MS telling Intel to port Windows to the new processor > > for them. You want to sell something on a platform? Well if nobody wants > > to

Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software

On Monday 27 August 2007 14:56:14 Attila Csipa wrote: > > How about Trolltech ports Qtopia GPL to the Neo *themselves*? That would > > prove that it's easy enough (heck you could count the hours of work > > included and write up some whitepaper touting how portable it is) and > > I don't really see

Re: At the risk of being flamed : State of software

On Sunday 26 August 2007 00:54:48 Lorn Potter wrote: > OpenMoko Neo is a 'free' phone, why would you want to put commercial > proprietary software on it? I thought the point of it was to get away from > closed source/commercial/proprietary apps. If I minded that, I would just > use a Symbian or W

Re: Clarify openmoko != Neo1973

On Saturday 25 August 2007 00:52:48 Dylan McCall wrote: > Openmoko.org's front page could show more than one smartphone running the > system, or screenshots of it without any hardware visible. That may > magically get the point across... Then you will have people buying a Motorola A1200 only to co

Re: Fingerscroll, foofone and more from people.openmoko.org!

On Tuesday 14 August 2007 15:52:04 Santiago Crespo wrote: > There are some nice media from people.openmoko.org: > > Fingerscroll & foofone: > http://people.openmoko.org/jserv/graphics/video/ Foofone is neat. But it doesn't seem very obvious to use the star to have it start calling? pgpv4x7PNlhq

Re: An idea of sorts

On Saturday 28 July 2007 15:59:52 Giles Jones wrote: > An easy way to install new software would be to be able to email it > to your phone and use the phone's wifi to download the email. Of > course security would have to be present to stop it installing > anything received in an email. I would mu

Re: Product naming / wiki page naming / restructuring

On Friday 27 July 2007 13:25:26 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > >>> OpenMoko-0.5 or whatever scheme is already in place. > >> > >> -2007 and -2008 so far. We might have 200x.y at some point. > > Hm. I think using year-names is not a good choice for software > versions (mainly talking about stabl

Re: Switch to newsgroup

On Thursday 26 July 2007 11:53:55 Eric van Horssen wrote: > > http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.community > > My provider doesn't have this group, allthough it does have some gmane.* > groups > > Should al gmane lists be available everywhere? Yes, at the very least using nntp://nn

Re: Hardware/Software UI Relationship

On Wednesday 18 July 2007 09:50:36 Giles Jones wrote: > > The matching object is shown on top and selectable. Size on those object > > can depend on number of matches and can be compacted in intelligent ways > > like: [contacts 3] [document 12] [apps 2] > That sounds very similar to QuickSilver on

Re: Not "the free phone"

On Tuesday 17 July 2007 16:54:45 Ian Darwin wrote: > > What about a nice industrial-style alphanumeric designation - like the > > 'FIC A1'. Or OM1. Or FS1, whatever. > > Well, you know, we're pretty far off the topic I started here. The phone > being sold now *is* called the FIC Neo1973, period.

Re: Not "the free phone" (was: Re: Again: Advertising thoughts

On Monday 16 July 2007 20:24:18 Shawn Rutledge wrote: > How about simply the youPhone, or uPhone? > u is often short for the Greek letter \mu (in Latex notation) which in turn is used as a sign for micro in many places. That may confuse people as it might mean microphone then? pgpPDRRoFs3Pl.pgp

Re: Not "the free phone"

On Monday 16 July 2007 19:19:49 Mike wrote: > Ian Darwin wrote: > > Call it something else in the consumer market. The Flexible Phone. The > > Does-what-you-want-not-what the big corporations want. I don't know. > > How about "The Freedom Phone". > How about centering around liberty instead of free

Re: Again: Advertising thoughts

On Monday 16 July 2007 09:38:11 ramsesoriginal wrote: > only one with " "The OpenMoko: now with builtin navigator" and so on. > Don't even THINK of using "based on Linux Kernel 2.6.xx" or "With powerful > ssh acess" Not sure that's well spent money really: Linux using people generally read Li

Re: Again: Advertising thoughts

On Monday 16 July 2007 02:39:56 Jae Stutzman wrote: > demonstrated it. What is the point of all this anyways: promoting freedom. > The consumer isn't an idiot, although MS would want us all to believe it. > If you don't like Linux use "Powered by FOSS". But don't believe the FUD. In my experience,

Re: Again: Advertising thoughts

On Saturday 14 July 2007 13:54:30 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > What about ol' grandma, she doesn't want no phone with command line ;-) > We need to care about low-feature users, too. Users that are IMNSHO, low feature users neither want nor should pay 300-450$ for a phone. A <40$ Nokia 1110 much b

Re: [UK] Import Duty

On Friday 13 July 2007 17:30:36 Andy Loughran wrote: > Does this mean that for a neo1973 Base ~184GBP on delivery I'll have to pay > another 32.20GBP? That's very much dependent on how the customs sees your Neo. Some categories of products seem to be exempt of VAT in many countries (engineering s

Re: Tutorials, HowTo's, etc

On Tuesday 10 July 2007 09:20:39 ramsesoriginal wrote: > Hi. > I really love this project, but since (as most of us here, i imagine) i'm > only a "simple" student, i can't afford to buy two Neos. So i will wait > 'til october. But I would like to have some possibility to develope > something in the

Re: Hardware question

On Thursday 12 July 2007 16:38:37 Marc Verwerft wrote: > - faster graphics (but since this is under NDA, it might take 6-9 > months or so before you can see the benefits of it) > - more memory Which means FLASH in this case (i.e. non volatile storage), I think RAM is 128MB on both. pgpfHiRBBzWr

Re: USB host question

On Sunday 08 July 2007 23:54:23 Don Park wrote: > The netgear WGT634U access point ran linux and had USB host mode. This > provided a gigantic amount of usability and expandability. Hard drives > and wifi radios could hang off the access point. Has anyone tried > hanging a USB wifi radio off of the

Re: Annoying but inevitable

On Sunday 08 July 2007 15:49:31 Attila Csipa wrote: > What I find odd is that nobody considers that some users would WILLINGLY > have/watch ads on their phone, depending on their plan, in exchange for > better rates, rewards, whatever. You don't have to eliminate the ads, you > can also eliminate t

Re: Quick Question about July 9th.

On Thursday 05 July 2007 21:00:19 Derick Jones wrote: > Will the phones being sold on July 9th be available to anyone interested or > only to developers? I am very interested in the phone and just confused as > to who can order the phone on the 9th. I get mixed readings from various > websites. As

Re: Custom case designs...

On Tuesday 03 July 2007 19:58:10 Tim Newsom wrote: > Or how about this... Cases from recycled materials.. > > Neo1973.. Free your phone, open your horizons, save the world... > Good for you, great for the environment. Swiss PET recycling organization currently has a campaign like that: "Don't th

Re: Custom case designs...

On Tuesday 03 July 2007 19:03:47 adrian cockcroft wrote: > I've been designing cases for the homebrew mobile club, posting the design > files on the wiki and producing them on a 3D printer. > > http://www.hbmobile.org/wiki/index.php?title=Portrait_oriented_case > > I can get these individually made

Re: Why iPhone using AJAX was genius

On Tuesday 03 July 2007 17:03:13 Attila Csipa wrote: > Neo1973, like, without case/microSD/power adapter/battery/etc (possibly > even without display), just the finished PCB with components ? I think Sean is actively working towards that goal. At least he seemed to like that idea very much. Migh

Re: New Oceans

On Monday 02 July 2007 20:17:55 Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: > If FIC does manage to get Ingram Micro or some other large distributor > to carry the Neo, I would expect to start to seeing a street price > much closer $300. And it would mean that you could suddenly buy Neo in online shops all over

Re: GPS can work stand-alone (Re: Advertising/hype)

On Monday 02 July 2007 12:31:00 Nick Johnson wrote: > certainly what everything I've read has indicated. I thought it was > also required to get a fix at all - that the AGPS chip offloads some > of the harder work onto the network, as that's what a workmate told me > - but if he's wrong, I'm glad.

Re: Packet encryption possibilities?

On Monday 02 July 2007 01:56:09 Patrick Madden wrote: > One of my research interests is encryption, and cell phones clearly > need some help. Will hacking along these lines be possible in the > upcoming release? The chip sets used in the phone might not expose > enough to do this, and if it's no

Re: [openmoko-announce] Re: New Oceans

On Sunday 01 July 2007 06:25:06 Justin Mazzi wrote: > How much bandwidth is needed? Do you have a system in place for > selling the phone online? I think he refers to company bandwidth (i.e. resources to organize sales etc), not internet bandwidth pgpLMc3pj7aax.pgp Description: PGP signature __

Re: New Oceans

On Saturday 30 June 2007 18:39:27 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > +1 to this unbundled approach. Also maybe add "replacement touchscreen" > > as this is probably #1 part most likely to get busted? > > Another vote for the unbundled approach. A number of us hardware types are > discussing various gadg

Re: Clarification Rant

On Wednesday 06 June 2007 01:12:18 Ryan Prior wrote: > I'm in the same situation. I need a phone, no question. The Neo 1973 is the > phone I want, no question. The question is this: will the Neo1973 with WiFi > be available by the time I cannot live without a phone for any longer? How about getti

Re: New wishlist item: Side-mounted touch strip sensor

On Tuesday 19 June 2007 11:39:22 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > This is an idea which was floated on the SVHMPC list a few months ago. > The only possible issue is those people who are left-handed. Perhaps a > strip on each side would be the best way to go. :-) > I think the HTC S620 has something lik

Re: Will Openmoko ever see the light of day? Was Re: Concern for usability and ergonomics

On Thursday 14 June 2007 23:45:29 Jonathon Suggs wrote: > Well as far as we know (no *official* word) the models (GTA-01) that you > have actually are vaporware as far as we are concerned since they are > not going to be mass producing them in favor of rolling out the GTA-02's. Which assuming GTA-

Re: Will Openmoko ever see the light of day? Was Re: Concern for usability and ergonomics

On Thursday 14 June 2007 13:21:36 Jim Thompson wrote: > parts on them... and the software is mostly done too! > > This is the only worrisome thing to me. Nobody has seen the software. Uhm the SVN is public and people actively run the software in qemu? pgpcczpM28B9b.pgp Description: PGP signatu

Re: standard API for linux phones?

On Tuesday 12 June 2007 08:19:34 Paul A. Lambert wrote: > compatible this group is at least in philosophy. The > participation is closed, the forum allows patented code (as long as > the license is non-discriminatory). Even with these issues, I'd > still be very interested in seeing what th

Re: Concern for usability and ergonomics

On Monday 11 June 2007 19:00:42 Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: > I totally agree with your points. Please keep in mind that this was > our first design. And that we are using an ID design that simply > wasn't made for what this project has become. It was originally > designed for a completely different us

Re: cellphone-sized X86 PC motherboard potential OpenMoko platform?

On Sunday 10 June 2007 23:28:03 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > set!) at a lower speed with much less transistors. Wikipedia tells > that the original 8086 did have just 29.000 transistors and the 8087 > FPU did have 45.000. So, I would assume that the instruction set > extensions since the 8086

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