Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware
On 10/28/2013 10:03 PM, Michael Spacefalcon wrote: * Most of the Openmoko community sees my FreeCalypso work as being illegal, because they have voluntarily chosen to live and/or accept citizenship in repressive countries which deem it to be so. I suspect that the power-keepers of the Om Wiki would not want to have anything to do with my illegal project and its equally illegal fruits. Speaking personally, and from a UK perspective, your work is not illegal in the UK as such. Someone can freely load it onto a calypso device, and use it in a completely shielded room. Or perhaps even after requesting the appropriate permissions use it on-air. (I suspect this will be impractical in the UK). However, once anyone has used your work to change the IMSI of their phone (this needs to lead to no other offence), and you are aware of this, if you do not stop distribution, you are liable to conviction and a term of imprisonment not to exceed 5 years. http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2002/31/section/2 This is a poorly drawn bit of legislation, and in principle could also cover the operator of any website hosting such code, once the operator becomes aware that they are facilitating this. In principle, this could lead to an EU arrest warrant, or even a request for extradition. There are separate issues around the IP that you do not have permission to use. In practice - I would be truly astonished if, unless the above tool were to be used in a very serious crime, as one of its critical elements, any conviction would result. There were 5 convictions in 2004-5. I'm unable to find any recent ones. The above law is justified IMO - simply as reprogramming a phones IMSI removes it from the UK block list. This means that it has lots more value, and can be resold. It having more value means that criminals will attempt to take it from people, with the use of force. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: First small steps toward free GSM firmware
On 10/16/2013 10:13 AM, Balint Szente wrote: What is not clear for me is that can a software be FSF/OSI "free" but illegal to use? In principle, one can take osmocombb through your local approvals process, and get it approved for use in your country. It may also be legal to use in certain circumstances, for example one of the US bands for ISM - sort of open-access - is the same as one of the EU cellphone bands. Many cellphones will use this band happily in the USA. And if you can get the approval of the local government, it can be entirely fine. Pretty much the same with encryption - PGP is not legal to use everywhere. That doesn't make it not free software. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Kickstarter: Open Source Graphics Processor (GPU)
On 10/12/2013 05:43 PM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: The main fear I have is that there is not enough funding because nobody can really use it in daily work without investing another lots of money (to integrate the FPGA with something). BR, Nikolaus Speaking in generalities - FPGAs use lots more power for a given task than dedicated hardware. They are also a lot more expensive. This is unlikely to be $400K investment, then $20 per chip. More like 400K investment leading to something that works on a $1000 FPGA, and uses several times the power of a comparable device. Is this interesting - in principle - yes - combined with an ARM licence, it could lead to a moderately low risk CPU, if someone were willing to put up the several-many million to make a CPU with it on die. Off-die GPUs are an utter non-starter for mobile devices. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The "open hardware" phone project that's had the most interest
On 10/05/2013 04:04 PM, Pascal Gosselin wrote: While I understand the needs/wants of open hardware, the average smartphone user really couldn't care less. That's the core of the problem, lack of a large user base. HOWEVER, what a *lot* people seem to be interested in, is an open architecture MODULAR smartphone that could be customized. You want a bigger battery ? A better GPS ? A better camera ? Audio/video inputs ? Discrete inputs ? Serial ports ? Ethernet ? Absolutely ! Close to 900,000 people have indicated current interest in making this happen. http://www.phonebloks.com/ Unfortunately, it seems the technical understanding of the people involved is limited. This is basically at the level of a 5-year-old trying to design a car. 'Ok - it needs wheels and doors and a ball-pit'. Without the knowledge of what the transmission or suspension is. There are many challenges to making modular systems. Let's consider a module - and not even go into specifics. Firstly - you need to make it a given size - or it won't fit into the phone. This means that either you make the modules large, and may waste space in them, or you make them small, and risk stuff not fitting. Secondly, you add costs. This starts at the connector(s) - fine pitch very dense connectors are expensive! Especially if they need to deal with RF - and fragile. Another cost is overcapacity - if you have a phone, you can design the power supply to be adequate. Overdesigning it to cope with upgrades costs money. Now we run into the issue of reliability - part of the reason modern phones are comparatively reliable is they have almost no connectors. Certainly none that require mating/unmating by the user. Now, you also need to pay for extra antistatic components on each end of the module interface, a case for the module, a place in the phone for the module to fit in, and mechanical support so it doesn't fall out. Then the issue of antennas arises. Can it be done - sure! Will it be twice the price, twice the weight, a quarter of the reliability - very likely. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Enhancing an RPi with phone capabilities
On 2013-01-25 8:17 AM, jcomm...@math.leidenuniv.nl wrote:
Thanks for your replies. I think I have some good pointers here. But, to
make one thing clear. I am not looking that much for VoIP options, but
would like to connect to an existing carrier, with a SIM-card.
The point is that I want other people (without VoIP) being able to call
this phone. And if I only have VoIP, then they can not give me a call (as
far as I know).
Am I missing something?
Well, yes. A VOIP "DID" line, which most people use when they speak of
VOIP (ignoring Skype for the moment) costs $1-$3 a month and has a
regular phone number attached, so yes, people with regular ("POTS")
phones can indeed call it. The other end can be logged into by a
hardware SIP phone, a software SIP or IAX phone, an "ATA" Analog
Terminal Adapter with a regular phone plugged into it, an Asterisk
instance running like a regular "phone system" inside a business or
home, etc.
And people with Skype can now dial regular phone numbers.
Read the intro chapters of "Asterisk: The Future of Telephony" for a
good overview (the book's a bit dated as it talks of Asterisk 1.6 and
1.8 while they're up to 1.11, but all the stuff it covers is still
useful and it's quite readable).
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Re: Wanted: GTAxx with Wifi and RS-232
> > I wouldn't think so, or he or somebody would have bid my GTA02 on > > eBay higher than $50. I wouldn't expect to get more than $50 fo a > > GTA02, unless it's brand new in sealed box or it has the fancy black > > penguin case or something. Everyone knows that GTA02 has WiFi and > > USB, and can hang a USB-Serial dongle onto it. > > ... I should have bid on the ebay one ;) You snooze, you lose :-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wanted: GTAxx with Wifi and RS-232
On Wed, Jan 02, 2013 at 05:17:16PM +0100, Jeffrey Ratcliffe wrote: > Hi Troy, > > On 30 December 2012 21:08, Troy Benjegerdes wrote: > > I can do this with a GTA02 (wifi built-in, and USB-host mode), or *maybe* > > > My per-unit budget for the hardware is between $50 (bare GTA) and > > $150 (GTA running my python code with wifi and rs232) > > Does this mean that you would give me $150 for my GTA02? Are you > US-based? Would you pay postage from Germany? I wouldn't think so, or he or somebody would have bid my GTA02 on eBay higher than $50. I wouldn't expect to get more than $50 fo a GTA02, unless it's brand new in sealed box or it has the fancy black penguin case or something. Everyone knows that GTA02 has WiFi and USB, and can hang a USB-Serial dongle onto it. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA02 for sale on ebay, currently going for $20
On 2012-12-30 2:29 PM, Troy Benjegerdes wrote: Does this one have wifi? I have whatever version only had bluetooth. I'd be quite interested in both if I had a clear path how to run them without needing to have the battery (as an always-on touchscreen for home automation).. see http://androidthermostat.com/ Yes, the GTA02 has WiFi. You can see that http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Hardware and there is a link to some of the software in the "standard" Linux ports. But just to confirm, I was able to connect it to my home LAN without a hitch; the Android-on-FreeRunner port tht I have installed on it at present, supports WiFi nicely. On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 12:44:13PM -0500, Ian Darwin wrote: I posted this on eBay hoping the world would beat a path to my door, but they don't seem to have; the GTA02 has only gone up to $20 (as of Dec 30, 2012) and there's just a few days left on the auction. If you've been meaning to pick up a GTA02 (or a spare) for dev or testing, this could be a bargain. Seehttp://www.ebay.com/itm/290834549813 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GTA02 for sale on ebay, currently going for $20
I posted this on eBay hoping the world would beat a path to my door, but they don't seem to have; the GTA02 has only gone up to $20 (as of Dec 30, 2012) and there's just a few days left on the auction. If you've been meaning to pick up a GTA02 (or a spare) for dev or testing, this could be a bargain. See http://www.ebay.com/itm/290834549813 I also have a GTA01 if anybody's interested, write me directly only (if today's date is before the 14th January 2013), otherwise I'll list it on eBay as well. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: WikiReader / PDF, TXT or HTML?
> Patryk Benderz writes: > > I ain't no clue, but would be nice to have *nix ManReader :) Very often > Wikipedia (so I assume WikiReader) has pages on most of the *nix utilities. Not quite a ManReader, but close. IanS ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Bluetooth fail (poll?)
The jurisdiction where I reside recently implemented a law banning handheld devices while driving. I bought a Jabra BT125 because someone reported success with it and the Freerunner. I've gone over the SHR manual web page and the manually using bluetooth page and everything else Google could find with both SHR Unstable and SHR Testing. Finally bought a Motorola phone and have set aside the Freerunner for now. :-( I've never used bluetooth before, but it seems the Freerunner (GTA02) pairs with either the Jabra or with my truck's Sync, but does not connect. The headset beeps twice and exits its pairing mode, but does not make another beep that it does make when I pair it with my Motorola phone. The truck saves om-gta02, but does not say it is connected to the phone as it does when I pair it with the Motorola. In either case the Freerunner says "New device (/org/bluez//hci0/dev_xx_xx_xx_xx_xx_xx)" (not really x's of course). I am wondering if only a few people have got bluetooth to work with headsets for GSM calls while lots of us lose sleep over it, or have most got it going and I'm just missing something? IanS ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
Quoting "Risto H. Kurppa" : > Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? > Do you use FR as your primary PDA? > > What distribution you run most of the time? Yes No SHR ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[QtMoko] Freerunner making a squealing noise
Hey all, Has anyone else ever experienced a loud squealing or shrieking noise on their Freerunner that begins some amount seconds (varies) after starting or receiving a phone call? The noise rapidly gets louder once it starts and within about a second is much louder than the voice. Both parties can hear the noise and it makes communication very difficult. I first noticed it on the 18th which was a few days after I updated from QTEI to QTMoko (FSO variant 20090707). This Freerunner has not been buzz fixed, but this is not a buzzing issue. The noise sounds like no kind of RF interference or feedback that I have ever heard - the pitch is not fixed and the closest thing I can think of to compare it to is the wind whistling through some trees, but much louder and quite a bit harsher. -I -- http://darkstarshout.blogspot.com/ -- On the day *I* go to work for Microsoft, faint oinking sounds will be heard from far overhead, the moon will not merely turn blue but develop polkadots, and hell will freeze over so solid the brimstone will go superconductive. -- Eric S. Raymond, 2005 -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Hello world. Is the Neo Freerunner dead?
> I've been drooling over the Freerunner for years now, specifically to have > the capability to plug a REAL keyboard to it and SSH into my network. > else > do I have an alternative > fi > I can tinker freely and willingly with the phone, but I need to > place/receive calls ans SSH into my network. So you want [to at least consider holding off until more information regarding] the upcoming Nokia N900 "Rover" Internet Tablet based on Linux [is released, including an official statement from Nokia that the tablet has all the software stacks in place to support voice via the 3G modem and not just data], which supports both wired (using an appropriate cable and switching the USB port to host mode via software readily available from the maemo extras repository which adds a nice extra friendly icon in the control panel) and bluetooth (which I recommend) keyboards. OpenSSH (or Dropbear if you are so inclined) can easily be installed from the maemo extras repository to facilitate all your logging into and out of needs. > The "Developers only" ubiquitous tag seems to suggest that it may not "just > work". That is correct. Just how much work you need to apply to make it "just work" depends on (off the top of my head): a) Your definition of "work" b) Your expectations c) Your experience with Linux d) Your free time e) Your cranium bashing index f) Which distro you picked g) How much documentation you are willing, and have the time, to read. h) Your experience with Linux i) The size of your fingers (smaller and nimbler is better) j) Your tolerance for small on screen keyboards (what do you think you will have to do to get that nice large keyboard to work? Compare that to the nice finger friendly GUI in the Internet Tablets) k) Your tolerance for small on screen keyboards (what do you do when you need to reply to an SMS and don't have your full size keyboard with you, or time to set it up?) l) How much time you are willing to spend flashing it (openmoko: depending on size of image, up to tens of minutes. Internet tablet: seconds. literally. no exaggeration. I was surprised myself when I first upgraded the OS on my N800). m) Your expectations n) Your definition of "work" I believe I saw a figure mentioned in a recent thread of "about three months" to get the Freerunner to a state where it would operate how that particular person could use it as their daily phone. I wouldn't be surprised if that was exaggerated, then again, from my own experiences I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't. Personally I have my phone in a state where it is usable as a daily phone and have been unwilling to change it since then. I prefer the annoying bugs I know to the bugs I don't since it is now my main phone and I can't really afford to risk breaking it yet again. Don't let me put you off the Freerunner any more than I already have - as evidenced by this mailing list there are clearly plenty of people who swear by and love the phone to death, but there are many people who have been sorely disappointed by the Freerunner and I don't want you only getting one side of the story and ending up disappointed yourself. Eagerly awaiting the launch of the N900 so I can ditch this Freerunner, -Ian OR Logging off for a few days to avoid the inevitable flamewar I just sparked, -Ian Pity, I really wanted FIC to succeed. -- http://darkstarshout.blogspot.com/ -- On the day *I* go to work for Microsoft, faint oinking sounds will be heard from far overhead, the moon will not merely turn blue but develop polkadots, and hell will freeze over so solid the brimstone will go superconductive. -- Eric S. Raymond, 2005 -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Is a FreeRunner sufficient for me?
Quoting abatrour : > > Hey, I live in the lower mainland as well. I have om2009 installed and I can > send and receive text messages just fine. I don't do actual calls yet > because I don't have the buzzfix, FYI (in case you weren't aware) you can get the buzz fix from SDG Systems if the phone is sent to them by 15 July. Just pay postage there and shipping back and you get a battery for your trouble. http://sdgsystems.com/estore/cart.php?target=product&product_id=269&category_id=17 (watch the URL-wrap) IanS ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Openmoko Neo Freerunner Re: How to get buzz fix in Australia
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Denis Johnson wrote: > I have asked this before but the thread seems to have fizzled. > > I have a GTA02 V5 one of the first group purchases into Australia and > I would like to know if anyone in Australia is planning a buzz fix > party or if there is somewhere overseas I can send my Freerunner to > get fixed. > > I do not have the equipment or expertize to do it myself. Any > recommendations welcome. > > regards Denis > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > First and second complaints that my handset suffers from the buzz last night. Anyone handy with a soldering iron in Canberra feel like a buzz fix party? I'll CC this to the Canberra Linux Users Group mailing list since there are several people on that list who were part of the group purchase and I'm pretty sure they don't all subscribe to this list. Cheers, - -Ian - -- http://darkstarshout.blogspot.com/ - -- On the day *I* go to work for Microsoft, faint oinking sounds will be heard from far overhead, the moon will not merely turn blue but develop polkadots, and hell will freeze over so solid the brimstone will go superconductive. -- Eric S. Raymond, 2005 - -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Use GnuPG with Firefox : http://getfiregpg.org (Version: 0.7.5) iD8DBQFKOahIrQR5CkD4dNARArB2AJ49SxKoLk2Tk6f4lh3W8fxbCo5yuQCeKbG2 L0twhpzb2pgdGN6JBBRBInc= =p2be -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Android call volume still an issue ?
Quoting Chris Samuel : > I'm pondering trying out Android on my FR but was worried by some of the > comments on the Wiki about very low volume during voice calls - is that still > an issue with the latest builds ? I am using Koolu's beta 6 release and call volume is no more quiet than it was using OM2008. Perhaps better in fact as with OM2008 I always had to turn up the slider as soon as a call was connected while with Android the call volume is OK. I'm not even sure there is a way to adjust it. Will have to look for that. Battery life seems short. With OM2008 it had become good enough that I didn't think about charging the phone all the time. Using Android I have to remember to plug the phone in during the day again. Speaker phone seems to turn off all volume, though I haven't tried it with a headset. There seems to be more buzz than with OM2008 or perhaps it is just more apparent because of battery life being shorter. With any distribution, my Freerunner seems to buzz more when battery is low. I haven't tried wifi or gps and observations are not quantified in any way as I am just using the phone rather than really thinking about testing. Cheers, IanS ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Graphics Performance
Iain B. FIndleton wrote: > It appears to me that the implementation on the FR is not capable of > moving an updated frame buffer in memory to the chip's video buffer, > presuming they are different, without draping. Since the controller > appears to be able to rescan its own video buffer without flicker, I > wonder what the issue is in moving the frame buffer data? At the speeds > available on the FR, moving 640 x 480 x 2 = 614,400 bytes from memory to > a video buffer at 30 Hz needs about 18 MB/sec. > > What is the bandwidth for memory moves? About 6-8 or so - with 100% CPU utilisation ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [PATCH] Added echo suppression fixes for the OpenMoko Neo phone.
On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: > On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Chris Samuel wrote: >> >> On Wednesday 18 March 2009, Radek Polak wrote: >> >> > did you built it yourself or are you using binary from somewhere? >> >> I think he's using the latest (as I write) snapbuild from here: >> http://trac.karadog.net/qt-extended-improved/wiki/SnapBuilds Yep that's right - I'm using qt-extended-improved-bin-only-20090316.tar.gz > Well, this one is for sure echo free: > qt-extended-improved-bin-only-20090313-echo-fix.tar.gz >> but I haven't tried qt-extended-improved-bin-only-20090316.tar.gz yet -- http://darkstarshout.blogspot.com/ -- On the day *I* go to work for Microsoft, faint oinking sounds will be heard from far overhead, the moon will not merely turn blue but develop polkadots, and hell will freeze over so solid the brimstone will go superconductive. -- Erik Raymond, 2005 -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [PATCH] Added echo suppression fixes for the OpenMoko Neo phone.
Seems that this hasn't yet been 100% solved. I'm using QT Extended Improved 20090316 and my friend reported hearing bad echo when he called me today. I'm pretty sure that it was the first call since boot, so it's likely that none of the places in the code that the echo suppression is activated had been called by that stage. -I -- http://darkstarshout.blogspot.com/ -- On the day *I* go to work for Microsoft, faint oinking sounds will be heard from far overhead, the moon will not merely turn blue but develop polkadots, and hell will freeze over so solid the brimstone will go superconductive. -- Erik Raymond, 2005 -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko keyboard mockup
> Maybe it would be better to have a full-screen input mode where you > can see what will be typed (maybe keep the rightmost 20-30 characters of > the string visible in the keyboard app, then actually pass it to the > program when leaving 'full-screen' mode or pressing 'enter', etc). That > still allows you to see what you are typing with a full-screen keyboard > (which is what it seems most people are wanting from the transparency). > > Extra points could be awarded for allowing applications to give the > keyboard app a description of the 'active' field to be displayed > in a 'full-screen' mode. Yeah, that reminds me a lot of the fullscreen keyboard on the Nokia N800: http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/n800.ars/4 The keyboard can be brought up by either: - If enough pressure is applied to select a text field (significantly more than the stylus can, but still only requires a firm push with a finger/thumb), though this doesn't always work reliably - Pressing the "rocker" key in the middle of the directional keypad when the stylus keyboard is displayed - Changing the settings can enable it to always come up, even when the stylus is used (or disable it altogether). Once displayed, some notable functions which may not be obvious from a screen shot: - If it was activated for a text field which can be edited (ie, not an X terminal), the text will be placed in the text field on the keyboard - The text field in the keyboard supports highlighting, overwriting, moving left/right and so forth - As a word is entered, the single most likely completion in it's dictionary will be displayed in the text field in another colour - if tapped on, it will enter that word. - the button on the upper left (an underlined down arrow) dismisses the keyboard and passes it's input to the application - the return button will also dismiss the keyboard, but will additionally send a return keystoke - The large back key is backspace - The odd looking button just left of the return key brings up a menu allowing cut, copy, paste and changing dictionaries/languages if a second language has been selected in the settings (which appears to also have the option to use both dictionaries simultaneously, though I have not tried that functionality). - On the letters page, the lower right button selects punctuation in a similar manner to many phones (1 tap: full stop, 2 taps: comma, 3: question mark, 4: exclamation mark, 5: hyphen and so on). As it is tapped, the symbols displayed update to indicate the current symbol selected (in black) as well as the next two symbols that would be selected by continuing to tap (in grey). These same symbols may also be found on the 1!+ (numbers and common* symbols) tab, though they are each on separate buttons (so, faster to enter ... for example) - Selecting the letters tab while in the tab swaps between lower and upper case *what is considered a common symbol is debatable - the asterisk is on the third tab, while Euros and Pounds are on the common symbols tab - since I'm in Australia my preference would be to swap that around. Notably, there are also many symbols (including accented characters) which can be used in the small keyboard, which are not available in the fullscreen keyboard at all (as far as I am aware). You can also see an earlier version of the non full screen keyboard (which I do not believe would be suitable for something as small as the freerunner, especially with no stylus holder) here: http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/n800.ars/2 I personally wouldn't mind something similar to this on the freerunner - probably best used in landscape/fullscreen mode with raster's keyboard for portrait/small mode - accelerometer fun comes to mind to toggle the modes - only needs to be active (and draining power) when the keyboard is displayed (and probably a setting to disable the behaviour somewhere logical). Cheers, -Ian -- http://darkstarshout.blogspot.com/ -- On the day *I* go to work for Microsoft, faint oinking sounds will be heard from far overhead, the moon will not merely turn blue but develop polkadots, and hell will freeze over so solid the brimstone will go superconductive. -- Erik Raymond, 2005 -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko keyboard mockup
> i'd rather not. 1. trollt.. err.. nokia deserve thanks for the core > inspiration > and initial work on their one - i didn't know how the code worked until later > but i nutted out how it probably should work just by poking at it. so if > anyone > deserves a patent - it's them. 2. i'd rather this be well publicised and "out > there" code in the public eye - so the idea is widespread and well known - > thus > serves as prior art pretty much making it impossible for someone to come along > and patent the idea and make things a pain. get the ideas out there in code - > in the public eye with a trail of history so it's available for everyone to > see > and use. if someone implements a better kbd but steals the same idea - i'm > sticking my thumbs up going "good on-ya mate!" i want users and the community > to benefit. 3. i fundamentally disagree with software patents - or at least > the > way they have been implemented. the vast majority i have seen are neither > novel > nor "non-obvious to someone skilled in the art". most are incredibly mundane > straightforward things to "someone skilled in the art" and the system has been > abused to further greed and misplace credit in the hands of those with more > lawyers, not those who innovate the most or the best. be that as it may - the > system is there and we are stuck with it. i'm not a crusader trying to bring > it > down - i don't have the time. got code to write and ideas to make happen :) > but > i hope in my little way i can shake my fist at the system and go "here... > prior > art. take that!". i'll let others fight the good fight in trying to reform the > patent system. i'm just rattling my chains and moaning in my corner... > 'brains! brains! braiins! need moore brains!' :) Raster... you are my new hero. It's not the first time I've heard this kind of argument (Andrew Tridgell made a very similar argument at a CLUG meeting some time ago) and I completely agree with you. Good work on the keyboard, -Ian -- http://darkstarshout.blogspot.com/ -- On the day *I* go to work for Microsoft, faint oinking sounds will be heard from far overhead, the moon will not merely turn blue but develop polkadots, and hell will freeze over so solid the brimstone will go superconductive. -- Erik Raymond, 2005 -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: External battery charger
Quoting Jan Henkins : > Hello all, > > Hope somebody can help: > > I perpetrated the "cardinal sin" to let my FR battery run completely > empty, > In the meantime, is there any (non-destructive) way to coax the FR into > life with the flat battery, so that I can charge it? What I've done is boot the Freerunner with the spare battery, plug in the wall charger that came with the Freerunner (or force 500 mA charge on a suitable USB charger supply) then remove the spare battery and put in the FIC battery. The Freerunner will run without battery when the wall charger is plugged in and will charge the FIC battery once it is inserted. IanS ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New 2008.12 Release
> 6 sec to press power should be improved imho -- there is no need for it > to be more than 3 sec (enough time imho to differ between Power->AUx, or > AUX -> Power presses to get into different UBoots) I agree, though I would argue that there is absolutely no reason to have it any longer than 1 second - that's easily long enough that it won't turn on accidentally and short enough that no one would get pissed off at it: 1 second - ok 2 seconds - tolerable 3 seconds - barely tolerable 4 seconds - hmmm, is my battery dead? 5 seconds - ok, this is rediculous 6 seconds - my finger is getting sore 7 seconds - dude, WTF??? 8 seconds - about bloody time! Then there's the matter that if you release the power button the moment the AUX LED blinks it doesn't turn on (has to be held down for another second or so until the splash screen appears), which makes no sense at all - if feedback is provided that the device is about to turn on then it bloody well should turn on! I honestly wonder if OM has hired or at least consulted with a human interfaces expert, because it certainly doesn't feel like they have. Well, at least they finally added a volume control I suppose... My 2c of annoyances (I still have several dollars of annoyances left) -Ian -- http://darkstarshout.blogspot.com/ -- On the day *I* go to work for Microsoft, faint oinking sounds will be heard from far overhead, the moon will not merely turn blue but develop polkadots, and hell will freeze over so solid the brimstone will go superconductive. -- Erik Raymond, 2005 -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA03 - buttons or touchscreen
Quoting JW <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Ok Community, > > vote and tell OM what you want for the next phone > 1) touchscreen (no qwerty buttons) - freerunner, HTC Orbit, iphone > 2) qwerty keyboard and tracker ball - blackberry curve > 3) combination touchscreen plus qwerty - G1 > In order of preference; 3) combo : if it's a slide out with big keys ie HTC Touch Pro 1) touchscreen : not quite as deep set as GTA02 2) qwerty & tracker ball : I'd rather not physically reduce screen space IanS ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [u-boot] Wrong image format for bootm command
The issue is that somehow your u-boot environment, which is stored in a separate partition to u-boot itself (and therefore not reset when you flash u-boot), has been cleared. There's a solution here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Uboot#What_if_I_borked_my_bootloader_environment_and_don.27t_get_a_prompt_anymore.3F Let me know if you have any trouble - I did this myself (on purpose) the other day, so it's still fairly fresh in my mind. Cheers, -Ian On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 6:42 AM, Matthew Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey, > > I'm having trouble booting my neo. I can get into NOR flash, and NAND > flash, but the NAND flash only supplies one option: the "Boot" command. > This command prints a message saying "Wrong image format for the bootm > command." > > I have grabbed the latest u-boot from: >> http://downloads.openmoko.org/daily/gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin > I have flashed this into my NAND using dfu-util from my NOR with no errors. > > My flash image is currently the FDOM image. I was attempting to install > debian on my uSD. I updated to the latest uboot, configured it using a > script provided at debian.org, and then booted into my flash image and > proceeded to install debian. The process halted after partitioning, > which then advised to use 'cu' to add some environmental variables to > booting. After this, I rebooted and began receiving these errors. > > I currently cannot boot into anything. I can log into NOR (which seems > fine) but I am unable to flash a working NAND (Just that "boot" option). > > Thanks! > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- http://darkstarshout.blogspot.com/ -- On the day *I* go to work for Microsoft, faint oinking sounds will be heard from far overhead, the moon will not merely turn blue but develop polkadots, and hell will freeze over so solid the brimstone will go superconductive. -- Erik Raymond, 2005 -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian] Evince works and is nice for ebooks
> With the price of the phone you payed the hardware, personally I think > a very good hardware. If you want to confront the Open Source > Community with a propretary software firm, you are in a wrong > direction. OK, I'm taking the bait (no offence is meant by this post to anyone, don't take it the wrong way. I'm anticipating most of the shortcomings I mention here will be fixed in future phones anyway) "good hardware", ey? GSM, what, no 3G? Oh well, nevermind, that's why I carry an N95 with a data only plan and I never had the intention to use the FR for data anyway (too expensive down here to have a single device do both)... Wifi - range not so great, but doesn't bother me too much. USB1.1 ?!?!?!?!?!!?!!?!?!?!?!?!? Sorry, I'm kind of used to being able to flash my Internet Tablet in a matter of seconds (not exaggerating) and then finished booting into the new OS in under 2 minutes. The neo is kind of like start flashing, and now watch some TV while I wait -- and I better just hope that MythTV recorded something worth watching! Bluetooth - well, you can't really go wrong with bluetooth, so no faults here Accelerometers - I'm not entirely sure why I need two of them, but hey it's still pretty neat :) GPS - Haven't tried it, can't imaging there being any hardware issues with it thoguh. Lack of keyboard - ewww, oh well, I guess it can be compensated for by a decent on screen keyboard, right? Screen - not sunlight readable!?!?! Dude, WTF? I guess the lack of a keyboard CAN'T be compensated outside in the middle of the day then. Oh well, I guess this is only 2nd gen after all, and it did take Nokia until their 3rd gen Internet Tablet to include one... resolution of 480x640 - "meh, I don't need that much". Audio jack - haven't used it yet, I would have preferred a 3.5mm jack, but doesn't bother me too much. RAM - 128 glorious MiB :) Just, please no one port firefox (microb or other browsers using gecko, sure, just not the whole firefox). NOR - *thankyou* for the failsafe FIC, speaking as one who has bricked embedded devices before (and thank goodness I had a debug board with jTAG for that). NAND - 256 MB can feel cramped at times, but that's OK, just a sign that I should probably have remembered that it's an embedded device before I tried to install OpenSuSE desktop (kidding). Camera (or lack there of) - Doesn't bother me personally, but then I'm the guy that can be identified by carrying 3 phones (FR+N95(works as a 3G bluetooth modem and camera)+Work mobile) and an internet tablet in various pockets in my cargo pants. It's an interesting point of debate - on one side I'm hearing lots of people say "ooh, a smartphone I could take into work", on the other side I'm hearing a lot of people asking me about the phone and finally commenting "what? no camera?". Though until the software gets better I'm not entirely sure how many businesses (other than FIC obviously) would appreciate one of their employees taking some time off to run some straces on the phone to try to work out what's wrong with his SMS app THIS time, and just wishing he had something with him that he could use to SSH into it to make this faster... Open - It's why I bought the thing So yeah, overall the phone hardware is OK, but I wouldn't really call it good. My main personal complaints are the lack of a sunlight readable screen, USB1.1 and the lack of a keyboard or keypad. The main hardware related points that random people keep bringing up when they have a look at it are no 3G (probably thinking iPhone) and both sides of the camera argument. my 2c, -Ian -- http://darkstarshout.blogspot.com/ -- On the day *I* go to work for Microsoft, faint oinking sounds will be heard from far overhead, the moon will not merely turn blue but develop polkadots, and hell will freeze over so solid the brimstone will go superconductive. -- Erik Raymond, 2005 -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Rasterman Image...
Quoting Joel Newkirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 20:32:34 -0600, "Ori Pessach" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > I have a question about the "predictive" keyboard shown in one of those > > movies > > > > --Ori Pessach > > Intended, you just have to understand what it's doing. > > Unlike T9 and other predictive inputs that are familiar from cellphones, > the keyboard predictive process looks at neighboring keys, 'predicting' > that periodically you may hit the wrong one. (if you're using your finger > that's pretty likely, especially if they're as wide as mine) At first look I thought this keyboard was useless. Coming back to it later I started to see how it worked, but still switched to a full dvorak layout with stylus all the time. Seeing this thread I took another look ... stylus ... finger...! Now I love it! I can mash all over the keyboard with my fat fingers and it makes the right words available almost every time! No more squinting in poor light trying to get exactly the right key with the stylus. I think I'll be using this predictive keyboard a lot more. IanS ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Dialer UI Design
Alex does bring up some excellent points, and I would like to point to the (unfortunately closed source) media centre app for the Nokia Internet Tablet called Canola as an example, which was written in Python (distributed as byte compiled python) and uses EFL for the graphics. Everything in the app feels very smooth and for the most part is quite responsive - it's the smoothest inertial scrolling I've seen in a non-apple product (not that I like inertial scrolling very much since the distinction between select and scroll is far too small, and would stay away from it on any interface I design). The UI is fairly well designed, mostly because they listened to their users and redesigned it to address the issues brought up. The only real problem with it is that it takes quite a while to load - but that's really only a one off initial time consuming task. Oh, and of course the other problem is that it's closed source, but maybe "Instituto Nokia de Tecnologia" will follow Nokia's (They are now independant) lead and open it up some day. Cheers, -Ian -- http://darkstarshout.blogspot.com/ -- On the day *I* go to work for Microsoft, faint oinking sounds will be heard from far overhead, the moon will not merely turn blue but develop polkadots, and hell will freeze over so solid the brimstone will go superconductive. -- Erik Raymond, 2005 -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Dialer UI Design
Hey all, I'm just sending this out there for anyone working on a/the dialer UI. At the moment with the qtopia (ergo, 2008.*) dialer the same part of the screen is used for "answer call" as "end call", and since the UI is laggy (see below), I naturally hit answer call a second time and as a result hung up immediately. Probably should avoid this UI design pitfall in future dialer (and other) interfaces. A note on UI response times: 10ms should be the MAX response time, anything that takes longer has just 10ms to let the user know it's going to take longer (progress bar, hour glass, etc), otherwise the reaction is disconnected from the action that caused it in the user's mind and worse, the user will press the control again. Cheers, -Ian -- http://darkstarshout.blogspot.com/ -- On the day *I* go to work for Microsoft, faint oinking sounds will be heard from far overhead, the moon will not merely turn blue but develop polkadots, and hell will freeze over so solid the brimstone will go superconductive. -- Erik Raymond, 2005 -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] missing LAN tools
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 3:48 AM, Christian Weßel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Am Montag, den 22.09.2008, 09:37 -0400 schrieb Jim Ancona: >> If you can ssh to it, but you can't connect outbound, that usually means >> that you don't have the default gateway set properly. If you are using >> USB, try: >> >> route del default gw 192.168.0.200 >> route add default gw 192.168.0.200 > > I have successfull access with ssh, I set a new pw as recommended. No > problems, also after reboot. > I checked the /etc/network/interfaces: > >> # Ethernet/RNDIS gadget (g_ether) >> # ... or on host side, usbnet and random hwaddr >> auto usb0 >> iface usb0 inet static >> address 192.168.0.202 >> netmask 255.255.255.0 >> network 192.168.0.0 >> gateway 192.168.0.200 >> up echo nameserver 212.6.108.140>/etc/resolv.conf > > I figure that's fine. > > An attemt of update results: > >> debian-gta02:~# apt-get update >> 0% [Connecting to pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org] [Connecting to >> ftp2.de.debian.org] >> debian-gta02:~# apt-get update >> Err http://ftp2.de.debian.org unstable Release.gpg >> Temporary failure resolving 'ftp2.de.debian.org' >> Err http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org sid Release.gpg >> Temporary failure resolving 'pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org' >> Err http://ftp2.de.debian.org experimental Release.gpg >> Temporary failure resolving 'ftp2.de.debian.org' >> Err http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org unstable Release.gpg >> Temporary failure resolving 'pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org' >> Reading package lists... Done >> W: Failed to fetch >> http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/Release.gpg Temporary >> failure resolving 'pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org' >> >> W: Failed to fetch >> http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/Release.gpg Temporary >> failure resolving 'ftp2.de.debian.org' >> >> W: Failed to fetch >> http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/dists/experimental/Release.gpg Temporary >> failure resolving 'ftp2.de.debian.org' >> >> W: Failed to fetch >> http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/Release.gpg >> Temporary failure resolving 'pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org' >> >> W: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones >> used instead. >> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems > > HAHA, yes I want, but I can't. > > Does anyone has an idea? > -- > > mfg/br, christian weßel > > Flurstraße 14 > 29640 Schneverdingen > Germany > > E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Telefon: +49 5193 97 14 95 > Mobile: +49 171 357 59 57 > http://wesselch.homelinux.org > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > I'm sure you've already done this, but just in case have you set your computer to act as a gateway to the FR? It needs packet forwarding enabled under /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward as well as iptables set up correctly. Personally I use an iptables frontend called firehol to simplify this. My /etc/firehol/firehol.conf looks like (this is on my laptop, not the FR): #always needed for firehol version 5 #Don't let anything in from the Internet that I didn't request interface ppp+ internet src not "$UNROUTABLE_IPS" protection strong client all accept # Accept all client traffic on any other interface and allow incoming SSH interface any world src not "$RESERVED_IPS" server ssh accept client all accept #Forward packets from usb network with NAT router usbnet inface usb0 outface any masquerade route all accept Cheers, -Ian -- http://darkstarshout.blogspot.com/ -- On the day *I* go to work for Microsoft, faint oinking sounds will be heard from far overhead, the moon will not merely turn blue but develop polkadots, and hell will freeze over so solid the brimstone will go superconductive. -- Erik Raymond, 2005 -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Should I update u-boot?
Hi Vinc, > I have a big favor to ask. Could someone direct me exactly to a correct > version of u-boot that can charge a Freerunner with a dead battery? An exact > URL with a file name would mean a lot to me. :-) http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/gta02v5_and_up-u-boot.bin should do the trick. > I checked > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner#Flashing_the_boot_loader_to_the_NAND, > and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Download#End_user, and > http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update. > > Is this the file I need? > http://downloads.openmoko.org/releases/Om2008.8-update/Om2008.8-gta02-20080903.uImage.bin No, that's a kernel image packaged for uBoot. Cheers, -Ian -- On the day *I* go to work for Microsoft, faint oinking sounds will be heard from far overhead, the moon will not merely turn blue but develop polkadots, and hell will freeze over so solid the brimstone will go superconductive. -- Erik Raymond, 2005 -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: (OM2008.8-update) (audio/GSM) alsamixer names
Disclamer: I'm not a kernel hacker... yet. Just poking around I'd say look in the kernel sources under /sound/soc/codecs/wm8753.c Happy Hacking, -Ian On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 11:55 AM, Vasco Névoa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi. > > Some callers have been complaining my GSM microphone level is low, so > I've been reading the threads about echo cancellation and alsa state > files, but every time I walk into alsamixer I get lost. > > I'd like to suggest different names for the Alsa controls, because quite > frankly I cannot relate to the ones I see in alsamixer. But first I'd > like to ask you guys if you feel the same need as me. Do you feel > comfortable with the present alsa channel names, or would you like them > to be clearer? > I think that these names are confusing and sometimes even misleading. > They should be closer to the user... like for example, from (1) we know > that the "Voice" interface is connected to the bluetooth interface; why > not call it "bluetooth"?? The same goes for PCM; I know "everybody" > knows that PCM means "Pulse Code Modulated" and that can only come from > the CPU, but can't we make life easier on ourselves and call it CPU or > SoC or System or something more obvious that says "this is Linux's sound > card"? The Mic1 and Mic2 could be called HeadMic and BuiltInMic or > something. > > This would make it clearer for everyone messing with these settings, and > so would help accelerate the troubleshooting of this complex system. > > As to the more obscure controls, like the MUXers and the intermediate > routing volume levels, I'd like them to be less distracting and more > accurate; they are used for several things, so they should not be named > for external objects; how about calling them their wolfson datasheet > names, like "LMSEL"?... this way we wouldn't need to constantly try to > "decode" the meaning of each of these things, we'd just open up the > picture (1) and everybody would know precisely what is being talked > about... > > Basically, I'm trying to propose a naming scheme that separates > "high-level stuff" (like plain Headphones and Microphone volume) from > "low-level stuff" (like routing in the mixers). This would allow us > newbies to play in alsamixer without fear of breaking some obscure > routing that may later come back to bite us in the ear. > > Does anyone know where the alsa channel names are defined (which file)? > > Oh, and I think I see a bug: the channel names "Headphone" and "Speaker" > are exchanged, as far as I can see. Phone call volume is controlled via > "Speaker" and SoC music play is controlled via "Headphone"; Isn't this > supposed to be the other way around? Please confirm/deny. > > (1): http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_audio_subsystem#ALSA_Channels > > Vasco Névoa. > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- On the day *I* go to work for Microsoft, faint oinking sounds will be heard from far overhead, the moon will not merely turn blue but develop polkadots, and hell will freeze over so solid the brimstone will go superconductive. -- Erik Raymond, 2005 -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fast dfu-util for Mac?
Wow, that's /almost/ a whole megabit O_O No, seriously I've noticed that it takes forever to flash from Linux too... Seems that the freerunner only has USB1.1 instead of 2.0, but even taking the USB overhead into consideration it still seems awfully slow. I guess that N800 of mine spoilt me with it's unnaturally fast flash in a matter of seconds voodoo magic USB2 stuff. It has occurred to me that it would actually be faster to reflash the neo over wireless - not that I would recommend that practice for hopefully obvious reasons. Cheers, -Ian On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 6:27 AM, Linus Gasser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello all, > > another question: if I boot the jffs from FDOM (97MB), it takes nearly > 15 minutes on my Mac with the dfu-util from > > http://www.dsitri.de/wiki.php?page=Openmoko%20Flasher > > I heard somebody complain about the same issue on Windows. Is there > another solution than to install Linux on my Mac? Anybody? > > Linus > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- On the day *I* go to work for Microsoft, faint oinking sounds will be heard from far overhead, the moon will not merely turn blue but develop polkadots, and hell will freeze over so solid the brimstone will go superconductive. -- Erik Raymond, 2005 -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QTopia and WiFi
On August 15, 2008, Cédric Berger wrote: > On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 20:22, Jim Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Anyway bottom line is does work. > Thanks, I'll try again > Well I manage to have it say "connected", but have no network > access... will keep trying > I also have to try other settings of my modem wifi (TKIP, AES, or TKIP+AES > ...) I just tried again with mine, having failed to get a connection earlier. This time noticed that under wireless settings the access point mac address was wrong on the last digit. Once I corrected that the FR connected right away and I was able to ssh to the FR. IanS ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
usb charging rates
Charging my Freerunner on a dual boot laptop. Freerunner is running Qtopia from microSD card. Under Windows XP, on Freerunner cat sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/charger_type reports "host/500mA usb mode 100mA" But under Ubuntu it reports "host/500mA usb mode 500mA" Ran cat sys/devices/.../charger_type repeatedly while rebooting the laptop from Windows to Ubuntu and the charging mode changed from 100mA to 500mA very near the beginning of Ubuntu booting. Does Windows not speak the same USB protocol as the Freerunner? Can't all computer USB ports provide 500mA? IanS ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Spares - broken case or LCD, ...
Is there any way to purchase cases or LCDs in the event of breakage? Also, I would like a few cases, to play with adding wifi to GTA01, for which I need to modify the case a bit, and I may break it. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?
Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu) wrote: > Yes, we don't have unified warranty policy yet, but this does not mean > we don't take the responsibility for user get bad devices. Define "bad"... It's a little vague -- does 'bad' simply mean DOA like was announced by Steve several months ago regarding the 14-day/28-day DOA warranty, or does 'bad' mean "phones that turn on but don't have functioning hardware" ? Thanks for working with the rest of the team to come to some consensus on what the warranty is all about. -id ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?
Guys, My intention was not to create a message thread for people to vent about what they like or not about the Freerunner. I created the thread to get an official stance from Openmoko about the state of the warranty, and if it would cover any hardware fix offered by OM for the GPS/SD problems. -id ian douglas wrote: > Sean/Michael/Community: > > It's been asked several times, especially regarding the GPS/SD "fixes" > and people ordering pico-farad capacitors and soldering irons ... I'm > hoping that at some point the "squeaky wheel" cliche will work itself > out and we'll get an answer. > > The boxes the Freerunners came in gave no information about warranty, we > need to hear from Openmoko about what exactly the warranty does cover? > My understanding of the warranty time limit is that single purchases got > a 14-day "warranty", and group purchases were given a 28-day "warranty", > but we've never been told what the warranty includes. > > I'd really like to outline some of this on the wiki since we're cleaning > it all up, etc., and since few users will ever search the mailing list > archives anyway. > > Will it include any recall/repairs needed to fix the GPS/SD problems at > a hardware level? > > Thanks, > Ian > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Third request: what *is* the warranty on the Freerunner?
Sean/Michael/Community: It's been asked several times, especially regarding the GPS/SD "fixes" and people ordering pico-farad capacitors and soldering irons ... I'm hoping that at some point the "squeaky wheel" cliche will work itself out and we'll get an answer. The boxes the Freerunners came in gave no information about warranty, we need to hear from Openmoko about what exactly the warranty does cover? My understanding of the warranty time limit is that single purchases got a 14-day "warranty", and group purchases were given a 28-day "warranty", but we've never been told what the warranty includes. I'd really like to outline some of this on the wiki since we're cleaning it all up, etc., and since few users will ever search the mailing list archives anyway. Will it include any recall/repairs needed to fix the GPS/SD problems at a hardware level? Thanks, Ian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SD Card Fix Fubar
Scott Derrick wrote: > Not sure how to proceed now. Is Openmoko going to be taking FR's back > for repairs? Several of us have asked whether trying the hardware fix will void/limit our warranties on the Freerunners, but I don't recall seeing any official answer from Openmoko one way or the other, or even any description as to what sort of warranty we have on the Freerunners at all. I've asked in a separate thread, I've seen other requests on various GPS/SD threads about it too. Has *anyone* seen any warranty-related text on the mailing list lately from an @openmoko.com person? -id ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Which AT&T data plans are compatible?
Ken Restivo wrote: > They actually hire people to sit around and snoop people's UserAgent strings? It's easy to automate since surfing non-SSL sites should send your HTTP headers in plain text, so they you can simply watch the packets and keep track of data counts, browsers, etc. for each wireless account. >> Their unlimited data plan used to be $20/month but they raised it to $30 >> for the new iPhone. Tethering adds even more because they expect that >> you'll be downloading much more data than users who don't tether. > > So "unlimited data" isn't "unlimited" at all? As far as I've seen, personally, it's unlimited. Of course, I tend not to tether my AT&T phone to my laptop and download ISO-sized files or anything. I'm sure if you reach a certain amount of traffic, they'll notice you. Last month I only downloaded about 60MB on my phone. > But I'm told that Sprint Metro PCS allows unlimited data, and tethering, for > US$60/mo That's slightly cheaper than AT&T then, who charges me $69/month for unlimited data plus tethering. -id ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Which AT&T data plans are compatible?
Ken Restivo wrote: > Is there a specific limit? How do they *know* you are tethering? What are the > overage fees and where are they detailed? From what I've read, they watch your traffic for things like user agent strings (if they see an HTTP header specifying that you're using Firefox, it's a sure thing you're tethering since Firefox doesn't have a mobile browser yet), or that they watch for traffic levels that exceed your phone's capacity. For example, if you surf and browse more than a few GB of traffic (ie: torrent downloads) chances are good that you're tethering since your phone will only natively hold about 200MB of content plus whatever your SD card will hold. As for "overage fees", it's whatever they charge you based on your current plan. For example if you don't HAVE a data plan, they'll hit you with pretty heavy fees. Even at 0.01/kb on the MediaNet plan, they expect all of your content will come through their MediaNet browser. That's $10 per 1 MB of data over their limit, which frankly isn't hard to do these days. Their unlimited data plan used to be $20/month but they raised it to $30 for the new iPhone. Tethering adds even more because they expect that you'll be downloading much more data than users who don't tether. -id ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GSM detection/identification
Paul Buede wrote: > the coverage isn't great in the rural areas I find myself. When driving > around, if out of reach of tmobile, it will say "registering" as if > there is no sim card. But, on the little image of the antenna, that > shows how strong my connection is, I still have 2 bars. Is that a bad > guage of connectivity? As far as I recall, TMobile only uses the higher-frequency band, (1800 or 1900? I can never remember), and probably won't drop down to the 850MHz band unless they've signed an agreement with AT&T to piggyback on their lower-frequency network in the rural areas where you've been. -id ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Which AT&T data plans are compatible?
Yes, to my knowledge, GPRS data transfer is not yet automated and not working out-of-the-box. A few people on the list have shared instructions on how they got it to at least connect to their carrier to get an IP address, but I haven't tried it myself on my AT&T (contract) SIM yet. -id Dimitri wrote: > Ian, > When you say "GPRS data transfer is still being worked on" does that mean it > doesn't currently work? > > I ask because my AT&T pay-as-you-go plan has MediaNet data access included, > for $.01 / kb. > > But if I try to connect to a web page, it won't connect. (Using my local > WiFi or USB connection, it connects fine.) > > Could it be an issue with my 3g blazing sim? I would guess no, since it > works just fine when making/receiving calls and text messages. > > Dimitri > > > ian douglas-2 wrote: >> You'll probably need the PDA Personal plan, that's what they recommend >> to smartphone users, which the Freerunner will qualify as, in their >> opinion. >> >> But GPRS data transfer is still being worked on, so hold off paying the >> $30/month for unlimited data just yet. >> >> -id >> >> Dimitri wrote: >>> Which ATT data access plans are compatible with Openmoko? > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Which AT&T data plans are compatible?
Just don't try tethering (using your phone as a modem) on their cheap data plan, or they'll hit you with "overage" fees or tell you to convert to the smarthphone plan. -id Steven ** wrote: > My understanding is that it's marketing BS and there isn't much (if > any) difference between those unlimited data plans. The difference > seems to be what AT&T is willing to sell you. If you have a crappy > old phone, they'll sell you a cheap data plan because they figure you > won't use it. If you have a smartphone, they figure you might > actually be able to and want to browse the web and therefore charge > you more. > > What I'm thinking of trying is taking my old, crappy flip-phone into > the store when asking about data plans. That should get me the cheap > plan. Then just pop the SIM card back into my Neo. I'm betting I'll > have full internet. Worst case scenario: I'll have to tunnel > everything through port 80. > > -Steven > > On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Dimitri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I've set up an ATT pay-as-you-go plan, and I'm able to send/receive calls and >> text messages. >> >> (I had to wiggle the sim card for the phone to recognize the att network: a >> hardware flaw that's been discussed to death.) >> >> Which ATT data plans are compatible with the Freerunner? >> >> There's a ton of them available, with radically different pricing for >> "unlimited". >> >> I see names like "PDA Personal", "MediaNet", "DataConnect", and a bunch of >> others. >> >> Which ATT data access plans are compatible with Openmoko? >> >> D >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://n2.nabble.com/Which-AT-T-data-plans-are-compatible--tp640134p640134.html >> Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> >> ___ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community@lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Which AT&T data plans are compatible?
You'll probably need the PDA Personal plan, that's what they recommend to smartphone users, which the Freerunner will qualify as, in their opinion. But GPRS data transfer is still being worked on, so hold off paying the $30/month for unlimited data just yet. -id Dimitri wrote: > I've set up an ATT pay-as-you-go plan, and I'm able to send/receive calls and > text messages. > > (I had to wiggle the sim card for the phone to recognize the att network: a > hardware flaw that's been discussed to death.) > > Which ATT data plans are compatible with the Freerunner? > > There's a ton of them available, with radically different pricing for > "unlimited". > > I see names like "PDA Personal", "MediaNet", "DataConnect", and a bunch of > others. > > Which ATT data access plans are compatible with Openmoko? > > D ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko on Design
ezuall wrote: > Potential, that is the first word that comes to mind when I think about and > play with my freerunner. I spent months absolutely obsessively waiting for > the release, but when I first received it I was afraid. I agree, there's unlimited potential. To be honest, I was all hyped about the Freerunner, even throughout the beta testing period before they became available for purchase, and gladly took the risk of making a purchase for the Los Angeles group buy. I should admit though, that despite my zeal, I'm still quite confused myself on the whole ASU/FSO/Qtopia/2007.2 framework splits, as Jay Vaughan has pointed out a few times. To some degree, Sean's Email helped ease my confusion -- I see Openmoko like Linux Torvalds (which Michele brought up) -- Openmoko has an idea of where they want to get the phone to a basic "usable" state and to where we community hacker/members can start adding on top of it and making the device a household name. Openmoko has their tool of choice, but don't care what other people develop for the phone, I'm sure the same way Linux Torvalds probably doesn't care whether an end user utilizes GNOME vs KDE. And while Openmoko is working on their own framework, I have to agree with many other voices: knowing which platform to develop for, as a developer myself, is confusing. I don't like the thought of having to write multiple versions of an application that caters to GTK and Qt separately, although I recall that the FSO framework is trying to bridge that gap. But I also don't want to have to market my application as "only works on 2007.2/FSO because I use GTK" because that's the route I chose to build my app. I guess I personally envisioned the Neo1973 (GTA01) as the base model for developers and that the Freerunner was going to have a smoother transition into the mainstream. I agree with Sean (and several others) that the Freerunner gets them a step closer, but Openmoko still relies heavily on the feedback (and *participation*) of the community. As far as "design" goes, I understood Sean's Email to say that they don't care how we build what we build on the phone, and that even the design of the phone (ie: case) is open to us on all levels to make it whatever we want it to be. They're going to focus on their own framework and hardware issues, and let us do what we do best as a community. I still hold to a quote from Andy Powell on the community list, which emphasizes that we all need to pitch in where we can. I agree, not all of us have super-godlike programming skillz, and not all of us are fluent in several languages to write the wiki, but we can ALL chip in here and there if we're on the same page: "If everyone put as much effort into development as they do into bitching and whining this phone would be able to cure cancer by now." - Andy Powell, May 6, 2008 Personally, I signed up to help manage the wiki to make it a better source of information. I haven't got the time to invest into kernel-level development or any hard-core programming, but I *do* have time to review a wiki page or two every single day, and will do what I can. If everybody had the same level of cooperation, this project would be radically different. At the same time, there are always going to be groups of people who are more likely to be vocal than helpful, that's why someone coined the phrase about how "10% of the people do 90% of the work". We will *always* have to deal with the same questions on the mailing list over and over and have to watch for, and manage, duplicate content on the wiki because someone doesn't know how to use a search function. That's a given. Instead of being harsh on these people and speaking negatively, here's a thought: be helpful. We're only going to alienate people if we tell people their thoughts are nonsense/worthless and "RTFM n00b". I feel that Sean has just given us (or perhaps just reiterated what should have already been known), as a community, the means to empower ourselves to help on *everything* about the Openmoko project as a whole. We wanted an open platform, and it's been given to us. We're *all* part of that design. Just my $0.02... -id ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: new list for wiki (and other documentation) maintainers, and anyone interested in helping them
Joachim Steiger wrote: > ian douglas wrote: >> Michael, >> >> Can you alter the mailing list so the list's address is set as the >> default Reply-To value like the community list? > > please not. > >> Simply hitting Reply (instead of Reply-to-All) seems to send replies to >> the authors of the posts. > > thats how it needs to be. thats what your reply-to-all button is for. But the community list is not set up that way, thus my request: >> Might as well keep things uniform in that regard. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Suggestion: default /etc/resolv.conf
Joe Pfeiffer wrote: > Much better to get resolv.conf, along with IP address, from DHCP. Typically, I'd agree -- except the Freerunner doesn't get its IP from DHCP for the USB port, which is where pretty much all of the DNS questions come from to the list (until GRPS starts working reliably...) Personally I don't think there's any harm in having an open/public DNS server pair in the default out-of-the-box /etc/resolv.conf file. In fact, I bundled a whole bunch of configuration files together for wifi, dns, etc. for the guys who were part of the Los Angeles group -- first thing I did for most of them was get that tarball unpacked on their Freerunners. Saved them all some grief. -id ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: new list for wiki (and other documentation) maintainers, and anyone interested in helping them
Michael, Can you alter the mailing list so the list's address is set as the default Reply-To value like the community list? Simply hitting Reply (instead of Reply-to-All) seems to send replies to the authors of the posts. Might as well keep things uniform in that regard. Thanks, Ian Michael Shiloh wrote: > Hi, > > A number of community members have volunteered to put time into our > wiki. There followed some discussion about how best to proceed, and > quickly a suggestion was made to create a separate list to allow this > coordination to take place without bothering those uninterested. > > After a number of suggestions, we agreed to name the new mailing list > simply "wiki". > > In spite of this, I decided to take a different approach and named the > new mailing list "documentation". > > The reason is simple: All documentation needs to be coordinated: wiki, > web pages, printed, etc. There is rarely a reason to duplicate what is > already available, and by focusing on what is documented nowhere we make > good use of our time. Also, it is common for one form of documentation > to refer to another, and changes should be synchronized. Finally, a > consistent theme be very nice. > > From a practical point of view, 95% of our current documentation is in > fact just the wiki, so I don't think it will make much of a difference > anyway. We don't need to worry about wiki maintainers being drowned out > by our other documentors. > > And finally, if this really is a problem we can change it. > > SO: > > If you volunteered to be a wiki maintainer, please visit > https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/documentation and sign up > for the new list. > > If you are interested in following the discussion, or have suggestions > or other helpful comments please join as well. This list is not > restricted to those doing the work. > > Please note that the list is primarily intended to help the wiki > maintainers and other documentation organizers coordinate amongst > themselves in order to improve our documentation. We intend for a high > signal-to-noise ratio, and threads not deemed sufficiently useful will > be requested to move elsewhere. > > Please show your appreciation to the wiki maintainers by using the list > for its intended purpose. > > I am on the list, and I welcome your feedback and comments on the list > if your comments move us towards the goal of improving our > documentation, or privately otherwise. > > Sincerely, > Michael > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GPS software fix, just CRUFT?
Scott Derrick wrote: > With the GPS hardware fix done(10pf cap installed) are the software > changes to the kernel/modules just added cruft? IE. do they add > anything useful? They save people from destroying their Freerunners trying to do some amateur-level soldering or ordering incorrect capacitors. ;o) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Accelerometer(s), Camera, and Memory
Dee Ayy wrote: > I just heard of OpenMoko and Neo FreeRunner today. Awesome! > > > I noticed the Hardware Highlights lists "3axis Motion Sensors (2)" and > would hope that the developers included 2 accelerometers for the > purpose of sampling the rotation as well as translation. The > "closedPhone" and "closedPod" only sample translation via their sole > accelerometer. > > So my question is the same as Francesco Cat's. Where exactly are the > accelerometers positioned on the device? > Would someone please confirm why there are 2 accelerometers? As far as I can tell, because someone decided it would be a good idea, without doing the numbers. From some basic numbers, you can do little with the fact that there are two accellerometers. The fundamental problem is that the accelerometer chips have a resolution of some 16mg. If the accels are 10cm apart - on the periphery of a circle 5cm in diameter, then as accelleration is proportional to the speed squared divided by radius. A=v^2/r 0.016 = v^2/.05 .32 = v^2 v = .56m/s. This is a rotational speed of .56m/s / circumference, or .56m/s / .3m = 1.5 revs/second. And this is for one LSB, so it will be very noisy. The accels can - if positioned appropriately - I don't know where they are - pick up taps on the case, and their relative distance from each accel. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What is the right place to discuss Qtopia on Openmoko?
Lorn Potter wrote (on 2008-07-11 02:12pm): >> 6. Installing QPK apps - Is this possible? I would like to run a >> terminal (the Konsole port) and any other useful/cool apps. I don't know >> how to go about this. I've copied some QPK files to the /home/root on >> the device, but how can these be installed? Or can they? > > They need to be on a web server/feed. > I will set up such a feed this week at qtopia.net Hey Lorn, any luck on getting a web feed available for the QPK apps? (and are there any available?) Your site is inaccessible in the Denver area at the moment (2:15am here), as I'm trying to find an actual server URL to place within /home/root/Applications/packagemanager/ServersList.conf to download a list of available apps. I remembered you saying you wanted to have something up this past week so thought I'd check in. Cheers, Ian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: AT&T SIM Card Doesn't Work, says "registering"
Yochai Gal wrote: > went down to the local AT&T store, they swapped me a new SIM, it makes > and receives call, there's an echo on speakerphone, and it won't read my > contacts off my sim. Dumb question, but did AT&T copy your contacts from the old SIM to the new SIM? -id ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What *is* the warranty on the Freerunners?
never did see an update on this from anyone at OpenMoko ? -id ian douglas wrote: > That is, what does it cover? > > I have a box of Freerunners beside me, but they've been purchased as a > bulk order for 10 other buyers, so I don't want to open the boxes to see > if there's any warranty information inside. > > My impression was that the 14-day warranty on single units and 28-day > warranty on bulk orders was to cover DOA units only. That if the whole > thing failed to power on despite charging, etc.etc. that it could be > returned. > > Does the warranty cover more than this? ie: if we only have a 14/28 day > warranty to return a broken Freerunner, who has communicated to us what > defines "broken" ? > > There's obviously been a huge amount of traffic on the list today about > the GPS unit in the Freerunners and Joerg has hinted at a possible > hardware fix to follow a software fix in the kernel. Does our warranty > cover "recalls" for fixes like this? If the hardware fix occurs after > our 14/28 day warranty period, does that mean we'll have to incur some > cost for the fix besides shipping the units back to OpenMoko? > > I'd also like to add this warranty info on the wiki. > > -id > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Battery Lifetime
Yorick Moko wrote: > maybe it would help if there was standard a button to click on to > suspend the phone (maybe label it Suspend(Bèta)) because it seems most > people are not aware of something other than dim&lock If someone's going to get into adding buttons: Our group last night agreed having a 'reboot' button would be nice too, instead of just the 'shutdown' button and having to manually re-power the phone. -id ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Updates
arne anka wrote: >> opkg update was ok but then upgrade ran until my ssh connection was >> dropped. > > dunno why dropbear drops the connection on upgrade, ususally existing > connections shouldn't be affected. When you upgrade dropbear it does a full stop/start on the service, not an equivalent of a 'reload'. I agree though that existing connections *shouldn't* be affected, but we saw it several times last night with the Los Angeles bulk order group and doing 'opkg upgrade' on several phones. -id ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Los Angeles group sales all completed
Hey all, Except for one guy who couldn't make it, the whole Los Angeles group sales crew showed up tonight at The Rubicon Project where I work to pick up their Freerunners and spend some time configuring them, doing some opkg updates, installing minimo, etc. Thanks for a great transaction guys! Ian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Wiki editors
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Re: Wiki editors
Michael Shiloh wrote: > I will help support you in any way I can. Yes, we can absolutely set up > a mailing list for you to coordinate amongst yourselves. I will also > make myself more immediately available to the wiki editors, so that > questions can be answered as rapidly as possible. Hiya Michael, Quick question: what exactly is Brenda's role? http://openmoko.markmail.org/search/?q=brenda#query:brenda%20date%3A200802%20+page:1+mid:cancdihaeug2s7x2+state:results This leads me to believe it's Brenda's full-time job (as in, employment), to be the wiki editor, organize the articles, etc., so we certainly would value her insights and opinions. We certainly aren't trying to muscle in on her territory, but just willing to lend a hand to what is a daunting, gigantic challenge of finding and editing a LOT of information. Secondly, Michael can you coordinate with whoever is in charge of the wiki software to include the plugin I mentioned last night: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DumpHTML One of my own agenda points as a wiki editor is to get an offline-capable version of the wiki available for download to install on the SD card -- perhaps we could even build it up as an opkg documentation bundle or something. That'd be slick, with "opkg update && opkg upgrade" being able to upgrade the documentation on the phone. > Wiki editors, do you have a request for the list name? How about > openmoko-wiki-editors? Since "openmoko" is already in the domain name, perhaps just "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" would be sufficient? -id ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!
Hugo Mills wrote: > I think they've done pretty damn well > to get a plausible fix out of the door inside a day. Well, more than a day. The development list has had patch info from Andy Green over a few days outlining his testing on voltage increases and decreases on the GPS and Sd circuits. Still, I'm also very happy that they've identified it and working on a fix. -id ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What *is* the warranty on the Freerunners?
On of my bulk buyers was cool enough to permit me to open his Freerunner box -- no documentation of any kind that explains anything about a warranty. Can someone at OM shed a little light so we can post it on the wiki? -id ian douglas wrote: > That is, what does it cover? > > I have a box of Freerunners beside me, but they've been purchased as a > bulk order for 10 other buyers, so I don't want to open the boxes to see > if there's any warranty information inside. > > My impression was that the 14-day warranty on single units and 28-day > warranty on bulk orders was to cover DOA units only. That if the whole > thing failed to power on despite charging, etc.etc. that it could be > returned. > > Does the warranty cover more than this? ie: if we only have a 14/28 day > warranty to return a broken Freerunner, who has communicated to us what > defines "broken" ? > > There's obviously been a huge amount of traffic on the list today about > the GPS unit in the Freerunners and Joerg has hinted at a possible > hardware fix to follow a software fix in the kernel. Does our warranty > cover "recalls" for fixes like this? If the hardware fix occurs after > our 14/28 day warranty period, does that mean we'll have to incur some > cost for the fix besides shipping the units back to OpenMoko? > > I'd also like to add this warranty info on the wiki. > > -id > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
What *is* the warranty on the Freerunners?
That is, what does it cover? I have a box of Freerunners beside me, but they've been purchased as a bulk order for 10 other buyers, so I don't want to open the boxes to see if there's any warranty information inside. My impression was that the 14-day warranty on single units and 28-day warranty on bulk orders was to cover DOA units only. That if the whole thing failed to power on despite charging, etc.etc. that it could be returned. Does the warranty cover more than this? ie: if we only have a 14/28 day warranty to return a broken Freerunner, who has communicated to us what defines "broken" ? There's obviously been a huge amount of traffic on the list today about the GPS unit in the Freerunners and Joerg has hinted at a possible hardware fix to follow a software fix in the kernel. Does our warranty cover "recalls" for fixes like this? If the hardware fix occurs after our 14/28 day warranty period, does that mean we'll have to incur some cost for the fix besides shipping the units back to OpenMoko? I'd also like to add this warranty info on the wiki. -id ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!
Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: >> The note attached said: >> "GPS internal antenna issue appears to respond positively to cranking >> RF_3V to 3.6V from 3.0V." > > it is a SNR issue for sure, and to boost SNR you either > boost signal (which is what voltage raise does) or you reduce noise > (which what removal of SD card seems to be doing). Andy submitted another patch within the last day or so that toyed with the voltage levels of the SD circuitry, but his notes indicate that it's more to do with data stability than noise/interference with the GPS unit. -id ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: In the press
I'll have time to help out as well starting next week. I wonder if we could get the OM techs to create another mailing list started like [EMAIL PROTECTED] so we can communicate to one another about organization plans, etc. The other thing to consider, as well, is what Brenda's role is with regards to the wiki. As I understood it, managing the wiki was her position within the company. Obviously a daunting task for a single person, so perhaps we need to make sure she's in the loop, or managing the team, etc. Like Josh, I can give a few hours per week to make the wiki a less confusing place to be. -id Josh Monson wrote: > I will volunteer a few hours each week towards this. > > Editing, cleanup, moving content, updating content, organization, > etc. > > I'm in. > > John Reese or Torfinn are you 2 also volunteering? That would make 3. > Who else? We need a list of names so we can start firing this project > up. > > I bought this phone for the specific purpose of what is happening right > now with this list, and where it will take the phone :) > > Cheers > > > I use trillian but here is my info, feel free to add me "IF" you are > interested in this part of the project :) > > westcoastmonson :hotmail: > westcoastmonson :yahoo: > westcoastmonson1 :aim: > 422809032:irc: > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Reese > Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 1:15 PM > To: List for Openmoko community discussion > Subject: Re: In the press > > Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: >> Hello, >> >> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 9:27 PM, Jay Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Well thats definitely a very nice proposal, but I would like to hold >>> off a bit on recreating a whole new wiki .. what I had in mind was >>> more of a blog/feed style site, not necessarily another wiki setup .. >> As have been said before in this thread: what we (the Openmoko >> community) need is a wiki editors group. >> Any volunteers? >> The wiki editors group would help each other (and other contributors) >> to improve the wiki, by creating information management, writing and >> style guidelines, guiding and teaching wiki contributors, and editing >> the wiki itself. >> >> Initially, the group could consist of the people most active in >> editing the wiki already. Further recruitment could be based on >> quality and quantity of contributions to the wiki. >> >> Of course the Wiki editors would have a "hall of fame" page on the >> wiki that would describe the tasks that the group do, list the names >> of the editors (and perhaps what period they acted in that role?) and >> so on >> >> Any volunteers now? >> >> Anyway, just an idea. > > This sounds like a good idea. I'm certainly willing to put my time in > to clean things up. I've been doing some of it already when I come > across things that either aren't clear or aren't linked well. > > If we could gather a team of four, maybe five/six, community members, > and devise/discuss a plan to organize and clean up the wiki, and then > get everyone in the mailing lists, IRC, etc to promote and encourage use > > and modifying the wiki, I think it would go a very long way. > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Los Angeles group order is on its way!
Los Angeles order arrived this morning. One box had 10 Freerunners, the second box had a debug board (ordered by one person on the bulk order) and 10 pouches and headsets. -id ian douglas wrote: > I received the UPS notice for order 1843 (bulk order) about 10 minutes > ago and updated the "where's my freerunner?" wiki page. Our ETA is July > 15, with 2nd day air shipping confirmed by UPS. > > -id > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: In the press
ideas for domain names: freerunner.info freeyourphone.com/.org moko.mobi -- a mobi version of the site, browsable on mobile devices like the Freerunner would be awesome, typically just a skin on whichever cms/wiki engine you choose Curtis Vaughan wrote: > Since Ken really liked OpenWRT's Wiki, I looked at it and see they use > MoinMoin. So, I am willing to set up MoinMoin on a server to be used as > an FR community wiki. > If people think it's a good idea then I will set up a website for it and > register it. Perhaps something like mokofanbox.org or whatever. I don't > really care. I can register it and I will make it available to whomever > can administer it. Jay seems to be willing. > Anyhow, if that's what will help us out then just give me the green light > and I'll do that much. If it works out - Great! > > Curtis > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!
For those that follow the devel and commitlog lists, there was a patch submitted by Andy Green @ Openmoko on the 13th suggesting that an increase in voltage to the GPS workings might help. I haven't tried this myself. The note attached said: "GPS internal antenna issue appears to respond positively to cranking RF_3V to 3.6V from 3.0V." Perhaps Torfinn's last Email was right: it may not be an EMC problem but a lack of voltage? -id thomasg wrote: > Hi ppl, > > I write this to community, not to devel or owners because everyone > should know: > _sbeh_, one of the people in #neo1973-germany IRC-channel found the > reason for the GPS problems. > The problem only occurs if a SD card is set in. Doesn't matter if it's > mounted or in use, it just has to sit in the socket. > The TTFF went from no fix at all to TTFF 120 seconds indoor(!!!), and > about 40 seconds outdoor. > Two other people could verify this with about the same results. > We'll do more tests later, but for now we surely know what's causing the > problem (and it seems to be a EMC problem). > > First results show at the same devices, even outdoor, that there is no > fix in over 400 seconds with SD card, the signal seems to be at least 10 > to 20 dB worse (so bad, that most satellites don't even appear). > > Testresults from other people appreciated. > > thomasg > > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Reason for GPS problems found!
Considering you need to remove the battery and SIM to install a microSD card, probably not :o) Olivier Migeot wrote: > Maybe we should only insert the card once the fix is acquired. At > least at times where we want to use both GPS and SD. Not much of a > solution, but it still act as a workaround (provided the GPS is able > to keep the fix once the SD is re-inserted). > > On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Eildert Groeneveld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Yes, TTFF less than 2min with the SD card removed. >> >> E >> >> ___ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community@lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: In the press
Vinc Duran wrote: > As a /user/ I'd really like it if there were always an easy to find > place for what is known to work. There's a LOT of info on the wiki but it can be a little daunting to find the newest "this is what works" kind of information. Is there any way to move the "last edited" marker at the bottom of each wiki page to the *top* of the page where it's more apparent? Searching the wiki for "Freerunner GPS" returns 159 different articles spanning multiple languages, etc. Being able to sort the results by edit date would sure be handy. -id ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Can OM's wiki be used offline?
Maybe we could get someone at OpenMoko to install a plugin for MediaWiki and export the content every night as a cron job on their web server: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DumpHTML ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Can OM's wiki be used offline?
Matt Joyce wrote: > > mokopedia brings the whole wikipedia to your openmoko phone even while > being offline because all articles will reside on an attached microSD card. > http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/mokopedia/ Is this project still being maintained though? The latest tarball and news are from September 2007, and the three forum messages in written in 2008 have gone unanswered. For starters, the tarball should have its files packaged in a subfolder; that's a pretty standard practice. Second, there are no instructions on how to use it either in the 'Docs' section of the project site, or within the tarball itself on how to launch the script or how to configure it, etc. It's bundled as a .cgi Perl script, which leads me to believe it should be run from a web server, not from the Freerunner's command line as an application. Also, anyone testing this package will need: $ opkg install perl-module-encode perl-module-encode-encoding Running the script looks like it's just a web-based front-end for searching a pre-built database, again which there are no instructions for creating. I, like others, agree that a mobile version of the OM wiki would be invaluable. I can't imagine the strain on the wiki server from everyone suddenly doing recursive wget launches ;o) -id ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: incorrect shipment type?
Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote: > On 2008-07-11, Yaroslav Halchenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> we ordered it with 2nd-day air it got shipped Ground, thus instead of 2 >> days we have to expect it in 1 week. > > Don't you overreact? I think a few extra days will not kill you. > I understand you want them ASAP, but it is prob. too late to > change anything now. There's also the matter of being *charged* for 2nd day air shipment and getting ground shipment... and getting the shipping difference refunded. -id ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Keyboard missing forward-slash key
Stroller wrote: > On 14 Jul 2008, at 20:20, ian douglas wrote: >> edit /etc/multitap-pad/im-multipress.conf >> I added / and | to my '1' key. > > looking at /etc/multitap-pad/im-multipress.conf it appears > that both back- and forward-slashes are mapped to KP_0 on the default > factory image. > > However multiple taps to the 0 key do not produce the other > characters I'd expect. ... which is why I added the characters to my '1' key. :o) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Any update on Windows connectivity yet?
One of my bulk order buyers has prompted a question about whether there have been any advances with connecting a Freerunner to a Windows PC? Last I tried mine on an XP laptop, it detected a device but wanted drivers to communicate. Couldn't find anything relevant on a search at openmoko.markmail.org -id ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fast questions (email, GPRS, WiFi...)
Steve / Brenda, Are there any solid instructions yet on getting GPRS data working? -id steve wrote: > Brenda, > >get the instructions for using WIFI on freerunner posted to the wiki. > >Michael assist. > > Steve > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ian douglas > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 4:32 PM > To: List for Openmoko community discussion > Subject: Re: Fast questions (email, GPRS, WiFi...) > > Diego Fernández Durán wrote: >> - Is there any UI to conect using WiFi? and with GPRS? >> - Is network-manager been ported? >> - The NM backend? >> - Anybody is doing an UI for this? > > > I havne't seen any wifi UI applicaiton yet. I SSH'd into my Freerunner, > edited /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf to alter the essid and key, > typed "ifup eth0", then unplugged the USB cable, opened a terminal, ran > "ifconfig usb0 down", opened the browser and navigated just fine. > > After rebooting, it seems that usb0 is auto-activated, and while the Wifi > device is supposedly 'on', it doesn't appear in an "ifconfig" dump ... I ran > "ifconfig down usb0" and "ifup eth0" and it failed to connect to the wifi > using my recently-edited wpa_supplicant.conf file. > > I'm sure somebody is working on an app to automate this, but they'll have to > rearrange the priority of routing traffic in the app so a user can specify > "start up the wifi and use that connect as the default route". > > -id > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New Freerunner, factory image - "Registering..."
Ken Restivo wrote:
>> It is very nice that a terminal app is included on the default image,
>> but I cannot work out how to enter a forward-slash ("/"), so cannot
>> list /var/log and see if there's anything interesting in there. Would
>> I be best advised to set up USB networking and log in via SSH to see
>
> I ran into that immediately. The terminal is unusable without a slash key.
> That tells me that nobody is actually using that terminal app to do anything,
> but rather that it's only been used tethered by USB.
There have been several messages on the list about how to manually
correct this, but I agree, it should be changed for the default build.
edit /etc/multitap-pad/im-multipress.conf
I added / and | to my '1' key.
-id
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Re: warranty issues
Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: > This is Openmoko. If you /don't/ open your Neo, you should probably have > your warranty voided ;-) Wow, second best quote I've ever seen on this list. The first being back in early May... Andy Powell wrote: > Seriously, If everyone put as much effort into development as they do > into bitching and whining this phone would be able to cure cancer by > now. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Ordering and shipping from Koolu in Canada
On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 09:05:00AM -0700, steve wrote: > Loading dock for Trucks. > > A boat from SF to Toronto would be a neat trick. That's what the Panama Canal is for. A bit indirect though. You could also try the North West Passage :-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Los Angeles group order is on its way!
I received the UPS notice for order 1843 (bulk order) about 10 minutes ago and updated the "where's my freerunner?" wiki page. Our ETA is July 15, with 2nd day air shipping confirmed by UPS. -id ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Fast questions (email, GPRS, WiFi...)
Diego Fernández Durán wrote: > - Is there any UI to conect using WiFi? and with GPRS? > - Is network-manager been ported? > - The NM backend? > - Anybody is doing an UI for this? I havne't seen any wifi UI applicaiton yet. I SSH'd into my Freerunner, edited /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf to alter the essid and key, typed "ifup eth0", then unplugged the USB cable, opened a terminal, ran "ifconfig usb0 down", opened the browser and navigated just fine. After rebooting, it seems that usb0 is auto-activated, and while the Wifi device is supposedly 'on', it doesn't appear in an "ifconfig" dump ... I ran "ifconfig down usb0" and "ifup eth0" and it failed to connect to the wifi using my recently-edited wpa_supplicant.conf file. I'm sure somebody is working on an app to automate this, but they'll have to rearrange the priority of routing traffic in the app so a user can specify "start up the wifi and use that connect as the default route". -id ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SanDisk micro SDHC 8GB card under testing
Andrew Bennett wrote: > Journaled file systems perform lots of extra writes to the drive. Flash > drives wear out a little quicker (in terms of writes) than other > drives. Putting the two together means you're probably decreasing the > length of your drive's life. Gotcha, thanks! -id ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SanDisk micro SDHC 8GB card under testing
Federico Lorenzi wrote: > Makes sense, ext3 is journaled, and using a journaling FS on flash > memory is generally a bad idea. Could you also try ext2? Sorry, I'm not up to speed on flash and file systems -- why is a journaled file system a bad idea? I re-ran all of my tests on the new 8GB SanDisk micro SDHC card: I built an 8GB partition, type 'b' (win95 fat32), formatted as 'vfat' done on Ubuntu, then installed in my Freerunner and started up: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/media/card# /opt/iospeed2 testfile 100 Size (MiB) Write (MiB/s) Read (MiB/s) 100 2.038 2.755 Ran fdisk on the Freerunner, changed partition type to '83' (linux), formatted as ext3, re-mounted as /media/card: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/media/card# /opt/iospeed2 testfile 100 Size (MiB) Write (MiB/s) Read (MiB/s) 100 2.046 2.643 Then re-formatted as ext2 and re-mounted as /media/card: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/media/card# /opt/iospeed2 testfile 100 Size (MiB) Write (MiB/s) Read (MiB/s) 100 2.107 2.779 Conclusions: - very little difference writing a 100MB file. - ext3 is slower, on average for reading, while vfat and ext2 are pretty similar. Should I try it again with smaller file sizes? Should I try it again with the various partition/fs types running bonnie++ to see how it benchmarks things too? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA02 final revision?
Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: > Hardware : GTA02 > Revision : 0350 > Serial: I see the same on my GTA02 v5 (beta test model) Freerunner. > But on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware > there's at leas an ATAG_REVISION: 0360 listed. > Which one is the revision for mass production? And are there any > differences between that on and mine? Steve has said a few times that the mass-production model would be GTA02v6 but I don't recall whether he said anything about ATAG results from 'cat cpuinfo'. I think a good question to ask would be: does the 14-day warranty only cover DOA, or does it cover possible problems like getting a v5 Freerunner when you should have received a v6 ? -id ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SanDisk micro SDHC 8GB card under testing
ian douglas wrote: > I'll try Mike's iospeed utility next, but here's a dual-run of the > bonnie++ utility: I should mention too that before running bonnie++ or Mike's utility, that I deleted the FAT32 partition on the 8GB card, created a single primary type-83 Linux partition and formatted it ext3. Since I rarely run Windows at home any more, I didn't see any need to continue to use vfat-formatted memory cards. Mike Montour wrote: > http://members.shaw.ca/mmontour/neo/iospeed is a simple > performance-test program that I wrote (source is "iospeed.c" in the > same directory) Mike, your binary is 420kb ... I'm guessing that you compiled your code with the cross-compiler toolchain? After installing gcc/g++ and stdlib stuff via opkg on the Freerunner, I was able to compile the utility directly on the Freerunner and it came out to only 15kb. Either way, here's my results with the 8GB SDHC card: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/media/card# wget \ http://members.shaw.ca/mmontour/neo/iospeed [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/media/card# chmod +x iospeed [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/media/card# wget \ http://members.shaw.ca/mmontour/neo/iospeed.c [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/media/card# gcc iospeed.c -o iospeed2 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/media/card# ls -l -rwxr-xr-x1 root root 418384 Jul 10 21:08 iospeed -rw-r--r--1 root root 2444 Jul 10 21:08 iospeed.c -rwxr-xr-x1 root root14758 Jul 10 21:19 iospeed2 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/media/card# ./iospeed2 usage: ./iospeed2 I moved the iospeed files to /opt/ so I could compare against the 512MB card that shipped with the Freerunner, and ran Mike's utility three times on the 8GB SDHC card: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/media/card# /opt/iospeed2 testfile 100 Size (MiB) Write (MiB/s) Read (MiB/s) 100 0.776 8.890 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/media/card# /opt/iospeed2 testfile 100 Size (MiB) Write (MiB/s) Read (MiB/s) 100 1.566 9.417 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/media/card# /opt/iospeed2 testfile 100 Size (MiB) Write (MiB/s) Read (MiB/s) 100 1.557 9.396 and once on the unit's own Flash ROM as a comparison: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/media/card# cd /opt [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/volatile/opt# /opt/iospeed2 testfile 50 Size (MiB) Write (MiB/s) Read (MiB/s) 50 1.577 9.530 Then tested /tmp which I guess is a RAM drive considering the speed boost: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/media/card# cd /tmp [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/volatile/tmp# /opt/iospeed2 testfile 50 Size (MiB) Write (MiB/s) Read (MiB/s) 50 28.617 42.786 The 512MB card that came with my Freerunner has some other files on it, and is formatted as vfat/FAT32. I ran the iospeed utility there three times as well: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/media/card# /opt/iospeed2 testfile 100 Size (MiB) Write (MiB/s) Read (MiB/s) 100 2.020 2.739 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/media/card# /opt/iospeed2 testfile 100 Size (MiB) Write (MiB/s) Read (MiB/s) 100 2.187 2.743 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/media/card# /opt/iospeed2 testfile 100 Size (MiB) Write (MiB/s) Read (MiB/s) 100 2.207 2.736 So according to Mike's utility, writing the the 8GB card is slightly faster, but reading is several times slower reading the 512MB card. I was curious if this was a vfat vs ext3 performance hit, so I deleted the partition on the 512MB card, built a primary type 83 partition, formatted it ext3 and re-ran the iospeed tests: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/media/card# /opt/iospeed2 testfile 100 Size (MiB) Write (MiB/s) Read (MiB/s) 100 1.789 2.495 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/media/card# /opt/iospeed2 testfile 100 Size (MiB) Write (MiB/s) Read (MiB/s) 100 1.722 2.505 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/media/card# /opt/iospeed2 testfile 100 Size (MiB) Write (MiB/s) Read (MiB/s) 100 1.786 2.478 So interestingly enough, writes were slower on ext3 than vfat on the 512MB card. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SanDisk micro SDHC 8GB card under testing
Shawn Rutledge wrote: > What about on the GTA01? The biggest I have tried so far is 2 gig > because I wasn't sure if SDHC was working. I sold my GTA01 months ago earlier this year, so I can only test on my GTA02v5. I imagine someone with a v6 Freerunner can do some additional testing. -id ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SanDisk micro SDHC 8GB card under testing
Mike Montour wrote: > you could use something standard like "bonnie++". I'll try Mike's iospeed utility next, but here's a dual-run of the bonnie++ utility: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# bonnie\+\+ -d /media/card -s 256 -r 128 -x2 -u 0 Using uid:0, gid:0. name,file_size,putc,putc_cpu,put_block,put_block_cpu,rewrite,rewrite_cpu,getc,getc_cpu,get_block,get_block_cpu,seeks,seeks_cpu,num_files,seq_create,seq_create_cpu,seq_stat,seq_stat_cpu,seq_del,seq_del_cpu,ran_create,ran_create_cpu,ran_stat,ran_stat_cpu,ran_del,ran_del_cpu Writing with putc()...done Writing intelligently...done Rewriting...done Reading with getc()...done Reading intelligently...done start 'em...done...done...done... Create files in sequential order...done. Stat files in sequential order...done. Delete files in sequential order...done. Create files in random order...done. Stat files in random order...done. Delete files in random order...done. om-gta02,256M,857,92,1872,85,2090,91,1586,93,8986,93,657.0,94,16,257,85,29023,93,299,91,275,91,+,+++,295,90 Writing with putc()...done Writing intelligently...done Rewriting...done Reading with getc()...done Reading intelligently...done start 'em...done...done...done... Create files in sequential order...done. Stat files in sequential order...done. Delete files in sequential order...done. Create files in random order...done. Stat files in random order...done. Delete files in random order...done. om-gta02,256M,856,92,1916,87,2045,89,1583,92,8945,93,655.8,95,16,257,86,29152,92,288,88,272,91,+,+++,294,90 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: SanDisk micro SDHC 8GB card under testing
Steven ** wrote: > That's good news. Hopefully I'll have as good luck with the 8GB card > I just bought. It's A-Data brand. I decided to go with a well-known name brand to start, that was the only reason. Newegg.com had cheaper 8GB micro SDHC cards too. -id ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
SanDisk micro SDHC 8GB card under testing
Hey all, Got my 8GB SanDisk 8GB micro SDHC card [1] in a few minutes ago, popped it into my GTA02v5 (beta tester model) Freerunner and running a few tests on it. So far, so good. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# mount | grep media /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /media/card type vfat (rw,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,codepage=cp437,iocharset=iso8859-1) [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# df -h | grep media /dev/mmcblk0p17.6G 32.0k 7.6G 0% /media/card If anything weird comes up in my testing, I'll let everyone know. -id [1] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820171320 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Order number wiki page
I added a column to indicate bulk orders, and added my order number as well. -id Peter Naulls wrote: > I've started a wiki page recording order numbers vs confirmation emails: > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Where_is_my_Freerunner%3F ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Highest order number shipped? (Was Number of GTA02s ordered)
Daniel Dadap wrote: > Has yours shipped yet? Our 10-pack is order #2267. I wonder how many they > ship a day. Mine is order 1843 and have not yet received a confirmation notice. I was hoping they'd have been in before the weekend so our bulk order group could meet up on Saturday, but I guess that's not going to happen. -id ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
3G sim that does work - Rogers (.ca)
A friend of mine interested in the Freerunner let me try his sim, which he swears is 3G. It worked fine for voice. I only had the stock ASU snapshot, no browser or email client, so we didn't get to test data. This is a Rogers sim, numbered 98303-72040-00917-X UO.2 (where the last 5 digits of the SN were X'd for his security). Hope somebody knows how to read this number and that the info is useful in figuring out which 3G sims work/don't work. Ian Darwin ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Sims
I use a 3G SIM card from AT&T and it works just fine. Scott Derrick wrote: > I'm expecting my FreeRunner soon and was wondering about the Sim card > issue the 1973 version experienced. > > Was it fixed? Can I expect just about any AT&T sim card to work now? > > I was looking on ebay for sim cards and couldn't find any that were in > the "good list" as published here. > > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Carriers/ATT > > Scott > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Signature check failed
Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: > The miss of those was just because I (as always) forgot to setup > resolv.conf (as Ian guessed correctly ;) ) It's simple to automate this: In my /etc/networking/interfaces, for the USB connection, where the "up" command does an echo to resolv.conf, something like this: up echo "nameserver 192.168.0.200" > /etc/resolv.conf I changed it to: up echo "nameserver 208.67.222.222" > /etc/resolv.conf which is a public DNS server for opendns.com. Works great for me, your mileage may vary. -id ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Signature check failed
arne anka wrote: > the miss of Packages.gz is more worrisome, because opkg computes the list > of available packes from it. Would be handy if opkg could detect if a valid DNS connection exists and fail gracefully with a warning like "Cannot resolve buildhost.openmoko.org" instead of taking the time to download each file and failing and reporting several errors. -id ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Signature check failed
The fact that the .gz files didn't download means your /etc/resolv.conf doesn't point to a valid DNS server. The signature files are definitely missing though, and should be corrected. -id Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: > Hi. > > When I update (opkg update) I get the following: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc/opkg# opkg update > Downloading http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/all/Packages.gz > Downloading http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/all/Packages.sig > Signature check failed > Downloading http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/Packages.gz > Downloading http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/Packages.sig > Signature check failed > Downloading http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/neo1973/Packages.gz > Downloading > http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/neo1973/Packages.sig > Signature check failed > Downloading > http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/om-gta02/Packages.gz > Downloading > http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/om-gta02/Packages.sig > Signature check failed > Collected errors: > * Failed to download > http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/all/Packages.gz, error 0 > * Failed to download > http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/all/Packages.sig, error 0 > * Failed to download > http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/Packages.gz, error 0 > * Failed to download > http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/armv4t/Packages.sig, error 0 > * Failed to download > http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/neo1973/Packages.gz, error 0 > * Failed to download > http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/neo1973/Packages.sig, error 0 > * Failed to download > http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/om-gta02/Packages.gz, error 0 > * Failed to download > http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/om-gta02/Packages.sig, error 0 > > > > It seems that this sig files are missing,... > Am I doing something wrong here? > > > Regards, > Chris. > > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: anyone know when the phones are actually shipping within the US?
I got my confirmation within minutes of placing the order and required no prompting. After a quick Email to OM, they said I'd get a follow-up message from UPS when the package actually ships. -id Jon Pomeroy wrote: > Vinc and Ian, > > When did you get email for OM? I ordered Thursday and only received a > confirmation of my order. Nothing about when shipping would start or UPS > notification. Did you have to do any prompting to get this info? > > Thanks, > > -Jon > > On Mon, 2008-07-07 at 09:46 -0700, ian douglas wrote: >> They gave me no estimation on my order (1843) but said I'd get an Email >> from UPS when our package is in transit. >> >> -id >> >> >> Vinc Duran wrote: >>> I got a nice mail from openmoko: >>> >>> Our warehouse in Fremont, CA will be back to work on Monday (7/7) and >>> start shipping process. Your order number should be ready to ship by >>> Tuesday. Thanks. >>> >>> My order number is 1562. If I read a lot into the email I might conclude >>> order counts. I asked about tracking numbers too but no word on that. >>> V >>> >>> On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 11:44 PM, ian douglas <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: >>> >>> Hey all, >>> >>> Does anyone know when the phones are shipping in the US? One source I've >>> read say they'll ship tomorrow, Monday July 7th, but I'm curious if >>> they're shipping in the order they were bought? >>> >>> Will we get a follow-up Email with a shipping/tracking number? >>> >>> I'm trying to schedule a meet-and-geek for the Los Angeles group that >>> coordinated for a bulk purchase, but without any firm expectation of >>> when the phones will be in, it's hard to tell everyone when to show up >>> to get their phones. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Ian Douglas >>> >>> ___ >>> Openmoko community mailing list >>> community@lists.openmoko.org <mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org> >>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Openmoko community mailing list >>> community@lists.openmoko.org >>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> ___ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community@lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Shipping dates
USA shipping is starting today. A message earlier today stated that orders around #1500 should ship Tuesday. I'm order 1843, so I expect my shipment to get out either late Tuesday or some time on Wednesday. -id Matthew Lane wrote: > Does anyone know when the open moko's online store begins shipping? I > don't imagine the US post office has begun working until today (Monday)? > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: anyone know when the phones are actually shipping within the US?
They gave me no estimation on my order (1843) but said I'd get an Email from UPS when our package is in transit. -id Vinc Duran wrote: > I got a nice mail from openmoko: > > Our warehouse in Fremont, CA will be back to work on Monday (7/7) and > start shipping process. Your order number should be ready to ship by > Tuesday. Thanks. > > My order number is 1562. If I read a lot into the email I might conclude > order counts. I asked about tracking numbers too but no word on that. > V > > On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 11:44 PM, ian douglas <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: > > Hey all, > > Does anyone know when the phones are shipping in the US? One source I've > read say they'll ship tomorrow, Monday July 7th, but I'm curious if > they're shipping in the order they were bought? > > Will we get a follow-up Email with a shipping/tracking number? > > I'm trying to schedule a meet-and-geek for the Los Angeles group that > coordinated for a bulk purchase, but without any firm expectation of > when the phones will be in, it's hard to tell everyone when to show up > to get their phones. > > Thanks, > Ian Douglas > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org <mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
