Re: sd card
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 6:54 AM, wrote: > > im using neovento 5.6. im trying to see some pics i have on my sd > card. How do i get it to work. some help please. the sd card is vfat. > Hi blackfalcon1, I am not at all sure about the vfat, as my card in the freerunner is being used for multibooting and I am not feeling like taking it out to try another. However you may like to know that neovento 5.6 contains an imageviewer. It is part of lxde and its name is gpicview. You can find it by searching for that in google. I tried it using the menus and it is very frustrating as the menus have never been set up to fit in the freerunner. What I did is as follows: First i have set up the LXTerminal in a suitable size and saved it; but that may not be necessary, I can just type in the terminal gpicview /mnt/sdcard/L6.jpg which is the only pic I have available, on the sdcard. It shows it at 100%size and there are many icons in the bottom bar which are probably explained if you read google about it. Hope this helps. I have liked neovento for a long time, but lately have done little with it as there is very little help to be had, especially in English. I will get keen again if anyone else is interested. cheers, clare ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v14 unable to send sms???
2009/10/9 Pablo Miño : > No matter if I reply a sms or start a new one, it happens the same. > When I start a new message (or reply a sms) I see a red circle with a > white cross and when I start typing it changes to an orange pentagon > with a white cross inside that is pointing backwards and it actually > deletes a character each time it is pressed. > Hi Pablo, I get this (the pentagon which erases, when entering the screen to make a call, via the phone picture, left most of the 4 on the nearly empty screen which has the lock at the right. It has on a bar at the top :Dialer". But from the dialer screen I get to the messaging from the columns at the right which has a picture of an envelope. press that and get transported to the screen we are talking about. hope this helps, or is yours not like that? clare ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v14 unable to send sms???
On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 5:56 AM, Radek Polak wrote: ? Btw the screen should look like this: > > http://activationrecord.net/radekp/qtmoko/screenshots/keyboard_skin.png yes it did, on the 3rd change of input method, and then as i started to type the red circle with X changed to blue arrow, then it popped up a bar saying send and returned to the red circle then hit the send and it made a place for the number, I hit the word switch which appeared on the lower right of the keyboard and it made a number pad, with useful extras. so could put in the number then it changed to an envelope on the bottom right and that sent it. Earlier a press on the same send bar also sent one, so those both seem to work at that point.. I really like the keyboard ( except perhaps would change the layout of the letters), but the switch feature and Shift are very convenient. Why I said about the layout; I have been using an alphabet layout in Neovento and am getting used to that. thank you, there are a lot of nice features. By the way i found that a press on the power button will enable escape from help. Till then i was in despair. cheers, clare ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtMoko v14 unable to send sms???
On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 2:44 AM, Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: > Hi, > > 2009/10/9 Pablo Miño >> >> No matter if I reply a sms or start a new one, it happens the same. > I have my image installed on a partition on a SD card, installed from the > tar.gz file. > -- Hi, I am trying the tar.gz version and get the same result as Torfinn. have done little more yet, clare ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [neovento-5.6] Modifying the keyboard
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 12:42 AM, neove...@freerunner wrote: > > ok thanks, found it: > > http://cgit.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/tree/recipes/matchbox-keyboard/files Hi Neovento; All seems rather quiet - is everyone on Summer holiday? I did not succeed in finding how to make the Neovento from Debian; I am still hoping to put it on my GTA01. Also I am looking forward to getting a current Neovento for the SD card rather than flashing it. Looking forward even more to learning how to set it up from the source scripts. I tried getting files from opensvn.csie.org/fyp/data/ but only a couple are there. Hoping to see the new keyboard with all the patches. Mine has an odd bug in two of its keys; is anyone interested in that? Hoping to see it made transparent like the one recently announced called Literki, but the picture of that has vanished it seems. There are opther little problems, the time; because it seems to overwrite /etc/localtime with the time file for Lord Howe island after it registers GSM. So can we hope to see a new version anytime soon? thank you, clare ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Freerunner's Future
On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Werner Almesberger wrote: > The good thing about a new start is that you can stop fighting the > mistakes of the past and turn your full attention towards making > new ones ;-) > > - Werner Lovely, made me laugh which was needed after all that. I will get started on it right now, cheers, clare ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[neovento-5.6] Modifying the keyboard
Hi; I am finding a lot of improvements in this latest version; and I have not been able to try a lot of them, due to lack of time. however I have changed the keyboard (attached). The main reason was that some keys were not there. Especially some that I needed. e.g. backslash I now have on it all the keys on my normal keyboard I think. I have tried to arrange them with some logic, mainly that on the "123" page are most of the things I want to write on the computer terminal. The third collection is not well arranged and has plenty of empty slots. I think the european language characters and some others will fit well there. I have found a few. the sources I am using for characters are: http://www.webmonkey.com/reference/Special_Characters and http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/sgml/entities.html#h-24.2.1 Does anyone know how I could make a "numbers lock" which would keep the "123" page in place while it was being used? It is possible, but annoying to have to hit "123" before every number. I hoped to put that function just above the "123" key. thank you, clare ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Solar charger (was Re: News Openmoko Shop Pulster)
On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Peter Harrison wrote: > I thought I would provide some of my experience with using solar > power. My experience involves using a 12v panel. You can get 12v Hi folks, Another source for our part of the world is jaycar.com.auyou can select "batteries and chargers/chargers" and find a solar panel car charger. Also dc-dc converter many kinds, with prices. cheers, clare > panels from all kinds of places. In order to step down 12v to the > required 5v you will need an efficient dc converter: > http://us.100y.com.tw/PNoInfo/21207.htm > > Do NOT use a 5v regulator as you will dump half the power directly > into the regulator as heat. That is not only a waste of power but > potentially a fire risk. From there you can get a connector to the NEO > USB and simply wire in the power. I actually had a PhidgetServo board > and wired the power directly into it. To get my NEO to charge I had to > turn on the external charging and set to 500ma. > > The point here is that you will need 5v x 500ma = 2.5W in order to > supply that kind of juice. This power is only available in full > exposure. It also does not account for any conversion loss. I > recommend using a 5W panel. Obviously if you can get a 6v or 5v panel > you could use a basic regulator without much trouble. > > This is not a kind of panel you can carry around easily. Some > 'chargers' on the market have such low surface area they have no > realistic chance of supplying the kind of juice required for charging > in a realistic time frame. > > Here is panel I'm using: > http://www.dse.co.nz/dse.shop/4a21d7f801e681262741c0a87f3b06ee/Product/View/O3345 > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Neovento-5.4] angle brackets I have, but apt-get did not.
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 7:52 AM, clare johnstone wrote: > Really do need pointer to source in use please. clare Never mind, I will find it. This is where I go away for a while, but I will be back, please keep up the good work. thank you, clare ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Neovento-5.4] angle brackets I have, but apt-get did not.
hi Folks, Please excuse short reply. This comes to you via GPRS, on the train. Igot the new version 5.6 but some doubts. I must recheck. Really do need pointer to source in use please. clare On 5/26/09, clare johnstone wrote: > On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 11:07 PM, clare johnstone > wrote: >> Hi Arne, >> >> On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 10:41 PM, arne anka >> wrote: >>>> BUT I have struck a problem, I can't do apt-get >>>> it says: >>> >>> what's the command you use? >> apt-get install less >> >> but wget has the problem so it must be something basic. no proxy. >> > > Hello again > > That was yesterday; I left it running and this morning turned on gprs > and unplugged the usb and did "apt-get install less" and it got it and > installed it. > but reverting to usb with gprs off I tried "apt-get update" and got > the same failure "Err http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org unstable > Release.gpg > Temporary failure resolving 'pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org'" > > and while I was writing that there are 2 new mails - from Arne and > reznor. Thank you both. i will try the later release before going any > further and it will be tonight as I need to leave for work soon. As > to the brackets being in already, that is a worry, I didn't see them > tho I hoped they might be there. So it is the usb via the PC that I > need to look at. If I get a chance I will try at work, but I have > never done it there. more later, thank you, clare > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Neovento-5.4] angle brackets I have, but apt-get did not.
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 11:07 PM, clare johnstone wrote: > Hi Arne, > > On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 10:41 PM, arne anka wrote: >>> BUT I have struck a problem, I can't do apt-get >>> it says: >> >> what's the command you use? > apt-get install less > > but wget has the problem so it must be something basic. no proxy. > Hello again That was yesterday; I left it running and this morning turned on gprs and unplugged the usb and did "apt-get install less" and it got it and installed it. but reverting to usb with gprs off I tried "apt-get update" and got the same failure "Err http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org unstable Release.gpg Temporary failure resolving 'pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org'" and while I was writing that there are 2 new mails - from Arne and reznor. Thank you both. i will try the later release before going any further and it will be tonight as I need to leave for work soon. As to the brackets being in already, that is a worry, I didn't see them tho I hoped they might be there. So it is the usb via the PC that I need to look at. If I get a chance I will try at work, but I have never done it there. more later, thank you, clare ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Neovento-5.4] angle brackets I have, but apt-get did not.
Hi Arne, On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 10:41 PM, arne anka wrote: >> BUT I have struck a problem, I can't do apt-get >> it says: > > what's the command you use? apt-get install less but wget has the problem so it must be something basic. no proxy. debian-gta02:/var/cache/apt/archives# wget http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/pool/ma in/l/less/less_429-2_armel.deb --2009-05-25 22:57:16-- http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/less/less_429 -2_armel.deb Resolving ftp2.de.debian.org... failed: Temporary failure in name resolution. wget: unable to resolve host address `ftp2.de.debian.org' debian-gta02:/var/cache/apt/archives# ping -c2 ftp2.de.debian.org PING ftp2.de.debian.org (195.71.9.196): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 195.71.9.196: icmp_seq=0 ttl=44 time=399.818 ms seems to me it is not even trying? but why? thanks, clare ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[Neovento-5.4] angle brackets I have, but apt-get did not.
Hi, am now starting on version 5.4, a bit late... I have found how to fix the keyboard to do the angle brackets: editing .matchbox/keyboard.xml and under G I put So obvious when you once see it - being xml. BUT I have struck a problem, I can't do apt-get it says: Temporary failure resolving 'ftp2.de.debian.org' Failed to fetch http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/less/less_429-2_armel.deb Temporary failure resolving 'ftp2.de.debian.org' but it is not a resolving problem as ping can get there. debian-gta02:/etc# ping -c2 ftp2.de.debian.org PING ftp2.de.debian.org (195.71.9.196): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 195.71.9.196: icmp_seq=0 ttl=44 time=399.997 ms 64 bytes from 195.71.9.196: icmp_seq=1 ttl=44 time=407.846 ms --- ftp2.de.debian.org ping statistics --- 2 packets transmitted, 2 packets received, 0% packet loss Any thoughts - where do I start on that problem? more another day, thanks clare ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: (Neovento) gprs ui bug
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 6:45 PM, reznor wrote: > > What you do is simple: > nano /usr/bin/gprsui > strg+w "search for 20" > change 20 to 25 or more. > > Ill generate a new image 5.4 with some changes including this soon I think. Yes Please. While you are doing that, would you make some comments showing how we can put it together from Source? I have hopes of writing some documentation for it, and to install such parts of it as are suitable onto my GTA01. If you can't do it all at once, any comments about things we can play with such as the above, are very welcome. Thank you, clare ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [neovento] nand space workaround?
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 1:10 AM, Staley, Daniel L wrote: > I recently installed neovento, and I like what has been done! > > However, because I flashed the neovento image to the nand, I am running > pretty low on space for installing new packages (And with the debian repos > open to me...it is surely quick to fill!) > My initial idea was to copy my /usr to the uSD card and then just mount it on > boot. I also looked at the mhddfs package (seems pretty neatnot sure if > it would work well here or not) > > But then i wondered if there was an easier waysurely someone has run into > this already? What other ways have people got around the internal nand size > limitation? > (Besides just installing the whole thing on the uSD card) Hi Daniel, What I did was make a directory on /mnt/sdcard which neovento has already mounted it is the first partition on the card, named it cache and then set up directories under it to match those in /var/cache then change /var/cache to /var/was-cache (a habit I keep originals) then sit in /var and ln -s /mnt/sdcard/cache I had actually done it before and had a good collection of debs downloaded earlier, and after setting it up like that again i did an apt-get update and then installed a couple of things especially less and apt-utils and man-db, it got the debs out of the cache - very satisfactory. cheers, clare > > Also, does anyone have experience with mhddfs and could comment on if it > would work welll here? > > Thanks, > -Dan Staley > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [neovento] nand space workaround?
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 12:21 AM, Joel Newkirk wrote: > On Wed, 13 May 2009 13:10:03 -0400 > "Staley, Daniel L" wrote: > >> I recently installed neovento, and I like what has been done! >> >> However, because I flashed the neovento image to the nand, I am >> running pretty low on space for installing new packages (And with the >> debian repos open to me...it is surely quick to fill!) My initial Hi, it has apt-get. I cant do it just now but previously, as it already has mounted the first partition of the sdcard as /mnt/sdcard, I put just the cache part of /etc/apt on the card and it then wrote lots of things there quite happily. I hope it is as easy to do on this new version. I will try tonight. clare ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Neovento-5.3] a quick try - lovely
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 12:30 AM, reznor wrote: > > So you mean the window borders are to small for resizing. That's true. > I don't know if LXDE will make it into the next release or if it will be > Qalee already.^^ > But I'll remember that. Of course you can change the themes by yourself. > There are already some with thicker borders besides clearlooks. No , what I was trying to do was shorten the xterm using the menu from the xterm picture in its top line. the resize in that brings up a little picture like several corners sitting together. When moved it writes the xterm size and changes the size. But it is too close to the top bar and all happens very quickly. However since I found the short keyboard, the standard xterm fits below it without need to shorten the xterm. Note when it was in use in the previous version (3.18) the keyboard was not so short. This morning in the train, I was able to get the GPRS working, and thus try Woosh and read the BBC news. This I have always wanted. As my SIM card is GPRS and not GSM (except enough to get the GPRS) I have not yet tried sound. I did see earlier version had a bug against sound. I have other SIMS but none of them does both GPRS and GSM, except "3" which won't work in the openmoko. It is not all the SIMS that is the nuisance it is the battery chargers. When i got the GPRS the time changed back from WST to LHST so somehow it is getting time from the supplier and then resetting it. LHST is 2.5 hours ahead of WST, I can work it out, but in Europe - 10.5 hours ahead of UTC. more later, thank you, clare > > > clare johnstone wrote: >> >>> The keyboard resize - please could it be made not quite so hairtrigger >> sorry I meant the Xterm resize >> >> clare >> >> ___ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community@lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> >> > > -- > View this message in context: > http://n2.nabble.com/-Neovento-5.3--a-quick-try---lovely-tp2887340p2887466.html > Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Neovento-5.3] a quick try - lovely
> The keyboard resize - please could it be made not quite so hairtrigger sorry I meant the Xterm resize clare ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[Neovento-5.3] a quick try - lovely
Hi all, and author particularly; The things I liked - the console font made more readable - and then it got hidden by a pretty picture - how do I change that so I can read the messages? The black icon for brightness, The screen locker, very neat, After locking it stayed bright but a quick press of POW suspended it (it said that anyway) and a later quick press recovered to usable. The keyboard, interesting. This time I was able to change the keyboard by putting a new one at .matchbox/keyboard.xml . Wonderful. and even more wonderful, I replaced it with a copy of the one in the previous version, and it came out shorter. So I was able to make the xterm 24 lines long instead of 13. I have not yet looked at them to see how that sizing is done but it will be obvious I expect. The keyboard resize - please could it be made not quite so hairtrigger in use? and could it come up lower on the screen? because I was finding that to reduce the number of lines needed several tries. Even better please tell me how to set the initial size of the keyboard. (Although I now find I dont really need to do that, with the shorter keyboard the current one fits.) Not quite so good was the Menu item Accessories/keyboard. It got me a keyboard, but I couldn't get rid of it, and pressing AUX which is what I usually do for on and off keyboard looked like it got another one on top of it but both now permanent. - reboot. The change on the keyboard I really wanted was to replace something, (and there are several possibles) with open and close angle brackets. My first try a failure, the keyboard won't start, even using a 3 character symbol already in use instead of the real anglebracket one. The time. Based on previous I have saved localtime file and linked localtime to /usr/share/zoneinfo/Australia/Perth. That got me WST time. good. AND it survived reboot. much better - I have been wondering who wanted the time on Lord Howe Island... But on another reboot (and I don't know what was different) I am back on Lord Howe - and it is the problem I had in the previous version, localtime has been overwitten and with it the file /usr/share/zoneinfo/Australia/Perth. I am now keeping a copy of that on /mnt/sdcard for immediate use until the problem is fixed. more later, no time now - Thanks very much it is really exciting; ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [neovento] nand space workaround?
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 3:54 AM, neovento wrote: > > What's the reason not to just copy it completely on the µsd ? > > There will be a tar.gz rootfs soon. Good!, thank you. clare - who thinks Neovento the best she has tried, and that was the previous version :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: (FYP) No input method?
On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 6:15 PM, Paul wrote: > > I loaded FYP on my Freerunner, and I am rather impressed with what I saw. Hi Paul, Yes, it is very interesting; It has inspired me to start a webpage where I am putting some help files for simple-minded folk like myself. I hope to add more to it as I learn more about the FYP.I like it the best of the many images i have tried, but there is a long way to go with the many settings available. Also the phone part is not yet going for me. There is a pinball game which I suppose uses the accelerometers and is the first to have tempted me in many years. I couldn't turn it off; I did try the wifi, and it picked up my network's name, I have no more time now; but others please try this and perhaps the authors will make a newer one. http://home.exetel.com.au/claregj clare ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: how do i turn the phone off?
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 7:44 AM, wrote: > clare johnstone wrote: >> On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 1:34 AM, wrote: >>> clare johnstone wrote: >> ... >>>> I do however, especially with the GTA01, always remove the battery at >>>> this stage, >>>> and only replace it when I want to restart. >>> Just hold in the aux button when you insert the battery. > > Confident? well I've done it more than 100 times ;) Thanks, I will use that method. ... I'm just one of > the lucky ones that still has their case clips intact, otherwise 'remove > cover' may not necessarily be a prerequisite :) Yes, the instructions for removing the cover really frightened me. So I experimented with a knife inserted in the slot and then swiped along the crack and it worked well. I can now do it easily with a fingernail always inserted at the same place just below the Power button, and never need to endanger the clips as the cover once loose lifts away. The cover has not worked loose, (and my fingernails are delicate). The insertion point shows no sign of damage on the black one and if I look very hard a tiny bit on the orange one. The latter has been done countless times due to above need for frequent battery removal. clare ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: how do i turn the phone off?
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 1:34 AM, wrote: > clare johnstone wrote: ... >> I do however, especially with the GTA01, always remove the battery at >> this stage, >> and only replace it when I want to restart. > > Just hold in the aux button when you insert the battery. > > Sarton Oh! what makes you say that? and with such confidence too :) clare ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: how do i turn the phone off?
On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 3:41 AM, The Digital Pioneer wrote: > Yes, mine does to. But you cannot deny that, with exception to the case of > another power source, the phone DID indeed turn off. :) No, Sorry the mail went before I finished, but I am glad someone else gets the same. I do however, especially with the GTA01, always remove the battery at this stage, and only replace it when I want to restart. cheers, clare > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: how do i turn the phone off?
On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 8:37 PM, The Digital Pioneer wrote: > Universal phone shutdown instructions (works on any distro): > 1. Remove back panel > 2. Remove battery > 3. Replace battery Not on my Freerunner, this almost invariably provokes it to restart. Possibly the Qi booting does it. > 4. Replace back panel > Done! > > > //Forgive me, I couldn't help myself. ;) > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Back to the Basics plan: Andy left
Michele and others you could try reading what Andy said here: fromAndy Greenhide details Mar 23 (17 hours ago) to Nicolas Dufresne cc openmoko-ker...@lists.openmoko.org dateMar 23, 2009 1:32 PM subject Re: [PATCH] Forced shutdown for / Andy mailed-by lists.openmoko.org regards, clare On 3/24/09, Michele Renda wrote: > On 24/03/2009 03:44, Laszlo KREKACS wrote: > > The best would be just hire back those valueable people, and work out how > > they want to work. Even if they want to form a new (software) company, to > > make sure this situation will never happen again. > > > > Hello, > who told you that he was fired from Openmoko? May be simply he wanted to > move to another company. > In every case I think is better to stop to speak until we receive a > official announce (from OM or from Andy). > > > Michele Renda > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qt Extended 4.4.2 SDK Build Instructions
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Filip Onkelinx wrote: > Hi, > > I'm using my own QtExtended image, based on : > > QtExtended 4.4.3 snapshot (13 Feb 2009 version) > Kernel 2.6.28 > Based on Hackable1 (debian based rootfs, giving me easy access to all > commandline tools. It is also possible to 'switch' between Qt & X. > running from µ-SD Very good news, I hope this means that you will make available images for an SD card; Thanking you, clare ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] Why is the Powerbutton sometimes red and sometimes blue while loading
On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 7:07 PM, Steffen Winkler wrote: > oh, sorry...thought that it is the same in english. > > It means "rechargeable battery" > Am Samstag, den 07.02.2009, 13:00 -0600 schrieb The Digital Pioneer: >> Sorry, but what is 'akku'? It meant the same in English when I was a schoolchild (in Australia) for a car battery, then the only rechargeable kind? but have not heard it used for more years than I will admit. clare ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Android] on SD card
Radek thank you very much for this post. I was able to try the Android; very interesting. Having the SD card version was a great help. I like the real clock faces especially. I will try your further suggestions if I get some spare time, by then it may all be different.. Good wishes for New Year, clare On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Radek Polak wrote: > Hi, > i have android booting from SD card. It wasn't that hard to make it work. > > You will need SD with one ext3 partition. Download and unpack tarball from > here [1] and boot with Qi [2]. First boot take quite a lot of time. Then it > will be faster. > > You can also compile from sources [3] and put the rootfs together yourself. > You just have to put together what is in out/target/product/freerunner > directory and add kernel (either the Sean's [4] or andy tracking[5]). I have > attached my script which does this [6]. Last this is to modify init.rc file > so that it mounts SD card, you can find it attached or here [7]. > > While Android boots or later you can attach to it with adb like this: > > ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 > adb kill-server > adb shell > adb logcat > > I hope this helps us with killing bugs that Android on FR currently has > (suspend, power off, GSM crashes, ...) > > Cheers > > Radek > > [1] http://activationrecord.net/radekp/openmoko/android/rootfs.tar.gz > [2] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qi > [3] http://git.koolu.org/ > [4] http://people.openmoko.org/sean_mcneil/ > [5] http://people.openmoko.org/andy/ > [6] http://activationrecord.net/radekp/openmoko/android/mk_rootfs.sh > [7] http://activationrecord.net/radekp/openmoko/android/init.rc > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 12:38 PM, William Kenworthy wrote: > Australia: > > Mobiles: 04nn nnn nnn (mobiles all *seem* to be prefixed as 04 - may or > may not be true The zero seems to be like the zero on an area code, - is omitted when the country prefix is used. > + is usually only seen with international numbers. e.g. > +61 (9) is the same as "0011 61 9 " > (International call, Australia, Western Australia, local number) Well he did say "international", and I do think Australians are getting used to the idea of what "country codes" are for and how to dial the numbers. cheers, clare ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Version 2 -- New community distribution hackable1
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 2:22 PM, Didier Raboud wrote: >> Marcus Bauer wrote: >>> fully in the spirit of "release early, release often" we want to > * This is not a judgment of quality of the given distribution. > * I don't think that multiplying the _distributions_ is doing any good to > the OpenMoko ecosystem as whole. Well using that analogy, it is known as evolution, and survival of the fittest. To me it seems the quickest way of finding the features that prove themselves to be most popular; rather than those that get approval from a few people in positions of power. If those few are off-beam, the whole project could fail. So I welcome the diversity. clare ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: No more optimization team
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 2:11 AM, Steve Mosher wrote: > Thanks david, > > One of the difficulties is CND. cannot duplicate which complicates > finding the root cause. If you can generate logs that will probably help. > > Steve Perhaps say what should be run in the phone and what to do to generate the particular log you want and then I could do it too.. my phone after all can be relied upon to show its #1024.. thank you clare > > David Garabana Barro wrote: >> On Thursday 11 December 2008 02:23:14 Steve Mosher wrote: >>> RE 1024. >>> >>> The optimization team was not working on 1024. there is one >>> dedicated engineer working on 1024 who specializes in this area. There >>> is some understanding but not certainty on the root cause which may be >>> related to the base station rather than the phone. I don't intend to >>> distract the engineer assigned this task by asking him "is it done yet?" >>> But I >>> do want to assure folks that there is a dedicated smart as heck person >>> on the problem. More later. >> >> Good news, then >> >> If you need some type of help on debugging (e.g. trying possible solutions >> and/or generating logs) count on me. I suffer this bug even with patch >> applied. >> >> It only works for me if I force calypso to *never* deep sleep. >> >> Thank you very much!! > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: working SIM install, network problems
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 7:24 AM, Rodney Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Debian stable, and neorunner > > I have a semi-functioning Neo right now, thanks to the Hackable:1 folkes > (http://www.hackable1.org/) > > I have changed all instances, that I find, from 192.168.0.* to 192.168.1.*, > for my lan. > > I've followed this wiki page for networking debian; > > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Debian.2C_Ubuntu_and_others > > also changing the 192.168.0.* address'. > Hello Rodney, I really hesitate to say anything, being overcome with admiration of anyone who can follow that wiki page that you quote. It looks far too complex for normal humans and far too automated for someone who is just starting. If you dont agree with that then best to ignore what I have to say. I have tried many images. One of the first things that becomes obvious is that attempts to change the mind of the Neo to use other than the network 192.168.0 will lead to serious frustration. So I accept that. My home network is equally determined to be 192.168.2 When I want to comunicate from my PC to the Neo via the USB, I join them with the USB cable and on the PC run this little script ( as root) #!/bin/sh /sbin/ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 /sbin/route add -host 192.168.0.202/32 dev usb0 Then I run this one #!/bin/sh /bin/echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward iptables -F iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.0.202 -i usb0 -d 192.168.0.200 -j ACCEPT iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.0.200 -i eth+ -d 192.168.0.202 -j ACCEPT iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.2.0/24 -i eth+ -d 192.168.0.202 -j ACCEPT iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.2.0/24 -i eth+ -d 192.168.2.0/24 -j ACCEPT iptables -A FORWARD -s 192.168.0.202 -i usb0 -d 192.168.2.0/24 -o eth+ -j ACCEPT iptables -A FORWARD -s 192.168.2.0/24 -i eth+ -d 192.168.0.202 -o usb0 -j ACCEPT iptables -A OUTPUT -d 192.168.2.0/24 -o eth+ -j ACCEPT iptables -A OUTPUT -d 192.168.0.202 -o usb0 -j ACCEPT iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24 At this stage I can do ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Normally it will argue and I have to edit the file ~/.ssh/known hosts by removing the line it is objecting to. It will then agree to the ssh. Most people automate that process to avoid the editing etc but that is a matter of taste only. Once you have things going without trouble you can automate a lot of things. good luck, clare ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [QtExtended] Best 4.4.2 image?
On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 8:55 PM, Alishams Hassam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have been using qtextended with mwester's kernel as a daily phone. > Using even the "unstable" kernel, ontop of daily phone features (making > and receiving calls, txt msgs, caller id, contacts off sim) it also > suspends/resumes perfect, can play mp3's with the media player (using > the headphones as well), and transfer files to the SD card. Should you > have any problems, you can always switch to the "stable" kernel. > http://moko.mwester.net/dl.html is where you will find the kernels. The > only issue I have had is a missing terminal shortcut when I used the > binary update for 4.4.1 to 4.4.2. Since you're not doing that, it should > be fine :) Hi, I did that, but if while it was still 4.4.1 I got the terminal and hit options at the right stage it will save the terminal into "Favorites". Then when it has been binary updated to version 4.4.2 the terminal is still in Favorites and can be used. clare ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: QtExtended 4.4.2 Changes?
On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 4:30 AM, Lorn Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat November 1 2008 2:55:36 am Pander wrote: >> I've just tried 4.4.2 with mwester's kernel and it gets losts in an >> infinite pile of 'blah blah Magic bitmask blah blah' so going back to >> 4.4.1. >> >> Does anyone else got it working properly or the same problems? > > I forgot to add mwesters file system changes to this image. > Hi Lorn, Thanks very much for that note. Please will you be remaking it soon? When you do please advise which kernel should be used with it. If possible please add a link to say which toolchain and which source we can use to get in sync with the current images. thank you very much, regards, clare ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: One more rotate version
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 2:56 PM, Thomas des Courières <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Do you know http://www.assembla.com/ ? > they provide for free trac, subversion, and team managing facilities. > And they don't are affiliated with big brother ... > Beware: http://blog.assembla.com/assemblablog/tabid/12618/bid/7019/New-subscription-plans-Clarification-and-even-better-pricing.aspx clare ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO milestone3 my view (ON gta01)
On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Fredrik Wendt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi. > > I hope I'm not the only one that think Zhone looks really nice (apart > from the default background). Although it's just a temporary UI, put > there to take advantage of the framework, I'm gonna miss it - it's > simply beautiful. > > / Fredrik +1 clare ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: caught again by the 2007.2 dialler
And I thought I had a problem on FSO Milestone 2 because of unable to send numbers back to Voicemail - but I did have a "hangup" button :) And I *was* fascinated to get Voicemail... still hoping... clare On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 11:34 AM, William Kenworthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just got caught again by the 2007.2 dialler - on voicemail I was > expected to hit keys to delete messages etc, but the display is blank. > it wasnt even possible to hang up - I ended up pulling the battery! Now > I have to go find another phone to put the sim into to sort out the > voicemail. > > Is there a solution? > > BillK > > > -- > William Kenworthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Home in Perth! > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Swap Space was Re: Partitioning 4GB with the Debian Installer
On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 5:02 AM, Joachim Breitner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > Actually, the install.sh should be able to handle that as well, at least > theoretically. What problems did you have? > > Greetings, > Joachim When the installer partitions the disk, why does it not supply a swap partition? Is it needed or not needed by Debian? thanks clare ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official
On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 2:13 PM, Joachim Breitner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, . > Illume needs the latest enlightment libraries, so we can package it as > soon as the next e snapshot enters Debian. This will happen after the > CVS→SVN change of e, AFAIK. > > Until then, you can use the AUX button to fire up a keyboard and then > press Alt-Ctrl-X to get an xterm and Alt-Tab to switch between > application. This is all a Debian user needs, right :-) And then there will be a Window manager? and the above quick and easy system will be gone?? I suppose it is a waste of the Aux button, but compared with Debian startup on the GTA01 it is a wonderful new world. clare (who really likes the simple and primitive - and fast) > > Greetings, > Joachim > > -- > Joachim "nomeata" Breitner > Debian Developer > [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C > JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official
On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 1:02 AM, arne anka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Until then, you can use the AUX button to fire up a keyboard and then >> press Alt-Ctrl-X to get an xterm and Alt-Tab to switch between >> application. This is all a Debian user needs, right :-) > > as long as the keyboard is fully functional ... It is beautiful, simply highlights what you press. doesn't jump it up, predict or otherwise interfere with your typing. PLEASE do not try to "improve" it . clare ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian on the FreeRunner -- now official
The problem is in FSO ( see Michael's post re evas.) The workaround is to precede the number with a few backspaces clare On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 2:06 PM, Risto H. Kurppa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 3:29 PM, Rorschach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 22:16:58 +1000 >> Matt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> I have a similar problem running Debain FSO, but in the dialer. >>> The first number does not appear until I press the second. >>> The symptom is reversed when I delete number. thatis, the fist and >>> second numbers entered are deleted at the same time. >> >> Yes, exactly the same thing happens for me! > > I have a variation of this at least when I first tried Debian: PIN was > ok but when I started writing the phone number (044..), when I pressed > the first 0, I got two. When I pressed backspace, it removed both. > Other numbers were ok. > > r > > > -- > | risto h. kurppa > | risto at kurppa dot fi > | http://risto.kurppa.fi > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko Om 2008.8 Release
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Jay Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: (re GTA01) >> I'd be fine with a tar.gz - image to put on SD-card. So > I like the idea too .. and I'm perfectly content with booting my > neo1973 from SD card .. +1 clare ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FSO and GSM instability
Yes, I have a GTA01 and GTA02 both running FSO-M2. Each one has a SIM card. The GTA01 has its blue bar steadily on. The GTA02 the bar is off more than on.Sometimes it briefly says "No Service". I have fiddled with it and taken some notes but it is quite erratic. and even if I succeed in ringing it the call drops out. Neither phone answers a call till it has gone through a complex startup. while doing 1234 frequently as it goes into withdrawal very quickly, it is necessary to press the phone icon, get the keyboard, press the X on the keyboard which gets the 4 icons back press the phone icon. at that point the bar goes blue and it changes from "zhone" to "Vodafone AU." Neither is doing well at initiating a call either. GTA02 I managed to hear hello once from the other phone then nothing. I can look inside via ssh if I knew what to look for. clare On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 8:47 PM, Fredrik Wendt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008-08-07 22:38 -0700, C R McClenaghan: >> [gprs part cut out] >> does anyone else experience gsm instability with FSO MS2? >> >> Chris > > Yes, though I have yet to do some basic testing/debugging to see when > and how I get disconnected. But basically I see that the blue bar below > the network's name/id turns black every now and then, even when there's > nothing running. > > I'm waiting for Mickey's updates to frameworkd that he'll hopefully > upload this weekend. > > If I can find a pattern or just anything that's reproducible I'll post a > bug. > > I have not used ASU or any other distribution long enough to see if it's > worse or better with FSO. > > / Fredrik Wendt > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 3G (USIM) card different on FSO
On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 11:12 PM, Daniel Willmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Clare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> GTA02/ SIM/ FSO ver 2 : does not see card. & "no dbus" > > just a hinch, but was that your first boot after flashing the device? > We have some strange race conditions probably caused by the configure > scripts that OE runs on first boot resulting in frameworkd not starting > or other weirdness. > The "no dbus" should never appear if zhone actually got to talk to > frameworkd. Thank you Daniel, Indeed I never saw "no dbus" this time. I used GTA02 and FSO of 20080729, "Vodafone AU" SIM and "Three AU" USIM. Both cards were a bit erratic getting signal but were consistent when they did. The SIM reported Vodafone AU and coloured its bar blue. In addition, I managed to make it ring a number successfully. The weirdness in the keyboard is consistent if I precede typing a number with several backspaces. The first digit pressed will not show, pressing the second will show both. Pressing backspace will delete both. However instead of pressing backspace keep going and the final series is good to connect. cheers, clare the remainder can then be typed and the number will connect. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 3G (USIM) card different on FSO
On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 11:12 PM, Daniel Willmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> GTA02 and GTA01 see USIM but not SIM using FSO Milestone 2 >> >> just a hinch, but was that your first boot after flashing the device? Possibly as I was changing it a lot. I will recheck tonight. regards, clare ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
3G (USIM) card different on FSO
Dear all, GTA02 and GTA01 see USIM but not SIM using FSO Milestone 2 Here is a summary, The USIM card is a "Three" prepaid for an A925, The SIM is a Vodafone. Both Australian. motorola/ USIM ok motorola/ SIM "SOS only" (implies that emergency calls could be made) GTA02/ USIM/ FSO ver 2 or ver 1: sees card "SOS only", dialer weird. GTA02/ SIM/ FSO ver 2 : does not see card. & "no dbus" GTA02/ USIM/ 20080803"devel" : does not register, "No Network" GTA02/ SIM/ 20080803"devel": makes usable calls GTA01/ USIM/ FSO ver 2: sees card "SOS only", dialer weird GTA01/ SIM/ FSO ver 2 : does not see card & "no dbus" GTA01/ SIM/ most images: works "normally" , usable calls Related threads: GSM detection/identification (community list) FSO and dbus (devel list) GPRS for FSO Milestone 2(community list) Eagerly awaiting next FSO, clare ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: trying to buy a freerunner in taipei?
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 1:17 AM, tony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Joerg, > > Thanks for letting us know that the management staff is trying to think of > this. > > We (at least I do) understand that infrastructure is an issue. Sounds to me as though you need an intermediary, Can you find a retail company in Taipei who would deal with Fic? Fic seem to have infrastructure for that, for example resellers in Gemany. clare ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: clarification: images vs upgrade
Yes, just installing a new version should get the latest, and be quicker. Later when you have installed things not in the standard install, and possibly put them on the SD card where there is more space, you may need to do upgrade, and possibly would choose to do both. I am not sure if there is a basic part of the install that is not part of an upgrade and only gets altered with a new version. If there is I would like to know how to recognise it. = Anyone? clare On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 1:54 PM, arne anka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > i still try to figure out whether i need to flash or update && upgrade > does the same for me. > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: clarification: images vs upgrade
Hi Arne, The analogy with Debian would be - When you first install, kernel files named vmlinuz are put in /boot and are grabbed by grub (installed for you usually) to load the kernel.. here the file named uImage is a kernel and is put in section 3 (called kernel) of the NAND. and is loaded by the u-boot file which is in section 1 of the NAND. (one you don't change except with extreme care.) The file name rootfs is the whole of the rest of the operating system (including basic packages) and is put in section 5 (rootfs) Later when you want to add things and use apt-get that is analogous to the opkg update and opkg upgrade, where you load in new packages. hope this helps clare On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 10:18 PM, arne anka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > hi, > while browsing the device-owners list, my uncertainity regarding the > images only grew. > there's uImage and there's root-image. how are the to describe in terms of > desktop distributions (uImage writes bootloader, root-image copies an > image to harddisk like knoppix does?)? > and how does doing opkg update && opkg upgrade differ from flashing those > images? > > being a longterm debian/sid user i grew accustomed to do aptitude update > && aptitude dist-upgrade almost every day and compile a new kernel every > now and then ... > > thanks in advance > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [qtopia on freerunner] - What files do I have to download?
Dear Lorn, It would be much nicer if your files for download carried in their name something more explict about which they are. "updated" is not at all helpful, as i cant tell from that if it happened before or after I downloaded Also please can you supply a root.tar.gz in addition to a root.jffs2? Obviously you can, I should have said Will you? please? (Or is there some way i can make .jffs2 into tar.gz?) thank you, clare On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 11:24 PM, Lorn Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Lorn Potter wrote: >> Kevin Dean wrote: >>> On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 2:26 PM, Lorn Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>>> Get the "Qtopia flash image for FIC Neo Freerunner (gta02)" file instead. >>>> http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=6 >>>> >>> That image is the one that contains a tar.gz image of the rootfs, not >>> a jffs2 image. >> >> indeed. sorry about that. will fix in a few hours. >> >> > > ok. That file is updated. :) > > > -- > Lorn 'ljp' Potter > Software Engineer, Systems Group, Trolltech, a Nokia company > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: on screen keyboard?
Once upon a time it was possible on a Neo1973 to use a "terminal" which made Linux functionality available. For that you need not only the occasional slash or special text character, but Esc, Alt, and a set of characters. I am still hoping for an old-fashioned qwerty keyboard for that reason. clare On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 7:23 PM, Jay Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Afaik raster was working on a magic keyboard that had all sorts of >> cool features. > > > > hope he releases it soon! > > ; > -- > Jay Vaughan > > > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Which image
Hi Folks, I have tried a lot of images, and been frequently disappointed by finding many Applications running on top of basic functionality with obvious and longstanding bugs. The latest image, the one called fso, is really exciting as it is simple to start with, beautiful to look at and seems to be intended for steady improvement. It has delightfully clear fonts for the big letters and numbers and its very small ones are still crystal clear. I am apparently one of a small minority which sees the openmoko as a little computer which can make phone calls. In addition I dont see the use of fingers as always appropriate on a screen with wonderful resolution capable of displaying a lot of text. Currently I have on the NAND side of the phone an interesting image from ScaredyCat, well hidden on his site but still there (1) which has 1. a qwerty keyboard, which is almost perfect (bug1270) being usable in a "terminal" having control characters etc available. 2. The ability to detect all the partitions on my SD card which enables me to write to it music, or text while it is in the phone, AND to write to it images for loading from the SD card. Thus I can dual boot the phone. That latter ability I have not found on any recent images. Whereas I have other images with those capabilities the one I refer to has the extra advantage it is not cluttered with a lot of things irrelevant to my really basic requirements and is thus a good basis for experiment. (It can make and receive phone calls). (1) Now I can't find it, the site seems to have been cleaned up. It was called: OpenMoko-minimal-openmoko-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080227-fic-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 Please note that current bootloader does not dual boot for me and I am still using another SCaredyCat special for that. I never did find out why the one suggested in the wiki did not work for me. This is all old history I suppose. The important point is that it would be just marvellous if there was a group of people interested enough in solid basic functionality so that the phone could actually be used, as well as played with. This is one of the reasons for the importance of dual boot. clare On Tue, 1 Jul 2008, Al Johnson wrote: > On Monday 30 June 2008, Eildert Groeneveld wrote: >> Hello Folks >> >> so here it is the nice black box. It does boot and it could even connect to >> the Vodaphone network and got the LL phone ringing. great! >> But what now? The applications look rather skinny. >> >> What would be the best image to use currently. Is the FSO an option? >> Any advice? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: opkg not going anywhere
Hi Eildert Doing what you did, I get a similar result except I can ping out. One thing necessary is a nameserver, but also iptables probably. file /etc/resolv.conf in the Neo or Freerunner whould read nameserver 192.168.0.200 and in the PC I run dnsmasq as the nameserver. My 2nd machine this was not running, but starting it enabled ping out etc to work. My ifconfig gives an lo in addition to usb0 I did write it all earlier, especially the iptables part at http://home.exetel.com.au/claregj/Neo1973/WhatIdidToSshNeo (because it was harder with modem wanting 192.168.2 network.) Good luck, you will enjoy it. clare On Tue, 1 Jul 2008, Eildert Groeneveld wrote: > Hi Folks > now I am trying to install some stuff on the brandnew Freerunner. > > Through usb0 and ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am logged into the Neo and want to > install tangoGPS. However, it seems that the Neo cannot access the internet > altough the laptop does have full access. > A opkg update gives: > > An error ocurred, return value: 8. > Collected errors: > Failed to download http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily-feed/all/Packages.gz, > error 0 > > also urls cannot be pinged > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/volatile/tmp# route > Kernel IP routing table > Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface > 192.168.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 00 usb0 > default 192.168.0.200 0.0.0.0 UG0 00 usb0 > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/volatile/tmp# ifconfig > > > usb0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 9A:57:42:23:8D:06 > inet addr:192.168.0.202 Bcast:192.168.0.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 > UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 > RX packets:400 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 > TX packets:261 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 > collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 > RX bytes:39202 (38.2 KiB) TX bytes:36986 (36.1 KiB) > > > I must be missing something, any ideas what? > > greetings > > Eildert > -- > Eildert Groeneveld > === > Institute of Farm Animal Genetics > Mariensee 31535 Neustadt Germany > Tel : (+49)(0)5034 871155 Fax : (+49)(0)5034 871239 > e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://vce.tzv.fal.de/index.pl > http://www.tzv.fal.de/~eg/ http://apiis.tzv.fal.de/index.pl > === > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: GTA03 case should incorporate stylus holder
Just give thanks that the GTA01 and 02 cases have a hole in them. It is better to tie the stylus to the phone than have to remember to always park it rather than put it down. And with good resolution you can make really good use of the screen and stylus if you dont make everything on the screen big enough for fingers. clare (who is both Stylii and Quertii) On Fri, 6 Jun 2008, steve wrote: > Stroller you crack me up. (vi rules.) > > We need a religious war between the Digitii, the Stylii, and Quertii. > > On 5 Jun 2008, at 15:38, Ron K. Jeffries wrote: > >> Can the revised case for GTA03 *please* be designed to hold a stylus? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: My Openmoko blog is aimed at helping Freerunner users get started
I owe Vinc an apology, I got the right spelling apparently by accident. I was very interested in this product. So thanks to Vinc and Frederico. clare On Fri, 23 May 2008, clare wrote: On Thu, 22 May 2008, Vinc Duran wrote: Federico, can you send me a URL where I can learn more about Funamble? Google searches haven't found me much. Thanks On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 1:24 PM, Federico Lorenzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Vinc - you are sure hard to please. After offering a slight spelling change Google gave 14,200 for Funambol connector. of which the first two were 28 Jun 2006 ... This blog post will be about sharing what I learned around developping Funambol Connector. It is not intended to be complete or a ... blogs.nuxeo.com/sections/blogs/cedric_bosdonnat/ Funambol: Open Source: Community Projects Funambol Exchange Connector v3, Community, The Funambol Exchange connector ... Zimbra Funambol Connector, Community, This project provides code for earlier ... www.funambol.com/opensource/projects.php Those should have been enough. Did you really ask Google? clare ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: My Openmoko blog is aimed at helping Freerunner users get started
On Thu, 22 May 2008, Vinc Duran wrote: Federico, can you send me a URL where I can learn more about Funamble? Google searches haven't found me much. Thanks On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 1:24 PM, Federico Lorenzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Vinc - you are sure hard to please. After offering a slight spelling change Google gave 14,200 for Funambol connector. of which the first two were 28 Jun 2006 ... This blog post will be about sharing what I learned around developping Funambol Connector. It is not intended to be complete or a ... blogs.nuxeo.com/sections/blogs/cedric_bosdonnat/ Funambol: Open Source: Community Projects Funambol Exchange Connector v3, Community, The Funambol Exchange connector ... Zimbra Funambol Connector, Community, This project provides code for earlier ... www.funambol.com/opensource/projects.php Those should have been enough. Did you really ask Google? clare ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Our new Main page of wiki
First Congratulations to Brenda, the Wiki is improving all the time. I thought she had an impossible task. I think the pages are well written, in good clear English. I notice that many people, on IRC for example, for whom English is a second language, are far more meticulous in their expression than those of us who spoil English all our lives. For example the snippet from the complaint would not have been included by someone who had to *learn* English. clare On Thu, 1 May 2008, Federico Lorenzi wrote: On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 7:35 PM, Nick Guenther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: sounds kind of awkward. Well, it sounds as if English is your first language, why not give renaming and editing a shot? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Will Freerunner Be Available to Purchase in Australia ?
Hi Alex, Response is better in Oz this time: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales up to 17 according to that. 3 already in Perth. I am weakening... regards, clare On Sun, 20 Apr 2008, Wilkinson, Alex wrote: 0n Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 08:06:38PM +1000, clare wrote: >http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Category:Community >and count the people in the Australian capital cities you will get about >10. These will all have bought from the US last time. > >So the likelihood of getting 10 together in any one city is small. >There is more interest this time around, so more than that will probably be >sold, but the idea of a supplier I think is far-fetched. >Do you have a bunch of buyers lined up? or an interested reseller? >Importing from the US is easy enough, Thanks, I will just order from the US then. Waiting anxiously :) -aW IMPORTANT: This email remains the property of the Australian Defence Organisation and is subject to the jurisdiction of section 70 of the CRIMES ACT 1914. If you have received this email in error, you are requested to contact the sender and delete the email. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko at EuroPython 2008?
On Mon, 28 Apr 2008, Paul Boddie wrote: I was wondering whether any developers in the Openmoko community had considered submitting a talk for EuroPython 2008, particularly those using Python as a development language. Previous EuroPython conferences have Hi Paul, Could you get these people? http://www.neo1973-germany.de/ The things they are doing are novel and exciting, and are python based. They seem to be demos mostly, and my python is far too elementary to make them happen which grieves me. I really love the "pyphone", simple and elegant. good luck with it, clare ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Ugliness (was Re: 10 PACK UPDATE!!!)
Hi David, Thanks for the laugh... clare (who has an orange and white phone, and loves the feel of it.. *and* the hole in the case so it can be tied to me. But I bought it because it is a little linux computer.) On Sun, 27 Apr 2008, David Murrell wrote: I just don't care about the case. The black is cool, and the black/silver that I've seen in various photos looks pretty slick, but on balance, I'm buying a openmoko phone because it's a phone that I can do cool things with. That's why I'm buying it, not because it looks amazing so I can pop it out at a club as some sort of post adolescent pre mating ritual display of shiny objects to attract the opposite sex. If I wanted to do that, I'd get an iPhone. Also, I'd go to clubs. -- Cheers, David Murrell ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Will Freerunner Be Available to Purchase in Australia ?
Hi Alex, If you look at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Category:Community and count the people in the Australian capital cities you will get about 10. These will all have bought from the US last time. So the likelihood of getting 10 together in any one city is small. There is more interest this time around, so more than that will probably be sold, but the idea of a supplier I think is far-fetched. Do you have a bunch of buyers lined up? or an interested reseller? Importing from the US is easy enough, cheers, clare On Sun, 20 Apr 2008, Wilkinson, Alex wrote: Hi all, I have seen much discussion on this list with respect to Freerunner only being available to purchase in the US and Europe. Can someone please confirm whether or not Freerunner will be able to bought in Australia also ? Cheers -aW IMPORTANT: This email remains the property of the Australian Defence Organisation and is subject to the jurisdiction of section 70 of the CRIMES ACT 1914. If you have received this email in error, you are requested to contact the sender and delete the email. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo Freerunner Quickstart Guide
Sorry I sent a mistaken comment about the direction of undoing the sim card. clare ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Neo Freerunner Quickstart Guide
On Sat, 19 Apr 2008, Michael Shiloh wrote: Actually, here's my theory: Anyone who has NEVER had a GTA01 will figure out the SIM card holder. Anyone who has had a GTA01 will take awhile to get used to the fact that the card holder locks and unlocks in the opposite direction compared to GTA01. Can it be that the diagram is also a GTA01 version as my GTA01 sim card holder works the way the diagram shows. clare ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
On Mon, 14 Apr 2008, Sebastian Billaudelle wrote: P.S.: I asked my mother and some neighbours: - charger - pouch - lanyard nothing else... The pouch is very nice and closes securely with its drawstring. Inside it I put a piece of vinyl floor tile; and face the Neo1973 screen to the tile, so that sharp or hard items in my bag with it are less likely to do any damage. There is room for the battery and the stylus which is homemade and tied to the phone. THe lanyard I did not like as the slipring fastener came undone unexpectedly; that is unsafe. I have replaced it with a piece of cord tied with a fisherman's knot which tightens if the main cord is pulled but is easily undone by pulling the end pieces. This is through the hole in the phone. That hole is a brilliant design feature - the only phone I have seen that can be securely anchored to me. Phone must not depend on the PC, so charger is vital; so is a source of replacement, chargeable batteries. clare ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: LCD protector
My Neo1973 had a protector sheet on it when it arrived back in July. It had a small tab in one corner to pull it off with which I cut back a bit. It is pulled away very slightly at one edge, and has tiny imperfections so I am sure it is still there. It is invisible in use. At one time you had to buy them to fit the particular device, but I saw a general purpose one you cut to size yourself in "Dick Smith"s last week. clare On Sat, 12 Apr 2008, Nick Guenther wrote: On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 5:13 PM, Ajit Natarajan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello, A friend of mine who owns an iPhone purchased an LCD protector. It is a sheet of clear material cut to the dimensions of the LCD screen. When affixed to the screen, it doesn't affect touch screen operation. However, it resists scratching and fingerprints can simply be wiped off. Is this something that will be needed on the Freerunner? Or does the Freerunner come with a scratch resistant screen/coating? If a protector is needed, will there be an option to purchase it? My friend told me that one needs to be careful when affixing the protector, or ``bubbles'' will result. It would be great if instructions could be included with the protector on the best technique to affix it. I sliced off the edges of some of my old Palm protectors and stuck it to my Neo. It gets bubbles at first but after some use they just disappear. -Nick ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Price of the Freerunner spare parts
On Wed, 26 Mar 2008, Wolfgang Spraul wrote: This is pretty much finished on my end. Nokia BL-6C. Allen Lin did tests (we could only get BL-5C so far, also works). There are lots of clones of these Nokia batteries, we bought a few and can give you the names. But basically anything BL-4C, BL-5C, BL-6C compatible should work. Wolfgang on the GTA01v4 they work but will not charge. Is it different on FReeRunner? clare ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??
On Mon, 17 Mar 2008, Lorn Potter wrote: clare wrote: On Sun, 16 Mar 2008, Lorn Potter wrote: The latest binary for Neo from Trolltech is at qtopia.net. Thanks very much. I did set up the one from qtopia.net, with a modern u-boot (5 March) u-boot-gta01bv4-1.3.1+git0+10bbb38a402a2faf18858c451bcdc63d45888e6e+svn4164-r3.bin and the two pieces supplied as qtopia-4.3.1-neo-flash.tgz which is not SD booted, it has apparently to be flashed. I was very disappointed. I don't know why it was very slow compared with what I remember earlier about qtopia. I may try again sometime in the Thats odd. It haven't seen any performance issues like that. Thanks, That is a start - I was wondering if it was just mine being difficult. I want to try again the dual booting, then will load qtopia again and do some time measurements and comparisons with other versions. I have already noticed dialout time very long with "underground" and am wondering if it is low signal level, I will have to try in another place. (Soon will be more mobile and then can do that.) regards, clare ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??
On Sun, 16 Mar 2008, Lorn Potter wrote: The "community" has... it has put Qtopia on the device and made it work very reasonably, I think. The 4.3 branch is in bug fix mode, so nothing substantial there. Most work is being done for 4.4 The latest binary for Neo from Trolltech is at qtopia.net. Thanks very much. I did set up the one from qtopia.net, with a modern u-boot (5 March) u-boot-gta01bv4-1.3.1+git0+10bbb38a402a2faf18858c451bcdc63d45888e6e+svn4164-r3.bin and the two pieces supplied as qtopia-4.3.1-neo-flash.tgz which is not SD booted, it has apparently to be flashed. I was very disappointed. I don't know why it was very slow compared with what I remember earlier about qtopia. I may try again sometime in the future. regards, clare You can find unofficial snapshot releases at http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/ The source code for Qtopia can be found at ftp.trolltech.com -- Lorn 'ljp' Potter Software Engineer, Systems Group, MES, Trolltech ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner delayed a further 6 months?!?!??
On Sat, 15 Mar 2008, Lorn Potter wrote: Actually, for the 02, they are still working out the _hardware_. Except if you try to put your own system on there, a lot of the hardware is not going to work. That's because the tablet devices hardware are not well documented, if at all. and more in the same vein. It seems to me that essentially that is what Mark was saying, THat the Neo in its various forms will be for developers and geeks, for a long time. THat if you want a phone, buy a cheap phone, if you want something else buy a tablet. I have done both those things and neither has the fascination of the Neo. I believe far too much effort has gone into trying to make the Neo into a a lookalike of a common phone; why bother - common phones are cheap and easily available, smaller too, and have cameras etc etc. The real payoff with the Neo will be when the community stops following slavishly what the FIC people are doing and does something new and exciting (such as happened this week: Mar 14 Johannes Schauer neo1973-germany starting to rumble... ) Is there anything new in Qtopia? where is the latest available please? thank you clare ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Audio wired Headset
On Tue, 4 Mar 2008, ian douglas wrote: Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: I simply agree... JTAG for example, could be needed for standard users only after bricking the device, and new/extra batteries will be needed soon! Any other ideas? Yes Please a battery charger which can deal with the neo and charge its battery; itself powered by AA cell or similar, can be carried with the phone. THese are available but not specifically for the Neo.___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA02 Battery Capacity (Was: Re: More about the GTA02)
Andy I do hope you will put as much as you can back into GTA01, as I have real hopes now of using mine regularly. thanks clare On Sun, 2 Mar 2008, Andy Green wrote: I think we will improve this a small amount in kernel updates we already know we can do, but how much I don't know. We already know we waste current with bad GPIO levels in suspend and can fix them (I have a list here to do). Also I "derated" these estimates somewhat just in case since I did not verify them. So I expect we exceed this figure soon. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New to OpenMoko
On Wed, 16 Jan 2008, Michael Shiloh wrote: Welcome to OpenMoko, Barry! All you need to do is flash a new kernel and file system. Get the latest from http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/ Good luck and let us know how it goes, Hi Michael, Another little difficulty: on that site, there are Snapshot images which are clearly labelled gta01 and gta02. But how do I tell which are the gta01 out of pairs carrying only identifiers such as svnr3801 and svnr3874 ? THank you, clare ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: New to OpenMoko
Hi Michael, THis is a very interesting site. It is *very* disappointing that it has been so well hidden from me as a wiki user - .. YOu will see at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Repositories that the latest from * Official downloads * Recent/latest builds is 21 Nov and 1 Dec. clare. On Wed, 16 Jan 2008, Michael Shiloh wrote: Welcome to OpenMoko, Barry! All you need to do is flash a new kernel and file system. Get the latest from http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/ Good luck and let us know how it goes, Michael ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Is there a Terminal App. for Qtopia?
Currently I am using the version supplied by GoXbox Live which has the GPS added. It is working quite nicely, especially since I discovered that If you ask a second time for a change of input method for SMS, the predictive keyboard is replaced by a very satisfactory real one, only slightly predictive. (I haven't yet tried VOIP). What I am hoping is that someone knows of a Terminal Application which could be installed and which uses that second keyboard or something similar. Terminal is the one thing that the Openmoko version has that makes it Linux rather than just a phone. The Keyboard in the Terminal of the OpenMoko version was very nice initially, but a some time back it was changed so that the letters on the keys require a magnifier to read them. clare ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko wallpaper
Hi Marcel, I think I have not been clear enough. I always thought you intended the pic as a decoration for the wiki home page, and that I thought not a good idea. Just putting files in the wiki, with a warning as to size, is fine. regards, clare On Fri, 11 Jan 2008, Marcel wrote: The original image (no blackened moon, it's a lens reflection) and the most recent of the wallpaper'd one can be seen here: http://tanuva.de/index.php/mokocars-at-night-gallery/ @clare: Maybe I make an even smaller jpegged one (800x600?) as a preview and one attaches a hires tar.gz version to it? (I don't have a wiki account yet, but if someone here said I should put it up in the wiki, I would create one.) Marcel Am Freitag 11 Januar 2008 11:20:24 schrieb Peter Ruzicska: Please upload to your site the original image! With your sign on the lower right corner :) But without blackened moon. thanks a lot! speedyx86 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko wallpaper
Hi, THe reduced download time pic is very nice, but I believe if put on the wiki would get well justified complaints due to download time (36 seconds on my ADSL) when the picture is not in any way relevant to what wiki is for. I hate to be so negative, but I have the good of the wiki at heart here. I still think as wallpaper, i.e. to be downloaded as a choice, it would be welcomed. regards, clare On Wed, 9 Jan 2008, Marcel wrote: Here's the new version. The objects on the right have been cut out and there is a smaller version for low bandwith and/or the wiki. But I didn't blacken the lighted window because it turned out to be quite hard to do, it always looks horrible after I put some dark color on it. Maybe someone else is more gifted? :) I'm also going to put the picture versions on my blog/website this evening so that its not nessecary to provide new urls each time a change is made. original with layers: http://tanuva.de/files/mokocars_at_night_v3.xcf.gz big version (6mb, 1447x1085): http://tanuva.de/files/mokocars_at_night_v3.png compressed version (1.6mb, 1280x960): http://tanuva.de/files/mokocars_at_night_v3_small.png ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Openmoko wallpaper
Marcel it is very beautiful, but as you say high resolution - 6 megs big. We dont all have fast connections. So for the wiki, maybe not such a good idea; but as wallpaper or a poster, for download and display, lovely. Or perhaps just the added part - the logo and the word openmoko, for the wiki. regards, clare On Tue, 8 Jan 2008, Marcel wrote: Hello, I've been playing around with my camera at late night and once took an (in my opinion) quite nice shot. Now, browsing the moko wiki, I thought the om logo could look really good together with one of them. Here's the result, waiting for comments: http://www.tanuva.de/files/mokocars_at_night.png Left at a high resolution to be able to cut it down to different aspect ratios. What do you think about this? Marcel ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973
On Wed, 26 Sep 2007, Lorn Potter wrote: Not by the operating system, or the LGPL, but by the culture surrounding it. How many commercial closed source applications are available for Linux? Hi Lorn, Couldn't let that go, they are increasing rapidly - here are just a few that are used in the University where I work. Although there are open source products in these areas, these commercial ones are big time: Mathematica, Matlab, SAS statistical software, Ansys (Engineering design). regards, clare ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: speeding up the flow of information
On Sun, 9 Sep 2007, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: I couldn't agree with you more. We've been talking a lot internally about how to get the quality (and quantity) of our documentation increasing. Michael and Roh will both be working on this a lot in the (very) near future. If there are things that you would specifically like to see please let us know. Thanks Sean, For a start, I have attached a list of wiki pages that I found gradually, many from sources outside the wiki. THere are probably a lot more hanging off the directory /wiki/. Later I will send items like this direct to your new Documentation people. regards, clare http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=P1_Owners http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Building_OpenMoko_from_scratch Other pages at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ Kernel incl modules Application_Development_FAQ Developer_preview USB_DFU OpenEmbedded Bootloader Bootloader#S3C2410_specific_commands Getting_OpenMoko_working_on_host_with_Xephyr Dfu-util Flashing_openmoko S3c2410_boot_usb QT2410 Neo1973_Battery_Charger OpenMoko_under_QEMU#How_to_get_it_running Debug_Board Connecting_Neo1973_with_Debug_Board_v2 Qemu Neo1973:_GTA01Bv4_versus_GTA02_comparison Application_UI_Design_Recommendations Getting_Started_with_your_Neo1973#Inserting_the_SIM_card_.28optional.29 Neo1973_Battery_Charger OpenMoko2007.2 Manually_using_GPRS Phase_1_Software_Testing VCard Application_Development_Crash_Course MokoMakefile OEandYourDistro RequiredSoftware ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: speeding up the flow of information
Hi Sean, and Michael and Joachim; Sorry for late reply, Mailout was broken. Pity this seems to have been submerged in mails about Apple. However I hope that leads to much more emphasis on the documentation side of the Open Source feature of the Neo1973 and OpenMoko itself. THis is where, in my opinion the real strength of the product will emerge. It is already evident in that a large number of people paid about 10 times the cost of a functional phone from ebay, even knowing it would take effort to get it usable. So a very big Welcome to Michael and Roh. clare On Fri, 7 Sep 2007, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: Dear Community, I'd like to introduce Michael Shiloh and Joachim "Roh" Steiger -- two new members of the OpenMoko team. Their primary responsibility will be to support you, the OpenMoko community developers. I'm sure you'll all agree this is an extremely important (and too often neglected in this project) role ;-) This includes getting technical and non-technical information out to you as quickly as possible, and also speeding your questions, ideas, and concerns to the appropriate person inside OpenMoko. Michael will focus more on North America and the Middle East while Roh will help out with Europe. Other regions will be shared between them both. Expect to hear more from them shortly. -Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Yet another keypad idea
On Sat, 8 Sep 2007, OJW wrote: Just playing with another idea for text-entry: http://almien.co.uk/Keypad/ Hi OJW, THat is a FUN thing, and would be even better if the letters appeared much larger as you got nearer the end. I enjoyed it much more than an ordinary game. I hope you keep working on it, as good ideas never seem to get other than objections. THe nice thing about OpenMoko is that we can use a thing even if it doesn't grab the mass market. cheers, clare ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Incorrect UPS tracking numbers?
I am nearly happy now, Jouston Huang from online store sent me a new tracking number, which arrived yesterday Friday afternoon Aug 10 here, and I found that the phone which was shipped on Aug 7 our time had arrived in Perth from Singapore late the night before, and was being processed. I had earlier found out the name of UPS local agent and rang them, and as soon as I told them where I live they traced it and told me it was passed to another carrier who would probably pass it to Australia Post (as I live outside the Metro area.) If they try to deliver on Monday I might get it Tuesday.. (Delivery time here is seldom less than a week, so that will be pretty good.) clare On 8/8/07, Ulrik Rasmussen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I just got my email too, but no, I don't have the same problem. The area and > country matches my living address, though I can't find my name mentioned > anywhere. > > -Ulrik > > On Tuesday 07 August 2007 21:33:25 Roland Dreier wrote: > > I just got my "Your order has shipped!" email (yay!), but the UPS > > tracking number included showed a package signed for by Mike (not my > > name) in San Ramon, CA, (not where my address is). Did that happen to > > anyone else? > > > > Since I'm also in the San Francisco Bay area, I'm hoping my package > > will already be delivered too when I get home > > > > ___ > > OpenMoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What's the real scope of hardware openness?
Earlier someone said: I think you described just about every tech-savy teenager out there... On 8/7/07, Luca Dionisi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks for your explanation. >So, what are the current proposal for starting the real revolution? >I'm getting bored and frustrated. :) > There has to be something that we could do from the > base to get rid of the bastards. Or to put it another way, there is a lot of suggestion out in the community that young people ( in schools for example) are becoming more violent. This is just the manifestation of the same problem in the tech area. It is something that has always been there, but magnified by the improvement in communications. I think we have a duty to work peacefully toward improvement of these problems on all levels, rather than find ways to accommodate our aggressive instincts. Note that this is not an easy way out; it involves fundamental changes in understanding of what rights individuals have in society, starting with parents. And it will take a century or so; we may not have time. clare, who is pessimistic about people, religion, politics, climate change etc ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: openmoko irc logs available ?
And thank you Rod for the information, as I have been hoping to read IRC logs and as you say the time differences, and just the total time involved make IRC in real time prohibitive if you cant have it on all day at work.:) Clare in Perth, now expecting a phone... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: An idea for an advertisement
On 7/23/07, Giles Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 22 Jul 2007, at 20:31, Adam Krikstone wrote: > AGPS is where focus needs to be. This natural (and free) > comparative advantage needs to be developed to attract new > developers and customers. Unfortunately people will want Tomtom, much of the other stuff is useless to most people. You need GPS turn by turn routing to bring in the masses. Nokia 6110 Navigator - advertised on the back of the bus I followed on my way home, and this is way away in Perth Western Australia.. clare ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Again: Advertising thoughts
On 7/16/07, Giles Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Jonathon Suggs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote : > For the address book example. I would prefer to have a list that showed > only a few names with a large area for each. When you clicked the name, The important thing IMHO is to create applications where the base code is sound. Insert, Update, Delete, Select contact entries etc.. Hi Jonathon, How would you manage when there are a lot of names? My phone is also my phone book, and has pages of names in small print. This is why I choose a phone with a good screen and a stylus. I don't altogether understand the rationale of insisting on fingers when there are so many pixels which can present easily read detail. Also I don't understand why there is so much emphasis on a mass market which is already well catered for; possibly to the detriment of the niche market which wants a lot of functionality fom the device. This little phone should be able to replace the laptop a lot of the time, taking notes in meetings for example (which i already do on my phone, small and above all quiet.) The improvement with the neo will be the easy transfer of such files to the PC(linux). clare --- G O Jones ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Support for Left handers
On 7/15/07, Joe Friedrichsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: . We have a *touch screen* folks! Why use a widget that was made to replace tactile interaction when the whole screen can be a widget? Seems like a little overly zealous retrofitting. . . This carburettor will fit on the electric car, dag nab it! ;-) quite, Acrobat does it, But even better my laptop has a synaptics touchpad, and Seamonkey can make use of it. stroke up and down the right side to scroll the web page, stroke across the bottom to zoom or unzoom. (But it is a bit sensitive, I hate the thought of accidentally dialling someone due to a slight tremor of my finger.) clare ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Support for Left handers
I have noticed some suggestions for managing the touchscreen which would be difficult for people lacking part of an important finger. Arthriticky tendencies in those remaining wont help either Hoping for easy stylus management... clare On 7/14/07, Giles Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, I'm new here, I have an OpenMoko on order and hope to do some development. I'll contribute ideas and bug reports at the least. I'm not sure I've ever used a touch screen mobile device that caters for left handed people. On the whole there aren't many issues with using devices left handed, so adding the support is easy. The main problem is scrollbars, when they're on the right dragging the scrollbar left handed results in your hand covering the screen so you can't see what you are doing. So having the option of scrollbars on the left would be useful. Ideally if you implement such features in the interface and not per application then it will all be transparent and less work will need to be done. Comments? Giles. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Cheers for Harald
Another little voice - Harald please take some time and get better, You are a vital cog in this machine... Clare On 7/13/07, Jonas Berlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Quoting Mikko Rauhala on 07/12/2007 04:39 PM UTC: > to, 2007-07-12 kello 04:43 -0400, Phil Schaffner kirjoitti: >> Harald Welte's blog >> http://gnumonks.org/~laforge/weblog/2007/07/11#20070711-insanity > [...] > > Eyeing at the earlier posts and other stuff on what's been going on, no > wonder there's some burnout (one assumes) going around... > > Thanks for all your commentary and work so far, don't kill yourself with > it. I'm sure I speak for more than myself in wishing you a speedy but > decidedly not hurried recovery. Right on.. Take care! -- - xkr47 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Choice of scripting langage: towards Web2.0?
On 4/4/07, Jonathon Suggs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: That said, I still think we should consider perl. ... So you have a lot of older gurus that could do just about anything with it, but who may not be willing to learn a new language. Hmm. well yes, Provided I can make it do perl for me I am selfish enough not to worry if it isn't built-in - however I couldn't help noticing the other day http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:BuiltInScriptingLanguage which is worth a look, and especially mentions Ruby and Python and two others for being small. The language Lua looked particularly interesting for its (to me) modern approach of being self-extensible. And Brazil is a big place. We need to think worldwide here. I googled for Lua language tutorial features and got a huge pile of fascinating reading. I must try this. cheers, clare ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: No stylus on V1 release?
Hi Elrond, Thank you for that. It is a partial solution to my concern about children. I am still hoping for a stylus that is part of the phone, for convenience reasons. The suggestions about an alternative back were promising. My current phone has the stylus in a slot at the back and it is wonderful. I have trained myself always to put it back after use and I always have it, That means all I need to grab to take with me is the phone. The only other thing I carry all the time is my keys. One of them maybe will do as a stylus. clare. On 3/25/07, Elrond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sun, Mar 25, 2007 at 08:16:46AM +0800, Clare Johnstone wrote: > Dear all, > This frightens me in my role as mother, grandmother etc, i.e. a > representative of the public to which you hope to sell this phone. > Essentially any laser device powerful enough to be useful has no place in > a home which may ever have children in it. (Even quite old ones). > > clare Hi Clare! I like it, that you think about this. But as all laser pointers are battery powered, what's about just not putting batteries in the stylus? Okay, you wont be able to use the torch, but if you feel better with a plain stylus without any extras? _Guessing_ from koen's "unboxing the neo" pictures, the batteries are shipped seperately, so you just don't install them in the first place and leave them in the box. As one of those few who don't own a laser pointer/torch thingy, I anyway wonder how long the batteries last... Elrond ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: No stylus on V1 release?
Yes, that is the whole problem. This would be an item in constant and casual use in the home, with no special precautions as might be used for knives, hot stoves or poisons, and bound to cause a curious child to experiment with it. clare On 3/25/07, Joe Pfeiffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Clare Johnstone writes: >Dear all, >This frightens me in my role as mother, grandmother etc, i.e. a >representative of the public to which you hope to sell this phone. >Essentially any laser device powerful enough to be useful has no place in >a home which may ever have children in it. (Even quite old ones). While a laser pointer can conceivably do damage, it's nowhere near as dangerous as a steak knife or even a ballpoint pen, and is in nothing like the same league as a bicycle. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: No stylus on V1 release?
Dear all, This frightens me in my role as mother, grandmother etc, i.e. a representative of the public to which you hope to sell this phone. Essentially any laser device powerful enough to be useful has no place in a home which may ever have children in it. (Even quite old ones). clare On 2/16/07, Ian Stirling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: denis wrote: > Ian Stirling schrieb: >> Stefan Schmidt wrote: >>> It has a stylus, but no place in the case to hide it. >>> >> >> My thoughts on this: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Expansion_Back - a >> modified case. Should we add that page to the hardware wish list? and someone did, thus: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wish_List_-_Hardware#Laser_Pointer ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Proposal: Personal Data Encryption (maybe SoC?)
On 3/20/07, Jim McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: continually asking the user to decide which data is to be encrypted and which not. There is the concept of "folders" which could be used :) clare ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Crossroads
On 3/14/07, Martin Lefkowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Why don't you collect all the information that came on this email list and post it to the Wiki, or FAQ? Marty Aha! Thank you Marty, that is a way out of this Merry-Go_round. Otherwise I was thinking about the normal advice "Don't feed the trolls" clare ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Minor query on Wiki? Where was I supposed to send it?
Hi, I was trying to find an email address for the wiki administrator to send this query (attached), but failed. (If I had wanted to edit the wiki there was help for that (lots).) Sorry to waste space on this list, clare NAND-typo-query.png Description: PNG image ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
The 911 button? how is it set up?
Hi all, Just looking at the information on the Wiki about the hardware, I got curious about the so-called 911 button. I am supposing it is for emergency calls, but is my country (Australia) alone in not using that number for emergencies? Looking up what we do use, I found: http://www.telstra.com.au/mobile/life/community/emergency.htm# You can still attempt a normal '000'emergency call from a GSM mobile but if you do not have reception, you can dial '112' and your call will be carried by any available GSM network. I also wonder about how it is protected from non-emergency presses, it apparently being the only button other than the power button. With many thanks for all that has been done so far.. clare ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
