Thanks for letting us know so quickly. This definitely gives me
something to think about purchase wise. Please keep us informed as to
any future plans for alternate tri-band or quad-band hardware.
-Steve
Michael Shiloh wrote:
Unfortunately, this also affects the GTA02, which is now far too
Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
Michael Shiloh writes:
The chipset is capable of quad band but the board was laid out to only
support 3 bands. So, 850Mhz is not supported on the GTA01 board. Instead
we support 900/1800/1900MHz.
How does the board layout affect the supported bands? Is it a jumper
or
FWIW, I was planning on buying a GTA02 as soon as its available, but no
850 is a deal breaker since I would be using it on ATT's network in
California. I would certainly be willing to buy it without 900MHZ
support, though.
-Tupshin
Michael Shiloh wrote:
Unfortunately, this also affects the
Will do.
Michael
Steve wrote:
Thanks for letting us know so quickly. This definitely gives me
something to think about purchase wise. Please keep us informed as to
any future plans for alternate tri-band or quad-band hardware.
-Steve
Michael Shiloh wrote:
Unfortunately, this also affects
On Nov 5, 2007 5:58 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Would that it were a jumper. Unfortunately it's much more complicated:
it's a combination of circuit, components, firmware, and certification.
Michael
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I hate to add to the fire on this one, but no 850 is a definite deal
breaker.
No quad-band is a serious limitation, as it has been marketed since
inception as a quad-band phone. I'm not sure that I am willing to spend
$450 for a non-world phone.
Regards,
joshua
Tupshin Harper wrote:
FWIW, I
Michael Shiloh writes:
How does the board layout affect the supported bands? Is it a jumper
or something?
Would that it were a jumper. Unfortunately it's much more complicated:
it's a combination of circuit, components, firmware, and certification.
Drat -- when firmware gets into it, it
Quick (sorta stupid) question. I'm in Vancouver, Canada. What does not
having 850 support mean?
Thanks,
Justin
On Nov 5, 2007 6:08 PM, Tupshin Harper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
FWIW, I was planning on buying a GTA02 as soon as its available, but no
850 is a deal breaker since I would be
That's a good point, Tupshin. You (and the community) can guide us as we
try to figure out how to proceed.
How many of you must have 850 MHz support, and would be satisfied with
an 850/1800/1900MHz variant, and how many of you must have full quad-band?
Please put your answers on
That's to bad. Like many people I've been looking forward to getting a
Neo and using OM. Now I'm not sure if I will. I do a fair amount of
camping and canoeing, at times in rural areas. I wonder how often the
lack of the 850 band would cause problems? I looked around some and
couldn't find any
On Nov 5, 2007 6:23 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That's a good point, Tupshin. You (and the community) can guide us as we
try to figure out how to proceed.
How many of you must have 850 MHz support, and would be satisfied with
an 850/1800/1900MHz variant, and how many of you
I agree.
We realize that this is a very grave issue and are treating it with the
utmost concern.
Michael
digger vermont wrote:
That's to bad. Like many people I've been looking forward to getting a
Neo and using OM. Now I'm not sure if I will. I do a fair amount of
camping and canoeing,
Is there a way to do both? Can you have the 900/1800/1900MHz phones
along with the 850/1800/1900MHz variant? I don't know if that would
raise cost or anything. That way at order time you could select which
one you would like. Who uses the 900 band does anyone know? I would
think the
Generally, my rule of thumb is that rural places have more 850MHz, urban
places have the 1900MHz. The only place I would usually see 850MHz was on
road trips, but now that I live on the North Shore, there is only about 50%
coverage for 1900MHz (and it's always like 1 bar).
Randall
The big deal about 850Mhz vs 1900Mhz is that 850Mhz specification
is higher power. Higher power means different, and probably more
stringent, testing and certification requirements. Presumably that is why
it's more than just a software/firmware issue requiring board design
and component changes.
I would guess that if we make such a variant, we would offer both, but I
don't know for sure.
Please realize that I'm just asking the question in anticipation that
the information might be useful at some point. I'm not suggesting that
we have any plans yet to do so.
Michael
Mathew Davis
Mathew Davis:
Who uses the 900 band does anyone know?
Nobody in North America uses 900 or 1800.
Originally all GSM phones were 900Mhz. The GSM specs were
created in Europe. Due to congestion on the 900Mhz band most
providers added support for 1800Mhz.
North America was late in the GSM game
Agreed, I'm in California as well, and though I bought a pre-paid T
Mobile card, it doesn't work either because of the 3G issue.
It would seem the 850 issue plus the 3G issue has just 'bricked' my Neo
(in a metaphorical sense) without me writing a single line of code.
And given that the
On Nov 5, 2007 7:36 PM, Jon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/cou_us.shtml which is the US list
for GSM based operators, you will see it is universally 850 or 1900 (or
both). In the case of ATT you can take a quick look at the two coverage
I guess I'm in luck -
I hear you.
Now that the 850MHz update is posted, I'll turn my attention to the 3G
issue (GSM firmware update) and the GPS driver.
I've only just starting to look into these (since I arrived in Taiwan)
and I'll report in a new thread once I get a bit more information.
Michael
ian douglas
On 11/5/07, Jon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think then the question is (for us slightly less technically adept): How
do we find out what support we have in our area?
I have previously worked for a reseller of Cingular/ATT(used to work
at radioshack for 4 years. joy!) and the stores login to
On 11/6/07, Mike Hodson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 11/5/07, Jon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think then the question is (for us slightly less technically adept): How
do we find out what support we have in our area?
I have previously worked for a reseller of Cingular/ATT(used to work
Also,
At the lowest level GPS runs hardware ranges or time offsets from
each satellite.
This does not directly give you a position. Some significant
spherical trig is necessary to turn this into position.
A lot of (AGPS) phones only have that hardware and rely on some system software
(maybe not
Dnia środa, 31 października 2007, Shawn Rutledge napisał:
On 10/31/07, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That seems utterly ridiculous to me. A binary is a binary.
If you have source
*IF* you have a source... It looks like OpenMoko Inc lack source and got
OABI binary from vendor of
Okay this is what confuses me regarding this GPS source code.
I have worked with several GPS modules. I have written code
to configure them and read and parse their output. Why you
would need the vendor's code is beyond me. They provide the
specs. The specs are all you need to write your own
Doug Sutherland wrote:
Okay this is what confuses me regarding this GPS source code.
[...] Why you
would need the vendor's code is beyond me. They provide the
specs. The specs are all you need to write your own drivers.
[...] I am baffled
why there should EVER be a need for any kind of binary
The Global Locate device does a lot of GPS processing on the HOST CPU
which is why it REALLY needs that driver to work.
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Karsten wrote:
Some time ago, someone (I can not remember who it was) mentioned
that the current GPS chip of the GTA01 does some calculations in
software (means within the driver code), which is done by firmware
in other GPS chips.
Okay that makes some sense then what is being discussed, but
By the way I should mention that not only Neo is experiencing
the white screen phenomenon. I am doing tech support for
phones and many off the shelf motorola and other standard
brands are doing this. It's not a huge phenomenon but it has
become regular in the past six months or so. Based on
Gabriel wrote:
The Global Locate device does a lot of GPS processing on the HOST CPU
which is why it REALLY needs that driver to work.
I am guessing, possibly wrongly, that this would be stuff like altitude
and velocity calculations. When you look at every bit of a GPS spec
there isn't a lot to
Mikko wrote:
2) Yes, it can make sense not to have a bazillion CPUs on board from
various perspectives.
I evaluated no less than 25 different GPS modules some years ago
and compared them in all important aspects. Every single one had
a microcontroller onboard. I do not agree that it makes any
to, 2007-11-01 kello 06:00 -0500, Doug Sutherland kirjoitti:
If this one is only sending raw data ie no actual coordinates then
it makes no sense to use that part.
*sigh*
1) Yes, it pretty much sends raw data.
2) Yes, it can make sense not to have a bazillion CPUs on board from
various
Hello,
I apologize that my bi-weekly update is a little late for this period.
This is mostly due to traveling on my part.
The update today is more organizational than technical.
OpenMoko has added some key positions and some key people in those
positions. This should help move the project
Michael Shiloh wrote:
To save time, please refrain from re-opening previous discussions.
Re-opening implies that there has been some previous closure, vs. a
discussion that just trailed off into silence. Could you please provide
regular updates on important items that are still open, even
The current neo1973 is not FCC approved to operate in the 850Mhz band.
It would be illegal for FIC to sell the device in the US with it
activated. BT and PCS is the only approved band currently.
http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/fcc_query.php?gc=EUNpc=GTA01BV4
Mike Montour wrote:
Michael
On 10/31/07, Mike Montour [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
- Delivery of the promised 'gllin' GPS binary to GTA01 owners
(anything that can be made to work, OABI/EABI/chrooted/whatever)
Yes. Again, it has been much, much, much too long that we have been
waiting for this.
Mike Montour wrote:
Michael Shiloh wrote:
To save time, please refrain from re-opening previous discussions.
Re-opening implies that there has been some previous closure, vs. a
discussion that just trailed off into silence. Could you please provide
regular updates on important items that
On 10/31/07, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes. You do realize that it is a legal issue that has been holding this
up. But true, this is needed, and I'll find out what's going on.
I thought the legal issue was resolved.
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Yes. You do realize that it is a legal issue that has been holding this
up. But true, this is needed, and I'll find out what's going on.
Michael
Shawn Rutledge wrote:
On 10/31/07, Mike Montour [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
- Delivery of the promised 'gllin' GPS binary to GTA01 owners
(anything
Shawn Rutledge wrote:
On 10/31/07, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes. You do realize that it is a legal issue that has been holding this
up. But true, this is needed, and I'll find out what's going on.
I thought the legal issue was resolved.
Sorry for the confusion. I went back
On 10/31/07, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The first legal issue was to allow for the distribution of the driver in
binary-only form. That was resolved.
The next issue was technical, and resulted from the switch from OABI to
EABI. That issue has a number of workarounds (wrapper,
Shawn Rutledge wrote:
On 10/31/07, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The first legal issue was to allow for the distribution of the driver in
binary-only form. That was resolved.
The next issue was technical, and resulted from the switch from OABI to
EABI. That issue has a number of
The modem licensing is a big deal breaker for me. I purchased a
quad-band phone because I live in the US and need 850 coverage. I
knew it is developer preview beta phone, and was willing to contribute
and wait until the software is ready.
If the phone is not going to be licensed for all four
On 15/10/2007, Jay Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
so no, we do want and require the source code to everything
Change your government then. In the US for example, there are strict
FCC-imposed regulations on how open certain portions of the carrier
network can be, and this extends to
Robin Paulson skrev:
on the other hand, we were specifically talking about the driver for
the gps hardware, which is a receive only radio, and hence not covered
by the same regulations as the gsm radio
Yes. And I'm fully in suport for OpenMoko picking a new GPS unit with
full os support.
On 10/14/07, Robin Paulson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
hmm. this an open phone with open hardware and (where legal) open
drivers. not having the source code to something would defeat the
whole purpose of what sean et al are doing, and not attract any of the
community that's here - the neo would
Derek Pressnall wrote:
If the gpsd falls into catagory 3 (and not 2), then for me that is ok,
as long as it is bug free, will work with updated kernels, and has a
defined api for talking to it from other apps. In that case, I can
treat it as if I'm using a gps chip that spits out the protocal
Butt... For the old GTA01, that have the old chip, and that will not be
used in the future, it is completely sufficient with a binary driver
accessible thru the same interface as the GTA02 phones (even if it needs
to be some function limitations). That's what originally stated anyway.
Absolutely agrree. GPS was one of my main points for buying the phone.
I dont really care about the source for the driver as long as I can
get the co-ordinates.
Count me in the 'me too' crowd .. I'm really looking forward to
having working GPS functionality on my GTA01, from the perspective
On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 11:18:55 +0200, Jay Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
so no, we do want and require the source code to everything
Change your government then.
Of course. This is but a small first step on the road to world domination
;o)
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On 10/14/07, Robin Paulson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 15/10/2007, Pranav Desai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Absolutely agrree. GPS was one of my main points for buying the phone.
I dont really care about the source for the driver as long as I can
get the co-ordinates.
hmm. this an open phone
On Sat, 2007-10-13 at 12:02 +0200, Pedro Aguilar wrote:
Hi,
It would be nice that the software development your're doing at the
moment would be backwards compatible with GTA01 (at least the parts that
are not hw dependent and are different between GTA01 and GTA02),
otherwise the users of
On Sat, 2007-10-13 at 18:17 +0200, Jan Dittmer wrote:
Hello Michael,
it would be nice to have some info about this white screen of death
plus vibrator which is affecting some people. Especially if that
is a hardware or software problem. It's pretty annoying and generally
happens if you want
On 10/13/07, Shawn Rutledge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 10/12/07, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We're very happy with the u-blox/Atmel ATR0635 GPS Receiver, and thus
have made the decision to use this chip.
That sounds like good news. It's not open-source but sounds like it
On 15/10/2007, Pranav Desai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Absolutely agrree. GPS was one of my main points for buying the phone.
I dont really care about the source for the driver as long as I can
get the co-ordinates.
hmm. this an open phone with open hardware and (where legal) open
drivers. not
I'd like to see a package of simply, fully working, high-quality example
applications, including tutorials on cross-compiling and linking against
different versions of the various OpenMoko libraries. It would provide an
excellent starting point for developers such as myself who want to dive in
but
Hi Ryan,
That's a great idea. I too learn best from examples.
I'll add this to the list.
Thanks,
Michael
Ryan Prior wrote:
I'd like to see a package of simply, fully working, high-quality example
applications, including tutorials on cross-compiling and linking against
different versions of
On 10/12/07, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We're very happy with the u-blox/Atmel ATR0635 GPS Receiver, and thus
have made the decision to use this chip.
That sounds like good news. It's not open-source but sounds like it
should be easier to interface with.
However, FIC still needs
Shawn Rutledge wrote:
On 10/12/07, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We're very happy with the u-blox/Atmel ATR0635 GPS Receiver, and thus
have made the decision to use this chip.
That sounds like good news. It's not open-source but sounds like it
should be easier to interface with.
On Saturday 13 October 2007 07:05:19 Michael Shiloh wrote:
We're very happy with the u-blox/Atmel ATR0635 GPS Receiver, and thus
have made the decision to use this chip.
So does this mean we now have GPS hardware that outputs NMEA on a serial port
(or something similar) without having to run
Gabriel Ambuehl wrote:
On Saturday 13 October 2007 07:05:19 Michael Shiloh wrote:
We're very happy with the u-blox/Atmel ATR0635 GPS Receiver, and thus
have made the decision to use this chip.
So does this mean we now have GPS hardware that outputs NMEA on a serial port
(or something
We want to make it easier for developers to work with OpenMoko. We
realize that many of our resources (e.g. wiki, website, development
tools) are decidedly not user friendly at the moment and that other
resources (e.g. documentation) are missing. I'm going to start
putting a lot more
Hello Michael,
it would be nice to have some info about this white screen of death
plus vibrator which is affecting some people. Especially if that
is a hardware or software problem. It's pretty annoying and generally
happens if you want to show someone the phone :-( I cannot remember
any
Hello,
this means that gta02v3 has bugs?
Greets
Patrick Beck
Am Freitag, den 12.10.2007, 22:05 -0700 schrieb Michael Shiloh:
GTA02v3, the third revision of GTA02, is still being verified and
tested. This will take another couple of weeks, at which point we'll
make GTA02v4.
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this means that gta02v3 has bugs?
.. it means that the hardware is going through rigorous testing
before it gets reproduced in large numbers. Certainly, hardware can
have bugs .. the difference is that its very hard to fix these bugs
'at the user' once the hardware is shipped.
I'm
Hello,
ok, than i am right = v3 has bugs and they musst be fix with v4. I dont
think that this problem would be solved in one month. v4 has the same
process like v3 = solve the bug problems = testing and validation.
According to the wiki = they hoped that v3 is bug-free
Greets
Patrick Beck
Hello everyone,
I have some updates for you, and a question.
First the updates:
The GTA01 units that were shipped in the past two weeks have satisfied
the back orders for GTA01. There continues to be demand for GTA01 so we
are building some more.
GTA02 Wifi hardware has been working for
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