Re: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop

2008-09-07 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors
Sebastian Ohl [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 here is a new version of the openmoko-panel-plugin. this one has a

Is this for matchbox-panel? If so, can you please mention
matchbox-panel in the package description?

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Re: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop

2008-09-07 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Sonntag, den 07.09.2008, 16:25 +0200 schrieb Sebastian Ohl:
 On Mon, 2008-08-25 at 18:01 +0200, Joachim Breitner wrote:
  I hope you are not scared by this list :-)
 I hope that i don't miss anything :-)
 
 here is a new version of the openmoko-panel-plugin. this one has a
 matchbox keyboard button and nicer icons. i hope that i find the time to
 add the double click feature in the near future.
 
 here are the new urls:
 http://www.ohli.de/download/openmoko-panel-plugin_0.2-1_all.deb
 http://www.ohli.de/download/openmoko-panel-plugin-0.2-1.diff.gz
 http://www.ohli.de/download/openmoko-panel-plugin_0.2-1.dsc

^ that seems to be broken, at least I get some HMTL around the file
itself.

 http://www.ohli.de/download/openmoko-panel-plugin-0.2.orig.tar.gz
 
 If you have any suggestions how to further improve the packaging i'll be
 happy to hear.

Sure, I’ll have a look later, once I could download it.

 how can we integrate this package to the debian-fso
 repository ?

If it’s fine, I’ll just upload it to the pkg-fso repository. If you want
to be in touch with development, please join
http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-fso-maint

Greetings,
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Re: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop

2008-09-07 Thread arne anka
 If you have any suggestions how to further improve the packaging i'll be
 happy to hear. how can we integrate this package to the debian-fso

seems, the .desktop file is gone?
at least the plugin isn't any longer in the menu and dpkg -L does not show  
one.

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Re: Power drain on slee, Was: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop

2008-09-05 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors
Christian Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 same here - i put freerunner to sleep ('apm -s') when i myself went  

Don't use apm -s directly. Before calling apm -s zhone will ask
frameworkd to do all sorts of setup for proper suspend. If you don't
do these the phone will wake when you e.g. move to different GSM cell.


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Re: Power drain on slee, Was: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop

2008-08-31 Thread Christian Adams
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moinmoin

same here - i put freerunner to sleep ('apm -s') when i myself went  
to bed about 7h ago.
i had to remove/reinsert the battery and insert wall-charger to wake  
fr up again.
(kernel from 2008/08/27)

regards, morlac

Am 28.08.2008 um 21:07 schrieb arne anka:

 is there any difference ?

 afaik only insofar as frameworkd sedates the modem before calling.
 re the draining: there _has_ to be a change in the latest updates.
 i tried to resume my fr a few minutes ago -- and it was stone dead!
 after putting on usb and a second, successful attempt (into 2007.2  
 since
 it is the default) amp said the battery was at 0%!! after only  
 about 13h
 and most of the time suspended.

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Re: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop

2008-08-28 Thread Ganesha Krishna
Thank you Michele and Sebastian, The Right click works and it
completes the desktop functionality for me. I am more than ecstatic
with Debian on Freerunner.
on an off note; I was testing suspend time day before yesterday,
battery 100%, Zhone,xterm,keyboard running(minimum apps I need).
Suspended FR at 3AM. tried to wake it up at 9AM (6hrs). FR battery is
dead. battery reads 3.16V on multimeter. FR refuses to boot/charge the
battery. Had to find a different battery to boot then hot swap the
battery while charging to get back my FR. Lesson learned: Neo likes to
be plugged in when (user is) asleep.

Thanks
-GK

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 This is the Sebastian Ohl patch:

 http://www.ohli.de/download/xserver-xorg-input-tslib_0.0.4-5+fso2_armel.deb

 Remember, than before to restart you have to recalibrate your screen
 downloading http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/freerunner/pointercal in
 /etc/pointercal


 Regards
 Michele Renda

 Ganesha Krishna wrote:
 On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 1:35 PM, Michele Renda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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 To have the right click you can use also the Sebastian tslib patch (is a
  simple deb package to instal).

 I did a quick search of the archives/wiki but could not find a .deb
 package/link. Could some one please point me in the right direction?

 In this way you can simulate the right click pushing the pointer for a
 longer time.
 A right click will be greatly liberating, its a bit claustrophobic without 
 it.
 Michele Renda

 Thanks
 -GK

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Power drain on slee, Was: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop

2008-08-28 Thread Joachim Breitner
HI,

Am Donnerstag, den 28.08.2008, 12:19 +0530 schrieb Ganesha Krishna:
 on an off note; I was testing suspend time day before yesterday,
 battery 100%, Zhone,xterm,keyboard running(minimum apps I need).
 Suspended FR at 3AM. tried to wake it up at 9AM (6hrs). FR battery is
 dead. battery reads 3.16V on multimeter. FR refuses to boot/charge the
 battery. Had to find a different battery to boot then hot swap the
 battery while charging to get back my FR. Lesson learned: Neo likes to
 be plugged in when (user is) asleep.

Quite strange, my Freerunner stays reliably in sleep (unless someone
calls and I don’t notice, of course), and consumes only a reasonable
amount of power – about what Timo reported in the “29 hours in suspend
= 70% battery left” thread.

I use the kernel from 2008-08-05 (too lazy to upgrade). What’s yours?

Greetings,
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Re: Power drain on slee, Was: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop

2008-08-28 Thread Ganesha Krishna
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 6:10 PM, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 on an off note; I was testing suspend time day before yesterday,
 battery 100%, Zhone,xterm,keyboard running(minimum apps I need).
 Suspended FR at 3AM. tried to wake it up at 9AM (6hrs). FR battery is
 dead. battery reads 3.16V on multimeter. FR refuses to boot/charge the
 battery. Had to find a different battery to boot then hot swap the
 battery while charging to get back my FR. Lesson learned: Neo likes to
 be plugged in when (user is) asleep.

 Quite strange, my Freerunner stays reliably in sleep (unless someone
 calls and I don't notice, of course), and consumes only a reasonable
 amount of power – about what Timo reported in the 29 hours in suspend
 = 70% battery left thread.

 I use the kernel from 2008-08-05 (too lazy to upgrade). What's yours?

uname says 2.6.24, I installed Debian last friday night. have not
upgraded since.



 there has to be crucial change in one of the last updates.
 i upgraded tuesday night and seem to see the same problem -- i still use
 the kernel from installation, but the power goes down really quick.
 took it from the charger at about 8:00 and now it is at about 40%, though
 i had it suspending.

There are some (good?) developments to the story. After completely
recharging the battery (100% as shown by the gadget pannel) I put it
to sleep at 2PM, intending to wake it up in 4 hours. The boss calls a
meeting etc etc and I am able look at the FR only at 9PM (7hrs). I
open the FR fully expecting to go thru the hot swap process again BUT,
viola FR wakes up and it still has 48% juice (3.8V open circuit).
   These only difference between this experiment and the 6hrs total
drain is that

Experiment 1: 6 hrs total drain
1. FR has been running, sleeping etc for more than 12 hrs.
2. Was plugged in most of the time.
3. the performance of the phone was already extremely sluggish (due to
long up time ?)
4. battery charged to 100%
5. put to sleep

Experiment 2 : 7hrs and 48% left
1. The battery was totally drained.
2. battery charged to 100% thru AC adapter
3. put to sleep _immedietly_ (* this step could be the key)

Before putting to sleep in exp 1, 'top' had showed 'events/0' taking
upto 60% CPU time averaging around 35 -40%, second in line was python
(I have openmoko-panel-plugin running) at 14% and above.

I am just putting these numbers out, I have not idea if/how these will
have any effect at all on the sleep time.

Thanks,
-GK





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Re: Power drain on slee, Was: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop

2008-08-28 Thread arne anka
 Before putting to sleep

what exactly are you doing when putting to sleep?

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Re: Power drain on slee, Was: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop

2008-08-28 Thread Ganesha Krishna
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 10:10 PM, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Before putting to sleep

 what exactly are you doing when putting to sleep?

Good question, before the power drain experiment, I tried the hold
power button for 2 seconds. that did not work at all (I atributed it
to sluggish UI, hardware stuck some where ('events')). I also have
shell script on desktop that does apm -s. so I ran it to 'put FR to
sleep'. Today Holding down power button for 2 seconds worked. This
difference did not register in my mind until you asked. thanks.
is there any difference ?

I had disabled all radios except GSM in both cases


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Re: Power drain on slee, Was: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop

2008-08-28 Thread arne anka
 is there any difference ?

afaik only insofar as frameworkd sedates the modem before calling.
re the draining: there _has_ to be a change in the latest updates.
i tried to resume my fr a few minutes ago -- and it was stone dead!
after putting on usb and a second, successful attempt (into 2007.2 since  
it is the default) amp said the battery was at 0%!! after only about 13h  
and most of the time suspended.

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Re: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop

2008-08-27 Thread Ganesha Krishna
You can re size the tray by _right clicking_* on the top bar and go to
properties. on one of the tabs there is a minimum size field. it should be
set to 300, change it to some thing smaller (I set it to 200). This should
bring up all the

*_right clicking_ :
We dont have a right click. one can get by most of the GUI without it, but
for situations like this, this is what I do

1. Run keyboard! (Everything will be revealed, just bare with me)
2. go to Xfce menu - settings-mouse settings
3. select Left Handed !  Now all your taps become right clicks, woohoo.
4. Do you right click thing.
5. no tap on Right handed radio button, it gets highlighted
6. click space on the keyboard that you ran in step 1 to select right
handed. we are back to normal

If you have lost the key board in between just tap (Rclick) on the desk top
and xfce menu appears, tap on the menu a couple of times and they do open
submenu and you can run keyboard from under accessories.

  There could be an easier way to do this (of course there is a patch to
enable right click too I think).


Thanks
-GK

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 I think you simply need more space for the trayicon. Move it in a bar
 with more space and you will get all the buttons.


 Michele Renda

 C R McClenaghan wrote:
  Sebastian,
 
  Having started it from the application menu (at first was missing
  python-gtk2) I see only GSM and WiFI icons - no batery, GPS or BT?
  What else do I need to do to get all?
 
  Chris
 
  On Aug 24, 2008, at 10:54 AM, Sebastian Ohl wrote:
 
  On Sun, 2008-08-24 at 19:06 +0200, arne anka wrote:
  uhm, how does one use it?
  It should appear somewhere in your windowmanagers application menu(in
  xfce in submenu other) or you can start it on a console
  via /usr/bin/openmoko-panel-plugin
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Re: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop

2008-08-27 Thread Michele Renda
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To have the right click you can use also the Sebastian tslib patch (is a
 simple deb package to instal).

In this way you can simulate the right click pushing the pointer for a
longer time.

Michele Renda

Ganesha Krishna wrote:
 You can re size the tray by _right clicking_* on the top bar and go to
 properties. on one of the tabs there is a minimum size field. it
 should be set to 300, change it to some thing smaller (I set it to 200).
 This should bring up all the
 
 *_right clicking_ :
 We dont have a right click. one can get by most of the GUI without it,
 but for situations like this, this is what I do
 
 1. Run keyboard! (Everything will be revealed, just bare with me)
 2. go to Xfce menu - settings-mouse settings
 3. select Left Handed !  Now all your taps become right clicks, woohoo.
 4. Do you right click thing.
 5. no tap on Right handed radio button, it gets highlighted
 6. click space on the keyboard that you ran in step 1 to select right
 handed. we are back to normal
 
 If you have lost the key board in between just tap (Rclick) on the desk
 top and xfce menu appears, tap on the menu a couple of times and they do
 open submenu and you can run keyboard from under accessories.
 
   There could be an easier way to do this (of course there is a patch to
 enable right click too I think).
 
 
 Thanks
 -GK
 
 On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 10:20 AM, Michele Renda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I think you simply need more space for the trayicon. Move it in a bar
 with more space and you will get all the buttons.
 
 
 Michele Renda
 
 C R McClenaghan wrote:
 Sebastian,
 
 Having started it from the application menu (at first was missing
 python-gtk2) I see only GSM and WiFI icons - no batery, GPS or BT?
 What else do I need to do to get all?
 
 Chris
 
 On Aug 24, 2008, at 10:54 AM, Sebastian Ohl wrote:
 
 On Sun, 2008-08-24 at 19:06 +0200, arne anka wrote:
 uhm, how does one use it?
 It should appear somewhere in your windowmanagers application menu(in
 xfce in submenu other) or you can start it on a console
 via /usr/bin/openmoko-panel-plugin
 --
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Re: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop

2008-08-27 Thread Sebastian Ohl
Hi,

On Tue, 2008-08-26 at 18:07 -0700, C R McClenaghan wrote:
 Having started it from the application menu (at first was missing  
 python-gtk2) I see only GSM and WiFI icons - no batery, GPS or BT?  
 What else do I need to do to get all?
first, i will take a look a the package dependencies. for the battey etc. 
you may have to many other icons in your panel. the pager applet took a 
lot of space. if there are too many the openmoko panel plugin starts to move
to the right out of the window. but thats no problem with the plugin but
with the plugin mechanism. so try to remove i.e. the pager or make the
tasklist plugin a litte bit smaller.

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Re: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop

2008-08-27 Thread Ganesha Krishna
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 1:35 PM, Michele Renda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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 To have the right click you can use also the Sebastian tslib patch (is a
  simple deb package to instal).

I did a quick search of the archives/wiki but could not find a .deb
package/link. Could some one please point me in the right direction?


 In this way you can simulate the right click pushing the pointer for a
 longer time.
A right click will be greatly liberating, its a bit claustrophobic without it.

 Michele Renda

Thanks
-GK

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Re: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop

2008-08-27 Thread Michele Renda
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This is the Sebastian Ohl patch:

http://www.ohli.de/download/xserver-xorg-input-tslib_0.0.4-5+fso2_armel.deb

Remember, than before to restart you have to recalibrate your screen
downloading http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/freerunner/pointercal in
/etc/pointercal


Regards
Michele Renda

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 To have the right click you can use also the Sebastian tslib patch (is a
  simple deb package to instal).
 
 I did a quick search of the archives/wiki but could not find a .deb
 package/link. Could some one please point me in the right direction?
 
 In this way you can simulate the right click pushing the pointer for a
 longer time.
 A right click will be greatly liberating, its a bit claustrophobic without it.
 Michele Renda
 
 Thanks
 -GK
 
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Re: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop

2008-08-27 Thread Ganesha Krishna
oops! the .deb is right on the top of this thread! sorry (in my
defence, it says left click near the link )

Thanks,
-GK


On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 8:21 PM, Ganesha Krishna
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 On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 1:35 PM, Michele Renda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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 To have the right click you can use also the Sebastian tslib patch (is a
  simple deb package to instal).

 I did a quick search of the archives/wiki but could not find a .deb
 package/link. Could some one please point me in the right direction?


 In this way you can simulate the right click pushing the pointer for a
 longer time.
 A right click will be greatly liberating, its a bit claustrophobic without it.

 Michele Renda

 Thanks
 -GK


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Re: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop

2008-08-27 Thread Michele Renda
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Christian Adams wrote:
 moinmoin
 
 i am running [EMAIL PROTECTED] with xdm/xfce/sebastians tslib-patch and  
 visible cursor on 8G sandisk-SD.
 simple clicks are no problem, but right-click is a little bit tricky  
 sometimes due to the cursor jiggling around the steady stylus aprox  
 5px ..
 
 has someone an idea to stop this jiggling somehow?


I think it can be regulated the tolleance of the right: i remember I
read this value (horizz and vert tollerance) was coded inside the patch.
I think is can be modified!
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Re: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop

2008-08-27 Thread Sebastian Ohl
Hi,

On Wed, 2008-08-27 at 17:43 +0200, Christian Adams wrote:
 i am running [EMAIL PROTECTED] with xdm/xfce/sebastians tslib-patch and  
 visible cursor on 8G sandisk-SD.
 simple clicks are no problem, but right-click is a little bit tricky  
 sometimes due to the cursor jiggling around the steady stylus aprox  
 5px ..
yes there is a threshold where the curser has to stay for a while. it is
4px (as in libgtkstylus).

 has someone an idea to stop this jiggling somehow?
to workaround this by using a higher threshold is no solution. but you
can add a filter plugin to tslib or choose different parameters. there
is already a tslib filter plugin to reduce noise from a touchscreen.

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Re: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop

2008-08-27 Thread Christian Adams
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thanks for hint - will try when at home again later
(found this: http://www.postnuklear.de/xorg-patches ..)

regards, morlac

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 simple clicks are no problem, but right-click is a little bit tricky
 sometimes due to the cursor jiggling around the steady stylus aprox
 5px ..

 has someone an idea to stop this jiggling somehow?


 I think it can be regulated the tolleance of the right: i remember I
 read this value (horizz and vert tollerance) was coded inside the  
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 I think is can be modified!


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Re: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop

2008-08-27 Thread Sebastian Ohl
Hi,

On Wed, 2008-08-27 at 19:29 +0200, Christian Adams wrote:
 and how would i add a filter plugin to tslib?
 i found nothing apropirate on a quick-search ..
http://svn.berlios.de/viewcvs/tslib/trunk/tslib/README?rev=26view=markup

more documentation can be found in the sourcecode of the filter (some
dirs up). they are doing no magic here. may be a more sophisticated
filter(i.e. kalman- or paticlefilter) may be better. the plugin
structure is quite easy but currently i don't have time to code one.
hopefully your problems will be solved by the already available filters.

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Re: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop

2008-08-26 Thread C R McClenaghan
Sebastian,

Having started it from the application menu (at first was missing  
python-gtk2) I see only GSM and WiFI icons - no batery, GPS or BT?  
What else do I need to do to get all?

Chris

On Aug 24, 2008, at 10:54 AM, Sebastian Ohl wrote:

 On Sun, 2008-08-24 at 19:06 +0200, arne anka wrote:
 uhm, how does one use it?
 It should appear somewhere in your windowmanagers application menu(in
 xfce in submenu other) or you can start it on a console
 via /usr/bin/openmoko-panel-plugin
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Re: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop

2008-08-26 Thread xaos x
What windowmanager are you using? Try running it from the command line and see 
if there is any output.

-Tom

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Sebastian,

Having started it from the application menu (at first was missing  
python-gtk2) I see only GSM and WiFI icons - no batery, GPS or BT?  
What else do I need to do to get all?

Chris

On Aug 24, 2008, at 10:54 AM, Sebastian Ohl wrote:

 On Sun, 2008-08-24 at 19:06 +0200, arne anka wrote:
 uhm, how does one use it?
 It should appear somewhere in your windowmanagers application menu(in
 xfce in submenu other) or you can start it on a console
 via /usr/bin/openmoko-panel-plugin
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Re: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop

2008-08-26 Thread Michele Renda
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I think you simply need more space for the trayicon. Move it in a bar
with more space and you will get all the buttons.


Michele Renda

C R McClenaghan wrote:
 Sebastian,
 
 Having started it from the application menu (at first was missing  
 python-gtk2) I see only GSM and WiFI icons - no batery, GPS or BT?  
 What else do I need to do to get all?
 
 Chris
 
 On Aug 24, 2008, at 10:54 AM, Sebastian Ohl wrote:
 
 On Sun, 2008-08-24 at 19:06 +0200, arne anka wrote:
 uhm, how does one use it?
 It should appear somewhere in your windowmanagers application menu(in
 xfce in submenu other) or you can start it on a console
 via /usr/bin/openmoko-panel-plugin
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Re: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop

2008-08-25 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Montag, den 25.08.2008, 17:08 +0200 schrieb Sebastian Ohl:
 Hi,
 On Sun, 2008-08-24 at 17:53 +0200, Joachim Breitner wrote:
  Screenshots!
 http://www.ohli.de/download/openmoko-panel.png
 
  And is this a package suitable for inclusion in the Debian archive? Do
 i hope so *G*
  you want to maintain it yourself, or rather have someone else do it? Is
  there a VCS repository somewhere, or at least the debian source package?
 the source includes the needed debian files. i think i should be able to
 maintain it myself. but so far i've only build packages for our company
 and not for the public debian repo. so i would be fine if someone who
 have experiance with that will take a look.

I had a look and have some comments:

* You have one tarball including the debian/ directory. Although I
personally slightly disagree it is common practice to not include it in
the released tarball, but only in the debian source package, as part of
the diff.gz, bundled by a .dsc.

What I usually do if I’m also the upstream author is that I build the
tarball with tar cfz ../...0.1.tar.gz --exclude debian/, and then run
debuild to get the source and binary package.

* Have a look at the python distutils. This makes it easy to have a
tarball that’s useful for all those non-debian-users. Have a look at how
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/PyPenNotes did it. You can also install
the .desktop file and the pixmaps this way.

* If you have created a setup.py, your debian/ directory will become
very minimal, especially when using debhelper 7. Have a look at 
http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/pypennotes/pypennotes_0.3b-1.dsc

* You have a manual postinst and postrm script, although debhelper
creates these snippets for you. Just remove your script.

* Don’t ship LICENCE (via debian/docs). Rather refer to the GPL in a way
similar to who I did it when packaging pypennotes.


I hope you are not scared by this list :-)

Greetings,
Joachim
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Re: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop

2008-08-24 Thread Sebastian Ohl
Hi,

xaos x and I finished our efforts to create a panel plugin to show you
the power states of the FR hardware components without using zhone. it
should be usable in any gtk based panel (i.e. xfce or gnome) and its
based on the frameworkd dbus infrastructure. with this plugin you can
not just show but also disable or enable the hardware components by
clicking on the icons. the battery state is also displayed.

you can get a debianized version from
http://www.ohli.de/download/openmoko-panel-plugin_0.1-1_all.deb or the
source from
http://www.ohli.de/download/openmoko-panel-plugin_0.1-1.tar.gz

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Re: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop

2008-08-24 Thread Michele Renda
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I will try it now :)

Sebastian Ohl wrote:
 Hi,
 
 xaos x and I finished our efforts to create a panel plugin to show you
 the power states of the FR hardware components without using zhone. it
 should be usable in any gtk based panel (i.e. xfce or gnome) and its
 based on the frameworkd dbus infrastructure. with this plugin you can
 not just show but also disable or enable the hardware components by
 clicking on the icons. the battery state is also displayed.
 
 you can get a debianized version from
 http://www.ohli.de/download/openmoko-panel-plugin_0.1-1_all.deb or the
 source from
 http://www.ohli.de/download/openmoko-panel-plugin_0.1-1.tar.gz
 

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Re: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop

2008-08-24 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi,

Am Sonntag, den 24.08.2008, 17:21 +0200 schrieb Sebastian Ohl:
 xaos x and I finished our efforts to create a panel plugin to show you
 the power states of the FR hardware components without using zhone. it
 should be usable in any gtk based panel (i.e. xfce or gnome) and its
 based on the frameworkd dbus infrastructure. with this plugin you can
 not just show but also disable or enable the hardware components by
 clicking on the icons. the battery state is also displayed.
 
 you can get a debianized version from
 http://www.ohli.de/download/openmoko-panel-plugin_0.1-1_all.deb or the
 source from
 http://www.ohli.de/download/openmoko-panel-plugin_0.1-1.tar.gz

Screenshots!

And is this a package suitable for inclusion in the Debian archive? Do
you want to maintain it yourself, or rather have someone else do it? Is
there a VCS repository somewhere, or at least the debian source package?

Greetings,
Joachim

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Re: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop

2008-08-24 Thread Fox Mulder
It looks really nice. :)

But i would suggest to change the modifier action from one mouse click
to double click. On a touchscreen it is hard to flew over the icons to
show the quicktip and not activate/deactivate the function. This would
also prevent unintentional acivation or deactivation.

Also it would be really nice if the battery popup (after klicking it)
shows the actual state (charging/discharging and actual current) which
is readable from sysfs. At the moment it only shows the actual battery
state in percent when i'm right.

Keep up the good work. That panel was one of the things i was most
missing in debian till now. :)

Ciao,
 Rainer

Sebastian Ohl wrote:
 Hi,
 
 xaos x and I finished our efforts to create a panel plugin to show you
 the power states of the FR hardware components without using zhone. it
 should be usable in any gtk based panel (i.e. xfce or gnome) and its
 based on the frameworkd dbus infrastructure. with this plugin you can
 not just show but also disable or enable the hardware components by
 clicking on the icons. the battery state is also displayed.
 
 you can get a debianized version from
 http://www.ohli.de/download/openmoko-panel-plugin_0.1-1_all.deb or the
 source from
 http://www.ohli.de/download/openmoko-panel-plugin_0.1-1.tar.gz
 

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Re: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop

2008-08-24 Thread arne anka
 xaos x and I finished our efforts to create a panel plugin to show you
 the power states of the FR hardware components without using zhone. it

uhm, how does one use it?

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Re: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop

2008-08-24 Thread Fox Mulder
Here it works withput problems. But it isn't displayed at the bottom
where the other panel aplications show up. It is located in the upper
right at the panel which shows all open applications.

Didn't you get any error messages?

Does the process run at all in the background?


arne anka wrote:
 Just start openmoko-panel-plugin in the console and the status panel
 appears in xfce. :)
 
 that's exactly my problem -- i do but the panel doesnt
 
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Re: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop

2008-08-24 Thread Sebastian Ohl
On Sun, 2008-08-24 at 19:06 +0200, arne anka wrote:
 uhm, how does one use it?
It should appear somewhere in your windowmanagers application menu(in
xfce in submenu other) or you can start it on a console
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Re: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop

2008-08-24 Thread arne anka
 You must to add a tray icon area to panel!

i had -- the problem was simply that i had a task list applet (or whatever  
the proper name is) and the panel does not obviously not resize entries to  
show everything.
after removal of the applet the panel is shown.

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Re: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop

2008-08-21 Thread Christian Adams
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Am 20.08.2008 um 23:30 schrieb Sebastian Ohl:

 Hi,

 On Wed, 2008-08-20 at 14:39 -0400, xaos x wrote:
 I'm currently finishing up a battery power python app for any of  
 the system trays (GNOME, XFCE, etc) so you can see battery power  
 when zhone is either not open, or minimized. I plan on adding  
 phone network status and other information to it as well. I'll  
 post the link here when I'm finished.
 i'm currently doning the same but it's only a xfce panel plugin so you
 can't use it for gnome etc. my program can currently show the  
 status of
 the gps,gsm,bt devices. so i did it the other way around. may be we
 should combine our afforts so we get a faster solution. i think my  
 next
 step would be to build an app to enable or disable the gpsco  
 hardware.

 Yours
  Sebastian Ohl




it would be nice to hear about your progress with this xfce-plugin.

could you send me your actual version?

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Customize Debian image in a mini desktop

2008-08-20 Thread Michele Renda
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Playing with [EMAIL PROTECTED] I flight with some problem, and now, because I
found a solution, I'd like to share with community.


After I installed Debian, it was launching by default zhone. For now I
need more a palm, than a phone so I list here all the changes I made to
make it usable for me. I hope it can be useful for somehone

I installed Debian according the ufficial procedure. Then with
ctrl+alt+x I entered in a terminal.

With these commands (or in a simplier way, with a ssh) I installed these
programs (check internet connectivity)


apt-get install aptitude

aptitude install xfce abiword gnumeric pidgin tangogps gpsd sonata mpd

Then I used the Sebastian Ohl's patch have a left click:

(thank you again Sebastian)

http://www.ohli.de/download/xserver-xorg-input-tslib_0.0.4-5+fso2_armel.deb

after I installed it with:

dpkg --install xserver-xorg-input-tslib_0.0.4-5+fso2_armel.deb

I have also to recalibrate the screen:

wget http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/freerunner/pointercal
mv pointercal /etc/pointercal

Then I liked to start my FR direct in XFCE, without passing by zhone:

Editing /usr/bin/zhone-session

and trasform is something like this:

#!/bin/sh
exec startxfce4 
matchbox-keyboard-toggle 
exec matchbox-window-manager -use_titlebar yes


(the last yes is to have a close button, I like it more :) )


Ps. I think is better to fix the dimension of the font and of the icons
(I have 48)


I took part of the information from the official Debian guide for FR and
from here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manual_Debian (Have a look
there to know how to fix sound and gps, I didn't tried).

I hope it help someone.

Best regards
Michele Renda


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Re: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop

2008-08-20 Thread Michele Renda
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You are very right :)

Before I tried with the shipped SD card (512Mb): I arrived to install
Debian + Pidgin and 3 Mb remaining !!!

So... if someone want to try install a lot of application, I think he
need a bigger micro SD.

I used a 2Gb one (Kingston 12.90 Eur) but I think it can run well also
with a simple 1 GB Micro SD.

Thank you for the precisation!!!

David Samblas wrote:
 Only as an advice to the rest to no be dissapointed like me, Michele's
 intructions are not 512 Sd card compatible ... I have to buy a bigger
 one as soon as posible :)
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Re: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop

2008-08-20 Thread xaos x
Actually, you don't need to launch xfce4-desktop. just launch xfce4-panel, then 
zhone, or vice versa. The onscreen keyboard works *much* better that way.

-Tom

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Playing with [EMAIL PROTECTED] I flight with some problem, and now, because I
found a solution, I'd like to share with community.


After I installed Debian, it was launching by default zhone. For now I
need more a palm, than a phone so I list here all the changes I made to
make it usable for me. I hope it can be useful for somehone

I installed Debian according the ufficial procedure. Then with
ctrl+alt+x I entered in a terminal.

With these commands (or in a simplier way, with a ssh) I installed these
programs (check internet connectivity)


apt-get install aptitude

aptitude install xfce abiword gnumeric pidgin tangogps gpsd sonata mpd

Then I used the Sebastian Ohl's patch have a left click:

(thank you again Sebastian)

http://www.ohli.de/download/xserver-xorg-input-tslib_0.0.4-5+fso2_armel.deb

after I installed it with:

dpkg --install xserver-xorg-input-tslib_0.0.4-5+fso2_armel.deb

I have also to recalibrate the screen:

wget http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/freerunner/pointercal
mv pointercal /etc/pointercal

Then I liked to start my FR direct in XFCE, without passing by zhone:

Editing /usr/bin/zhone-session

and trasform is something like this:

#!/bin/sh
exec startxfce4 
matchbox-keyboard-toggle 
exec matchbox-window-manager -use_titlebar yes


(the last yes is to have a close button, I like it more :) )


Ps. I think is better to fix the dimension of the font and of the icons
(I have 48)


I took part of the information from the official Debian guide for FR and
from here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manual_Debian (Have a look
there to know how to fix sound and gps, I didn't tried).

I hope it help someone.

Best regards
Michele Renda


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Re: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop

2008-08-20 Thread Michele Renda
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With the problem with the onscreen keyboard, I solved keeping the
keyboard closed when booting, and opening it only after the boot.

It is the only little bug I saw until now!

Ps: using Network Nanager 0.6 I am not able to saw neither wifi or usb0
connection.

Someone had success on it? (for usb0 i know thet Network Manager 0.7
support it :)

xaos x wrote:
 Actually, you don't need to launch xfce4-desktop. just launch xfce4-panel, 
 then zhone, or vice versa. The onscreen keyboard works *much* better that way.
 
 -Tom
 
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 From: Michele Renda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 3:28:53 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
 Subject: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop
 
 Playing with [EMAIL PROTECTED] I flight with some problem, and now, because I
 found a solution, I'd like to share with community.
 
 
 After I installed Debian, it was launching by default zhone. For now I
 need more a palm, than a phone so I list here all the changes I made to
 make it usable for me. I hope it can be useful for somehone
 
 I installed Debian according the ufficial procedure. Then with
 ctrl+alt+x I entered in a terminal.
 
 With these commands (or in a simplier way, with a ssh) I installed these
 programs (check internet connectivity)
 
 
 apt-get install aptitude
 
 aptitude install xfce abiword gnumeric pidgin tangogps gpsd sonata mpd
 
 Then I used the Sebastian Ohl's patch have a left click:
 
 (thank you again Sebastian)
 
 http://www.ohli.de/download/xserver-xorg-input-tslib_0.0.4-5+fso2_armel.deb
 
 after I installed it with:
 
 dpkg --install xserver-xorg-input-tslib_0.0.4-5+fso2_armel.deb
 
 I have also to recalibrate the screen:
 
 wget http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/freerunner/pointercal
 mv pointercal /etc/pointercal
 
 Then I liked to start my FR direct in XFCE, without passing by zhone:
 
 Editing /usr/bin/zhone-session
 
 and trasform is something like this:
 
 #!/bin/sh
 exec startxfce4 
 matchbox-keyboard-toggle 
 exec matchbox-window-manager -use_titlebar yes
 
 
 (the last yes is to have a close button, I like it more :) )
 
 
 Ps. I think is better to fix the dimension of the font and of the icons
 (I have 48)
 
 
 I took part of the information from the official Debian guide for FR and
 from here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manual_Debian (Have a look
 there to know how to fix sound and gps, I didn't tried).
 
 I hope it help someone.
 
 Best regards
 Michele Renda
 
 

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Re: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop

2008-08-20 Thread xaos x
I used the network applet and just configured it to see eth0 and ppp0. I'm not 
that interested in seeing IP over USB traffic but you could add that by just 
adding another applet on the taskbar for it.

I'm currently finishing up a battery power python app for any of the system 
trays (GNOME, XFCE, etc) so you can see battery power when zhone is either not 
open, or minimized. I plan on adding phone network status and other information 
to it as well. I'll post the link here when I'm finished.

-Tom

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From: Michele Renda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:10:39 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
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With the problem with the onscreen keyboard, I solved keeping the
keyboard closed when booting, and opening it only after the boot.

It is the only little bug I saw until now!

Ps: using Network Nanager 0.6 I am not able to saw neither wifi or usb0
connection.

Someone had success on it? (for usb0 i know thet Network Manager 0.7
support it :)

xaos x wrote:
 Actually, you don't need to launch xfce4-desktop. just launch xfce4-panel, 
 then zhone, or vice versa. The onscreen keyboard works *much* better that way.
 
 -Tom
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Michele Renda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org
 Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 3:28:53 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
 Subject: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop
 
 Playing with [EMAIL PROTECTED] I flight with some problem, and now, because I
 found a solution, I'd like to share with community.
 
 
 After I installed Debian, it was launching by default zhone. For now I
 need more a palm, than a phone so I list here all the changes I made to
 make it usable for me. I hope it can be useful for somehone
 
 I installed Debian according the ufficial procedure. Then with
 ctrl+alt+x I entered in a terminal.
 
 With these commands (or in a simplier way, with a ssh) I installed these
 programs (check internet connectivity)
 
 
 apt-get install aptitude
 
 aptitude install xfce abiword gnumeric pidgin tangogps gpsd sonata mpd
 
 Then I used the Sebastian Ohl's patch have a left click:
 
 (thank you again Sebastian)
 
 http://www.ohli.de/download/xserver-xorg-input-tslib_0.0.4-5+fso2_armel.deb
 
 after I installed it with:
 
 dpkg --install xserver-xorg-input-tslib_0.0.4-5+fso2_armel.deb
 
 I have also to recalibrate the screen:
 
 wget http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/freerunner/pointercal
 mv pointercal /etc/pointercal
 
 Then I liked to start my FR direct in XFCE, without passing by zhone:
 
 Editing /usr/bin/zhone-session
 
 and trasform is something like this:
 
 #!/bin/sh
 exec startxfce4 
 matchbox-keyboard-toggle 
 exec matchbox-window-manager -use_titlebar yes
 
 
 (the last yes is to have a close button, I like it more :) )
 
 
 Ps. I think is better to fix the dimension of the font and of the icons
 (I have 48)
 
 
 I took part of the information from the official Debian guide for FR and
 from here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manual_Debian (Have a look
 there to know how to fix sound and gps, I didn't tried).
 
 I hope it help someone.
 
 Best regards
 Michele Renda
 
 

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Re: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop

2008-08-20 Thread Michele Renda
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Network manager doesn't show the network traffic, but permit to
open/close the connection.

The version 0.7 (not yet available for Freerunner but available on
Ubuntu) permit to manage wifi network, vpn connection (OpenVpn and Cisco
VPN) ADSL modem (very useful in Italy) USB connection and GPRS/UMTS
connection.

About the program you are writing, keep present my name for beta testing.

Regards
Michele Renda

xaos x wrote:
 I used the network applet and just configured it to see eth0 and ppp0. I'm 
 not that interested in seeing IP over USB traffic but you could add that by 
 just adding another applet on the taskbar for it.
 
 I'm currently finishing up a battery power python app for any of the system 
 trays (GNOME, XFCE, etc) so you can see battery power when zhone is either 
 not open, or minimized. I plan on adding phone network status and other 
 information to it as well. I'll post the link here when I'm finished.
 
 -Tom
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Michele Renda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org
 Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:10:39 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
 Subject: Re: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop
 
 With the problem with the onscreen keyboard, I solved keeping the
 keyboard closed when booting, and opening it only after the boot.
 
 It is the only little bug I saw until now!
 
 Ps: using Network Nanager 0.6 I am not able to saw neither wifi or usb0
 connection.
 
 Someone had success on it? (for usb0 i know thet Network Manager 0.7
 support it :)
 
 xaos x wrote:
 Actually, you don't need to launch xfce4-desktop. just launch xfce4-panel, 
 then zhone, or vice versa. The onscreen keyboard works *much* better that 
 way.
 
 -Tom
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Michele Renda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org
 Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 3:28:53 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
 Subject: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop
 
 Playing with [EMAIL PROTECTED] I flight with some problem, and now, because I
 found a solution, I'd like to share with community.
 
 
 After I installed Debian, it was launching by default zhone. For now I
 need more a palm, than a phone so I list here all the changes I made to
 make it usable for me. I hope it can be useful for somehone
 
 I installed Debian according the ufficial procedure. Then with
 ctrl+alt+x I entered in a terminal.
 
 With these commands (or in a simplier way, with a ssh) I installed these
 programs (check internet connectivity)
 
 
 apt-get install aptitude
 
 aptitude install xfce abiword gnumeric pidgin tangogps gpsd sonata mpd
 
 Then I used the Sebastian Ohl's patch have a left click:
 
 (thank you again Sebastian)
 
 http://www.ohli.de/download/xserver-xorg-input-tslib_0.0.4-5+fso2_armel.deb
 
 after I installed it with:
 
 dpkg --install xserver-xorg-input-tslib_0.0.4-5+fso2_armel.deb
 
 I have also to recalibrate the screen:
 
 wget http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/freerunner/pointercal
 mv pointercal /etc/pointercal
 
 Then I liked to start my FR direct in XFCE, without passing by zhone:
 
 Editing /usr/bin/zhone-session
 
 and trasform is something like this:
 
 #!/bin/sh
 exec startxfce4 
 matchbox-keyboard-toggle 
 exec matchbox-window-manager -use_titlebar yes
 
 
 (the last yes is to have a close button, I like it more :) )
 
 
 Ps. I think is better to fix the dimension of the font and of the icons
 (I have 48)
 
 
 I took part of the information from the official Debian guide for FR and
 from here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manual_Debian (Have a look
 there to know how to fix sound and gps, I didn't tried).
 
 I hope it help someone.
 
 Best regards
 Michele Renda
 
 
 
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Re: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop

2008-08-20 Thread Sebastian Ohl
Hi,
On Wed, 2008-08-20 at 21:25 +0200, Michele Renda wrote:
 Network manager doesn't show the network traffic, but permit to
 open/close the connection.
i'm managing my wifi connections with wifi-radar. it works very well but
you have to do some changes to the source because some of the options
set by wifimanager will fail with the openmoko wifi card.
-- 
Yours
 Sebastian Ohl



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Re: Customize Debian image in a mini desktop

2008-08-20 Thread Sebastian Ohl
Hi,

On Wed, 2008-08-20 at 14:39 -0400, xaos x wrote:
 I'm currently finishing up a battery power python app for any of the system 
 trays (GNOME, XFCE, etc) so you can see battery power when zhone is either 
 not open, or minimized. I plan on adding phone network status and other 
 information to it as well. I'll post the link here when I'm finished.
i'm currently doning the same but it's only a xfce panel plugin so you
can't use it for gnome etc. my program can currently show the status of
the gps,gsm,bt devices. so i did it the other way around. may be we
should combine our afforts so we get a faster solution. i think my next
step would be to build an app to enable or disable the gpsco hardware.

Yours 
 Sebastian Ohl


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