Re: France : Taxes for video and mp3 playing capacity

2008-01-25 Thread Steven Le Roux
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 10:16:37 +0100, Etienne Labaume [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Selon Steven Le Roux [EMAIL PROTECTED]: No direspect or anything but that's probably the dumbest tax I've ever heard of. Probably France is the dumbest country right now about taxes and other stupid stuff...

Re: France : Taxes for video and mp3 playing capacity

2008-01-25 Thread Florent
No direspect or anything but that's probably the dumbest tax I've ever heard of. Don't worry, French geeks are pissed off as well Yeah, almost every tax talked about in this thread exists in France. But how do we avoid the Neo to be taxable ? As said, if you don't sell the phone with an

Re: France : Taxes for video and mp3 playing capacity / Switzerland too

2008-01-25 Thread Alexandre Ghisoli
Le vendredi 25 janvier 2008 à 10:37 +0100, Steven Le Roux a écrit : On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 10:16:37 +0100, Etienne Labaume [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Selon Steven Le Roux [EMAIL PROTECTED]: No direspect or anything but that's probably the dumbest tax I've ever heard of. Probably

Re: France : Taxes for video and mp3 playing capacity

2008-01-25 Thread Stefano Cavallari
On Friday 25 January 2008 01:00:06 Fabian Olesen wrote: this will not work in denmark, because the phone will be deemed capable of doing it. Why? The phone itself isn't capable to play anything until you add the software. It has a stereo audio circuitry, but it could be used just to listen and

Re: France : Taxes for video and mp3 playing capacity

2008-01-25 Thread Sébastien Lorquet
One of the dumbest tax we have here France is about multimedia hard drives, defined as an external hard drive (with usb) with a video output connecting to a tv without the use of a computer. There is a tax on these devices. But no (or less) tax on raw HDDs And no tax on empty hdd racks with video

Re: France : Taxes for video and mp3 playing capacity

2008-01-25 Thread Steven Le Roux
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 10:00:58 -0500, Colan Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I definitely don't think FIC (or now Openmoko) should include the cost (if there is one) of the licence to play MP3s. I don't want to pay that, and I don't think anyone else should either. I'm happy with just Ogg

Re: France : Taxes for video and mp3 playing capacity

2008-01-25 Thread Colan Schwartz
On Fri, Jan 25, 2008 at 12:57:05PM +0100, Stefano Cavallari wrote: I'd like FIC to sell mp3 software including in the cost the license to play mp3, along adding a notice (for the countries which need it) that the phone isn't licensed to play music and that if needed the support must be bought

Re: France : Taxes for video and mp3 playing capacity

2008-01-25 Thread Stefano Cavallari
On Friday 25 January 2008 16:00:58 Colan Schwartz wrote: I definitely don't think FIC (or now Openmoko) should include the cost (if there is one) of the licence to play MP3s. I don't want to pay that, and I don't think anyone else should either. I'm happy with just Ogg and FLAC files.

Re: France : Taxes for video and mp3 playing capacity

2008-01-25 Thread herve couvelard
And I really like that speeding ticket analogy. This tax that assumes guilt is insane. I don't understand how modern democratic justice systems can tolerate it. Well, modern democratic justice is money, but that's another war. ;-) ___ OpenMoko

Re: France : Taxes for video and mp3 playing capacity

2008-01-25 Thread Stefano Cavallari
On Friday 25 January 2008 16:14:17 Stefano Cavallari wrote: On Friday 25 January 2008 16:00:58 Colan Schwartz wrote: I definitely don't think FIC (or now Openmoko) should include the cost (if there is one) of the licence to play MP3s. I don't want to pay that, and I don't think anyone else

Re: France : Taxes for video and mp3 playing capacity

2008-01-25 Thread Alejandro Enrique
Ok, add Spain to the list of countries in which this tax exists. So far we have this tax in CD, DVD, Hard Drives, USB memories, MP3 and MP4 players, MP3 playing mobiles, photocopiers, scanners, printers, memory cards... And they even want to extent this to everything that can be used to copy

France : Taxes for video and mp3 playing capacity

2008-01-24 Thread Steven Le Roux
Hi all, According to this (http://www.pcinpact.com/actu/news/41415-iphone-ipod-taxe-commission-dalbis-copie-pri.htm french speaking) France is about to taxe smartphone which provide 3 features : - At least 128mo internal memory (neo will have 256) - at least one touch/key dedicated to audio

Re: France : Taxes for video and mp3 playing capacity

2008-01-24 Thread Alexey Feldgendler
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 00:07:23 +0100, Steven Le Roux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: France is about to taxe smartphone which provide 3 features : - At least 128mo internal memory (neo will have 256) - at least one touch/key dedicated to audio playing (what about a touchscreen ?) - mp3 or video

Re: France : Taxes for video and mp3 playing capacity

2008-01-24 Thread Steven Le Roux
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 00:19:46 +0100, Alexey Feldgendler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 00:07:23 +0100, Steven Le Roux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: France is about to taxe smartphone which provide 3 features : - At least 128mo internal memory (neo will have 256) - at least one

Re: France : Taxes for video and mp3 playing capacity

2008-01-24 Thread Richard Reichenbacher
No direspect or anything but that's probably the dumbest tax I've ever heard of. On Jan 24, 2008, at 4:34 PM, Steven Le Roux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 00:19:46 +0100, Alexey Feldgendler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 00:07:23 +0100, Steven Le Roux [EMAIL

Re: France : Taxes for video and mp3 playing capacity

2008-01-24 Thread Tim Erwin
France is about to taxe smartphone which provide 3 features : - At least 128mo internal memory (neo will have 256) - at least one touch/key dedicated to audio playing (what about a touchscreen ?) - mp3 or video playing Can this be worked around by not shipping the neo with mp3 or video

Re: France : Taxes for video and mp3 playing capacity

2008-01-24 Thread Richard Reichenbacher
Sent from my iPhone On Jan 24, 2008, at 4:34 PM, Steven Le Roux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 00:19:46 +0100, Alexey Feldgendler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 00:07:23 +0100, Steven Le Roux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: France is about to taxe smartphone which

Re: France : Taxes for video and mp3 playing capacity

2008-01-24 Thread Fabian Olesen
well, in denmark we pay a license to be able to watch the national tv, and listen to national radio stations, but they did decide that it now had to be a media license, because it was possible to listen to them online, and see different programmes online, so now if you have a computer, but no tv,

Re: France : Taxes for video and mp3 playing capacity

2008-01-24 Thread Fabian Olesen
this will not work in denmark, because the phone will be deemed capable of doing it. On Jan 25, 2008 12:51 AM, Tim Erwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: France is about to taxe smartphone which provide 3 features : - At least 128mo internal memory (neo will have 256) - at least one touch/key

Re: France : Taxes for video and mp3 playing capacity

2008-01-24 Thread Schmidt András
Richard Reichenbacher wrote: No direspect or anything but that's probably the dumbest tax I've ever heard of. In Hungary there is tax on every _empty_ Compact Disc and DVD. The concept is that you will store warez mp3 on them. So when I archive my personal photos or software projects I pay

Re: France : Taxes for video and mp3 playing capacity

2008-01-24 Thread ian douglas
The speedometer on my Volkswagen says my 10-year old Passat is capable of driving 160mph, but doesn't mean I should have to pay a speeding ticket as though I do. I concur, these tax laws are silly business. I was glad to hear that Canada shut down the DRM tax that some group was trying to get

Re: France : Taxes for video and mp3 playing capacity

2008-01-24 Thread Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano
Schmidt András ha scritto: Richard Reichenbacher wrote: No direspect or anything but that's probably the dumbest tax I've ever heard of. In Hungary there is tax on every _empty_ Compact Disc and DVD. The concept is that you will store warez mp3 on them. So when I archive my personal photos

Re: France : Taxes for video and mp3 playing capacity

2008-01-24 Thread Steven Le Roux
On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 16:43:10 -0700, Richard Reichenbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No direspect or anything but that's probably the dumbest tax I've ever heard of. Probably France is the dumbest country right now about taxes and other stupid stuff... This is an other debate ) -- Steven