Re: GTA03 - buttons or touchscreen
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 11:05:53AM +0100, arne anka wrote: With the risk of being completely OT - you all know that the QWERTY keyboard was designed for the specific purpose of not having the hammers of the typewriter clash if you type too fast ? There's nothing very ergonomical about them. In that perspective, qwerty layouts have been legacy since the 70s. that's totally nonsense -- and it doesn't get any less preposterous by permanently repating that myth ... Quoth Wikipedia -- The QWERTY keyboard layout was devised and created in the early 1870s by Christopher Sholes, a newspaper editor and printer who lived in Milwaukee. With the assistance of his friends Carlos Glidden and Samuel W. Soule he built an early writing machine for which a patent application was filed in October 1867.[3] His Type Writer had its printing point located beneath the paper carriage, and so was invisible to the operator. Consequently, the tendency of the typebars to clash and jam if struck in rapid succession was a particularly serious problem, in that the mishap would only be discovered when the typist raised the carriage to inspect what had been typed.[4] Sholes struggled for the next six years to perfect his invention, making many trial-and-error rearrangements of the original machine's alphabetical key arrangement in an effort to reduce the frequency of typebar clashes. Eventually he arrived at a four-row, upper case keyboard approaching the modern QWERTY standard. Yair. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA03 - buttons or touchscreen
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 01:56:26PM +0100, arne anka wrote: Quoth Wikipedia -- so, wikipedia is the source of TRUTH(TM) now? No, but it's an excellent cache for it. Try to find a better verified one with comparable levels of accessibility and breadth. btw, if you read correctly you would have noticed that the machine being prone to jam was a distinctly different concept than thos we know today. Which is why pike called it 'legacy'. If you haven't called something you basically agree with 'nonsense' I probably wouldn't have bothered with the quote. all i am saying is: if you don't like qwert[y|z] don't use it -- it's a pure matter of taste, not some sinister plot to cripple users ... Not a plot but a de facto standard that is hard to avoid. You can't assume users to be familiar with anything else or to habituate themselves to a new input method. On the FR I plan to use the Twiddler chording keyboard (see http://handykey.com), but like most people who already know qwerty and need to use other people's computers occasionally, the initial effort of learning a better method and the ongoing price of having to continuously switch between them are simply excessive. Yair. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Less bulky would be nice. KB would be nice. To be able to phone with it would also be nice. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA03 - buttons or touchscreen
With the risk of being completely OT - you all know that the QWERTY keyboard was designed for the specific purpose of not having the hammers of the typewriter clash if you type too fast ? There's nothing very ergonomical about them. In that perspective, qwerty layouts have been legacy since the 70s. that's totally nonsense -- and it doesn't get any less preposterous by permanently repating that myth ... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA03 - buttons or touchscreen
Jelle De Loecker wrote: Dale Maggee schreef: Jelle De Loecker wrote: I wonder if most people's need for a physical keyboard is a consequence of the GTA02's small screen. (Well, it's too small to use as a screen AND a keyboard at the same time, I think) Just make the screen big enough to use the virtual keyboard easily, I think the iPhone proved it can work this way. For me, adding a keyboard will just add more bagage to the phone which I really do not want. /Met vriendelijke groeten,/ *Jelle De Loecker* Kipdola Studios - Tomberg The reason I want a physical keyboard is because I much prefer a keyboard with tactile feedback - you can feel the button, and you can feel it click down when you press it. Tactile feedback makes typing both faster and more accurate. These are things which a soft keyboard can never hope to provide. That's very true, and I did take it into consideration. (It also made me think of some technology which WOULD supply tactile feedback through touchscreens, something I read about a while ago and found again here: http://www.redferret.net/?p=9533 ) Anyway, I understand why you would prefer a keyboard, but I do not believe it can be made big enough for the GTA03 while not hindering the aesthetics of the device. That's an interesting article you pointed me to, but unfortunately it's only half way there - the ability to feel the key is probably more important than the 'click' feeling. A key has edges, and the feel of the key under your finger means you don't have to be looking at the keyboard to be able to type. Again, a soft keyboard can never achieve this. example: http://www.imate-shop.com/images/MOB0450a.jpg granted, we have a bigger screen, but there's no reason why the keyboard couldn't fold out from somewhere. I'm not really interested in what it looks like, I'll take functional over asthetically pleasing any day. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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3 JW wrote: Ok Community, vote and tell OM what you want for the next phone [also realise this is still a long time away and Freerunner is available to buy now!] 1) touchscreen (no qwerty buttons) - freerunner, HTC Orbit, iphone 2) qwerty keyboard and tracker ball - blackberry curve 3) combination touchscreen plus qwerty - G1 *** Please don't write endless pages about why - just indicate which one YOU want. *** For myself my vote is 1) no, my HTC orbit experience was horrible (yes, i realise there are better) 2) yes, my preferred user input method - intuitive, fast, flexible 3) no, i think combo is too much to ask from OM right now ciao JW ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Dale Maggee wrote: definitely 3) qwerty + touchscreen This shouldn't be too hard to do, I don't think it's too much to ask of OM - surely the keyboard could be a built-in USB keyboard, which would mean that all the software etc is already there. All we'd need is a way to disable the on-screen keyboard, something we'll want for bluetooth/USB keyboards on the GTA02 anyway... Illume already does this. IIRC if anything appears as a keyboard under hal the onscreen keyboard is not shown. It certainly works for bluetooth and usb keyboards. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Jelle De Loecker [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I wonder if most people's need for a physical keyboard is a consequence of the GTA02's small screen. (Well, it's too small to use as a screen AND a keyboard at the same time, I think) No I just prefer real keyboards over touch screen keyboards (by about 1000X). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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important than the 'click' feeling. A key has edges, and the feel of the key under your finger means you don't have to be looking at the keyboard to be able to type. Again, a soft keyboard can never achieve this. How about having the keyboard on one side and the screen on the other? Since you don't have to look at the keyboard to use it, that should be fine. Stefan Who incidentally still needs to look at his keyboard ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Another option could be a simple flip phone with the standard telephone keypad. Also, the demographic on the mailing list may be different from the demographic of openmoko's target market(s), so this vote might not be useful for them. Despite that, I vote #3 and I would like a 'right click' ability too. The combination would facilitate straight ports and standard window managers. On Saturday 25 October 2008 12:39:18 you wrote: Ok Community, vote and tell OM what you want for the next phone [also realise this is still a long time away and Freerunner is available to buy now!] 1) touchscreen (no qwerty buttons) - freerunner, HTC Orbit, iphone 2) qwerty keyboard and tracker ball - blackberry curve 3) combination touchscreen plus qwerty - G1 *** Please don't write endless pages about why - just indicate which one YOU want. *** For myself my vote is 1) no, my HTC orbit experience was horrible (yes, i realise there are better) 2) yes, my preferred user input method - intuitive, fast, flexible 3) no, i think combo is too much to ask from OM right now ciao JW ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Daniel Benoy http://daniel.benoy.name ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 8:39 PM, JW [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) touchscreen (no qwerty buttons) - freerunner, HTC Orbit, iphone 2) qwerty keyboard and tracker ball - blackberry curve 3) combination touchscreen plus qwerty - G1 In the order of preference - (3), (1). But, sure, only when normal interface for finger use will appear for FR. -- Regards, Alexander Chemeris. SIPez LLC. SIP VoIP, IM and Presence Consulting http://www.SIPez.com tel: +1 (617) 273-4000 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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#1 no frame around the screen. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/GTA03---buttons-or-touchscreen-tp1376109p1383464.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 15:51, Dareus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: #1 no frame around the screen. The same, #1 without frames, like iPhone Levy 'Lewis' S. Google Talk! [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ 12913566 MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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3) combination touchscreen plus qwerty - G1 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Saturday 25 October 2008 17:39:18 JW wrote: vote and tell OM what you want for the next phone 1) touchscreen (no qwerty buttons) - freerunner, HTC Orbit, iphone 2) qwerty keyboard and tracker ball - blackberry curve 3) combination touchscreen plus qwerty - G1 As others have said, lets not complicate the situation for software authors by radically changing the input methods. For this reason, I think the touch screen has to stay. Having said that I think input would be a lot easier if we had a few extra hardware buttons. In order of preference Option 1: Touchscreen. It would be nice though if we had a few extra buttons though. I suggest a joystick or mini trackball below the screen and a couple of soft keys on either side. Option 3: Touchscreen + Mini qwerty. The problem with this idea is that a small query is very hard to type on, and a big one will take a lot of screen real estate. The way I see it the only way a query keyboard can be incorporated into a future Openmoko device without compromising the screen is to make it slide out from the back like the Nokia N810. The problem with that is it will increase the bulk and cost by to much. Perhaps a better solution would be to have a small numeric keypad that won't take much room. Option 2: Mini Qwerty, no Touchscreen I HATE this idea, because it will make all existing Openmoko software incompatible. Please don't take this route. -- David Pottage ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Think of it this way - buttons or softkeyboards or touchscreens are just another input method - which we already have a choice of and methods to change so the only real impact on the coders should be the expansion of options. The real concern is cost - things like a treo keyboard are not cheap Having used a treo for the last 3 years, the freerunner is the first complex touchscreen phone I have used and its basicly a failure in relative terms compared to input on a smartphone. While some things like the terminal keyboard (and how I wish I could permanently disable that @##$$% dictionary rubbish) could be fixed in software, its the softkey approach thats flawed. BillK On Sun, 2008-10-26 at 11:15 +0100, David Pottage wrote: On Saturday 25 October 2008 17:39:18 JW wrote: vote and tell OM what you want for the next phone 1) touchscreen (no qwerty buttons) - freerunner, HTC Orbit, iphone 2) qwerty keyboard and tracker ball - blackberry curve 3) combination touchscreen plus qwerty - G1 As others have said, lets not complicate the situation for software authors by radically changing the input methods. For this reason, I think the touch screen has to stay. Having said that I think input would be a lot easier if we had a few extra hardware buttons. In order of preference Option 1: Touchscreen. It would be nice though if we had a few extra buttons though. I suggest a joystick or mini trackball below the screen and a couple of soft keys on either side. Option 3: Touchscreen + Mini qwerty. The problem with this idea is that a small query is very hard to type on, and a big one will take a lot of screen real estate. The way I see it the only way a query keyboard can be incorporated into a future Openmoko device without compromising the screen is to make it slide out from the back like the Nokia N810. The problem with that is it will increase the bulk and cost by to much. Perhaps a better solution would be to have a small numeric keypad that won't take much room. Option 2: Mini Qwerty, no Touchscreen I HATE this idea, because it will make all existing Openmoko software incompatible. Please don't take this route. -- William Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home in Perth! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Am Sunday 26 October 2008 11:26:48 schrieb William Kenworthy: (and how I wish I could permanently disable that @##$$% dictionary rubbish) You're so right! If it only had some german dictionary, now I'm somehow forced to name my calendar entries in english... *g* -Marcel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 07:26:48PM +0900, William Kenworthy wrote: While some things like the terminal keyboard (and how I wish I could permanently disable that @##$$% dictionary rubbish) could be fixed in software, its the softkey approach thats flawed. Replace with a better one, create a new one (which I did for Portuguese)... http://blog.1407.org/2008/10/13/portuguese-dictionary-for-openmokos-illume-keyboard/ ... or simply remove the rubish files from... /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/dicts Understanding how it works is also good, I hated it before I understood how it works, and now I almost love it :) Hope this helps! Rui -- Pzat! Today is Prickle-Prickle, the 7th day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3174 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 11:37:45AM +0100, Marcel wrote: Am Sunday 26 October 2008 11:26:48 schrieb William Kenworthy: (and how I wish I could permanently disable that @##$$% dictionary rubbish) You're so right! If it only had some german dictionary, now I'm somehow forced to name my calendar entries in english... *g* Get a german wordlist with frequency data: word1 2343 word2 123 ... Put it into a text file called: German.dic into /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/dicts Rui -- All Hail Discordia! Today is Prickle-Prickle, the 7th day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3174 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Hi all, my vote - number one; and in order of preference; 1) touchscreen (no qwerty buttons) 3) combination touchscreen plus qwerty 2) qwerty keyboard and tracker ball On 26/10/2008, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 11:37:45AM +0100, Marcel wrote: Am Sunday 26 October 2008 11:26:48 schrieb William Kenworthy: (and how I wish I could permanently disable that @##$$% dictionary rubbish) You're so right! If it only had some german dictionary, now I'm somehow forced to name my calendar entries in english... *g* Get a german wordlist with frequency data: word1 2343 word2 123 ... Put it into a text file called: German.dic into /usr/lib/enlightenment/modules/illume/dicts Rui -- All Hail Discordia! Today is Prickle-Prickle, the 7th day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3174 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Russ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 2:39 AM, JW [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok Community, vote and tell OM what you want for the next phone [also realise this is still a long time away and Freerunner is available to buy now!] 1) touchscreen (no qwerty buttons) - freerunner, HTC Orbit, iphone 2) qwerty keyboard and tracker ball - blackberry curve 3) combination touchscreen plus qwerty - G1 Definitely 1, maximise screen space, remove bevel on edges cheers Denis ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Big enough touch screen (for finger-friendly keyboard) + some more buttons (for menu navigation or games) - like on HP iPAQs. This is basically 2). 2) qwerty keyboard and tracker ball - blackberry curve -- Ing. Radek Bartoň Faculty of Information Technology Department of Computer Graphics and Multimedia Brno University of Technology E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://blackhex.no-ip.org Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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2008/10/26 Radek Bartoň [EMAIL PROTECTED] Big enough touch screen (for finger-friendly keyboard) + some more buttons (for menu navigation or games) - like on HP iPAQs. This is basically 2). +1 as this will help in using the device with only one hand, actually is it not so easy with only the ts. Nicola ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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big touchscreen without borders and a few hw buttons ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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I wonder if most people's need for a physical keyboard is a consequence of the GTA02's small screen. (Well, it's too small to use as a screen AND a keyboard at the same time, I think) Just make the screen big enough to use the virtual keyboard easily, I think the iPhone proved it can work this way. For me, adding a keyboard will just add more bagage to the phone which I really do not want. /Met vriendelijke groeten,/ *Jelle De Loecker* Kipdola Studios - Tomberg JW schreef: Ok Community, vote and tell OM what you want for the next phone [also realise this is still a long time away and Freerunner is available to buy now!] 1) touchscreen (no qwerty buttons) - freerunner, HTC Orbit, iphone 2) qwerty keyboard and tracker ball - blackberry curve 3) combination touchscreen plus qwerty - G1 *** Please don't write endless pages about why - just indicate which one YOU want. *** For myself my vote is 1) no, my HTC orbit experience was horrible (yes, i realise there are better) 2) yes, my preferred user input method - intuitive, fast, flexible 3) no, i think combo is too much to ask from OM right now ciao JW ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA03 - buttons or touchscreen
On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 12:39 PM, JW [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) touchscreen (no qwerty buttons) - freerunner, HTC Orbit, iphone 2) qwerty keyboard and tracker ball - blackberry curve 3) combination touchscreen plus qwerty - G1 I vote (1) touchscreen. It would also be nice to change the AUX button into a jog dial. In addition to being pressed like the current AUX button, a jog dial could also be used to volume control in phone calls and media playback (also play/pause), scrolling through lists, and a host of other things. -Charles ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Jelle De Loecker wrote: I wonder if most people's need for a physical keyboard is a consequence of the GTA02's small screen. (Well, it's too small to use as a screen AND a keyboard at the same time, I think) Just make the screen big enough to use the virtual keyboard easily, I think the iPhone proved it can work this way. For me, adding a keyboard will just add more bagage to the phone which I really do not want. /Met vriendelijke groeten,/ *Jelle De Loecker* Kipdola Studios - Tomberg The reason I want a physical keyboard is because I much prefer a keyboard with tactile feedback - you can feel the button, and you can feel it click down when you press it. Tactile feedback makes typing both faster and more accurate. These are things which a soft keyboard can never hope to provide. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Sun, 26 Oct 2008 20:43:12 +0100, Jelle De Loecker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder if most people's need for a physical keyboard is a consequence of the GTA02's small screen. (Well, it's too small to use as a screen AND a keyboard at the same time, I think) Just make the screen big enough to use the virtual keyboard easily, I think the iPhone proved it can work this way. For me, adding a keyboard will just add more bagage to the phone which I really do not want. Agreed. Although I realize it would NOT appeal to many, my ideal FreeRunner would be at most half as thick but with a 4-5 diagonal screen, touchscreen-only with hardware keyboard (as now) possible via USB or bluetooth. (but replace aux button with a wheel or a touchstrip) A pocket tablet or slate, if you will. But it's vital to keep in mind that GTA04 (GTA03 design is apparently pretty well set now, AFAIK, at least at the level of keyboard/nokeyboard) will quite possibly be targeted to a more consumer-level user, meaning that the average participant on this list is NOT the target buyer. (IOW, you're probably asking the wrong people ;) j ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Hi The reason I want a physical keyboard is because I much prefer a keyboard with tactile feedback - you can feel the button, and you can feel it click down when you press it. With the risk of being completely OT - you all know that the QWERTY keyboard was designed for the specific purpose of not having the hammers of the typewriter clash if you type too fast ? There's nothing very ergonomical about them. In that perspective, qwerty layouts have been legacy since the 70s. We have new tools, now we need new ways of writing. I'm very curious how quikwriting will evolve, or gestures ... my vote: QWO around the corners of the screen. typing input changes focus to qwo, so you can scratch all over the screen, and when you're done focus returns to the application. no screen estate lost :-) ehm, make that GTA09. $2c, *-pike ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Dale Maggee schreef: Jelle De Loecker wrote: I wonder if most people's need for a physical keyboard is a consequence of the GTA02's small screen. (Well, it's too small to use as a screen AND a keyboard at the same time, I think) Just make the screen big enough to use the virtual keyboard easily, I think the iPhone proved it can work this way. For me, adding a keyboard will just add more bagage to the phone which I really do not want. /Met vriendelijke groeten,/ *Jelle De Loecker* Kipdola Studios - Tomberg The reason I want a physical keyboard is because I much prefer a keyboard with tactile feedback - you can feel the button, and you can feel it click down when you press it. Tactile feedback makes typing both faster and more accurate. These are things which a soft keyboard can never hope to provide. That's very true, and I did take it into consideration. (It also made me think of some technology which WOULD supply tactile feedback through touchscreens, something I read about a while ago and found again here: http://www.redferret.net/?p=9533 ) Anyway, I understand why you would prefer a keyboard, but I do not believe it can be made big enough for the GTA03 while not hindering the aesthetics of the device. /Met vriendelijke groeten,/ *Jelle De Loecker* Kipdola Studios - Tomberg ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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JW wrote: Ok Community, vote and tell OM what you want for the next phone 1) touchscreen (no qwerty buttons) - freerunner, HTC Orbit, iphone 2) qwerty keyboard and tracker ball - blackberry curve 3) combination touchscreen plus qwerty - G1 if (SizeOf(GTA03-screen) SizeOf(GTA02-screen) !hasHigBorders(GTA03-cover)) vote(1); else vote(3); ;) -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Sunday 26 October 2008 pike wrote: Hi The reason I want a physical keyboard is because I much prefer a keyboard with tactile feedback - you can feel the button, and you can feel it click down when you press it. With the risk of being completely OT - you all know that the QWERTY keyboard was designed for the specific purpose of not having the hammers of the typewriter clash if you type too fast ? There's nothing very ergonomical about them. In that perspective, qwerty layouts have been legacy since the 70s. Yup, acutely aware of this, and also of the fact that i personally find it much more difficult to move one finger a short distance than i find it to press two fingers in sequence. So... yeah, the guys that designed the qwerty keyboard with slowing people down in mind kinda shot themselves in the feet on that one ;) (que the responses from the dvorak crowd ;) ) ..Dan // Leinir.. http://leinir.dk/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Ok Community, vote and tell OM what you want for the next phone [also realise this is still a long time away and Freerunner is available to buy now!] 1) touchscreen (no qwerty buttons) - freerunner, HTC Orbit, iphone 2) qwerty keyboard and tracker ball - blackberry curve 3) combination touchscreen plus qwerty - G1 *** Please don't write endless pages about why - just indicate which one YOU want. *** For myself my vote is 1) no, my HTC orbit experience was horrible (yes, i realise there are better) 2) yes, my preferred user input method - intuitive, fast, flexible 3) no, i think combo is too much to ask from OM right now ciao JW ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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1) touchscreen (no qwerty buttons) - freerunner, HTC Orbit, iphone 2) qwerty keyboard and tracker ball - blackberry curve 3) combination touchscreen plus qwerty - G1 4) 5-way-rocker switch (maybe with two softkeys left and right) -- palm pda the only thing i miss right now (maybe someone figures out a hardware mod to th freerunner -- internal usb or bluetooth? it could live where the lanyard hole is) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Am Samstag, 25. Oktober 2008 schrieb JW: Ok Community, vote and tell OM what you want for the next phone [also realise this is still a long time away and Freerunner is available to buy now!] 1) touchscreen (no qwerty buttons) - freerunner, HTC Orbit, iphone 2) qwerty keyboard and tracker ball - blackberry curve 3) combination touchscreen plus qwerty - G1 I like version 1, but with no hig border around the display, as the FreeRunner has. I would like it as the iPhone. 1) yes 2) no 3) no be blessed Natanael -- Web: http://natanael.comiles.eu E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber/XMPP: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 168210209 Skype: white_gecko ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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3) combination touchscreen plus qwerty - G1 -- hiciu ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Wiadomość Oryginalna Od: JW [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do: community@lists.openmoko.org Data: 25 października 2008 18:39 Temat: GTA03 - buttons or touchscreen Ok Community, vote and tell OM what you want for the next phone [also realise this is still a long time away and Freerunner is available to buy now!] 1) touchscreen (no qwerty buttons) - freerunner, HTC Orbit, iphone 2) qwerty keyboard and tracker ball - blackberry curve 3) combination touchscreen plus qwerty - G1 *** Please don't write endless pages about why - just indicate which one YOU want. *** For myself my vote is 1) no, my HTC orbit experience was horrible (yes, i realise there are better) 2) yes, my preferred user input method - intuitive, fast, flexible 3) no, i think combo is too much to ask from OM right now ciao JW ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community In order of preference: combo keyboard touchscreen Tactile feedback doesn't need so much focus on the things done and is also more accurate in the most common phone use cases. Not all, though. I think you should also specify whether it'd be a qwerty keyboard and multitouch screen. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Saturday 25 October 2008 JW wrote: Ok Community, vote and tell OM what you want for the next phone [also realise this is still a long time away and Freerunner is available to buy now!] 1) touchscreen (no qwerty buttons) - freerunner, HTC Orbit, iphone 2) qwerty keyboard and tracker ball - blackberry curve 3) combination touchscreen plus qwerty - G1 3) The touch screen already works, and the addition of a small form factor qwerty keyboard underneath a smaller screen* would add functionality, make it more geek-friendly, and also force the developers of the different UIs to think resolution independence, which is good for the whole reference framework thing that OpenMoko also does. * This has already been aired by people like rasterman - hvga or the like is sufficient for the iPhone's, so why not us? ..Dan // Leinir.. http://leinir.dk/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Best: Combo Could also live with: TS only -Marcel Am Saturday 25 October 2008 18:39:18 schrieb JW: Ok Community, vote and tell OM what you want for the next phone [also realise this is still a long time away and Freerunner is available to buy now!] 1) touchscreen (no qwerty buttons) - freerunner, HTC Orbit, iphone 2) qwerty keyboard and tracker ball - blackberry curve 3) combination touchscreen plus qwerty - G1 *** Please don't write endless pages about why - just indicate which one YOU want. *** For myself my vote is 1) no, my HTC orbit experience was horrible (yes, i realise there are better) 2) yes, my preferred user input method - intuitive, fast, flexible 3) no, i think combo is too much to ask from OM right now ciao JW ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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2) qwerty keyboard and tracker ball - blackberry curve Would be my option. Paul -- Everything is worth what its purchaser will pay for it. -Publius Syrus http://www.nlpagan.net Running on Mandriva Linux 2008 and Ubuntu 8.04 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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3) Definitely keyboard and touchscreen. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Combo would be great (maybe some kind of these slide-display-sideways things). TS only would work too, if a combo is too much. Am 25.10.2008 18:39, JW schrieb: Ok Community, vote and tell OM what you want for the next phone [also realise this is still a long time away and Freerunner is available to buy now!] 1) touchscreen (no qwerty buttons) - freerunner, HTC Orbit, iphone 2) qwerty keyboard and tracker ball - blackberry curve 3) combination touchscreen plus qwerty - G1 *** Please don't write endless pages about why - just indicate which one YOU want. *** For myself my vote is 1) no, my HTC orbit experience was horrible (yes, i realise there are better) 2) yes, my preferred user input method - intuitive, fast, flexible 3) no, i think combo is too much to ask from OM right now ciao JW ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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1) or 2) could then keep the software stack more minimal - no software keyboard necessary, so us geeks can run some ncurses/terminal based minimal UI and freak people out. 2008/10/25 Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2) qwerty keyboard and tracker ball - blackberry curve Would be my option. Paul -- Everything is worth what its purchaser will pay for it. -Publius Syrus http://www.nlpagan.net Running on Mandriva Linux 2008 and Ubuntu 8.04 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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2) or 3) could then keep the software stack more minimal - no software keyboard necessary, so us geeks can run some ncurses/terminal based minimal UI and freak people out. (forget my previous mail, nasty brainfart there) 2008/10/25 Thorben Krueger [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 1) or 2) could then keep the software stack more minimal - no software keyboard necessary, so us geeks can run some ncurses/terminal based minimal UI and freak people out. 2008/10/25 Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2) qwerty keyboard and tracker ball - blackberry curve Would be my option. Paul -- Everything is worth what its purchaser will pay for it. -Publius Syrus http://www.nlpagan.net Running on Mandriva Linux 2008 and Ubuntu 8.04 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Touch Screen only but without borders - like in Iphone. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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3) combination touchscreen plus qwerty - G1 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Thorben Krueger wrote: 1) or 2) could then keep the software stack more minimal - no software keyboard necessary, so us geeks can run some ncurses/terminal based minimal UI and freak people out. Ah-yeah! I am so with you!! :-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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In order of preference: Combination keyboard + qwerty Keyboard + trackball Touchscreen (Preferably with a few extra physical buttons though) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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I vote for option 3 (everything else on the market is now a touch screen, we can't take a step back) JW wrote: Ok Community, vote and tell OM what you want for the next phone [also realise this is still a long time away and Freerunner is available to buy now!] 1) touchscreen (no qwerty buttons) - freerunner, HTC Orbit, iphone 2) qwerty keyboard and tracker ball - blackberry curve 3) combination touchscreen plus qwerty - G1 *** Please don't write endless pages about why - just indicate which one YOU want. *** For myself my vote is 1) no, my HTC orbit experience was horrible (yes, i realise there are better) 2) yes, my preferred user input method - intuitive, fast, flexible 3) no, i think combo is too much to ask from OM right now ciao JW ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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#3 for sure. On October 25, 2008, JW wrote: Ok Community, vote and tell OM what you want for the next phone [also realise this is still a long time away and Freerunner is available to buy now!] 1) touchscreen (no qwerty buttons) - freerunner, HTC Orbit, iphone 2) qwerty keyboard and tracker ball - blackberry curve 3) combination touchscreen plus qwerty - G1 *** Please don't write endless pages about why - just indicate which one YOU want. *** For myself my vote is 1) no, my HTC orbit experience was horrible (yes, i realise there are better) 2) yes, my preferred user input method - intuitive, fast, flexible 3) no, i think combo is too much to ask from OM right now ciao JW ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Gabriel A. Devenyi B.Eng. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Number 3 ) Combo shawn sullivan wrote: I vote for option 3 (everything else on the market is now a touch screen, we can't take a step back) JW wrote: Ok Community, vote and tell OM what you want for the next phone [also realise this is still a long time away and Freerunner is available to buy now!] 1) touchscreen (no qwerty buttons) - freerunner, HTC Orbit, iphone 2) qwerty keyboard and tracker ball - blackberry curve 3) combination touchscreen plus qwerty - G1 *** Please don't write endless pages about why - just indicate which one YOU want. *** For myself my vote is 1) no, my HTC orbit experience was horrible (yes, i realise there are better) 2) yes, my preferred user input method - intuitive, fast, flexible 3) no, i think combo is too much to ask from OM right now ciao JW ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/GTA03---buttons-or-touchscreen-tp1376109p1376267.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Saturday 25 October 2008 Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen wrote: Saturday 25 October 2008 JW wrote: Ok Community, vote and tell OM what you want for the next phone [also realise this is still a long time away and Freerunner is available to buy now!] 1) touchscreen (no qwerty buttons) - freerunner, HTC Orbit, iphone 2) qwerty keyboard and tracker ball - blackberry curve 3) combination touchscreen plus qwerty - G1 3) The touch screen already works, and the addition of a small form factor qwerty keyboard underneath a smaller screen* would add functionality, make it more geek-friendly, and also force the developers of the different UIs to think resolution independence, which is good for the whole reference framework thing that OpenMoko also does. * This has already been aired by people like rasterman - hvga or the like is sufficient for the iPhone's, so why not us? ..Dan // Leinir.. http://leinir.dk/ A small extra note: If this would push the release of the phone back three or even six months compared to the other two options, i believe the end product would be worth the wait. :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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I like option 1 and agree the the screen should be more flush with the border. -Jason On Sat, 2008-10-25 at 18:50 +0200, arne anka wrote: 1) touchscreen (no qwerty buttons) - freerunner, HTC Orbit, iphone 2) qwerty keyboard and tracker ball - blackberry curve 3) combination touchscreen plus qwerty - G1 4) 5-way-rocker switch (maybe with two softkeys left and right) -- palm pda the only thing i miss right now (maybe someone figures out a hardware mod to th freerunner -- internal usb or bluetooth? it could live where the lanyard hole is) smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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definitely 3) qwerty + touchscreen This shouldn't be too hard to do, I don't think it's too much to ask of OM - surely the keyboard could be a built-in USB keyboard, which would mean that all the software etc is already there. All we'd need is a way to disable the on-screen keyboard, something we'll want for bluetooth/USB keyboards on the GTA02 anyway... -Dale JW wrote: Ok Community, vote and tell OM what you want for the next phone [also realise this is still a long time away and Freerunner is available to buy now!] 1) touchscreen (no qwerty buttons) - freerunner, HTC Orbit, iphone 2) qwerty keyboard and tracker ball - blackberry curve 3) combination touchscreen plus qwerty - G1 *** Please don't write endless pages about why - just indicate which one YOU want. *** For myself my vote is 1) no, my HTC orbit experience was horrible (yes, i realise there are better) 2) yes, my preferred user input method - intuitive, fast, flexible 3) no, i think combo is too much to ask from OM right now ciao JW ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Something that could be interesting to ponder, with regards to the combo layout, is Sony's keypad add-on. It is designed so that one can run his finger over the keys and use it as a track pad, presumably via some kind of touch sensitive surface. It's a very cool idea and could be a useful control mechanism. This way, the tracker ball thing could be implemented without taking up exra space. Bye, -Dylan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Saturday 25 October 2008 18:39:18 JW wrote: 2) qwerty keyboard and tracker ball - blackberry curve 3) combination touchscreen plus qwerty - G1 technically the G1 has a trackball as well, but i got to say, i have a fondness for slideout keyboards. that is, if the buttons are of the right size (those found on the sonyericsson SX1 is a bit small for my taste). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Saturday 25 October 2008 19:55:53 Dylan McCall wrote: Something that could be interesting to ponder, with regards to the combo layout, is Sony's keypad add-on. It is designed so that one can run his finger over the keys and use it as a track pad, presumably via some kind of touch sensitive surface. It's a very cool idea and could be a useful control mechanism. This way, the tracker ball thing could be implemented without taking up exra space. and being sony, is probably patented 7 ways to sunday... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Quoting JW [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Ok Community, vote and tell OM what you want for the next phone 1) touchscreen (no qwerty buttons) - freerunner, HTC Orbit, iphone 2) qwerty keyboard and tracker ball - blackberry curve 3) combination touchscreen plus qwerty - G1 In order of preference; 3) combo : if it's a slide out with big keys ie HTC Touch Pro 1) touchscreen : not quite as deep set as GTA02 2) qwerty tracker ball : I'd rather not physically reduce screen space IanS ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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2008/10/25 JW [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Ok Community, vote and tell OM what you want for the next phone [also realise this is still a long time away and Freerunner is available to buy now!] 1) touchscreen (no qwerty buttons) - freerunner, HTC Orbit, iphone 2) qwerty keyboard and tracker ball - blackberry curve 3) combination touchscreen plus qwerty - G1 *** Please don't write endless pages about why - just indicate which one YOU want. *** For myself my vote is 1) no, my HTC orbit experience was horrible (yes, i realise there are better) 2) yes, my preferred user input method - intuitive, fast, flexible 3) no, i think combo is too much to ask from OM right now ciao JW ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Absolutely 1 Davide ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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My preferences, in order: 3) combination touchscreen plus qwerty 1) touchscreen (no qwerty buttons) 2) qwerty keyboard and tracker ball ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Am Saturday 25 October 2008 19:08:28 schrieb Paul: Thorben Krueger wrote: 1) or 2) could then keep the software stack more minimal - no software keyboard necessary, so us geeks can run some ncurses/terminal based minimal UI and freak people out. Ah-yeah! I am so with you!! :-) THAT would be really srsly geeky! :D ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On 25 Oct 2008, at 17:39, JW wrote: vote and tell OM what you want for the next phone [also realise this is still a long time away and Freerunner is available to buy now!] 1) touchscreen (no qwerty buttons) - freerunner, HTC Orbit, iphone 2) qwerty keyboard and tracker ball - blackberry curve 3) combination touchscreen plus qwerty - G1 *** Please don't write endless pages about why - just indicate which one YOU want. *** Hi JW, You're not posting from an @openmoko address, so does this vote have an actual benefit? Do we get to influence the final design of the GTA03? Or is this just an exercise in filling up our email boxes? I apologise for asking this if I've failed to realise that you're famously Openmoko's hardware design manager. I would personally vote for touchscreen just like the Freerunner, so that there is less risk of divergence in the input methods of important software whilst Openmoko-based software stacks are establishing themselves. Adding options for different input methods and dealing with the bugs that may introduce by supporting them is not beneficial at this time - once the stack is solid stable, then they can be added. (Actually, having looked at the other options, I would vote for touchscreen-only in any case. I might potentially find a trackball, d- pad or a couple extra programmable buttons useful, but I don't want space taken up by a keyboard that will be too small to use, anyway. Just maximise the screenspace!) Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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I was undecided but Stroller really hit the point for me, so I vote 1) On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 08:09:56PM +0100, Stroller wrote: On 25 Oct 2008, at 17:39, JW wrote: vote and tell OM what you want for the next phone [also realise this is still a long time away and Freerunner is available to buy now!] 1) touchscreen (no qwerty buttons) - freerunner, HTC Orbit, iphone 2) qwerty keyboard and tracker ball - blackberry curve 3) combination touchscreen plus qwerty - G1 *** Please don't write endless pages about why - just indicate which one YOU want. *** Hi JW, You're not posting from an @openmoko address, so does this vote have an actual benefit? Do we get to influence the final design of the GTA03? Or is this just an exercise in filling up our email boxes? I apologise for asking this if I've failed to realise that you're famously Openmoko's hardware design manager. I would personally vote for touchscreen just like the Freerunner, so that there is less risk of divergence in the input methods of important software whilst Openmoko-based software stacks are establishing themselves. Adding options for different input methods and dealing with the bugs that may introduce by supporting them is not beneficial at this time - once the stack is solid stable, then they can be added. (Actually, having looked at the other options, I would vote for touchscreen-only in any case. I might potentially find a trackball, d- pad or a couple extra programmable buttons useful, but I don't want space taken up by a keyboard that will be too small to use, anyway. Just maximise the screenspace!) -- Keep the Lasagna flying! Today is Pungenday, the 6th day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3174 + No matter how much you do, you never do enough -- unknown + Whatever you do will be insignificant, | but it is very important that you do it -- Gandhi + So let's do it...? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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3) combination touchscreen plus qwerty - G1 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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3) (Please! I'd buy a thumbpad entry anyway) 1) Not 2. JW-2 wrote: Ok Community, vote and tell OM what you want for the next phone [also realise this is still a long time away and Freerunner is available to buy now!] 1) touchscreen (no qwerty buttons) - freerunner, HTC Orbit, iphone 2) qwerty keyboard and tracker ball - blackberry curve 3) combination touchscreen plus qwerty - G1 *** Please don't write endless pages about why - just indicate which one YOU want. *** For myself my vote is 1) no, my HTC orbit experience was horrible (yes, i realise there are better) 2) yes, my preferred user input method - intuitive, fast, flexible 3) no, i think combo is too much to ask from OM right now ciao JW ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/GTA03---buttons-or-touchscreen-tp1376109p1376962.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 9:39 AM, JW [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) touchscreen (no qwerty buttons) - freerunner, HTC Orbit, iphone 2) qwerty keyboard and tracker ball - blackberry curve 3) combination touchscreen plus qwerty - G1 Would prefer 3, touchscreen plus KB, but only if it doesn't make the phone bulky. Otherwise touchscreen only is good enough. Should plan on switching to multi-touch rather than resistive as soon as chips to do that become available. It's important to keep the high-res touchscreen. And it would be nice to also have more buttons, e.g. green and red buttons (hangup/esc and answer/dial). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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1) no, the FR is the best reason why this sucks really bad 2) No, too limited 3) Yes, when I compare the FR to my 3 yr old Palm treo - the palm wins easily in almost every way -- William Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home in Perth! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 16:39:18 + (UTC) JW [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: hate to drape a wet cloth over the party - but you do know that these kind of changes are not going into GTA03... because it's too late - 6-9 months ago would have given it a chance (though om have their own plans so you have to first utterly convince om that their ideas already arse total codswallop :) and u'd have to have done it a long time ago). BUT... you're in with a chance for GTA04 i'd bet. Ok Community, vote and tell OM what you want for the next phone [also realise this is still a long time away and Freerunner is available to buy now!] 1) touchscreen (no qwerty buttons) - freerunner, HTC Orbit, iphone 2) qwerty keyboard and tracker ball - blackberry curve 3) combination touchscreen plus qwerty - G1 *** Please don't write endless pages about why - just indicate which one YOU want. *** For myself my vote is 1) no, my HTC orbit experience was horrible (yes, i realise there are better) 2) yes, my preferred user input method - intuitive, fast, flexible 3) no, i think combo is too much to ask from OM right now ciao JW ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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1) touchscreen (no qwerty buttons) - freerunner, HTC Orbit, iphone 2) qwerty keyboard and tracker ball - blackberry curve 3) combination touchscreen plus qwerty - G1 Mostly touchscreen with a slide out keyboard sounds good. Also the touchscreen would be well served by a couple extra buttons. Stefan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On 2008.10.25.14.44, Ian Stephen wrote: | In order of preference; | | 3) combo : if it's a slide out with big keys ie HTC Touch Pro | 1) touchscreen : not quite as deep set as GTA02 | 2) qwerty tracker ball : I'd rather not physically reduce screen space Same here. Though continued evolution of the current setup (#1) sounds pretty good. --Brock ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
