Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3: first impressions
On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Toni Mueller supp...@oeko.net wrote: Other things that I'd change if I were able to, off the top of my head: Hi Tony! A great list of issues and things to write down for further development. Please add the items here so they're all on one list and can easily be read through: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Paroli-issues Thanks! r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: [Om2009] testing Release 3: first impressions
On Thu, 21 May 2009, Staley, Daniel L wrote: 3.) This is a big one for me: When someone sends me a text message, the number does not get looked up in the addressbook. The lookup works fine when someone calls me, but not when an sms comes in. I just see the number instead of the name. is it possible that this is http://www.paroli-project.org/trac/ticket/145 ? if so, please feel free to add a report! not too many people seem to be upset about this at the moment (which is of course fair, if it doesn't bite them). -- Tom Yates - http://www.teaparty.net ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3: first impressions
On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 06:46:54PM +0200, Toni Mueller wrote: Hi Angus, On Thu, 21.05.2009 at 10:03:50 -0600, Angus Ainslie nyt...@openmoko.org wrote: The time gets updated from the network NTP, I assume? That'd be very much ok. Thats paroli talking to the frame work before the framework is ready to respond. Ok. I'd prefer digital too and maybe even white on black to match the rest of paroli. Send a patch for the paroli-illume profile and I'll integrate it. In Paroli, it's white on black, but in Illume, the top bar is light grey. There, it should probably be black on white for that reason. * I have yet to find out how to rotate the screen on demand. xrandr Or install omnewrotate (which uses libxrandr to swiftly rotate the screen on the demand caused by the phone's position) :) With Om2009.t4 should be just opkg install omnewrotate Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3: first impressions
2009/5/20 Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi: I've been told that you can install the package udev-static-devices to reduce the boot time by ~30s (but if you have your home on /media/disk/bind-home, it'll not work, see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2009#Installing ) - stuff still under development. how do we install this package? i can't find it in the om archives; is it from a separate feed, or does it need to be installed manually? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3: first impressions
On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com wrote: how do we install this package? i can't find it in the om archives; is it from a separate feed, or does it need to be installed manually? http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/armv4t/numptyphysics_0.2+svnr109-r1_armv4t.ipk http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/armv4t/tangogps_0.9.6-r0_armv4t.ipk etc Laszlo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3: first impressions
2009/5/22 Laszlo KREKACS laszlo.krekacs.l...@gmail.com: On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com wrote: how do we install this package? i can't find it in the om archives; is it from a separate feed, or does it need to be installed manually? http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/armv4t/numptyphysics_0.2+svnr109-r1_armv4t.ipk http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/armv4t/tangogps_0.9.6-r0_armv4t.ipk etc that's confusing. i'm trying to install udev-static-devices, because apparently it will speed up boot time. it's not listed in the feeds which are on my neo (including 'http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/armv4t/' as you listed above) - as shown by 'opkg list|grep udev-static-device' returning nothing. so, if it's not in those feeds, where is the package? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3: first impressions
On May 21, 2009 07:22:15 am Robin Paulson wrote: that's confusing. i'm trying to install udev-static-devices, because apparently it will speed up boot time. it's not listed in the feeds which are on my neo (including 'http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/testing/armv4t/' as you listed above) - as shown by 'opkg list|grep udev-static-device' returning nothing. It hasn't made it to the testing feed yet. You will need to get it from the unstable feed http://downloads.openmoko.org/repository/unstable/ Angus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: [Om2009] testing Release 3: first impressions
Hi, I decided I'd try to start using om2009 as my daily phone to help test it out. Here are a few of my comments (some I'm sure have been mentioned before) 1.) I really like the paroli look/interface! It is simple, responsive, and the contrast makes it easy to see. 2.) If you rotate the screen orientation, the main menu for paroli does not resize well. Other parts, (the dialer for instance) work fine rotated though. 3.) This is a big one for me: When someone sends me a text message, the number does not get looked up in the addressbook. The lookup works fine when someone calls me, but not when an sms comes in. I just see the number instead of the name. 4.) The people page needs to jump to the first contact that starts with a letter typed. I have hundreds of contacts, and scrolling through them to find someone is a royal pain. If I could jump to a letter, that would be great. I'll continue testing it and comment about anything else I see, but so far I really like it! Good job guys! -Dan Staley ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3: first impressions
Hi, On Wed, 20.05.2009 at 04:24:33 -0400, Mirko Lindner mi...@openmoko.com wrote: Toni Mueller wrote: I thought I'd just throw my 0.02 cents into the arena. ;} Yeah, we want it all :) while flashing moko11 I've just discovered that Paroli doesn't let me set the date, but only the time. For some obscure reason, after a reboot (all w/o a GSM SIM card), the date was magically adjusted from May 9th to today. Other things that I'd change if I were able to, off the top of my head: * I still happen to not understand Paroli's UI. The battery looks like being empty in Paroli, but full in Illume. * There's a strange icon to the left of the battery that doesn't say what it is, nor what it wants to tell me. * I generally like Illume better, but would like the Illume task bar (?) to vanish unless used. * The minuscule analog clock doesn't really serve a purpose, imho. It'd be better to either (configurably) replace it by a digital clock, and/or maximize it when activated, like any other application, too. * I'd like to freely configure the selection and order of apps in that task bar, and probably have bigger arrows to press, owing to my fat fingers. Btw, I've just gotten an Enlightenment Error, SEGV. * Illume (Paroli?) should have a reset to factory setting option, so I don't have to re-flash in case I made a mistake. * I have yet to find out how to rotate the screen on demand. * Suspend should be configurable to not being activated while on USB power. It's annoying to me that the device always goes to sleep, and consequently, my SSH connection goes down, while I'm looking something up in the wiki or elsewhere. * After several reboots, the time has now been turned backwards for well over an hour. The difference is small enough to suggest to me that maybe the device displays what it thinks is UTC instead of local time (which I configured). * After several suspend-resume cycles, Enlightenment crashes with a SEGV. In normal PCs, this suggests a hardware problem (bad ram!) unless the software is really broken... I know that asking for wishes and not doing anything is rather cheap... Hit the topbar (the small clock the the top of the screen) that should always get you back to the homescreen. I've been able to pinpoint this a bit more. Running w/o a GSM SIM card, I've entered the dialer in Paroli, typed a number, and then pressed Call. Naturally, no call was placed, but after that, I couldn't go back to the main Paroli screen anymore. And one OT remark: Often, bug numbers are slung around. It would be good to have either full bug URLs for the various trackers used, and/or shortcuts in the Wiki that would redirect properly edited bug numbers to the right tracker. Eg. the user types shr:#123, and the wiki redirects one to the corresponding tracker entry in the SHR tracker (hypothetical example, but you get the idea). So far, I'm often a bit at a loss as to which bug trackers (and where) are actually implied if I see a bug number. Kind regards, --Toni++ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3: first impressions
On May 21, 2009 09:21:07 am Toni Mueller wrote: Hi, On Wed, 20.05.2009 at 04:24:33 -0400, Mirko Lindner mi...@openmoko.com wrote: Toni Mueller wrote: I thought I'd just throw my 0.02 cents into the arena. ;} Yeah, we want it all :) while flashing moko11 I've just discovered that Paroli doesn't let me set the date, but only the time. For some obscure reason, after a reboot (all w/o a GSM SIM card), the date was magically adjusted from May 9th to today. The time gets updated from the network Other things that I'd change if I were able to, off the top of my head: * I still happen to not understand Paroli's UI. The battery looks like being empty in Paroli, but full in Illume. Thats paroli talking to the frame work before the framework is ready to respond. * There's a strange icon to the left of the battery that doesn't say what it is, nor what it wants to tell me. GSM signal level * The minuscule analog clock doesn't really serve a purpose, imho. It'd be better to either (configurably) replace it by a digital clock, and/or maximize it when activated, like any other application, too. I'd prefer digital too and maybe even white on black to match the rest of paroli. Send a patch for the paroli-illume profile and I'll integrate it. * I have yet to find out how to rotate the screen on demand. xrandr * Suspend should be configurable to not being activated while on USB power. It's annoying to me that the device always goes to sleep, and consequently, my SSH connection goes down, while I'm looking something up in the wiki or elsewhere. It should not suspend while plugged in. But there is a race condition in framework that those rules don't get properly applied sometimes. What sometimes works is to unplug the usb cable until the LED goes out and then plug it back in. I should not suspend after that point * After several reboots, the time has now been turned backwards for well over an hour. The difference is small enough to suggest to me that maybe the device displays what it thinks is UTC instead of local time (which I configured). Instead of configuring it for locatime you should set the correct localtime file and set ZONESOURCES=NONE in /etc/frameworkd.conf Angus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3: first impressions
Hi, some more breakage, may be unrelated to Om2009, though... I've managed to mangle my menues, so now I can't get at the settings anymore, and the Terminal is also gone. I don't remember being able to completely disable suspend, and my micro SD card seems to be not properly recognized. At least, I get this: r...@om-gta02:~#fdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0 Disk /dev/mmcblk0: 7969 MB, 7969177600 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 968 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/mmcblk0p1 1 33 265041 83 Linux /dev/mmcblk0p2 34 66 265072+ 82 Linux swap /dev/mmcblk0p3 67 968 7245315 5 Extended /dev/mmcblk0p5 67 193 1020096 83 Linux /dev/mmcblk0p6 194 320 1020096 83 Linux /dev/mmcblk0p7 321 447 1020096 83 Linux /dev/mmcblk0p8 448 968 4184901 83 Linux r...@om-gta02:~# mount rootfs on / type rootfs (rw) /dev/root on / type jffs2 (rw,noatime) proc on /proc type proc (rw) sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw) /dev/root on /dev/.static/dev type jffs2 (rw) udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,size=2048k,mode=755) /dev/mmcblk0p7 on /media/mmcblk0p7 type ext3 (rw,sync,errors=continue,data=ordered) /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /media/card type ext3 (rw,errors=continue,data=ordered) /dev/mmcblk0p5 on /media/mmcblk0p5 type ext3 (rw,sync,errors=continue,data=ordered) /dev/mmcblk0p6 on /media/mmcblk0p6 type ext3 (rw,sync,errors=continue,data=ordered) tmpfs on /var/volatile type tmpfs (rw,mode=755) tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw,mode=777) devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620) I didn't do anything - don't know how the partitions got mounted, BUT r...@om-gta02:~# mkdir data r...@om-gta02:~# mount /dev/mmcblk0p8 data mount: special device /dev/mmcblk0p8 does not exist r...@om-gta02:~# mkfs.ext3 /dev/mmcblk0p8 mke2fs 1.38 (30-Jun-2005) Could not stat /dev/mmcblk0p8 --- No such file or directory The device apparently does not exist; did you specify it correctly? I did have some unclean shutdowns, though... IOW, the second half of my 8 gig card which I wanted to use for maps and other data that is not OS specific and uses large amounts of storage, is always available. One more problem: Once the X server crashes, there's apparently NO way to restart it w/o having at least an SSH connection to the device, or the device rebooted. There should be an easier way, imho. Kind regards, --Toni++ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3: first impressions
Hi Angus, On Thu, 21.05.2009 at 10:03:50 -0600, Angus Ainslie nyt...@openmoko.org wrote: The time gets updated from the network NTP, I assume? That'd be very much ok. Thats paroli talking to the frame work before the framework is ready to respond. Ok. I'd prefer digital too and maybe even white on black to match the rest of paroli. Send a patch for the paroli-illume profile and I'll integrate it. In Paroli, it's white on black, but in Illume, the top bar is light grey. There, it should probably be black on white for that reason. * I have yet to find out how to rotate the screen on demand. xrandr Thank you. I guess that someone should appropriately augment the Getting Started page in the wiki to explain the different GUIs, along with screenshots/photos. Taking note do do that at some point... Instead of configuring it for locatime you should set the correct localtime file and set ZONESOURCES=NONE in /etc/frameworkd.conf There was a dialogue in Paroli where I could adjust the time. There, I entered the time according to my local time zone, being unaware of the network time stuff. But I'd prefer to configure an /etc/localtime, like in any other *nix, too. Doing it in frameworkd.conf should work, too. Thank you for your hand-holding. Kind regards, --Toni++ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3: first impressions
On May 21, 2009 10:46:54 am Toni Mueller wrote: There was a dialogue in Paroli where I could adjust the time. There, I entered the time according to my local time zone, being unaware of the network time stuff. But I'd prefer to configure an /etc/localtime, like in any other *nix, too. Doing it in frameworkd.conf should work, too. You need to *copy* in the correct zone file from user share zones and set set zonesources to NONE. If you don't set zonesources then as soon as you add a SIM card the zone will get set from the GSM network Angus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3: first impressions
Hi, [ still exploring the thing w/o much of a clue... ] On Thu, 21.05.2009 at 17:21:07 +0200, Toni Mueller supp...@oeko.net wrote: * Illume (Paroli?) should have a reset to factory setting option, so I don't have to re-flash in case I made a mistake. after messing up too much and, as I wrote, having severely misconfigured Illume, after remembering that it's Linux, I opted to delete the .e, .gconf and similar directories, then reboot. This gave me back Paroli, but now I can chose Illume in the display profile option all day long, and don't ever get back Illume. Another reboot fixed this. * After several suspend-resume cycles, Enlightenment crashes with a SEGV. In normal PCs, this suggests a hardware problem (bad ram!) unless the software is really broken... It also happens w/o several suspend-resume cycles. Will investigate further and hopefully submit a bug report next time. I've now done some tests with a SIM card (T-Mobile), too: * I have trouble answering the calls. Placing calls is easy, though. * On SMS reception, the screen looks rather garbled (imho). Going to Paroli's home screen and to the messages from there is my current workaround. * The Enter PIN dialogue should be optional. I'd like to bypass this and be able to activate the SIM card sometime later. * The phonebook (People) is quite unwieldy, but that has already been noted by someone else. * Now with the card activated, the phone feels quite a bit more sluggish than before. * I need to get the buzz fix. ;} Wishlist: Being able to update to Om2009 final w/o re-flashing. I'm not overly comfortable writing to the mailing list this way, but don't have a better idea, yet. Kind regards, --Toni++ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3: first impressions
Hiya, Toni Mueller wrote: Hi, I thought I'd just throw my 0.02 cents into the arena. ;} Yeah, we want it all :) Yesterday I felt bold and flashed Om2009t3 onto my phone, but neither moko11 nor the new u-boot yet, though. Playing around without a SIM card installed, I found two problems that might be cleared up reading the website(s): 1. Once in the dialer, I couldn't exit. In the wiki it says: Go to the main screen of Paroli, then press the AUX button for two seconds. But I didn't manage getting back to the main screen, and within the dialer, the AUX button didn't work. Hit the topbar (the small clock the the top of the screen) that should always get you back to the homescreen. 3. The back/delete (?) button in the dialer, right to Call, is so tiny that I didn't find out what it was until I hit it. that one is on me :( On the plus side, typing about anything is now MUCH, MUCH faster than with Om2008.12 which I had before. That's good news :) Btw we are preparing for another beta release in the next few days :) Hope you are testing that one also and let us know what you think :) Thanks again :) /mirko ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3: first impressions
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Toni Mueller supp...@oeko.net wrote: Hi, I thought I'd just throw my 0.02 cents into the arena. ;} Great :) 1. Once in the dialer, I couldn't exit. In the wiki it says: Go to the main screen of Paroli, then press the AUX button for two seconds. But I didn't manage getting back to the main screen, and within the dialer, the AUX button didn't work. I agree, it's a bit difficult sometimes having the 'back' button there, sometimes having to press the top bar to exit.. 2. Instead of shutting down, pressing and holding the power button for an extended period simply powered off the device. I think this is already known and being worked on, but thought I'd mention it for completeness. Visual feedback will be added at some stage.. I hope.. 4. Booting is so awfully slow that I initially thought that the device had crashed. I've been told that you can install the package udev-static-devices to reduce the boot time by ~30s (but if you have your home on /media/disk/bind-home, it'll not work, see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2009#Installing ) - stuff still under development. On the plus side, typing about anything is now MUCH, MUCH faster than with Om2008.12 which I had before. What kind of keyboard would you like to have there? I installed qwo (http://www.opkg.org/package_84.html) just to try it out - not bad :) Should try the transparent version: http://kedrigern.dcs.fmph.uniba.sk/~riso/Openmoko/qwo/ r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3: first impressions
Hi, On Wed, 20.05.2009 at 04:24:33 -0400, Mirko Lindner mi...@openmoko.com wrote: Toni Mueller wrote: I thought I'd just throw my 0.02 cents into the arena. ;} Yeah, we want it all :) no problem. ;) 1. Once in the dialer, I couldn't exit. In the wiki it says: Go to the main screen of Paroli, then press the AUX button for two seconds. But I didn't manage getting back to the main screen, and within the dialer, the AUX button didn't work. Hit the topbar (the small clock the the top of the screen) that should always get you back to the homescreen. Well, I already thought as much and tried to hammer all over the screen, esp. on anything that looked remotely like a button, but also in the black in between, and on all sides of the frame, too. Nothing worked, though. Btw we are preparing for another beta release in the next few days :) Hope you are testing that one also and let us know what you think :) I'll look at the change log an then I'll probably be sold. ;} Kind regards, --Toni++ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3: first impressions
Hi, On Wed, 20.05.2009 at 12:26:46 +0300, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: I've been told that you can install the package udev-static-devices to reduce the boot time by ~30s (but if you have your home on /media/disk/bind-home, it'll not work, see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2009#Installing ) - stuff still under development. thanks for the tip. I'll take a look, although I'm going to have my home entirely on the SD card, for obvious reasons. On the plus side, typing about anything is now MUCH, MUCH faster than with Om2008.12 which I had before. What kind of keyboard would you like to have there? So far, I didn't really care much for the different keyboards, but if I can have a wish, I'd like response times like the current keyboard in Paroli gives (ie, it immediately gives results as fast as I can type), not as sluggish with 1-2 second pauses between key presses, like in Om2008.12, but something that gives me easy ways to type all characters that I'd like to have, which is *full* Unicode (or close: Latin9 and Chinese at least). On my desktop computer, I use scim for this purpose, and for other languages as well. Otherwise, I'd like to be able to zoom and shrink the keyboard. The idea of scrolling between different layouts, like in Om2008.12, is interesting and not too bad, but it's naturally impossible to accommodate all foreign language characters this way and still have a usable keyboard. Reading that wishes are not encouraged at this time, I'd probably better not hold my breath, though. I installed qwo (http://www.opkg.org/package_84.html) just to try it out - not bad :) Should try the transparent version: http://kedrigern.dcs.fmph.uniba.sk/~riso/Openmoko/qwo/ Thanks, I'll take a look at these, too. Adjustable transparency, colours and layouts are good, imho. Kind regards, --Toni++ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3: first impressions
Hi Toni On May 20, 2009 02:11:07 am Toni Mueller wrote: 2. Instead of shutting down, pressing and holding the power button for an extended period simply powered off the device. I think this is already known and being worked on, but thought I'd mention it for completeness. If you hold the button for less than 2 seconds it should suspend ( Is that what you mean by shutdown ? ). More than 2 seconds and it is supposed to power down. Angus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3: first impressions
So far, I didn't really care much for the different keyboards, but if I can have a wish, I'd like response times like the current keyboard in Paroli gives (ie, it immediately gives results as fast as I can type), not as sluggish with 1-2 second pauses between key presses, like in Om2008.12, but something that gives me easy ways to type all characters that I'd like to have, which is *full* Unicode (or close: Latin9 and Chinese at least). On my desktop computer, I use scim for this purpose, and for other languages as well. Otherwise, I'd like to be able to zoom and shrink the keyboard. The idea of scrolling between different layouts, like in Om2008.12, is interesting and not too bad, but it's naturally impossible to accommodate all foreign language characters this way and still have a usable keyboard. UTF8 should be properly supported in the next testing release. I believe there are a few different keyboard layouts in the wiki. Reading that wishes are not encouraged at this time, I'd probably better not hold my breath, though. That has changed a bit. We are now encouraging the community to create a wish list. What we also need the community to do is implement the wish list. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2009_get_active There are some core features that OM is going to implement and then we will integrate working solutions built by the community. Angus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3: first impressions
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Angus Ainslie nyt...@openmoko.org wrote: Hi Toni On May 20, 2009 02:11:07 am Toni Mueller wrote: 2. Instead of shutting down, pressing and holding the power button for an extended period simply powered off the device. I think this is already known and being worked on, but thought I'd mention it for completeness. If you hold the button for less than 2 seconds it should suspend ( Is that what you mean by shutdown ? ). More than 2 seconds and it is supposed to power down. Should but actually there's some problems there - it always doesn't suspend.. It's more or less a known (but not fixed, I think) bug.. r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3: first impressions
Reading that wishes are not encouraged at this time, I'd probably better not hold my breath, though. That has changed a bit. We are now encouraging the community to create a wish list. What we also need the community to do is implement the wish list. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2009_get_active There are some core features that OM is going to implement and then we will integrate working solutions built by the community. Angus This is great to hear Angus, that actually OM will also include some solutions from the community - I guess it means we might have a change of shipping a more complete distro, not only the very minimal, almost working stuff. Is there a possibility of shipping actual applications - if they fill your quality requirements. I'd like to see tangogps numptyphysics mokomaze included and I have no problems you setting some quality limits there for apps to pass. Way to go! r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Om2009] testing Release 3: first impressions
On May 20, 2009 09:14:56 am Risto H. Kurppa wrote: This is great to hear Angus, that actually OM will also include some solutions from the community - I guess it means we might have a change of shipping a more complete distro, not only the very minimal, almost working stuff. Is there a possibility of shipping actual applications - if they fill your quality requirements. I'd like to see tangogps numptyphysics mokomaze included and I have no problems you setting some quality limits there for apps to pass. All of those applications are already in the feeds. At this point I don't see them as being installed by default in the image. I might make some packages like moko-games-pack that includes all of the top games or moko-mapping-pack which could include tangogps and navit with speechd stripped out. Angus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
