Re: Is Neo Freerunner a phone?

[Noel]

Thanks for pointing me to android, but after almost 2 months I can
tell you that android is as stable as qtmoko v16, meaning that I have
to restart it weakly. Of course, android it's more polished and has a
faster with UI, but it is also faster in discharging the battery :)

After having tried om200[89], shr, qtopia and android, with the same
result, it seams that 'my problem' is hardware, kernel&drivers and/or
modem/firmware related.

I'll do the caps fixes, retry qtopia (or shr, or android 2.x), and if
it will work the same, I'll give up on FR, as I'm already annoyed most
of those who talk with me.

On 3/28/10, Martin Šenkeřík  wrote:
> I can recomend you android. I was looking for reliable phone, I tried
> "everything", and my last try - android is total winner. Give it a
> try.
>
> ohin
>
> On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Noel  wrote:
>> On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Michele Brocco 
>> wrote:
>>> Which one did you try until now?
>>
>> om2008, om2009, shr, qtopia/radek.
>>
>>> If l look at the forum posts lately and your requirements you may try
>>> neophysis which seems to have very basic phone functions implemented.
>>
>> Being lazy, I wanted a confirmation :) from someone who tried.
>>
>>> You could also have a try with android, however imho the advantages of
>>> our device are not exploited with android. Freerunner is not just a
>>> phone or pda :)
>>
>> I'm afraid is not even a phone yet, as its soul (software) is haunted :)
>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Noel  wrote:
 Does anybody knows a kernel and a basic phone application that work
 with Neo Freerunner?

 When I say 'work', I mean the phone:
  - doesn't have to be restarted daily/weekly[/montly]
  - it is 100% reliable on making and receiving voice calls
  - it is 100% reliable on sending and receiving sms (even some are not
 displayed well, like unicode characters, 'multipart' messages, etc.)
  - doesn't have to suspend if it can be used 'modestly' at least 20
 hours without charging

 The kernel doesn't have to be Linux.
 The phone application doesn't have to be open source as long as it can
 be downloaded without paying. No need of a virtual keyboard, except
 for writing a phone number that will be called. If the address book
 can be edited with a text editor or from command line it will be fine.

 Currently, I use Radek's build, but the phone (or qtopia) has to be
 restarted from time to time: it is slow on handling the voice calls,
 and if the modem has to do more then one operation, like closing a
 voice call while somebody else is calling or I receive a sms, it may
 go in a state in which I cannot make a voice call.

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Re: Is Neo Freerunner a phone? (with Android)

[Noel]

On 4/4/10, Niels Heyvaert  wrote:
 I am afraid it is still draining the battery. I can use my FR for about
 8~10 hours with Android - current "featured" release.
>>> It seams like the Dialer will do this, if left unclosed. I'm not sure.
>> It seems you're doing something ugly wrong.
> The user is not doing anything wrong, Google is.
>
> This is because of how Android handles closing applications. When you close
> an app, it disappears from your desktop, but the application keeps running.

Thanks Niels.

I don't care *who* does something wrong. I just search for a way to
use Neo as an ordinary phone (not missing any call/SMS) first.

Someone might tell me that I do wrong using a phone instead of face to
face communication :). It may be true from a point of view.

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RE: Is Neo Freerunner a phone? (with Android)

[Niels Heyvaert]

>>> I am afraid it is still draining the battery. I can use my FR for about
>>> 8~10 hours with Android - current "featured" release.
>> It seams like the Dialer will do this, if left unclosed. I'm not sure.
> It seems you're doing something ugly wrong.
> I'm using it with SHR and its working just fine.
> Runtime: More then a day. If you have it in proper suspend,
> while not using it.
>
The user is not doing anything wrong, Google is.
 
This is because of how Android handles closing applications. When you close an 
app, it disappears from your desktop, but the application keeps running. This 
eventually results in running out of memory and wake-up interupts from suspend 
while in fact you don't have any app open (at least, that's what you think).
 
This is broken by design. Blame Google.
 
The community has developed tools to list all your running apps with the option 
to kill them individually. So there are ways to work around this.
 
Niels.
 
 
 
  
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Re: Is Neo Freerunner a phone? (with Android)

[David Lanzendörfer]

> >> [cut]
> > I am afraid it is still draining the battery. I can use my FR for about
> > 8~10 hours with Android - current "featured" release.
> It seams like the Dialer will do this, if left unclosed. I'm not sure.
It seems you're doing something ugly wrong.
I'm using it with SHR and its working just fine.
Runtime: More then a day. If you have it in proper suspend,
while not using it.

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Re: Is Neo Freerunner a phone? (with Android)

[Noel]

On 4/1/10, Patryk Benderz  wrote:
> [cut]
>> Last night it just keep charging. It was on 100%, so I just unplug it.
>> In the morning, when I connected the charger, it booted (?!). I
>> checked the battery level and it was 4%. Next time I'll try to use
>> Cleanoid to see if it still drain the battery.
> I am afraid it is still draining the battery. I can use my FR for about
> 8~10 hours with Android - current "featured" release.

It seams like the Dialer will do this, if left unclosed. I'm not sure.

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Re: Is Neo Freerunner a phone? (with Android)

[Patryk Benderz]

[cut]
> Last night it just keep charging. It was on 100%, so I just unplug it.
> In the morning, when I connected the charger, it booted (?!). I
> checked the battery level and it was 4%. Next time I'll try to use
> Cleanoid to see if it still drain the battery.
I am afraid it is still draining the battery. I can use my FR for about
8~10 hours with Android - current "featured" release.

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Re: Is Neo Freerunner a phone? (with Android)

[Noel]

On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Martin Šenkeřík
 wrote:
> I can recomend you android. I was looking for reliable phone, I tried
> "everything", and my last try - android is total winner. Give it a
> try.

Thanks. It looks much faster and nicer then what I've tried so far.
It's too soon to talk about how stable it is.

Last night it just keep charging. It was on 100%, so I just unplug it.
In the morning, when I connected the charger, it booted (?!). I
checked the battery level and it was 4%. Next time I'll try to use
Cleanoid to see if it still drain the battery.

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Re: Is Neo Freerunner a phone?

[Patryk Benderz]

[cut]
> I gave up on this quest a few months back and bought an n900.   I love
> it - it has all of the advantages I liked about the FR (can ssh into
> it, run most standard linux software, etc.), *but* it works as a
> phone.
Sad, but true... for now. I believe it will be better :)

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Re: Is Neo Freerunner a phone?

[Warren Baird]

On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 5:48 AM, Noel  wrote:
> Does anybody knows a kernel and a basic phone application that work
> with Neo Freerunner?

I gave up on this quest a few months back and bought an n900.   I love
it - it has all of the advantages I liked about the FR (can ssh into
it, run most standard linux software, etc.), *but* it works as a
phone.

Good luck!

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RE: Is Neo Freerunner a phone?

[Niels Heyvaert]

>> I can recomend you android. I was looking for reliable phone, I tried
>> "everything", and my last try - android is total winner. Give it a
>> try.
>
> Can you confirm what freerunner and android versions please
>

There is an Android build for the Freerunner (GTA02), not for the Neo 1973 
(GTA01).
 
There is a stable release candidate (v0.2 RC1) based on Android Cupcake and 
there is a build of Android the master branch, which is more experimental.
 
More info can be found on http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/
 
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Re: Is Neo Freerunner a phone?

[Denis Johnson]

On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 10:11 PM, Martin Šenkeřík
 wrote:
> I can recomend you android. I was looking for reliable phone, I tried
> "everything", and my last try - android is total winner. Give it a
> try.

Can you confirm what freerunner and android versions please

cheers Denis

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Re: Is Neo FreeRunner a phone?

[Noel]

On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 11:36 PM, Brolin Empey  wrote:
> Which version of the Calypso firmware are you using?  If it is less than
> moko11, I suggest upgrading to moko11.  Maybe your modem problems have
> already been fixed.

It's moko11. Doesn't have deep sleep fix, yet.

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Re: Is Neo FreeRunner a phone?

[Brolin Empey]

Which version of the Calypso firmware are you using?  If it is less than 
moko11, I suggest upgrading to moko11.  Maybe your modem problems have 
already been fixed.

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Re: Is Neo Freerunner a phone?

[Martin Šenkeřík]

I can recomend you android. I was looking for reliable phone, I tried
"everything", and my last try - android is total winner. Give it a
try.

ohin

On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Noel  wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Michele Brocco  wrote:
>> Which one did you try until now?
>
> om2008, om2009, shr, qtopia/radek.
>
>> If l look at the forum posts lately and your requirements you may try
>> neophysis which seems to have very basic phone functions implemented.
>
> Being lazy, I wanted a confirmation :) from someone who tried.
>
>> You could also have a try with android, however imho the advantages of
>> our device are not exploited with android. Freerunner is not just a
>> phone or pda :)
>
> I'm afraid is not even a phone yet, as its soul (software) is haunted :)
>
>> On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Noel  wrote:
>>> Does anybody knows a kernel and a basic phone application that work
>>> with Neo Freerunner?
>>>
>>> When I say 'work', I mean the phone:
>>>  - doesn't have to be restarted daily/weekly[/montly]
>>>  - it is 100% reliable on making and receiving voice calls
>>>  - it is 100% reliable on sending and receiving sms (even some are not
>>> displayed well, like unicode characters, 'multipart' messages, etc.)
>>>  - doesn't have to suspend if it can be used 'modestly' at least 20
>>> hours without charging
>>>
>>> The kernel doesn't have to be Linux.
>>> The phone application doesn't have to be open source as long as it can
>>> be downloaded without paying. No need of a virtual keyboard, except
>>> for writing a phone number that will be called. If the address book
>>> can be edited with a text editor or from command line it will be fine.
>>>
>>> Currently, I use Radek's build, but the phone (or qtopia) has to be
>>> restarted from time to time: it is slow on handling the voice calls,
>>> and if the modem has to do more then one operation, like closing a
>>> voice call while somebody else is calling or I receive a sms, it may
>>> go in a state in which I cannot make a voice call.
>>>
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Re: Is Neo Freerunner a phone?

[Noel]

On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Michele Brocco  wrote:
> Which one did you try until now?

om2008, om2009, shr, qtopia/radek.

> If l look at the forum posts lately and your requirements you may try
> neophysis which seems to have very basic phone functions implemented.

Being lazy, I wanted a confirmation :) from someone who tried.

> You could also have a try with android, however imho the advantages of
> our device are not exploited with android. Freerunner is not just a
> phone or pda :)

I'm afraid is not even a phone yet, as its soul (software) is haunted :)

> On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Noel  wrote:
>> Does anybody knows a kernel and a basic phone application that work
>> with Neo Freerunner?
>>
>> When I say 'work', I mean the phone:
>>  - doesn't have to be restarted daily/weekly[/montly]
>>  - it is 100% reliable on making and receiving voice calls
>>  - it is 100% reliable on sending and receiving sms (even some are not
>> displayed well, like unicode characters, 'multipart' messages, etc.)
>>  - doesn't have to suspend if it can be used 'modestly' at least 20
>> hours without charging
>>
>> The kernel doesn't have to be Linux.
>> The phone application doesn't have to be open source as long as it can
>> be downloaded without paying. No need of a virtual keyboard, except
>> for writing a phone number that will be called. If the address book
>> can be edited with a text editor or from command line it will be fine.
>>
>> Currently, I use Radek's build, but the phone (or qtopia) has to be
>> restarted from time to time: it is slow on handling the voice calls,
>> and if the modem has to do more then one operation, like closing a
>> voice call while somebody else is calling or I receive a sms, it may
>> go in a state in which I cannot make a voice call.
>>
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Re: Is Neo Freerunner a phone?

[Michele Brocco]

Which one did you try until now?

If l look at the forum posts lately and your requirements you may try
neophysis which seems to have very basic phone functions implemented.
You could also have a try with android, however imho the advantages of
our device are not exploited with android. Freerunner is not just a
phone or pda :)

On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Noel  wrote:
> Does anybody knows a kernel and a basic phone application that work
> with Neo Freerunner?
>
> When I say 'work', I mean the phone:
>  - doesn't have to be restarted daily/weekly[/montly]
>  - it is 100% reliable on making and receiving voice calls
>  - it is 100% reliable on sending and receiving sms (even some are not
> displayed well, like unicode characters, 'multipart' messages, etc.)
>  - doesn't have to suspend if it can be used 'modestly' at least 20
> hours without charging
>
> The kernel doesn't have to be Linux.
> The phone application doesn't have to be open source as long as it can
> be downloaded without paying. No need of a virtual keyboard, except
> for writing a phone number that will be called. If the address book
> can be edited with a text editor or from command line it will be fine.
>
> Currently, I use Radek's build, but the phone (or qtopia) has to be
> restarted from time to time: it is slow on handling the voice calls,
> and if the modem has to do more then one operation, like closing a
> voice call while somebody else is calling or I receive a sms, it may
> go in a state in which I cannot make a voice call.
>
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