Re: freerunner unable to work with 3G SIM Cards?
Hello I have the same problem with my SIM card from Sunrise here in Switzerland. Out of three different cards, I have one that works and two that do not. Is their any solution yet to this problem?. Philipp ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 3G sim cards
On 7/29/07, Andy Poling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many people (including I) have not been able to get the att 3g sim card (the one with the 3g fireball) working in our neos. The older cingular ones do work (they are 64K smart chip). I can make calls using the cingular 3G sim card. I dont know much about SIM cards/networks but it says 3G on it and its by cingular. Is there a way to confirm that its 3G ? I have two cingular 64K smart chip SIMs that won't work in the neo1973 (CME 10), but they both work in both my razr and sierra ac860 card. Both SIMs are about 9-10 months old now - maybe they changed a while back while keeping similar markings? On the back, one says 3G (with a tiny c after it) and has the numbers 64205G and 3020. The other also has 3G(c) and has 64205O (capital o) and 4020. I dug up an old SIM (also cingular) that does work (so I know the GSM chip and SIM socket aren't faulty), but that account is no longer active. -Andy ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- -- http://pd.dnsalias.org ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 3G sim cards
Can you tell me the numbers on the chip side of the SIM? Not the 20 digit ICCID but the 5 digit SKU followed by a letter and then the 4 digit Vendor and Version number underneath it. For example GD cards say 71234 D 2202 Eric Pranav Desai wrote: On 7/29/07, *Andy Poling* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many people (including I) have not been able to get the att 3g sim card (the one with the 3g fireball) working in our neos. The older cingular ones do work (they are 64K smart chip). I can make calls using the cingular 3G sim card. I dont know much about SIM cards/networks but it says 3G on it and its by cingular. Is there a way to confirm that its 3G ? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 3G sim cards
Here is a Cingular pay-as-you-go SIM: 73000G3021 Eric Johnson wrote: Can you tell me the numbers on the chip side of the SIM? Not the 20 digit ICCID but the 5 digit SKU followed by a letter and then the 4 digit Vendor and Version number underneath it. For example GD cards say 71234 D 2202 Eric Pranav Desai wrote: On 7/29/07, *Andy Poling* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many people (including I) have not been able to get the att 3g sim card (the one with the 3g fireball) working in our neos. The older cingular ones do work (they are 64K smart chip). I can make calls using the cingular 3G sim card. I dont know much about SIM cards/networks but it says 3G on it and its by cingular. Is there a way to confirm that its 3G ? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Michael Welter Telecom Matters Corp. Denver, Colorado US +1.303.414.4980 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.TelecomMatters.net ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 3G sim cards
Michael Welter wrote: Here is a Cingular pay-as-you-go SIM: 73000G3021 Does that SIM work? It is a Gemalto SIM and to the best of my knowledge is identical to the latest cards from Gemalto apart from the rebranding to ATT. The new ATT branded cards should be marked 71234 G 3022 Eric ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 3G sim cards
So does this mean Cingualr is moving to proprietary SIMS? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 3G sim cards
Minor update on the cingular/att 3g sim issue: I tested my device out this evening with a t-mobile prepaid sim (2g), and I am able to make outgoing calls successfully. Even got the audio working after some fuss ;) So anyhow, seems like its definitely due to either the cingular/att network and/or the 3g sim card, and not the neo itself. Fwiw, the sim contacts on both of the sims appear slightly different. I do not know enough about sim cards to know how significant that is. Cheers, -scott Harrison Metzger wrote: I agree. The neo should work with the largest US provider. I would be more than happy to mail my sim card to TW or to someplace where someone who knows more about the technology than me can look at it (as long as I can get it back lol). It would be nice to see the raw communication (if any) between the sim and the phone. IMO this is a very important issue and I hope the core neo engineers or openmoko developers will get time to look into it. (its filed on bugzilla as number 666) Harry ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 3G sim cards
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 No, for Neo GTA01 it's probably a focus on software. Guess they did not find a better GSM/UMTS module in time. Andreas Xamindar wrote: Whao, I didn't know that. I assumed it at least had edge. That totally sucks if it is only has GPRS. What is going on with new phones these days? Seems like they are going backwards in speeds, i-phone and now this. HSDPA support? Why not? Is it licensing issues? Andreas Kostyrka wrote: edge speeds? *lol* The GTA01 at least has pure classic GPRS. Andreas Xamindar wrote: I have a simple question related to 3G. Why doesn't the neo support 3G? I have had my Cingular 3G phone for a year now and I can't imagine ever going back to Edge speeds. And sence this phone has a 640x480 screen and powerful processor it is great for the faster speed network. I would really love to change my 3G phone+Zaurus combination over to one openmoko phone. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGqvzLHJdudm4KnO0RAqMdAJ4vjm/OqEXgQplnftYVhJ0XklqdNQCgn3HL /i1HOnv3/IKRnoAeK+hcuRc= =U4UN -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 3G sim cards
and I am able to make outgoing calls successfully. Even got the audio working after some fuss ;) What fuss in particular? I can play audio with madplay, but have yet to get phone calls to use the speaker (the dialer connects and picks up fine...) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 3G sim cards
Mark Eichin wrote: and I am able to make outgoing calls successfully. Even got the audio working after some fuss ;) What fuss in particular? I can play audio with madplay, but have yet to get phone calls to use the speaker (the dialer connects and picks up fine...) Right before you dial a call, try alsactl -f /etc/alsa/gsmhandset.state restore Then fire up alsamixer and adjust Amp Left and Amp Right to suit your needs. Also, this should work with the headset plugged in, and using gsmheadset.state as well, and then you can use stereoout.state to put it back to stereo output. So, in short, that works for me. However, I can't seem to make the gsm system function reliably. Seems it can only handle 1 call before a full reboot is needed, unless gsm and x are restarted, and even then that only works on occasion. Otherwise the modem just appears to hang, and restarting gsmd, and attempting to re-register makes no effect. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 3G sim cards
On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 15:06:00 -0400 Mark Eichin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and I am able to make outgoing calls successfully. Even got the audio working after some fuss ;) What fuss in particular? I can play audio with madplay, but have yet to get phone calls to use the speaker (the dialer connects and picks up fine...) It should be just fuss like alsactl -f /etc/alsa/gsmhandset.state restore Regards, Daniel Willmann signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: 3G sim cards
I don't have a Neo however I do have a ATT 3G fireball card.I can definitely confirm that this works in much much older 2g handsets (I have a few older 2g handsets that I've traded up from over time). The newest att sim that came with my last new handset 6 months ago (cingular 8525-htc hermes) works in all the other older handsets. Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-212-203-4357 Ph +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Johnson Sent: Friday, 27 July 2007 1:48 AM To: Harrison Metzger Cc: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: 3G sim cards Harrison Metzger wrote: Many people (including I) have not been able to get the att 3g sim card (the one with the 3g fireball) working in our neos. The older cingular ones do work (they are 64K smart chip). I dont care if it does 2g, I would like for my att sim card to work in the phone. According to the GSM modem it gives error CME 10 (sim card not inserted). any ideas? Well the ATT 3G cards are definitely have both a SIM and USIM application on them and ATT do a lot of device testing before approving the cards so it really should work. Can you say what the Vendor and Version Number of the UICC is? This is the 4 digit number beginning with a 2 under the 3g fireball on the front of the card. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
3G sim cards
On the IRC channel sunkist has confirmed this problem too. nibbler_de said that the sim card that att makes is definitely a Oberthur CS SIMphonIC 3G and that it is comparable with 2G phones still. but how come many people who tried this card all reported that it didn't work? I'm wondering if a hardware guy could look into this ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 3G sim cards
Harrison Metzger wrote: I'm not actually sure what number you need. On the (what I would call front side) side with NO contacts there is the iccid number which is long. On the back (side with contacts) their are 2 numbers: 71324 and 4021 (please don't clone my phone, lol). So we don't play email tag I'm on IRC (name calamous_), could you mind hopping on or messaging me if you are already. Sorry, I was doing it from memory and the first digit of the four seems to be the SIM vendor so I shouldn't have said beginning with a 2. The 71324 is the SKU for the ATT latest UICC. The 4021 is the Vendor and Version number. Based at looking at some cards the vendor numbers are 2 - GD 3 - Gemalto 4 - Oberthur I have access to a tool monitoring the communication between the SIM and the handset so I will be able to investigate this later. Unfortunately, they haven't charged my credit card yet so at best I will not have a device for a couple of weeks and I only have access to GD and Gemalto UICCs. Hopefully someone else can help you in the meantime. It'll be a bit of a blow if the phone won't work with the largest US GSM operators SIM cards! ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 3G sim cards
On 27 Jul 2007, at 18:19, Eric Johnson wrote: It'll be a bit of a blow if the phone won't work with the largest US GSM operators SIM cards! But it's not a finished product and it's good that this issue has been identified now. It was always going to be the time when these things get detected, ie. wider usage of the hardware. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re:3G sim cards
Harrison Metzger writes: Many people (including I) have not been able to get the att 3g sim card (the one with the 3g fireball) working in our neos. The older cingular ones do work (they are 64K smart chip). I dont care if it does 2g, I would like for my att sim card to work in the phone. According to the GSM modem it gives error CME 10 (sim card not inserted). any ideas? Many people (including I) have not been able to get the atamp;t 3g sim card (the one with the quot;3g fireballquot;) working in our neos. The older cingular ones do work (they are quot;64K smart chipquot;). I dont care if it does 2g, I would like for my atamp;t sim card to work in the phone. According to the GSM modem it gives error CME 10 (sim card not inserted). any ideas?br OK, several people have reported failure -- has anybody reported success? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 3G sim cards
Chalk another one up for CME ERROR due to the cingular/att 'fireball' 3g sim card.. However, it is interesting to note, that I am getting CME ERROR 13 (sim failure), rather than CME ERROR 10 (sim not inserted). Just got my neo, so still trying.. :) -Scott Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Harrison Metzger writes: Many people (including I) have not been able to get the att 3g sim card (the one with the 3g fireball) working in our neos. The older cingular ones do work (they are 64K smart chip). I dont care if it does 2g, I would like for my att sim card to work in the phone. According to the GSM modem it gives error CME 10 (sim card not inserted). any ideas? Many people (including I) have not been able to get the atamp;t 3g sim card (the one with the quot;3g fireballquot;) working in our neos. The older cingular ones do work (they are quot;64K smart chipquot;). I dont care if it does 2g, I would like for my atamp;t sim card to work in the phone. According to the GSM modem it gives error CME 10 (sim card not inserted). any ideas?br OK, several people have reported failure -- has anybody reported success? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
3G sim cards
I agree. The neo should work with the largest US provider. I would be more than happy to mail my sim card to TW or to someplace where someone who knows more about the technology than me can look at it (as long as I can get it back lol). It would be nice to see the raw communication (if any) between the sim and the phone. IMO this is a very important issue and I hope the core neo engineers or openmoko developers will get time to look into it. (its filed on bugzilla as number 666) Harry ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 3G sim cards
I have a simple question related to 3G. Why doesn't the neo support 3G? I have had my Cingular 3G phone for a year now and I can't imagine ever going back to Edge speeds. And sence this phone has a 640x480 screen and powerful processor it is great for the faster speed network. I would really love to change my 3G phone+Zaurus combination over to one openmoko phone. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 edge speeds? *lol* The GTA01 at least has pure classic GPRS. Andreas Xamindar wrote: I have a simple question related to 3G. Why doesn't the neo support 3G? I have had my Cingular 3G phone for a year now and I can't imagine ever going back to Edge speeds. And sence this phone has a 640x480 screen and powerful processor it is great for the faster speed network. I would really love to change my 3G phone+Zaurus combination over to one openmoko phone. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGqm52HJdudm4KnO0RAvwOAKC8zH50pNDZXDC5EIrMm2PJLIXj7gCfYVj0 X6lFm6Ymbsha1N9miTpr6Xs= =jS3r -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Whao, I didn't know that. I assumed it at least had edge. That totally sucks if it is only has GPRS. What is going on with new phones these days? Seems like they are going backwards in speeds, i-phone and now this. HSDPA support? Why not? Is it licensing issues? Andreas Kostyrka wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 edge speeds? *lol* The GTA01 at least has pure classic GPRS. Andreas Xamindar wrote: I have a simple question related to 3G. Why doesn't the neo support 3G? I have had my Cingular 3G phone for a year now and I can't imagine ever going back to Edge speeds. And sence this phone has a 640x480 screen and powerful processor it is great for the faster speed network. I would really love to change my "3G phone+Zaurus" combination over to one openmoko phone. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGqm52HJdudm4KnO0RAvwOAKC8zH50pNDZXDC5EIrMm2PJLIXj7gCfYVj0 X6lFm6Ymbsha1N9miTpr6Xs= =jS3r -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 3G sim cards
On 28 Jul 2007, at 00:46, Xamindar wrote: Whao, I didn't know that. I assumed it at least had edge. That totally sucks if it is only has GPRS. What is going on with new phones these days? Seems like they are going backwards in speeds, i-phone and now this. HSDPA support? Why not? Is it licensing issues? HSDPA and 3G are current technologies, many vendors are big on NDAs etc, which is no good for this project. I guess in time this may change. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
3G sim cards
Is there any way to make a 3G sim card work in the device (even if it does 2.5g)? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 3G sim cards
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 They basically should work, but the device does only 2G :), no EGPRS ;) Andreas Harrison Metzger wrote: Is there any way to make a 3G sim card work in the device (even if it does 2.5g)? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGqX6ZHJdudm4KnO0RAg87AJ4mF80sUbc9NAY5HEU1mPy54BTeKgCfVU1I MydLNOmQDCrhSYR9A8zdGoI= =ZEvF -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 3G sim cards
Harrison Metzger wrote: Is there any way to make a 3G sim card work in the device (even if it does 2.5g)? yes, you won't get 3G service, but you'll still be able to use GPRS and GSM voice or data ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 3G sim cards
Harrison Metzger wrote: Is there any way to make a 3G sim card work in the device (even if it does 2.5g)? Since the Calypso chipset is 2G a 3G SIM will only work if it contains both the USIM and SIM applications. I would expect that this is the case for most operators that have both 2G and 3G networks. It is less likely that operators such as 3 would put a SIM application on their cards - at least I can't think why they would - since this would only be used by a 2G handset which couldn't use their network. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Many people (including I) have not been able to get the att 3g sim card (the one with the 3g fireball) working in our neos. The older cingular ones do work (they are 64K smart chip). I dont care if it does 2g, I would like for my att sim card to work in the phone. According to the GSM modem it gives error CME 10 (sim card not inserted). any ideas? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: 3G sim cards
Harrison Metzger wrote: Many people (including I) have not been able to get the att 3g sim card (the one with the 3g fireball) working in our neos. The older cingular ones do work (they are 64K smart chip). I dont care if it does 2g, I would like for my att sim card to work in the phone. According to the GSM modem it gives error CME 10 (sim card not inserted). any ideas? Well the ATT 3G cards are definitely have both a SIM and USIM application on them and ATT do a lot of device testing before approving the cards so it really should work. Can you say what the Vendor and Version Number of the UICC is? This is the 4 digit number beginning with a 2 under the 3g fireball on the front of the card. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
3G sim cards
I'm not actually sure what number you need. On the (what I would call front side) side with NO contacts there is the iccid number which is long. On the back (side with contacts) their are 2 numbers: 71324 and 4021 (please don't clone my phone, lol). So we don't play email tag I'm on IRC (name calamous_), could you mind hopping on or messaging me if you are already. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
