Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Steve, others, About that 8GB micro-SD card (which someone confusingly called a miniSD card earlier in this thread), steve wrote once upon a time: | I think Michael and I were supposed to test the 8GB version. | Actually Michael tests and I say wow and great and then do the happy | dance. | | He'll be back soon. We will revert on this. Then David Samblas Martinez wrote on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 6:17 AM: | I wanna see a video of that happy dance xD And then quickly steve replied: | The Happy dance | | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypnlOJjC368 And much fun ensued. :-) However, does this mean that at least one 8GB microSD card has been tested and verified working? Thanks! Groetjes, ~ Marnix -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIH2RFjn9v+6JsL6sRAv5AAKC3FNrHbgbYPo4oMLRRvUn4nztYYACg6tQZ 0A7bwL/4nsJ9V2BmVXtp1k4= =lpFv -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Any compliant headset? (Re: was FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update)
On 18 Apr 2008, at 23:12, Shawn Rutledge wrote: I would like to see future devices using a 3.5mm jack. IMO the important thing is high-quality music, whereas if you just want to talk on the phone, Bluetooth headsets are more popular these days. I haven't found a bluetooth headset which comfortably fits my ear. I'd be happy to use an over-the-head headset (like this shape http:// www.provu.co.uk/imgs/snom_headset_monaural_new.jpg) if I could find one that did bluetooth (in fact, I'd buy at least two) but right now I don't consider bluetooth an option. All I want to do is to be able to use some of the time I spend driving to return my customers' phonecalls. If this can be solved with a wired pair of earbuds (featuring a microphone on the cable) which costs pennies to produce then (to me) this is obviously better than experimenting with several bluetooth headsets which, a week or two after purchase, start dropping off my ear in the middle of a conversation. Right now, all I do when I get in my car is take my phone out of my shirt pocket, pick up the earbuds' cable from the passenger seat and plug it in; it takes 2 seconds to clip the microphone to my shirt collar. As I said before, each of the last 3 phones I've bought have come with a wired headset, but each has use a different proprietary connector. (examples: http://www.e-batteries.com.au/images/B_XAD0005_03.jpg http://www.cellexcompany.com/ebay/datacables/datacable.gif) For this reason I just assumed that one would require a headset designed specifically for the Neo. For those up in arms over paying for my cabled headset because it's an accessory they'll never use, I hope that FIC will consider the cost-benefit of this - you can undoubtedly buy such headsets, properly wired with the appropriate connector, for cents when you are buying them by the thousand from a factory in China. If device owners must buy them as a separate item then the price must reflect the hassle of stocking shipping them, and will be MUCH increased. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
Stroller wrote: On 13 Apr 2008, at 17:44, steve wrote: Not sure I understand what you mean by final Inventory. The STANDARD box contents will be a Phone and Battery. I expect to add some other goodies, but only for the first few thousand buyers. Many people have voiced there opinion to me about what EXTRAS they would like in the box ... A headset is ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL to me. I need to be able to talk whilst I drive sometimes. Of course, if you make it an optional accessory I will (reluctantly) pay extra to purchase it, but a headset has been included in my last 3 phone purchases. I agree... Btw, I hope it will be possible also to talk while driving without the headset, but using hands-free (software) feature. Simply the phone could increase both its speaker volume and its microphone sensitivity. -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update (Colours)
On 14 Apr 2008, at 19:09, steve wrote: ... Well I apologize for killing the orange/white model. When I get to place where I can figure what colors everyone wants and in what ratios, then I can easily add colors. Yellow blue!! Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
On 4/18/08, Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 13 Apr 2008, at 17:44, steve wrote: Not sure I understand what you mean by final Inventory. The STANDARD box contents will be a Phone and Battery. I expect to add some other goodies, but only for the first few thousand buyers. Many people have voiced there opinion to me about what EXTRAS they would like in the box ... A headset is ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL to me. I need to be able to talk whilst I drive sometimes. Of course, if you make it an optional accessory I will (reluctantly) pay extra to purchase it, but a headset has been included in my last 3 phone purchases. I agree. We all need a good, wired, stereo handsfree. I don't think Openmoko designed their own handsfree. It should be possible to buy it somewhere. We just need to know brand/model. But since most of us will need to buy one anyway, it would be great if it was included. -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update (Colours)
On 4/18/08, Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 14 Apr 2008, at 19:09, steve wrote: ... Well I apologize for killing the orange/white model. When I get to place where I can figure what colors everyone wants and in what ratios, then I can easily add colors. Yellow blue!! Stroller. White with blue (instead of orange) :) Each answer will be unique. Anyway, I think the current one looks great, and I really want the hardware... the colour on my dev kit is not important to me:) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
Am Fr 18. April 2008 schrieb steve: It's the first one, michale will detail all of these when he posts his getting started web page, complete with pictures, diagrams etc -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Philippe Guillebert Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 3:49 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update steve wrote: USB cable is in. Hello all, Sorry to keep that up but I see three kind of potential cables and I'm not sure which one you're talking about : - First is male USB A = freerunner (USB mini AB, I believe) : it is used for charging and using usb slave functions (usb mass storage...). This one is pretty standard and can be found in every shop. I'm guessing you're talking about this one. - The second is a female USB A = freerunner. It's used for host mode (for example, plugging a usb key or keyboard to the neo. I've got no idea if it is easy to find that one in a shop. - The third one is the famous Y cable, that is pretty much the same as #2 except it gets an additional male USB A connector in order to provide current to the neo (from any charger) while using host mode. Plus those notorious 47k ID R, plus 2 x 15K pulldown on data D+ D-. That's the *real* magic of the famous Y-cable ;-) It doesn't seem very straightforward to use (a three-way cable ?) but covers all the cases of cable #2 (hence it is more universal). Clearly spoken it breaks USB-specs when used without external power source, as a replacement for cable #2. The 15k pulldowns shouldn't be there because Freerunner is doing the pulldown when powering the USB-jack. So with Y-cable you get 7.5k pulldown instead of 15k. Probably no problem, just for the record. It definitively cannot be found in a shop and I guess this involves a cutter and some dirty electronics to make one. And a rare 5-pin mini-usb-jack to access the ID-pin :-/ (for the 47k) I hope I'm making this clearer, and wonder what we can expect in the final package ? /jOERG ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
We all? At least not me. There are a bunch of wired headsets, headphones, I never used one of it. I also haven't ever seen somebody walking around with a wired headset in the last 3 years. Imho that's one of the most useless accesoires that comes with mobiles. If I want to listen to music, I'll take my good headphones, if I want to do a call, I use my bluetooth headset. I can't see a most of us here. Most of us won't need a headset at all, some will, and some of them don't want it wired. So get it yourself if you want to pay for it. I don't. Why do you need a brand? Just get a headset with a 2.5mm plug, it should work. On 4/18/08, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/18/08, Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 13 Apr 2008, at 17:44, steve wrote: Not sure I understand what you mean by final Inventory. The STANDARD box contents will be a Phone and Battery. I expect to add some other goodies, but only for the first few thousand buyers. Many people have voiced there opinion to me about what EXTRAS they would like in the box ... A headset is ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL to me. I need to be able to talk whilst I drive sometimes. Of course, if you make it an optional accessory I will (reluctantly) pay extra to purchase it, but a headset has been included in my last 3 phone purchases. I agree. We all need a good, wired, stereo handsfree. I don't think Openmoko designed their own handsfree. It should be possible to buy it somewhere. We just need to know brand/model. But since most of us will need to buy one anyway, it would be great if it was included. -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
On 4/18/08, thomasg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We all? At least not me. There are a bunch of wired headsets, headphones, I never used one of it. I also haven't ever seen somebody walking around with a wired headset in the last 3 years. Imho that's one of the most useless accesoires that comes with mobiles. If I want to listen to music, I'll take my good headphones, if I want to do a call, I use my bluetooth headset. I can't see a most of us here. Most of us won't need a headset at all, some will, and some of them don't want it wired. So get it yourself if you want to pay for it. I don't. Why do you need a brand? Just get a headset with a 2.5mm plug, it should work. OK. I was a bit to fast here. Sorry. I should be more careful about what I write:) -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html Join the FSF as an Associate Member at: URL:http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=5774 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
thomasg wrote: We all? At least not me. There are a bunch of wired headsets, headphones, I never used one of it. I also haven't ever seen somebody walking around with a wired headset in the last 3 years. Imho that's one of the most useless accesoires that comes with mobiles. If I want to listen to music, I'll take my good headphones, if I want to do a call, I use my bluetooth headset. I can't see a most of us here. Most of us won't need a headset at all, some will, and some of them don't want it wired. So get it yourself if you want to pay for it. I don't. Why do you need a brand? Just get a headset with a 2.5mm plug, it should work. Hello, I exclusively use the neo1973 with a headset for voice synthesis feedback. When I lost the original headset, I bought three other ones elsewhere : none of them was compliant with the Neo. Thankfully, I retrieved the lost original headset... Gilles ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
A headset is ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL to me. I need to be able to talk whilst I drive sometimes. Of course, if you make it an optional accessory I will (reluctantly) pay extra to purchase it, but a headset has been included in my last 3 phone purchases. You do realize the cost of the headset would be included in the phone right? So its either we pay more for a neo, and everyone gets a headset they might throw into the bin, or everyone pays less for a neo and those people who need a new headset can buy one. When you're neo arrived take it to the store. After showing them how cool it is, try a few headsets out and buy the one you want. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
What you wrote, Gilles, is a problem. I can't imagine, that FIC produced headsets that would fit for the neo only (why should they?), so I strongly assume that the headset is a standard device. Maybe you should describe what exactly didn't work, so we can try to figure out what the problem is. I can only guess: it could be a problem with the alsa settings, or maybe the impedance of the headsets was just different. On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Gilles Casse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thomasg wrote: We all? At least not me. There are a bunch of wired headsets, headphones, I never used one of it. I also haven't ever seen somebody walking around with a wired headset in the last 3 years. Imho that's one of the most useless accesoires that comes with mobiles. If I want to listen to music, I'll take my good headphones, if I want to do a call, I use my bluetooth headset. I can't see a most of us here. Most of us won't need a headset at all, some will, and some of them don't want it wired. So get it yourself if you want to pay for it. I don't. Why do you need a brand? Just get a headset with a 2.5mm plug, it should work. Hello, I exclusively use the neo1973 with a headset for voice synthesis feedback. When I lost the original headset, I bought three other ones elsewhere : none of them was compliant with the Neo. Thankfully, I retrieved the lost original headset... Gilles ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Any compliant headset? (Re: was FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update)
thomasg wrote: What you wrote, Gilles, is a problem. I can't imagine, that FIC produced headsets that would fit for the neo only (why should they?), so I strongly assume that the headset is a standard device. Maybe you should describe what exactly didn't work, so we can try to figure out what the problem is. I can only guess: it could be a problem with the alsa settings, or maybe the impedance of the headsets was just different. Hi Thomas, all, Publish please urls where a compliant headset (2.5mm, 65 ohms, stereo, mic?) can be bought online. If there is no compliant headset, the issue will be at least identified, hopefully first step before resolution :-) . I tried 3 earphones: the first one was unusable, due to low impedance as pointed out by Joerg's answer: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-March/013791.html I did not find a 2.5mm, 65 ohms stereo earphone, and fall back to check two 3.5mm, 65 ohms Sennheiser earphones plus a 3.5/2.5mm adapter. The audio volume is correct, but now only one ear has audio. Gilles ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Any compliant headset? (Re: was FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update)
I noticed only one headphone getting sound when I was using a 3.5-2.5 adapter with a motorola phone a while ago. I would just jiggle the connection or reinsert the 3.5 slowly and it would work. Maybe you're experiencing the same thing from a similar crappy adapter. On Apr 18, 2008, at 2:15 PM, Gilles Casse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thomasg wrote: What you wrote, Gilles, is a problem. I can't imagine, that FIC produced headsets that would fit for the neo only (why should they?), so I strongly assume that the headset is a standard device. Maybe you should describe what exactly didn't work, so we can try to figure out what the problem is. I can only guess: it could be a problem with the alsa settings, or maybe the impedance of the headsets was just different. Hi Thomas, all, Publish please urls where a compliant headset (2.5mm, 65 ohms, stereo, mic?) can be bought online. If there is no compliant headset, the issue will be at least identified, hopefully first step before resolution :-) . I tried 3 earphones: the first one was unusable, due to low impedance as pointed out by Joerg's answer: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-March/013791.html I did not find a 2.5mm, 65 ohms stereo earphone, and fall back to check two 3.5mm, 65 ohms Sennheiser earphones plus a 3.5/2.5mm adapter. The audio volume is correct, but now only one ear has audio. Gilles ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Any compliant headset? (Re: was FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update)
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 2:54 PM, Richard Reichenbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I noticed only one headphone getting sound when I was using a 3.5-2.5 adapter with a motorola phone a while ago. I would just jiggle the connection or reinsert the 3.5 slowly and it would work. Maybe you're experiencing the same thing from a similar crappy adapter. I have also had this happen with an adapter I got from Fry's. It worked as badly with my Zaurus as it did with phones (and I haven't tried on the Neo). The actual Motorola adapter (a short cable with a 2.5mm right-angle plug on one end and 3.5mm jack on the other end) works much better with the devices I have tried. I would like to see future devices using a 3.5mm jack. IMO the important thing is high-quality music, whereas if you just want to talk on the phone, Bluetooth headsets are more popular these days. (And BT is not as good for music because of the lossy compression.) It's very nice to be able to directly plug in ordinary good-quality headphones for music. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Any compliant headset? (Re: was FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Gilles, i got a headset with 2,5mm with my HTC SDA2 (SDAII). Probably you might find one when searching with this. For example here: http://www.mygift.com/htc/htc-SDA-headset.html Greetings Bastian Gilles Casse schrieb: | thomasg wrote: | What you wrote, Gilles, is a problem. I can't imagine, that FIC produced headsets that would fit for the neo only (why should they?), so I strongly assume that the headset is a standard device. Maybe you should describe what exactly didn't work, so we can try to figure out what the problem is. | I can only guess: it could be a problem with the alsa settings, or maybe the impedance of the headsets was just different. | | | Hi Thomas, all, | | Publish please urls where a compliant headset (2.5mm, 65 ohms, stereo, mic?) can be bought online. If there is no compliant headset, the issue will be at least identified, hopefully first step before resolution :-) . | | I tried 3 earphones: the first one was unusable, due to low impedance as pointed out by Joerg's answer: | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-March/013791.html | | I did not find a 2.5mm, 65 ohms stereo earphone, and fall back to check two 3.5mm, 65 ohms Sennheiser earphones plus a 3.5/2.5mm adapter. The audio volume is correct, but now only one ear has audio. | | Gilles | | | ___ | Openmoko community mailing list | community@lists.openmoko.org | http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFICSwPlYiDScJJ+7QRAvwSAJ94dH4mcfibDtb2bwL5jYLVasnVIwCeP2Uy wb/cgqG4bccwcj5L6IeEo+g= =Lmj3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
mini usb to USB. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ivo Anjo Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 3:32 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update Hi. Is this the mini-usb (on OM side) -- usb (pc side), or the Y usb cable for usb host? Ivo On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 10:43 PM, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: USB cable is in. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sebastian Billaudelle Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 8:41 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update My opinion: + USB-cable is essentially! I think the nice FreeRunner won't look nice with a self-made cable... + pouch + lanyard (this is something Moko-specific like the pouch...) - no stylus - no SD-card (1/2 GByte are too small, more are too expensive) - no headset (some want big ones, others small ones...) cheers Sebastian Am Montag, den 14.04.2008, 16:48 +0200 schrieb Kevin Zuber: I totally agree with you, Marco! But I would like to add two important things: -The Pouch is more important than needed for me, it's essential. It will always be there, when I'm not using it, I also don't want a no-name pouch, because I like that one with the word openmoko on it, because it is simply great! I also like this neoprene-outfit. -The MicroSD is less than optional, because here in germany (don't know about other countries) you get an xxSD card really everywhere for just a few euros. Another point is, that I can buy that size I want to buy (depends on the money I would like to spend on it). Two notices for optional gadgets: -Lanyard: I don't think one with openmoko on it is a standard part, and I like it :) (I also think it's a really cheap but great part) -Headset: Every ones ears are other ears: small, big... and because of the standard port every headset should work. I also thought that the openmoko (GTA01) headset has no mic. Correct me if I'm wrong. Kevin Am Montag, den 14.04.2008, 02:35 +0200 schrieb Marco Trevisan (Treviño): steve ha scritto: Many people have voiced there opinion to me about what EXTRAS they would like in the box ( most of them legal) so, the team will make a decision. We won't please everybody, but it will be a rational decision, based on cost of the extra goodies, availability, and importance, and your feedback I do think that the needed goodies to have a market-ready device are: - AC Charger (better if custom) - Headset (with mic?) - Pouch (well, I figure our Freerunner will be there most of the time!) - Stylus Optional: - MicroSD - USB Cable - Lanyard ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Ich aktzeptiere keine MS Office Dokumente, weil sie 1. kein ISO Standard sind, 2. bewusst schlecht entwickelt sind und 3. nicht für alle zugänglich sind! Benutze bitte das Open Document Format - jeder kann es kostenlos öffnen - auch noch in tausenden von Jahren! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
It's the first one, michale will detail all of these when he posts his getting started web page, complete with pictures, diagrams etc -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Philippe Guillebert Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 3:49 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update steve wrote: USB cable is in. Hello all, Sorry to keep that up but I see three kind of potential cables and I'm not sure which one you're talking about : - First is male USB A = freerunner (USB mini AB, I believe) : it is used for charging and using usb slave functions (usb mass storage...). This one is pretty standard and can be found in every shop. I'm guessing you're talking about this one. - The second is a female USB A = freerunner. It's used for host mode (for example, plugging a usb key or keyboard to the neo. I've got no idea if it is easy to find that one in a shop. - The third one is the famous Y cable, that is pretty much the same as #2 except it gets an additional male USB A connector in order to provide current to the neo (from any charger) while using host mode. It doesn't seem very straightforward to use (a three-way cable ?) but covers all the cases of cable #2 (hence it is more universal). It definitively cannot be found in a shop and I guess this involves a cutter and some dirty electronics to make one. I hope I'm making this clearer, and wonder what we can expect in the final package ? Thanks ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 12:05:10PM +0200, David Samblas Martinez wrote: Regarding colors, maybe in the massmarket phase being able to customice your case as a lot of comercial moviles will be a plus to fashion victims ( My female work college has his laptop, movile phone and mp3 all in hello-kitty pink!!!) but in this stage of the process where developers are the target, no matter what case neo has, meanwhile it do the job of protect their precious inner electronics. I not agree with the stiker solutions because is matter of time than the stiker become ugly rubbished and the hole phone become stiky. The paint-it-yourself solution if you find a combination of case material//markers really permanet will be an original and great feature. sure there are some aerograph artist within us than can make very cool designs. Maybe there's someone out there with the know-how to make blank cases based on the published OM designs? I'd guess it's a matter of making suitable injection-moulded components -- front and back -- and then either ringing the changes with the plastic colour used, or just selling white ones that can then be painted and lacquered. I have no idea of the economics of injection moulding, though. Hugo. -- === Hugo Mills: [EMAIL PROTECTED] carfax.org.uk | darksatanic.net | lug.org.uk === PGP key: 515C238D from wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net or http://www.carfax.org.uk --- Modern medicine does not treat causes: headaches are not --- caused by a paracetamol deficiency. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
Hey there is nothing more dearly than a happy developer dancing after a successfull test. :) Regarding colors, maybe in the massmarket phase being able to customice your case as a lot of comercial moviles will be a plus to fashion victims ( My female work college has his laptop, movile phone and mp3 all in hello-kitty pink!!!) but in this stage of the process where developers are the target, no matter what case neo has, meanwhile it do the job of protect their precious inner electronics. I not agree with the stiker solutions because is matter of time than the stiker become ugly rubbished and the hole phone become stiky. The paint-it-yourself solution if you find a combination of case material//markers really permanet will be an original and great feature. sure there are some aerograph artist within us than can make very cool designs. --- ramsesoriginal [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 11:49 PM, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what you guys actually want to see me dance? Oh hm... YES! xD and also some of my female (and even male) friends asked about coloring: the preferred ones: -red -pink (yes, really) -blue -kiwi-green -- My corner of the web: http://blog.ramsesoriginal.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community __ Tu correo también desde el móvil. Descárgate gratis Yahoo! Go. http://es.mobile.yahoo.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
Someone with a knack for business should simply grab those CAD files and start manufacturing replacement cases in gazillion different colors. Bastian Muck pravi: What about colored stickers? I think it could be cheap to design and cut them to fit at the neo. I guess this could be a solution to many whishes for special colors. But this feature could be sold by a thirdparty-shop. And I guess, that it would be early enough to sell them when the massproduction begins. There wont be many female developers i think. ramsesoriginal schrieb: | On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 11:49 PM, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | what you guys actually want to see me dance? | | Oh hm... YES! xD | | and also some of my female (and even male) friends asked about | coloring: the preferred ones: | -red | -pink (yes, really) | -blue | -kiwi-green | ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 06:32:09PM +0200, Peter Kraker wrote: Someone with a knack for business should simply grab those CAD files and start manufacturing replacement cases in gazillion different colors. I thought the same. So I've picked an injection moulding firm more or less at random, and asked them about the costs and processes involved -- just to see what it would take to do. Hugo. -- === Hugo Mills: [EMAIL PROTECTED] carfax.org.uk | darksatanic.net | lug.org.uk === PGP key: 515C238D from wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net or http://www.carfax.org.uk --- Great oxymorons of the world, no. 2: Common Sense --- signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Colored cases, etc - Was Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
For the one off, you could check out http://www.emachineshop.com They do injection molding of various plastics in many colors. I'm not sure if you could make a profit by having them make a ton of cases and then reselling them or not. -Steven On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 5:22 AM, Hugo Mills [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe there's someone out there with the know-how to make blank cases based on the published OM designs? I'd guess it's a matter of making suitable injection-moulded components -- front and back -- and then either ringing the changes with the plastic colour used, or just selling white ones that can then be painted and lacquered. I have no idea of the economics of injection moulding, though. Hugo. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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>From the involvement I've had with injection molding the costs of material (ie the plastic) per piece it not very expensive, it's the mold tool that is the expensive part.. For one project I'm involved in I think the mold tool was something like $10KUSD.. This is a production quality (read high quality) tool... I have heard of cheaper tools out of china I think (like a few $K), but don't think the quality is as good.. Just my 2c Regards Neil Davey Hugo Mills wrote: On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 06:32:09PM +0200, Peter Kraker wrote: Someone with a knack for business should simply grab those CAD files and start manufacturing replacement cases in gazillion different colors. I thought the same. So I've picked an injection moulding firm more or less at random, and asked them about the costs and processes involved -- just to see what it would take to do. Hugo. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- --- Neil Davey Daveytronics.com.au P.O. Box 6089 Logan Central QLD, 4114 Looking for cost effective web hosting? Need a domain name for your business? It's cheaper than you think!! Talk to us and see what we can do for you --- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Colored cases, etc - Was Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
Hmm in this goal, why not Openmoko.com to sell blank case, non finished ones, witout any painting, just to be customized/adapted later ? I don't think only with painting, but integrate an eye cam or other expansion pack, or wifi external connectors for example... Even one water proof why not :) On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 6:02 PM, Steven ** [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the one off, you could check out http://www.emachineshop.com They do injection molding of various plastics in many colors. I'm not sure if you could make a profit by having them make a ton of cases and then reselling them or not. -Steven On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 5:22 AM, Hugo Mills [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe there's someone out there with the know-how to make blank cases based on the published OM designs? I'd guess it's a matter of making suitable injection-moulded components -- front and back -- and then either ringing the changes with the plastic colour used, or just selling white ones that can then be painted and lacquered. I have no idea of the economics of injection moulding, though. Hugo. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Steven Le Roux Jabber-ID : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Colored cases, etc - Was Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
I guess people could get it airbrushed if it was a matte plastic case, maybe shipped with primer already painted on it. Seems like a lot of work, but it would really fit well with the whole customization thing. Maybe FIC could start selling DIY at-home plastic injection molding kits, too ;) On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 1:04 PM, Steven Le Roux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm in this goal, why not Openmoko.com to sell blank case, non finished ones, witout any painting, just to be customized/adapted later ? I don't think only with painting, but integrate an eye cam or other expansion pack, or wifi external connectors for example... Even one water proof why not :) On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 6:02 PM, Steven ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the one off, you could check out http://www.emachineshop.com They do injection molding of various plastics in many colors. I'm not sure if you could make a profit by having them make a ton of cases and then reselling them or not. -Steven On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 5:22 AM, Hugo Mills [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe there's someone out there with the know-how to make blank cases based on the published OM designs? I'd guess it's a matter of making suitable injection-moulded components -- front and back -- and then either ringing the changes with the plastic colour used, or just selling white ones that can then be painted and lacquered. I have no idea of the economics of injection moulding, though. Hugo. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Steven Le Roux Jabber-ID : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
One goal of freeing the CAD , freeing the flesh of the phone, was to enable others to seize these opportunities. So, the CAD files for the FreeRunner are out there, before it has even shipped. I think this decision is underappreciated. The per piece cost of plastic is small. Go price a pound of plastic. The risk is tooling. We reduced that by making CAD data open. Long LONG ago, you had to pay big set up fees to Print a document. That has come down over time. I want to enable a world were you can print parts. Trust me, I am not happy when I tell people that they cant get pink. If you want pink, you should get pink. That doesnt entail that I should build pink. I enable people to make it pink by publishing CAD files. If you think pink, then I'll sell you the electronics that go under those pink platistics _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Neil Davey Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 9:18 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update From the involvement I've had with injection molding the costs of material (ie the plastic) per piece it not very expensive, it's the mold tool that is the expensive part.. For one project I'm involved in I think the mold tool was something like $10KUSD.. This is a production quality (read high quality) tool... I have heard of cheaper tools out of china I think (like a few $K), but don't think the quality is as good.. Just my 2c Regards Neil Davey Hugo Mills wrote: On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 06:32:09PM +0200, Peter Kraker wrote: Someone with a knack for business should simply grab those CAD files and start manufacturing replacement cases in gazillion different colors. I thought the same. So I've picked an injection moulding firm more or less at random, and asked them about the costs and processes involved -- just to see what it would take to do. Hugo. _ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- --- Neil Davey Daveytronics.com.au P.O. Box 6089 Logan Central QLD, 4114 Looking for cost effective web hosting? Need a domain name for your business? It's cheaper than you think!! Talk to us and see what we can do for you --- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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steve wrote: One goal of freeing the CAD , freeing the flesh of the phone, was to enable others to seize these opportunities. So, the CAD files for the FreeRunner are out there, before it has even shipped. I think this decision is underappreciated. The per piece cost of plastic is small. Go price a pound of plastic. The risk is tooling. We reduced that by making CAD data open. Long LONG ago, you had to pay big set up fees to Print a document. That has come down over time. I want to enable a world were you can print parts. Trust me, I am not happy when I tell people that they cant get pink. If you want pink, you should get pink. That doesnt entail that I should build pink. I enable people to make it pink by publishing CAD files. If you think pink, then I'll sell you the electronics that go under those pink platistics One of the reasons because I will buy a Freerunner is this openess there is in this project. Accondig me it is a so new thing that a lot of person don't understand what it mean. It is a new market, and a realy new street for an hardware producer. I hope that in the future people will understand the value of this choice :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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This is EXACTLY why we freed the CAD files -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hugo Mills Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 8:58 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 06:32:09PM +0200, Peter Kraker wrote: Someone with a knack for business should simply grab those CAD files and start manufacturing replacement cases in gazillion different colors. I thought the same. So I've picked an injection moulding firm more or less at random, and asked them about the costs and processes involved -- just to see what it would take to do. Hugo. -- === Hugo Mills: [EMAIL PROTECTED] carfax.org.uk | darksatanic.net | lug.org.uk === PGP key: 515C238D from wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net or http://www.carfax.org.uk --- Great oxymorons of the world, no. 2: Common Sense --- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Colored cases, etc - Was Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
Well, you actualy have to design the case to allow painting. Paint has THICKNESS. So if you look at the clearence for buttons, you would have one clearence for a non painted plastic and a bigger clearence for a painted plastic part. I have made this mistake before, when I wanted to change colors at the last minute and the painted plastic parts didnt exactly provide the types of clearences ( etc) that you need. All that said, there are parts on FR that could be painted without ruining fit and function. The back cover, and front cover The middle part which houses the UBS, ext ant, etc etc, is the part I would worry about painting, because of the clearence problem for the connectors and buttons that are brought out through that plane of the device. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steven Le Roux Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 10:04 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Colored cases, etc - Was Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update Hmm in this goal, why not Openmoko.com to sell blank case, non finished ones, witout any painting, just to be customized/adapted later ? I don't think only with painting, but integrate an eye cam or other expansion pack, or wifi external connectors for example... Even one water proof why not :) On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 6:02 PM, Steven ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the one off, you could check out http://www.emachineshop.com They do injection molding of various plastics in many colors. I'm not sure if you could make a profit by having them make a ton of cases and then reselling them or not. -Steven On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 5:22 AM, Hugo Mills [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe there's someone out there with the know-how to make blank cases based on the published OM designs? I'd guess it's a matter of making suitable injection-moulded components -- front and back -- and then either ringing the changes with the plastic colour used, or just selling white ones that can then be painted and lacquered. I have no idea of the economics of injection moulding, though. Hugo. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Steven Le Roux Jabber-ID : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 10:07:18AM -0700, steve wrote: One goal of freeing the CAD , freeing the flesh of the phone, was to enable others to seize these opportunities. So, the CAD files for the FreeRunner are out there, before it has even shipped. I think this decision is underappreciated. From reading this thread, I think you're right. The per piece cost of plastic is small. Go price a pound of plastic. The risk is tooling. We reduced that by making CAD data open. Long LONG ago, you had to pay big set up fees to Print a document. That has come down over time. I want to enable a world were you can print parts. Trust me, I am not happy when I tell people that they cant get pink. If you want pink, you should get pink. I thought exactly the same thing. All these people whinging (sorry if anyone takes offence, but that's how it came across to me) about not having different colours, but not realising that *they* could do their own colours. I have no experience at all in manufacturing -- my closest moment came when I did some work on production scheduling in a flour mill -- but I still thought it was worth finding out what it would cost to do it. I doubt that I'll have the capital, drive or time to bring this idea to fruition, but I might as well see what's involved... That doesnt entail that I should build pink. I enable people to make it pink by publishing CAD files. It's much appreciated. Even if I don't know what to do with it. Yet. :) If you think pink, then I'll sell you the electronics that go under those pink platistics I like either green, or funky patterns. Pink may be a way down the list if you're buying from carfax.org.uk. :) _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Neil Davey Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 9:18 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update From the involvement I've had with injection molding the costs of material (ie the plastic) per piece it not very expensive, it's the mold tool that is the expensive part.. For one project I'm involved in I think the mold tool was something like $10KUSD.. This is a production quality (read high quality) tool... I have heard of cheaper tools out of china I think (like a few $K), but don't think the quality is as good.. This is the kind of thing I was expecting -- for even an optimistic (say) 1000 pieces on that kind of pricing, it'd be, say, $12 apiece plus PP (or $22 if it's $10k per mould -- front and back). That's going to be UKP 6-11, or E 8-14. How much do other phone covers go for? (I'm not really familiar with this sort of thing). Hugo. -- === Hugo Mills: [EMAIL PROTECTED] carfax.org.uk | darksatanic.net | lug.org.uk === PGP key: 515C238D from wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net or http://www.carfax.org.uk --- No names... I want to remain anomalous. --- signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Colored cases, etc - Was Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
See what you think. The one issue might be that you have to use their design Package ( a little funky) and I don't recall being able to get an data base of your Design files. So, it's a bit sketchy on the open philosophy side of things. I havent been to their site in couple years, so lets check it out. I'm headed up tommorrow. I have FreeRunners! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Shiloh Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 9:45 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Colored cases, etc - Was Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update I've never used emachineshop, but I will ask around. Perhaps some of my friends have. Michael steve wrote: I love emachineshop. I thought of approaching them to do some kinda co promotion. Maybe Michael Shiloh can weigh in here. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steven ** Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 9:02 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Colored cases, etc - Was Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update For the one off, you could check out http://www.emachineshop.com They do injection molding of various plastics in many colors. I'm not sure if you could make a profit by having them make a ton of cases and then reselling them or not. -Steven On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 5:22 AM, Hugo Mills [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe there's someone out there with the know-how to make blank cases based on the published OM designs? I'd guess it's a matter of making suitable injection-moulded components -- front and back -- and then either ringing the changes with the plastic colour used, or just selling white ones that can then be painted and lacquered. I have no idea of the economics of injection moulding, though. Hugo. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Thanks Lon. Good comment. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lon Lentz Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 5:12 PM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update For quite a while now I've been reading comments from people saying that this issue or that issue is a deal breaker. I've been reading hardware requests and demands that stretch the gambit from quaint and interesting to just down right silly. If this is the environment in which all FOSS is developed, it's amazing we have a kernel to run it all on. I'm all about presenting and discussing ideas. But the making of demands in this environment is extreme. FIC and OM have come up with a hardware platform to meet a predetermined need and market. If someone thinks some major item is missing, create a competitor. Fork the hardware. In all fairness though, I think calling the release of the CAD files under appreciated is a little premature. Accessories companies are going to wait to see what the adoption of this phone will be like. Then they will make business decisions about risk versus benefit. If the phone does become successful, that is moving enough units to make it profitable for FIC and the accessories makers, we will see the CAD files be put to use outside of hobbiests. On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 4:45 PM, Hugo Mills [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 10:07:18AM -0700, steve wrote: One goal of freeing the CAD , freeing the flesh of the phone, was to enable others to seize these opportunities. So, the CAD files for the FreeRunner are out there, before it has even shipped. I think this decision is underappreciated. From reading this thread, I think you're right. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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- The second is a female USB A = freerunner. It's used for host mode (for example, plugging a usb key or keyboard to the neo. I've got no idea if it is easy to find that one in a shop. i want this cable so that i can plug in a MIDI interface and use my neo as a sequencing platform. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Hi. | | Is this the mini-usb (on OM side) -- usb (pc side), or the Y usb cable | for usb host? Last I heard it is miniUSB - USB A plug only. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkgEXNQACgkQOjLpvpq7dMo7ZgCfWbXrUjWrB2R+tsFpviaDgWzB Ys8AnRz+/lR3WbZYyylnb//5/rvcrsWp =v+uw -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: RE: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
A normal USB cable or a cable for connecting devices to the moko? Original-Nachricht Datum: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:43:52 -0700 Von: steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: \'List for Openmoko community discussion\' community@lists.openmoko.org Betreff: RE: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update USB cable is in. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sebastian Billaudelle Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 8:41 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update My opinion: + USB-cable is essentially! I think the nice FreeRunner won't look nice with a self-made cable... + pouch + lanyard (this is something Moko-specific like the pouch...) - no stylus - no SD-card (1/2 GByte are too small, more are too expensive) - no headset (some want big ones, others small ones...) cheers Sebastian Am Montag, den 14.04.2008, 16:48 +0200 schrieb Kevin Zuber: I totally agree with you, Marco! But I would like to add two important things: -The Pouch is more important than needed for me, it's essential. It will always be there, when I'm not using it, I also don't want a no-name pouch, because I like that one with the word openmoko on it, because it is simply great! I also like this neoprene-outfit. -The MicroSD is less than optional, because here in germany (don't know about other countries) you get an xxSD card really everywhere for just a few euros. Another point is, that I can buy that size I want to buy (depends on the money I would like to spend on it). Two notices for optional gadgets: -Lanyard: I don't think one with openmoko on it is a standard part, and I like it :) (I also think it's a really cheap but great part) -Headset: Every ones ears are other ears: small, big... and because of the standard port every headset should work. I also thought that the openmoko (GTA01) headset has no mic. Correct me if I'm wrong. Kevin Am Montag, den 14.04.2008, 02:35 +0200 schrieb Marco Trevisan (Treviño): steve ha scritto: Many people have voiced there opinion to me about what EXTRAS they would like in the box ( most of them legal) so, the team will make a decision. We won't please everybody, but it will be a rational decision, based on cost of the extra goodies, availability, and importance, and your feedback I do think that the needed goodies to have a market-ready device are: - AC Charger (better if custom) - Headset (with mic?) - Pouch (well, I figure our Freerunner will be there most of the time!) - Stylus Optional: - MicroSD - USB Cable - Lanyard ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Ich aktzeptiere keine MS Office Dokumente, weil sie 1. kein ISO Standard sind, 2. bewusst schlecht entwickelt sind und 3. nicht für alle zugänglich sind! Benutze bitte das Open Document Format - jeder kann es kostenlos öffnen - auch noch in tausenden von Jahren! -- Psst! Geheimtipp: Online Games kostenlos spielen bei den GMX Free Games! http://games.entertainment.gmx.net/de/entertainment/games/free ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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The Openmoko Freerunner: MacGyver Edition On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 1:21 AM, clare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The pouch is very nice and closes securely with its drawstring. Inside it I put a piece of vinyl floor tile; and face the Neo1973 screen to the tile, so that sharp or hard items in my bag with it are less likely to do any damage. There is room for the battery and the stylus which is homemade and tied to the phone. THe lanyard I did not like as the slipring fastener came undone unexpectedly; that is unsafe. I have replaced it with a piece of cord tied with a fisherman's knot which tightens if the main cord is pulled but is easily undone by pulling the end pieces. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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I wanna see a video of that happy dance xD --- steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: I think Michael and I were supposed to test the 8GB version. Actually Michael tests and I say wow and great and then do the happy dance. He'll be back soon. We will revert on this. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marco Trevisan (Treviño) Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 4:30 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update Ivo Anjo wrote: Finally, the miniSD card, DEFINITELY leave it off, unless you get a really really really good deal, because you can buy very high-capacity nowadays, so it doesn't make much sense to pay for 512mb or such on the neo, and then buy a multi-gb one (I am definitely getting one of those myself). I agree, I'll buy one soon too, but what's the maximum capacity actually supported (I've seen the wiki, but there are no so much tests)? I'd like to buy an 8Gb Mini-SD card... -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community __ Tu correo también desde el móvil. Descárgate gratis Yahoo! Go. http://es.mobile.yahoo.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
I do! Well, actually I probably won't get a Freerunner as I have a 1973 and limited amounts of money. However, I'd like my next phone to be in black with pink parts. B) Even more appreciated would be lime green and pink but I'm probably the only person in the world who wants that... Ortwin On 4/15/08, Bastian Muck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Has somebody eaten a clown this morning at breakfast? ;-) Of course noone really wants a pink freerunner, does someone? steve schrieb: | When I did my first MP3 in Aluminum I ran out and had it anodized gold! | I was lucky to find a place that was set up to do gold. Most | are set up for clear, black, red and blue. Guy didn't even charge me. | | | | | -Original Message- | From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Shiloh | Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 1:33 PM | To: List for Openmoko community discussion | Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update | | My daughter requests pink. | | Maybe the only one. | | I suggest we make them all white and include a pack of magic markers, so | you can color them any color you wish, or decorate to your heart's content. | | Half jokingly, | Michael | | steve wrote: | Ok, | | Well I apologize for killing the orange/white model. When I | get to place where I can figure what colors everyone wants and in what | ratios, then I can easily add colors. For now, folks are focused on the | innards and not the cosmetics. | | | | | -Original Message- | From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ian douglas | Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:38 PM | To: List for Openmoko community discussion | Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update | | Robin Paulson wrote: | 2008/4/14 Dirk Deimeke [EMAIL PROTECTED]: | I also would like to have - may be separately: | - Stylus | personally, i'd want: | *a modified charger (if one is made) | *a pouch | included, and that's it | | I think for a phone that's heavily touch-based, a stylus is a must-have. | Doesn't even need to be the fancy one that shipped with the Neo (and I'm | sad I can't buy another orange/white model like my GTA01 was but oh | well), but include *something*. | | -id | | ___ | Openmoko community mailing list | community@lists.openmoko.org | http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community | | | ___ | Openmoko community mailing list | community@lists.openmoko.org | http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community | | ___ | Openmoko community mailing list | community@lists.openmoko.org | http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community | | | ___ | Openmoko community mailing list | community@lists.openmoko.org | http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIBCfNlYiDScJJ+7QRAh9tAJ4/Tqqr+PTRj5NVw0VaaltWG0wF9wCgmzk5 WNMr/UUpVHULk2q7y+KeGbM= =MhoO -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
The Happy dance http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypnlOJjC368 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Samblas Martinez Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 6:17 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: RE: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update I wanna see a video of that happy dance xD --- steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: I think Michael and I were supposed to test the 8GB version. Actually Michael tests and I say wow and great and then do the happy dance. He'll be back soon. We will revert on this. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marco Trevisan (Treviño) Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 4:30 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update Ivo Anjo wrote: Finally, the miniSD card, DEFINITELY leave it off, unless you get a really really really good deal, because you can buy very high-capacity nowadays, so it doesn't make much sense to pay for 512mb or such on the neo, and then buy a multi-gb one (I am definitely getting one of those myself). I agree, I'll buy one soon too, but what's the maximum capacity actually supported (I've seen the wiki, but there are no so much tests)? I'd like to buy an 8Gb Mini-SD card... -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community __ Tu correo también desde el móvil. Descárgate gratis Yahoo! Go. http://es.mobile.yahoo.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
wtf? This is an hocky movie steve skrev: The Happy dance http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypnlOJjC368 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Samblas Martinez Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 6:17 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: RE: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update I wanna see a video of that happy dance xD --- steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: I think Michael and I were supposed to test the 8GB version. Actually Michael tests and I say wow and great and then do the happy dance. He'll be back soon. We will revert on this. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marco Trevisan (Treviño) Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 4:30 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update Ivo Anjo wrote: Finally, the miniSD card, DEFINITELY leave it off, unless you get a really really really good deal, because you can buy very high-capacity nowadays, so it doesn't make much sense to pay for 512mb or such on the neo, and then buy a multi-gb one (I am definitely getting one of those myself). I agree, I'll buy one soon too, but what's the maximum capacity actually supported (I've seen the wiki, but there are no so much tests)? I'd like to buy an 8Gb Mini-SD card... -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community __ Tu correo también desde el móvil. Descárgate gratis Yahoo! Go. http://es.mobile.yahoo.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
In a harlequin pattern no doubt. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ortwin Regel Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 9:10 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update I do! Well, actually I probably won't get a Freerunner as I have a 1973 and limited amounts of money. However, I'd like my next phone to be in black with pink parts. B) Even more appreciated would be lime green and pink but I'm probably the only person in the world who wants that... Ortwin On 4/15/08, Bastian Muck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Has somebody eaten a clown this morning at breakfast? ;-) Of course noone really wants a pink freerunner, does someone? steve schrieb: | When I did my first MP3 in Aluminum I ran out and had it anodized gold! | I was lucky to find a place that was set up to do gold. Most are set | up for clear, black, red and blue. Guy didn't even charge me. | | | | | -Original Message- | From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael | Shiloh | Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 1:33 PM | To: List for Openmoko community discussion | Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update | | My daughter requests pink. | | Maybe the only one. | | I suggest we make them all white and include a pack of magic | markers, so you can color them any color you wish, or decorate to | your heart's content. | | Half jokingly, | Michael | | steve wrote: | Ok, | | Well I apologize for killing the orange/white model. When I get | to place where I can figure what colors everyone wants and in what | ratios, then I can easily add colors. For now, folks are focused on | the innards and not the cosmetics. | | | | | -Original Message- | From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ian | douglas | Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:38 PM | To: List for Openmoko community discussion | Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update | | Robin Paulson wrote: | 2008/4/14 Dirk Deimeke [EMAIL PROTECTED]: | I also would like to have - may be separately: | - Stylus | personally, i'd want: | *a modified charger (if one is made) *a pouch included, and that's | it | | I think for a phone that's heavily touch-based, a stylus is a must-have. | Doesn't even need to be the fancy one that shipped with the Neo | (and I'm sad I can't buy another orange/white model like my GTA01 | was but oh well), but include *something*. | | -id | | ___ | Openmoko community mailing list | community@lists.openmoko.org | http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community | | | ___ | Openmoko community mailing list | community@lists.openmoko.org | http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community | | ___ | Openmoko community mailing list | community@lists.openmoko.org | http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community | | | ___ | Openmoko community mailing list | community@lists.openmoko.org | http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIBCfNlYiDScJJ+7QRAh9tAJ4/Tqqr+PTRj5NVw0VaaltWG0wF9wCgmzk5 WNMr/UUpVHULk2q7y+KeGbM= =MhoO -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
On 4/15/08, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Happy dance http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypnlOJjC368 Stop that, I've been Rick Rolled enough these days... :P -- Vincent ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 6:29 AM, Kosa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has somebody eaten a clown this morning at breakfast? ;-) Of course noone really wants a pink freerunner, does someone? I do! :D (just kidding) I recently was at a dinner with former colleagues. The subject turned to OpenMoko and mobile phones. I asked my female former colleague what her killer feature would be. Without hesitation she said: It has to be red. That was the ONLY requirement. When I told the story to my girl friend she said: Can I get one in red, too? Neither of them cared about about the size of,the phone (which I personally find a big too large), as they were going to carry it in their bag. I think we seriously underestimate that 50% of the population is female. If painting it red can raise the sales, I would say, go for it. /Ole ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
what you guys actually want to see me dance? _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alexander Frøyseth Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 11:53 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update wtf? This is an hocky movie steve skrev: The Happy dance http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypnlOJjC368 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Samblas Martinez Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 6:17 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: RE: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update I wanna see a video of that happy dance xD --- steve mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: I think Michael and I were supposed to test the 8GB version. Actually Michael tests and I say wow and great and then do the happy dance. He'll be back soon. We will revert on this. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marco Trevisan (Treviño) Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 4:30 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update Ivo Anjo wrote: Finally, the miniSD card, DEFINITELY leave it off, unless you get a really really really good deal, because you can buy very high-capacity nowadays, so it doesn't make much sense to pay for 512mb or such on the neo, and then buy a multi-gb one (I am definitely getting one of those myself). I agree, I'll buy one soon too, but what's the maximum capacity actually supported (I've seen the wiki, but there are no so much tests)? I'd like to buy an 8Gb Mini-SD card... -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community __ Tu correo también desde el móvil. Descárgate gratis Yahoo! Go. http://es.mobile.yahoo.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 11:49 PM, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what you guys actually want to see me dance? Oh hm... YES! xD and also some of my female (and even male) friends asked about coloring: the preferred ones: -red -pink (yes, really) -blue -kiwi-green -- My corner of the web: http://blog.ramsesoriginal.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
Ole. Let's do a thought experiment I'll sell you all the red phones you care to buy at a deep discount. In fact, I will promise never to sell a RedRunner and let you have all of the red phone market. How many would you buy? Today, they like red, yesterday it was pink, Tuesday will be herringbone. That is fashion. Skirts go up. They come down. Nothing wrong with that! But for now We are choosing a different path. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ole Tange Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 2:03 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 6:29 AM, Kosa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has somebody eaten a clown this morning at breakfast? ;-) Of course noone really wants a pink freerunner, does someone? I do! :D (just kidding) I recently was at a dinner with former colleagues. The subject turned to OpenMoko and mobile phones. I asked my female former colleague what her killer feature would be. Without hesitation she said: It has to be red. That was the ONLY requirement. When I told the story to my girl friend she said: Can I get one in red, too? Neither of them cared about about the size of,the phone (which I personally find a big too large), as they were going to carry it in their bag. I think we seriously underestimate that 50% of the population is female. If painting it red can raise the sales, I would say, go for it. /Ole ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 What about colored stickers? I think it could be cheap to design and cut them to fit at the neo. I guess this could be a solution to many whishes for special colors. But this feature could be sold by a thirdparty-shop. And I guess, that it would be early enough to sell them when the massproduction begins. There wont be many female developers i think. ramsesoriginal schrieb: | On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 11:49 PM, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | what you guys actually want to see me dance? | | Oh hm... YES! xD | | and also some of my female (and even male) friends asked about | coloring: the preferred ones: | -red | -pink (yes, really) | -blue | -kiwi-green | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIBTFwlYiDScJJ+7QRApmVAJ9An8eX324vadRnbWejA030Ns185wCeMkw6 Pd9krZNqyyxcwoht/IGZjv4= =lvt7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
My daughter is sitting right next to me and says yes, she absolutely wants one in pink. She also wants one multicolored. See, the white-and-markers idea isn't such a bad one, eh? Michael Bastian Muck wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Has somebody eaten a clown this morning at breakfast? ;-) Of course noone really wants a pink freerunner, does someone? steve schrieb: | When I did my first MP3 in Aluminum I ran out and had it anodized gold! | I was lucky to find a place that was set up to do gold. Most | are set up for clear, black, red and blue. Guy didn't even charge me. | | | | | -Original Message- | From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Shiloh | Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 1:33 PM | To: List for Openmoko community discussion | Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update | | My daughter requests pink. | | Maybe the only one. | | I suggest we make them all white and include a pack of magic markers, so | you can color them any color you wish, or decorate to your heart's content. | | Half jokingly, | Michael | | steve wrote: | Ok, | | Well I apologize for killing the orange/white model. When I | get to place where I can figure what colors everyone wants and in what | ratios, then I can easily add colors. For now, folks are focused on the | innards and not the cosmetics. | | | | | -Original Message- | From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ian douglas | Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:38 PM | To: List for Openmoko community discussion | Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update | | Robin Paulson wrote: | 2008/4/14 Dirk Deimeke [EMAIL PROTECTED]: | I also would like to have - may be separately: | - Stylus | personally, i'd want: | *a modified charger (if one is made) | *a pouch | included, and that's it | | I think for a phone that's heavily touch-based, a stylus is a must-have. | Doesn't even need to be the fancy one that shipped with the Neo (and I'm | sad I can't buy another orange/white model like my GTA01 was but oh | well), but include *something*. | | -id | | ___ | Openmoko community mailing list | community@lists.openmoko.org | http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community | | | ___ | Openmoko community mailing list | community@lists.openmoko.org | http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community | | ___ | Openmoko community mailing list | community@lists.openmoko.org | http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community | | | ___ | Openmoko community mailing list | community@lists.openmoko.org | http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIBCfNlYiDScJJ+7QRAh9tAJ4/Tqqr+PTRj5NVw0VaaltWG0wF9wCgmzk5 WNMr/UUpVHULk2q7y+KeGbM= =MhoO -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
Need to figure out how Cyanea Octopus does it http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070209-octopus-video.html -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Shiloh Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 5:23 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update My daughter is sitting right next to me and says yes, she absolutely wants one in pink. She also wants one multicolored. See, the white-and-markers idea isn't such a bad one, eh? Michael Bastian Muck wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Has somebody eaten a clown this morning at breakfast? ;-) Of course noone really wants a pink freerunner, does someone? steve schrieb: | When I did my first MP3 in Aluminum I ran out and had it anodized gold! | I was lucky to find a place that was set up to do gold. Most are set | up for clear, black, red and blue. Guy didn't even charge me. | | | | | -Original Message- | From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael | Shiloh | Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 1:33 PM | To: List for Openmoko community discussion | Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update | | My daughter requests pink. | | Maybe the only one. | | I suggest we make them all white and include a pack of magic | markers, so you can color them any color you wish, or decorate to | your heart's content. | | Half jokingly, | Michael | | steve wrote: | Ok, | | Well I apologize for killing the orange/white model. When I get | to place where I can figure what colors everyone wants and in what | ratios, then I can easily add colors. For now, folks are focused on | the innards and not the cosmetics. | | | | | -Original Message- | From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ian | douglas | Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:38 PM | To: List for Openmoko community discussion | Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update | | Robin Paulson wrote: | 2008/4/14 Dirk Deimeke [EMAIL PROTECTED]: | I also would like to have - may be separately: | - Stylus | personally, i'd want: | *a modified charger (if one is made) *a pouch included, and that's | it | | I think for a phone that's heavily touch-based, a stylus is a must-have. | Doesn't even need to be the fancy one that shipped with the Neo | (and I'm sad I can't buy another orange/white model like my GTA01 | was but oh well), but include *something*. | | -id | | ___ | Openmoko community mailing list | community@lists.openmoko.org | http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community | | | ___ | Openmoko community mailing list | community@lists.openmoko.org | http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community | | ___ | Openmoko community mailing list | community@lists.openmoko.org | http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community | | | ___ | Openmoko community mailing list | community@lists.openmoko.org | http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIBCfNlYiDScJJ+7QRAh9tAJ4/Tqqr+PTRj5NVw0VaaltWG0wF9wCgmzk5 WNMr/UUpVHULk2q7y+KeGbM= =MhoO -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Happy dance (Was FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update)
Well I hope you do only the celebration part of the video and those black things hited by the sticks are not neos steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: The Happy dance http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypnlOJjC368 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Samblas Martinez Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 6:17 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: RE: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update I wanna see a video of that happy dance xD --- steve escribió: I think Michael and I were supposed to test the 8GB version. Actually Michael tests and I say wow and great and then do the happy dance. He'll be back soon. We will revert on this. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marco Trevisan (Treviño) Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 4:30 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update Ivo Anjo wrote: Finally, the miniSD card, DEFINITELY leave it off, unless you get a really really really good deal, because you can buy very high-capacity nowadays, so it doesn't make much sense to pay for 512mb or such on the neo, and then buy a multi-gb one (I am definitely getting one of those myself). I agree, I'll buy one soon too, but what's the maximum capacity actually supported (I've seen the wiki, but there are no so much tests)? I'd like to buy an 8Gb Mini-SD card... -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community __ Tu correo también desde el móvil. Descárgate gratis Yahoo! Go. http://es.mobile.yahoo.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community - Enviado desde Correo Yahoo! Disfruta de una bandeja de entrada más inteligente.. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
Here's a youtube link to wich I belive is the same vid (could not see the one on natgeo web 'couse a lack of plugin for firefox on my mac) http://youtube.com/watch?v=5oExwxkuT_c Amaizing!!! Kosa - Un mundo mejor es posible - On 15/04/2008, at 08:15 p.m., steve wrote: Need to figure out how Cyanea Octopus does it http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070209-octopus-video.html -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Shiloh Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 5:23 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update My daughter is sitting right next to me and says yes, she absolutely wants one in pink. She also wants one multicolored. See, the white-and- markers idea isn't such a bad one, eh? Michael Bastian Muck wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Has somebody eaten a clown this morning at breakfast? ;-) Of course noone really wants a pink freerunner, does someone? steve schrieb: | When I did my first MP3 in Aluminum I ran out and had it anodized gold! | I was lucky to find a place that was set up to do gold. Most are set | up for clear, black, red and blue. Guy didn't even charge me. | | | | | -Original Message- | From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael | Shiloh | Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 1:33 PM | To: List for Openmoko community discussion | Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update | | My daughter requests pink. | | Maybe the only one. | | I suggest we make them all white and include a pack of magic | markers, so you can color them any color you wish, or decorate to | your heart's content. | | Half jokingly, | Michael | | steve wrote: | Ok, | | Well I apologize for killing the orange/white model. When I get | to place where I can figure what colors everyone wants and in what | ratios, then I can easily add colors. For now, folks are focused on | the innards and not the cosmetics. | | | | | -Original Message- | From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ian | douglas | Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:38 PM | To: List for Openmoko community discussion | Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update | | Robin Paulson wrote: | 2008/4/14 Dirk Deimeke [EMAIL PROTECTED]: | I also would like to have - may be separately: | - Stylus | personally, i'd want: | *a modified charger (if one is made) *a pouch included, and that's | it | | I think for a phone that's heavily touch-based, a stylus is a must-have. | Doesn't even need to be the fancy one that shipped with the Neo | (and I'm sad I can't buy another orange/white model like my GTA01 | was but oh well), but include *something*. | | -id | | ___ | Openmoko community mailing list | community@lists.openmoko.org | http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community | | | ___ | Openmoko community mailing list | community@lists.openmoko.org | http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community | | ___ | Openmoko community mailing list | community@lists.openmoko.org | http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community | | | ___ | Openmoko community mailing list | community@lists.openmoko.org | http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIBCfNlYiDScJJ+7QRAh9tAJ4/Tqqr+PTRj5NVw0VaaltWG0wF9wCgmzk5 WNMr/UUpVHULk2q7y+KeGbM= =MhoO -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
2008/4/14 Dirk Deimeke [EMAIL PROTECTED]: let me know what you think. My inclination is Open accessories. I agree to Open accessories. Thinks I would like to see in the box: - Charger - USB-Cable - Headset I also would like to have - may be separately: - Stylus - Pouch - MicroSD maybe i'm wrong, but i can't see om being able to source microsd cards at a competitive price. e.g. i can walk down the road and get 8gb for 80usd. even if they can source the cards cheaply, i'd rather not have the price pushed up for the sake of including one, which may or may not be a useful size for me. there's also warranties; if something other than the handset breaks, i want to be able to take it down the road to get it fixed/replaced if possible, not have to post if off and wait for a replacement to come back the other items may be more attractive, but only if they're really necessary and don't put up the price for more than i can get them at dick smiths, or are unique to the neo personally, i'd want: *a modified charger (if one is made) *a pouch included, and that's it anything else, including a generic charger, i'd prefer to source myself as and if it's needed, to keep the cost low ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
On Monday 14 April 2008 00:13, steve wrote: There will be two products. Buy 1 OR buy 10. ( in 850 and 900 versions of course) This seems like an odd decision to me, is it just a limitation of the store software you are using? Even OS Commerce can handle price breaks. The same thing happens at 15, 19 ? So, if you wanted 11 you would buy a 10 +1. and yes, this is a always an issue in volume sales. Sorry but 10+1 is never an issue in volume sales because no one does it like that. It's 10+ 100+ 1000+ etc... You don't treat 11 any different from 10 in pricing terms. -- Andy / ScaredyCat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
Robin Paulson wrote: 2008/4/14 Dirk Deimeke [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I also would like to have - may be separately: - Stylus personally, i'd want: *a modified charger (if one is made) *a pouch included, and that's it I think for a phone that's heavily touch-based, a stylus is a must-have. Doesn't even need to be the fancy one that shipped with the Neo (and I'm sad I can't buy another orange/white model like my GTA01 was but oh well), but include *something*. -id ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
Regarding a headset, how easy will it be to get a third party (wired, non-bluetooth) headset with decent sound for the Freerunner? I believe there was some discussion on the kernel list about impedances, which made it sound like many standard headsets would not give good audio, because they have too low an impedance IIRC. I would hate to have a situation where I would have to buy and discard many simpler headsets to find one with a suitable impedance. I reiterate that I am all for OpenMoko bundling 'commodity' items, but the key thing is that standard items really do work well. By the way, I guess the big capacitor that was needed to get good bass audio output ('Can we fix the audio for A5/A6/A7?' http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-April/002112.htmldiscussion on kernel list again) won't make it into the Freerunner mass production? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Charger? (was: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update)
On Mon, 2008-04-14 at 08:38 +0200, Erland Lewin wrote: 2008/4/14, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 1. We have a custom charger that can fast charge the phone. 2. Standard usb chargers will work just fine. How long will charging the phone take with the fast charger vs. a normal charger? If a standard USB charger will take on the order of 12 hours (1200 mAh battery / 100 mA, probably more due 100% efficiency), that is really borderline of what sounds acceptable, if an overnight charge won't be enough to fully charge the phone. There have been plenty of discussions about this on the lists and the great news is that the Neo can use any USB charger. I have a Neo 1973 and use it on a daily basis. The great thing is that you don't need any special charger, you can use any $5 charger and it works. There is a small program out there that can pop up a dialog whenever it sees the Neo only charging at 100mA and asking if you want to draw 500mA. It really is a non issue. I have a couple of those chargers for home/office/car/travel and they all work and charge plenty of other devices too. IMHO a great design decision to use USB for charging. Finally there is an end coming to have all these different chargers around. So I just can second Steve: 2. Standard usb chargers will work just fine. Marcus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Charger? (was: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update)
I think I'm going to have to completely disagree on this one. I RARELY plug anything into a computer to simply charge it. I'd venture almost never. The idea that I HAVE to plug a device into a computer to charge it is completely ridiculous to me. I'd bet my experience as a product marketer that consumers would feel similarly. My expectation of a cell phone (based on precedent) is that I get a wall charger with my phone. Even Apple didn't break this precedent with the iPhone. You can plug it into a cradle (connecting to a system), a wall charger, or a vehicle accessory charger. That being said, I don't know whether this custom charger is just a modified USB cable or an actual wall charger. Again, based on precedent, my expectation was that it was a wall charger. Thinking about it now I realize that perhaps that was not a good assumption to make. Just my 4 1/2 cents. On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 12:25 AM, Marcus Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2008-04-14 at 08:38 +0200, Erland Lewin wrote: 2008/4/14, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 1. We have a custom charger that can fast charge the phone. 2. Standard usb chargers will work just fine. How long will charging the phone take with the fast charger vs. a normal charger? If a standard USB charger will take on the order of 12 hours (1200 mAh battery / 100 mA, probably more due 100% efficiency), that is really borderline of what sounds acceptable, if an overnight charge won't be enough to fully charge the phone. There have been plenty of discussions about this on the lists and the great news is that the Neo can use any USB charger. I have a Neo 1973 and use it on a daily basis. The great thing is that you don't need any special charger, you can use any $5 charger and it works. There is a small program out there that can pop up a dialog whenever it sees the Neo only charging at 100mA and asking if you want to draw 500mA. It really is a non issue. I have a couple of those chargers for home/office/car/travel and they all work and charge plenty of other devices too. IMHO a great design decision to use USB for charging. Finally there is an end coming to have all these different chargers around. So I just can second Steve: 2. Standard usb chargers will work just fine. Marcus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
if it could work with Weston UM2 :) or any Shure ;) On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 8:49 AM, Erland Lewin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regarding a headset, how easy will it be to get a third party (wired, non-bluetooth) headset with decent sound for the Freerunner? I believe there was some discussion on the kernel list about impedances, which made it sound like many standard headsets would not give good audio, because they have too low an impedance IIRC. I would hate to have a situation where I would have to buy and discard many simpler headsets to find one with a suitable impedance. I reiterate that I am all for OpenMoko bundling 'commodity' items, but the key thing is that standard items really do work well. By the way, I guess the big capacitor that was needed to get good bass audio output ('Can we fix the audio for A5/A6/A7?' http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-April/002112.htmldiscussion on kernel list again) won't make it into the Freerunner mass production? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Steven Le Roux Jabber-ID : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Charger? (was: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update)
Reading your email I wonder if there is a misunderstanding here. A USB charger is not a device that gets plugged into a computer but it is simply a device that supplies power on a USB-like plug. It can be a wall charger or a car charger. If you go to ebay and type in usb charger you get plenty of hits starting from a few dollars. The only and minor issue is that these chargers don't speak the USB protocol and thus can't say hey, you can take as much as you want and I'll give you as much as I have. They simply offer voltage and current on the plus and minus lines of the USB plug. So essentially the Neo asks hey, can I have 500mA? and there is no answer. The Neo then plays safe and pulls only 100mA as to the USB standard. But the Neo can pop-up a dialog asking you hey guy, there is some unknown charger, I currently take only 100mA, shall I pull more anyway? - and this lets you use *any* USB charger out there. Be it one from Apple or one from eBay. best, marcus On Mon, 2008-04-14 at 00:57 -0700, Lowell Higley wrote: I think I'm going to have to completely disagree on this one. I RARELY plug anything into a computer to simply charge it. I'd venture almost never. The idea that I HAVE to plug a device into a computer to charge it is completely ridiculous to me. I'd bet my experience as a product marketer that consumers would feel similarly. My expectation of a cell phone (based on precedent) is that I get a wall charger with my phone. Even Apple didn't break this precedent with the iPhone. You can plug it into a cradle (connecting to a system), a wall charger, or a vehicle accessory charger. That being said, I don't know whether this custom charger is just a modified USB cable or an actual wall charger. Again, based on precedent, my expectation was that it was a wall charger. Thinking about it now I realize that perhaps that was not a good assumption to make. Just my 4 1/2 cents. On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 12:25 AM, Marcus Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2008-04-14 at 08:38 +0200, Erland Lewin wrote: 2008/4/14, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 1. We have a custom charger that can fast charge the phone. 2. Standard usb chargers will work just fine. How long will charging the phone take with the fast charger vs. a normal charger? If a standard USB charger will take on the order of 12 hours (1200 mAh battery / 100 mA, probably more due 100% efficiency), that is really borderline of what sounds acceptable, if an overnight charge won't be enough to fully charge the phone. There have been plenty of discussions about this on the lists and the great news is that the Neo can use any USB charger. I have a Neo 1973 and use it on a daily basis. The great thing is that you don't need any special charger, you can use any $5 charger and it works. There is a small program out there that can pop up a dialog whenever it sees the Neo only charging at 100mA and asking if you want to draw 500mA. It really is a non issue. I have a couple of those chargers for home/office/car/travel and they all work and charge plenty of other devices too. IMHO a great design decision to use USB for charging. Finally there is an end coming to have all these different chargers around. So I just can second Steve: 2. Standard usb chargers will work just fine. Marcus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
Hi, I spoke to my wife (typical end user). She expects a - computer independent charger - headset - pouch Best regards Dirk ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 10:56 AM, Ivo Anjo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be cool also if the Y-cable needed for powered usb host was included. Since I understand that the cable is kind of custom, and that's one of the highlights of the neo (being able to connect usb stuff directly to it), I think it should be included. [SNIP] Now that's a good idea. +1 on this one! -- My corner of the web: http://blog.ramsesoriginal.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
It would be cool also if the Y-cable needed for powered usb host was included. Since I understand that the cable is kind of custom, and that's one of the highlights of the neo (being able to connect usb stuff directly to it), I think it should be included. I also agree with including the charger. As for the pouch and the stylus, they would be nice, but if needed they can be cut off. Finally, the miniSD card, DEFINITELY leave it off, unless you get a really really really good deal, because you can buy very high-capacity nowadays, so it doesn't make much sense to pay for 512mb or such on the neo, and then buy a multi-gb one (I am definitely getting one of those myself). Ivo On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 9:18 AM, Steven Le Roux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if it could work with Weston UM2 :) or any Shure ;) On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 8:49 AM, Erland Lewin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regarding a headset, how easy will it be to get a third party (wired, non-bluetooth) headset with decent sound for the Freerunner? I believe there was some discussion on the kernel list about impedances, which made it sound like many standard headsets would not give good audio, because they have too low an impedance IIRC. I would hate to have a situation where I would have to buy and discard many simpler headsets to find one with a suitable impedance. I reiterate that I am all for OpenMoko bundling 'commodity' items, but the key thing is that standard items really do work well. By the way, I guess the big capacitor that was needed to get good bass audio output ('Can we fix the audio for A5/A6/A7?' http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-April/002112.htmldiscussion on kernel list again) won't make it into the Freerunner mass production? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Steven Le Roux Jabber-ID : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
Hi, On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 09:56:10 +0100 Ivo Anjo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be cool also if the Y-cable needed for powered usb host was included. Since I understand that the cable is kind of custom, and that's one of the highlights of the neo (being able to connect usb stuff directly to it), I think it should be included. as far as I understand, the Y-cable was needed when you want to power your neo at the same time you want to connect an external device to it. So the cable is not needed if you just want to attach an usb device. Greetings Andreas Kemnade signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
On Mon, 2008-04-14 at 12:36 +0200, Andreas Kemnade wrote: It would be cool also if the Y-cable needed for powered usb host was included. Since I understand that the cable is kind of custom, and that's one of the highlights of the neo (being able to connect usb stuff directly to it), I think it should be included. as far as I understand, the Y-cable was needed when you want to power your neo at the same time you want to connect an external device to it. So the cable is not needed if you just want to attach an usb device. AFAIK the Freerunner provides only 100mA. If you want to connect an external usb-powered harddrive you need another power source. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
count on my vote on this one, Y cable must be a must ;) --- ramsesoriginal [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 10:56 AM, Ivo Anjo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be cool also if the Y-cable needed for powered usb host was included. Since I understand that the cable is kind of custom, and that's one of the highlights of the neo (being able to connect usb stuff directly to it), I think it should be included. [SNIP] Now that's a good idea. +1 on this one! -- My corner of the web: http://blog.ramsesoriginal.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community __ Tu correo también desde el móvil. Descárgate gratis Yahoo! Go. http://es.mobile.yahoo.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Charger? (was: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update)
Well, you'll get used to it :) USB-Charging is fine. You can use a standard usb-wallcharger as well as any mini-usb cable or usb-carchargers and so on. I have some devices that can only be loaded over usb and some who can also use a proprietary charger. I mostly use usb, because I have a dozend chargers for that. I agree that a charger should be included, but at least we have to know if it will. Also there's still the fast_cccv issue, means you have to explicitly allow the device to charge at a high rate if the charger isn't a usb-host. As there will be no charger included, I think this should be activated in the official distribution by default to allow charging without hacks. It should also be clear, that there is warranty for this method of charging, as there is no officially allowed solution included. On 4/14/08, Lowell Higley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I'm going to have to completely disagree on this one. I RARELY plug anything into a computer to simply charge it. I'd venture almost never. The idea that I HAVE to plug a device into a computer to charge it is completely ridiculous to me. I'd bet my experience as a product marketer that consumers would feel similarly. My expectation of a cell phone (based on precedent) is that I get a wall charger with my phone. Even Apple didn't break this precedent with the iPhone. You can plug it into a cradle (connecting to a system), a wall charger, or a vehicle accessory charger. That being said, I don't know whether this custom charger is just a modified USB cable or an actual wall charger. Again, based on precedent, my expectation was that it was a wall charger. Thinking about it now I realize that perhaps that was not a good assumption to make. Just my 4 1/2 cents. On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 12:25 AM, Marcus Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2008-04-14 at 08:38 +0200, Erland Lewin wrote: 2008/4/14, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 1. We have a custom charger that can fast charge the phone. 2. Standard usb chargers will work just fine. How long will charging the phone take with the fast charger vs. a normal charger? If a standard USB charger will take on the order of 12 hours (1200 mAh battery / 100 mA, probably more due 100% efficiency), that is really borderline of what sounds acceptable, if an overnight charge won't be enough to fully charge the phone. There have been plenty of discussions about this on the lists and the great news is that the Neo can use any USB charger. I have a Neo 1973 and use it on a daily basis. The great thing is that you don't need any special charger, you can use any $5 charger and it works. There is a small program out there that can pop up a dialog whenever it sees the Neo only charging at 100mA and asking if you want to draw 500mA. It really is a non issue. I have a couple of those chargers for home/office/car/travel and they all work and charge plenty of other devices too. IMHO a great design decision to use USB for charging. Finally there is an end coming to have all these different chargers around. So I just can second Steve: 2. Standard usb chargers will work just fine. Marcus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Charger? (was: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update)
2008/4/14, Marcus Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [...] the great news is that the Neo can use any USB charger. I have a Neo 1973 and use it on a daily basis. The great thing is that you don't need any special charger, you can use any $5 charger and it works. There is a small program out there that can pop up a dialog whenever it sees the Neo only charging at 100mA and asking if you want to draw 500mA. Sounds good, I'm satisfied! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
Ivo Anjo wrote: Finally, the miniSD card, DEFINITELY leave it off, unless you get a really really really good deal, because you can buy very high-capacity nowadays, so it doesn't make much sense to pay for 512mb or such on the neo, and then buy a multi-gb one (I am definitely getting one of those myself). I agree, I'll buy one soon too, but what's the maximum capacity actually supported (I've seen the wiki, but there are no so much tests)? I'd like to buy an 8Gb Mini-SD card... -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
steve wrote: [...] your feedback Here are my 2 cents: Must have: Neo ;) Stylus Optional: Charger (Would be useful, at least for end user, so he's sure he doesn't stress a normal usb charger too much (500mA)) Not want: Headset (Most of them are crap and I don't even open the plastic bag anymore, but unless the hardware gets fixed it probably doesn't matter, because you want a battery-sucking Bluetooth headset to get hifi sound) MicroSD (I think everyone has specific needs for his own and personally I don't want to pay extra for a MicroSD card I will never use) Things I'd like to purchase separatly: - Car charger/holder - Y-USB-Cable for hostmode/charging ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
I would say that it must have: - the phone - the fancy stylus - headset Optionally: - extra battery - Y-cable Not: - SD card - charger ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Custom cable and custom charger (was: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update)
IIRC, the custom cable is actually part of the charger, i.e. charger and cable is one unit. If you think about it, this makes sense: If the cable were a separate unit, you might plug the cable by accident into a charger (or worse, your laptop) that could not deliver 1 Amp, the phone would think it was hooked up to our custom charger and would start sucking 1 Amp. At best, it wouldn't work, worse, it would damage your charger, worse yet, it would damage the USB circuitry in your computer, very worst, it would start a fire. So the only safe place to install the custom ID resistor is in a charger or charger+cable assembly that is known to be able to safely source 1 Amp. I will document how to create such a custom cable, and I will provide sources and part numbers for the connectors, but users will have to be careful that this cable isn't inadvertently used with a charger not capable of providing 1 Amp. Michael Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: Lowell Higley ha scritto: 1) include the custom (closed) cable or at least make it an option I do agree with this... Also if the cable is sold only by Openmoko it should be there, since it's a so important thing for using the phone as a standard phone (I not always have my PC around, and neither I should have electronics knowledge to build my own cable). If some people doesn't agree with its philosophy, he could simply choose not to include it on the pack, or simply, to resell it... Imho it would be a too closed view, btw! 2) ensure the manual includes that a standard USB cable will work. Be sure to list the limitations of said cable. (I think the wiki has this but it needs to be in the docs that go with the phone.) Ok, this could be a workaround, but just a workaround for me... 3) publish the pinout / construction of the custom cable. Maybe publish the BOM and your source of those items. Perhaps a 3rd party could make a small ebay fortune out of this item. Of course for keeping up our idea and to help who loves self-making you'll have absolutely to publish these informations! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
I use toothpicks. Free in most restaurants, every Swiss army knife has one, and impossible to accidentally shine the laser into your eye. :-) steve wrote: Ha, Dont go encouraging me with wacky ideas I like. *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *JW *Sent:* Sunday, April 13, 2008 7:27 PM *To:* List for Openmoko community discussion *Subject:* Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update But is the software going to depend on a stylus? If so, it should be made very clear when purchasing that the customer will need to get one. Even better would be to include a simple cheap one, it would be better then nothing. i think we should include a ten-pack of cocktail sticks plus a groovy small rubber stick holder on the back of the phone.disposable styli... works for me... i am always losing them anyway... JW ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
I think the only thing in that list I would want with the Freerunner is the USB cable (as I don't have many mini-USB cables). I already have a nice bluetooth headset and MicroSD card. Any of those included with the Freerunner would be useless for me and would seem a waste of money to me, personally. Obviously this is only my opinion. I suppose to others, the USB cable is useless but they really need a headset or something. Everyone will have different needs, so I don't think you should even try to make everyone happy. I say only include the minimum required for the phone to be usable. Everything else can be purchased separately. -Steven On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Joseph Jon Booker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 16:13:16 -0700 I think the issue is that the neo1973 came with some items, * Headset * Neo pouch * Kickass 4-in-1 Stylus * Lanyard * MicroSD * USB Cable * Neo Tools (in Advance kit) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
Not providing SD card could take off taxes about private copy or other bullshits like that from RIAA and friends... as I said in a previous mail. To me charger should be provided, with stylus, headset and pouch at least. On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Mikko Rauhala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On ma, 2008-04-14 at 13:29 +0200, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: I agree, I'll buy one soon too, but what's the maximum capacity actually supported (I've seen the wiki, but there are no so much tests)? I'd like to buy an 8Gb Mini-SD card... I have a 8 GB one (Sandisk) in my Neo right now. Well, not mini. Micro. Different things. The SDHC spec theoretically goes up to 2048 GB, however an arbitrary cap of 32 GB has been (at least for now) set by the SD Card Association according to Wikipedia. Go figure. Anyway, at least up to the 32 GB mark new cards should work, let's see if they'll break the spec again at that point to sell new devices... -- Mikko Rauhala [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Helsinki ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Steven Le Roux Jabber-ID : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
On ma, 2008-04-14 at 13:29 +0200, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: I agree, I'll buy one soon too, but what's the maximum capacity actually supported (I've seen the wiki, but there are no so much tests)? I'd like to buy an 8Gb Mini-SD card... I have a 8 GB one (Sandisk) in my Neo right now. Well, not mini. Micro. Different things. The SDHC spec theoretically goes up to 2048 GB, however an arbitrary cap of 32 GB has been (at least for now) set by the SD Card Association according to Wikipedia. Go figure. Anyway, at least up to the 32 GB mark new cards should work, let's see if they'll break the spec again at that point to sell new devices... -- Mikko Rauhala [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Helsinki ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
On Mon Apr 14 12:58:04 CEST 2008 Jay Vaughan wrote: But you still have to hack up a cable to make it work. Thus, it should be included in the Freeruner, in my opinion .. It is not necessary to modify a cable to fast charge the device. All that is needed is something like [1] (which costs US$3) and the software from [2] and you have fast charging without modifying a cable or relying upon the folks from OpenMoko to get into the accessory business. The only thing that the the custom charger does is include a resistor that provides GTA0x a way to recognize the charger so that it automatically draws the full amount and [2] isn't needed. Opening the accessory business is A Good Thing. Including a charger is not necessary. [1] http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.11566 [2] http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/thunder/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
It is not necessary to modify a cable to fast charge the device. All that is needed is something like [1] (which costs US$3) and the software from [2] and you have fast charging without modifying a cable or relying upon the folks from OpenMoko to get into the accessory business. I want this cable not for charging, but for using USB devices with the Freerunner / neo1973 .. so in that instance, it shouldn't be included? I feel its a bit dodgy expecting customers to hack up their own cable to use USB devices - unless there is a cable that can be purchased out there already that will give us this capability? ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
I totally agree with you, Marco! But I would like to add two important things: -The Pouch is more important than needed for me, it's essential. It will always be there, when I'm not using it, I also don't want a no-name pouch, because I like that one with the word openmoko on it, because it is simply great! I also like this neoprene-outfit. -The MicroSD is less than optional, because here in germany (don't know about other countries) you get an xxSD card really everywhere for just a few euros. Another point is, that I can buy that size I want to buy (depends on the money I would like to spend on it). Two notices for optional gadgets: -Lanyard: I don't think one with openmoko on it is a standard part, and I like it :) (I also think it's a really cheap but great part) -Headset: Every ones ears are other ears: small, big... and because of the standard port every headset should work. I also thought that the openmoko (GTA01) headset has no mic. Correct me if I'm wrong. Kevin Am Montag, den 14.04.2008, 02:35 +0200 schrieb Marco Trevisan (Treviño): steve ha scritto: Many people have voiced there opinion to me about what EXTRAS they would like in the box ( most of them legal) so, the team will make a decision. We won't please everybody, but it will be a rational decision, based on cost of the extra goodies, availability, and importance, and your feedback I do think that the needed goodies to have a market-ready device are: - AC Charger (better if custom) - Headset (with mic?) - Pouch (well, I figure our Freerunner will be there most of the time!) - Stylus Optional: - MicroSD - USB Cable - Lanyard ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
What should be included in packaging (was: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update)
I am one of those crazy people who use the neo 1973 as their everyday phone, and I NEVER use the pouch. Does any current every day user use the pouch or lanyard? I lost the stylus (it's way too cool; if you forget it at a restaurant or something, you don't get a call asking if you want it back :-) For me, the must have list would be just the charger. However, to me this seems like a super-simple problem to solve! By default (after the 'goodies' release, of course), you just get the phone. Anything else may be useless junk to any particular customer, destined for a landfill. By default, you just get the phone, but you are given a little list of all the extras with a checkbox for each to see if you want it in your package. They are reasonably priced, and shipped in the same packaging as the phone. There is clear text that you will need a Neo specific charger to automatically get fast charge, and that only a 2.5 mm headphone compatible with X mobile phone will work. Something like this: Your shopping cart: 1 $399 Neo FreeRunner Would you like any of the following add-ons? [ ] $9.99 Wall charger (the Neo can only fast charge from a Neo compatible charger or a computer USB cable) (*What is this?*) [ ] $3.99 USB to mini-A cable (*What is this?*) [ ] $9.99 powered USB host cable (*What is this?*) [ ] $2.99 cool Neo FreeRunner lanyard (*What is this?*) ... Of course, I'm sure other answers seem just as obviously correct to others :-) Bobby Not providing SD card could take off taxes about private copy or other bullshits like that from RIAA and friends... as I said in a previous mail. To me charger should be provided, with stylus, headset and pouch at least. -- Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country. — Hermann Göring at the Nuremberg trials ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
My opinion: + USB-cable is essentially! I think the nice FreeRunner won't look nice with a self-made cable... + pouch + lanyard (this is something Moko-specific like the pouch...) - no stylus - no SD-card (1/2 GByte are too small, more are too expensive) - no headset (some want big ones, others small ones...) cheers Sebastian Am Montag, den 14.04.2008, 16:48 +0200 schrieb Kevin Zuber: I totally agree with you, Marco! But I would like to add two important things: -The Pouch is more important than needed for me, it's essential. It will always be there, when I'm not using it, I also don't want a no-name pouch, because I like that one with the word openmoko on it, because it is simply great! I also like this neoprene-outfit. -The MicroSD is less than optional, because here in germany (don't know about other countries) you get an xxSD card really everywhere for just a few euros. Another point is, that I can buy that size I want to buy (depends on the money I would like to spend on it). Two notices for optional gadgets: -Lanyard: I don't think one with openmoko on it is a standard part, and I like it :) (I also think it's a really cheap but great part) -Headset: Every ones ears are other ears: small, big... and because of the standard port every headset should work. I also thought that the openmoko (GTA01) headset has no mic. Correct me if I'm wrong. Kevin Am Montag, den 14.04.2008, 02:35 +0200 schrieb Marco Trevisan (Treviño): steve ha scritto: Many people have voiced there opinion to me about what EXTRAS they would like in the box ( most of them legal) so, the team will make a decision. We won't please everybody, but it will be a rational decision, based on cost of the extra goodies, availability, and importance, and your feedback I do think that the needed goodies to have a market-ready device are: - AC Charger (better if custom) - Headset (with mic?) - Pouch (well, I figure our Freerunner will be there most of the time!) - Stylus Optional: - MicroSD - USB Cable - Lanyard ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Ich aktzeptiere keine MS Office Dokumente, weil sie 1. kein ISO Standard sind, 2. bewusst schlecht entwickelt sind und 3. nicht für alle zugänglich sind! Benutze bitte das Open Document Format - jeder kann es kostenlos öffnen - auch noch in tausenden von Jahren! signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Charger? (was: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update)
I think my main concern is I see USB Cable and USB Charger used interchangeably in these messages. They are not one and the same. So which is that we are talking about? On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 1:29 AM, Marcus Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reading your email I wonder if there is a misunderstanding here. A USB charger is not a device that gets plugged into a computer but it is simply a device that supplies power on a USB-like plug. It can be a wall charger or a car charger. If you go to ebay and type in usb charger you get plenty of hits starting from a few dollars. The only and minor issue is that these chargers don't speak the USB protocol and thus can't say hey, you can take as much as you want and I'll give you as much as I have. They simply offer voltage and current on the plus and minus lines of the USB plug. So essentially the Neo asks hey, can I have 500mA? and there is no answer. The Neo then plays safe and pulls only 100mA as to the USB standard. But the Neo can pop-up a dialog asking you hey guy, there is some unknown charger, I currently take only 100mA, shall I pull more anyway? - and this lets you use *any* USB charger out there. Be it one from Apple or one from eBay. best, marcus On Mon, 2008-04-14 at 00:57 -0700, Lowell Higley wrote: I think I'm going to have to completely disagree on this one. I RARELY plug anything into a computer to simply charge it. I'd venture almost never. The idea that I HAVE to plug a device into a computer to charge it is completely ridiculous to me. I'd bet my experience as a product marketer that consumers would feel similarly. My expectation of a cell phone (based on precedent) is that I get a wall charger with my phone. Even Apple didn't break this precedent with the iPhone. You can plug it into a cradle (connecting to a system), a wall charger, or a vehicle accessory charger. That being said, I don't know whether this custom charger is just a modified USB cable or an actual wall charger. Again, based on precedent, my expectation was that it was a wall charger. Thinking about it now I realize that perhaps that was not a good assumption to make. Just my 4 1/2 cents. On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 12:25 AM, Marcus Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2008-04-14 at 08:38 +0200, Erland Lewin wrote: 2008/4/14, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 1. We have a custom charger that can fast charge the phone. 2. Standard usb chargers will work just fine. How long will charging the phone take with the fast charger vs. a normal charger? If a standard USB charger will take on the order of 12 hours (1200 mAh battery / 100 mA, probably more due 100% efficiency), that is really borderline of what sounds acceptable, if an overnight charge won't be enough to fully charge the phone. There have been plenty of discussions about this on the lists and the great news is that the Neo can use any USB charger. I have a Neo 1973 and use it on a daily basis. The great thing is that you don't need any special charger, you can use any $5 charger and it works. There is a small program out there that can pop up a dialog whenever it sees the Neo only charging at 100mA and asking if you want to draw 500mA. It really is a non issue. I have a couple of those chargers for home/office/car/travel and they all work and charge plenty of other devices too. IMHO a great design decision to use USB for charging. Finally there is an end coming to have all these different chargers around. So I just can second Steve: 2. Standard usb chargers will work just fine. Marcus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What should be included in packaging (was: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update)
Hi, I think you are right. There are two main opinions on getting the phone. The geek way and the end user way. Geeks have other needs or wishes than end users have. What about addon packs to a basic phone with charger? Dirk ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What should be included in packaging (was: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update)
On Mon, 2008-04-14 at 10:33 -0500, Bobby Martin wrote: I lost the stylus (it's way too cool; if you forget it at a restaurant or something, you don't get a call asking if you want it back :-) They are $3 a piece w/ shipping included if you take ten. For example this one here: http://cgi.ebay.com/10-x-4in1-Red-LASER-Pointer-LED-Torch-PDA-Stylus-PEN_W0QQitemZ220223455957QQihZ012QQ No need to buy another Neo to get a new pen ;-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What should be included in packaging (was: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update)
I'm in the same position as Bobby. I use my Neo as my primary phone as well as my digital media player. I haven't touched the lanyard or the pouch since I took them out of the box. But I also don't use my stylus. My stylus was neat in the beginning, because I could use it to play with my cats, but as a functional part of the Neo I find it a hinderance. I bring this up because I think it MIGHT be relevant. The Neo doesn't have a slot for a stylus. In the discussion of what will be an accessory and what will be part of the package, I think the stylus is the only one that has an actual impact to the software. If the stylus is NOT included in the box, the software should be written in a way to not need it. I'd personally be QUITE happy with this but I'm pretty sure there are many people who would disagree. But if the software won't be thumb oriented, the stylus is NOT an accessory. I like Bobby's idea, the click here to buy this accessory but I think Steve has pretty much ruled that out. Openmoko isn't going to purchase and stock items without a profit and if it did that, it would be passing unneeded expense to the customer. What I think is the most prudent method to take is to have an openmoko branded Approved stamp. This could be community OR vendor initiated. I know that my iGo charger works without issue on the Neo with the Check Fast Charge applet. I see no reason that Openmoko couldn't recommend this on the site once the product goes mainstream. It would allow the customer to make their own decisions, still leave a TON of options, let the customer pick the best price and ensure a decently high level of quality. On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 12:47 PM, Marcus Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2008-04-14 at 10:33 -0500, Bobby Martin wrote: I lost the stylus (it's way too cool; if you forget it at a restaurant or something, you don't get a call asking if you want it back :-) They are $3 a piece w/ shipping included if you take ten. For example this one here: http://cgi.ebay.com/10-x-4in1-Red-LASER-Pointer-LED-Torch-PDA-Stylus-PEN_W0QQitemZ220223455957QQihZ012QQ No need to buy another Neo to get a new pen ;-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
Sorry, I want to keep things as simple as possible for our shipping folks. So, that's the current plan. I'll make rational adjustments as time goes forward. Think about the 10 pack as a bulk product. That's what it is. Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Powell Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:30 PM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update On Monday 14 April 2008 00:13, steve wrote: There will be two products. Buy 1 OR buy 10. ( in 850 and 900 versions of course) This seems like an odd decision to me, is it just a limitation of the store software you are using? Even OS Commerce can handle price breaks. The same thing happens at 15, 19 ? So, if you wanted 11 you would buy a 10 +1. and yes, this is a always an issue in volume sales. Sorry but 10+1 is never an issue in volume sales because no one does it like that. It's 10+ 100+ 1000+ etc... You don't treat 11 any different from 10 in pricing terms. -- Andy / ScaredyCat ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
yes, I am trying to balance all of these issues and keep the ordering process and fulfillment process simplified. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robin Paulson Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:33 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update 2008/4/14 Dirk Deimeke [EMAIL PROTECTED]: let me know what you think. My inclination is Open accessories. I agree to Open accessories. Thinks I would like to see in the box: - Charger - USB-Cable - Headset I also would like to have - may be separately: - Stylus - Pouch - MicroSD maybe i'm wrong, but i can't see om being able to source microsd cards at a competitive price. e.g. i can walk down the road and get 8gb for 80usd. even if they can source the cards cheaply, i'd rather not have the price pushed up for the sake of including one, which may or may not be a useful size for me. there's also warranties; if something other than the handset breaks, i want to be able to take it down the road to get it fixed/replaced if possible, not have to post if off and wait for a replacement to come back the other items may be more attractive, but only if they're really necessary and don't put up the price for more than i can get them at dick smiths, or are unique to the neo personally, i'd want: *a modified charger (if one is made) *a pouch included, and that's it anything else, including a generic charger, i'd prefer to source myself as and if it's needed, to keep the cost low ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What should be included in packaging (was: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update)
That's a good idea, but for the most part that approved stamp can be fulfilled through the wiki. I'm sure there is already list of compatible hardware / devices that work with the NEO. I suggest you add your iGo charger to that list. On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Kevin Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm in the same position as Bobby. I use my Neo as my primary phone as well as my digital media player. I haven't touched the lanyard or the pouch since I took them out of the box. But I also don't use my stylus. My stylus was neat in the beginning, because I could use it to play with my cats, but as a functional part of the Neo I find it a hinderance. I bring this up because I think it MIGHT be relevant. The Neo doesn't have a slot for a stylus. In the discussion of what will be an accessory and what will be part of the package, I think the stylus is the only one that has an actual impact to the software. If the stylus is NOT included in the box, the software should be written in a way to not need it. I'd personally be QUITE happy with this but I'm pretty sure there are many people who would disagree. But if the software won't be thumb oriented, the stylus is NOT an accessory. I like Bobby's idea, the click here to buy this accessory but I think Steve has pretty much ruled that out. Openmoko isn't going to purchase and stock items without a profit and if it did that, it would be passing unneeded expense to the customer. What I think is the most prudent method to take is to have an openmoko branded Approved stamp. This could be community OR vendor initiated. I know that my iGo charger works without issue on the Neo with the Check Fast Charge applet. I see no reason that Openmoko couldn't recommend this on the site once the product goes mainstream. It would allow the customer to make their own decisions, still leave a TON of options, let the customer pick the best price and ensure a decently high level of quality. On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 12:47 PM, Marcus Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2008-04-14 at 10:33 -0500, Bobby Martin wrote: I lost the stylus (it's way too cool; if you forget it at a restaurant or something, you don't get a call asking if you want it back :-) They are $3 a piece w/ shipping included if you take ten. For example this one here: http://cgi.ebay.com/10-x-4in1-Red-LASER-Pointer-LED-Torch-PDA-Stylus-PEN_W0QQitemZ220223455957QQihZ012QQ No need to buy another Neo to get a new pen ;-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
Good question. I have copied Michael Shiloh on this mail. He's on travel now. If I tried to answer your question I would just beclown myself. So, Michael, can you recap the charger technical details. perhaps an update on the Wiki. Charger FAQS. etc. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erland Lewin Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:38 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update 2008/4/14, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 1. We have a custom charger that can fast charge the phone. 2. Standard usb chargers will work just fine. How long will charging the phone take with the fast charger vs. a normal charger? If a standard USB charger will take on the order of 12 hours (1200 mAh battery / 100 mA, probably more due 100% efficiency), that is really borderline of what sounds acceptable, if an overnight charge won't be enough to fully charge the phone. I fully sympathise and agree with using easily accessible hardware, but if standard chargers take this long, perhaps the next hardware generation should use something like easily available Nokia chargers or similar. If it were possible to inexpensively construct some adapter cable to existing commodity chargers to charge the Freerunner at 1 amp, that would of course be an option too. I realize this wouldn't be ready for the upcoming developer release. /Erland ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What should be included in packaging (was: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update)
I'll add it at some point. The reason I haven't is because right now the Fast Charge applet isn't part of the Openmoko stack. A default image of Openmoko doesn't support this charger in fast mode (which is the ONLY think I'm concerened about, frankly). And... This might show my own biases, but I can't STAND wiki. The general consensus among commoners is that, because wiki can be changed by anyone, they're unreliable. I know this isn't the case, and i do assume that the vast majority of people are doing things with good intention, but having OFFICIAL documentation on a wiki is about as good for the average consumer as having no documentation at all. On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Tim Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's a good idea, but for the most part that approved stamp can be fulfilled through the wiki. I'm sure there is already list of compatible hardware / devices that work with the NEO. I suggest you add your iGo charger to that list. On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Kevin Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm in the same position as Bobby. I use my Neo as my primary phone as well as my digital media player. I haven't touched the lanyard or the pouch since I took them out of the box. But I also don't use my stylus. My stylus was neat in the beginning, because I could use it to play with my cats, but as a functional part of the Neo I find it a hinderance. I bring this up because I think it MIGHT be relevant. The Neo doesn't have a slot for a stylus. In the discussion of what will be an accessory and what will be part of the package, I think the stylus is the only one that has an actual impact to the software. If the stylus is NOT included in the box, the software should be written in a way to not need it. I'd personally be QUITE happy with this but I'm pretty sure there are many people who would disagree. But if the software won't be thumb oriented, the stylus is NOT an accessory. I like Bobby's idea, the click here to buy this accessory but I think Steve has pretty much ruled that out. Openmoko isn't going to purchase and stock items without a profit and if it did that, it would be passing unneeded expense to the customer. What I think is the most prudent method to take is to have an openmoko branded Approved stamp. This could be community OR vendor initiated. I know that my iGo charger works without issue on the Neo with the Check Fast Charge applet. I see no reason that Openmoko couldn't recommend this on the site once the product goes mainstream. It would allow the customer to make their own decisions, still leave a TON of options, let the customer pick the best price and ensure a decently high level of quality. On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 12:47 PM, Marcus Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2008-04-14 at 10:33 -0500, Bobby Martin wrote: I lost the stylus (it's way too cool; if you forget it at a restaurant or something, you don't get a call asking if you want it back :-) They are $3 a piece w/ shipping included if you take ten. For example this one here: http://cgi.ebay.com/10-x-4in1-Red-LASER-Pointer-LED-Torch-PDA-Stylus-PEN_W0QQitemZ220223455957QQihZ012QQ No need to buy another Neo to get a new pen ;-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
Ok, Well I apologize for killing the orange/white model. When I get to place where I can figure what colors everyone wants and in what ratios, then I can easily add colors. For now, folks are focused on the innards and not the cosmetics. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ian douglas Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:38 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update Robin Paulson wrote: 2008/4/14 Dirk Deimeke [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I also would like to have - may be separately: - Stylus personally, i'd want: *a modified charger (if one is made) *a pouch included, and that's it I think for a phone that's heavily touch-based, a stylus is a must-have. Doesn't even need to be the fancy one that shipped with the Neo (and I'm sad I can't buy another orange/white model like my GTA01 was but oh well), but include *something*. -id ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
Thanks Erland, I'm getting more info on the audio performance. I'll have samples arrive in a couple of days and test the audio myself. Bass for music was reported as a potential weakspot. So, I have to listen to it. Then I have to make my input. WRT the big CAP. I don't track the passive component changes on the board. I'm marketing. I track the performance. So, I'll have a listen and then make my input before we go ahead. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erland Lewin Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:50 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update Regarding a headset, how easy will it be to get a third party (wired, non-bluetooth) headset with decent sound for the Freerunner? I believe there was some discussion on the kernel list about impedances, which made it sound like many standard headsets would not give good audio, because they have too low an impedance IIRC. I would hate to have a situation where I would have to buy and discard many simpler headsets to find one with a suitable impedance. I reiterate that I am all for OpenMoko bundling 'commodity' items, but the key thing is that standard items really do work well. By the way, I guess the big capacitor that was needed to get good bass audio output ('Can http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-April/002112.html we fix the audio for A5/A6/A7?' discussion on kernel list again) won't make it into the Freerunner mass production? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
Well I apologize for killing the orange/white model. When I get to place where I can figure what colors everyone wants and in what ratios, then I can easily add colors. For now, folks are focused on the innards and not the cosmetics. In the days of Henry Ford, it made sense to say You can have any color you like, as long as it's black. The next year, competitors went wild with colors, leading to the frenzy of of new-car-year style changes that we put up with today. :-) OTOH, today it does make sense to say it, because the CAD files are up. And while nobody could afford to build their own Model T, today many people that can afford a FreeRunner and that want fancy colors can in fact build a RepRap (see http://theories.darwinsys.com/2008/03/09/120508800.html) and make their own cases. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
The RapRep doesn't have the precision needed to build a Neo case, and last I checked, didn't have varied enough base materials to make a study, opaque, and APPEALING case. Put simply multi-colored cases are purely a looks thing. The CAD files are out there and someone who wanted to sell after market cases and felt that there was sustainable demand to be profitable doing it, could. I'm willing to bet that in typical mobile phone fashion there will be a wide variety of stickers and shells for the device long before there are new case kits. For a single unit, it would probably be cheaper to buy a spare case and have an automotive body expert paint it. On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 2:39 PM, Ian Darwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I apologize for killing the orange/white model. When I get to place where I can figure what colors everyone wants and in what ratios, then I can easily add colors. For now, folks are focused on the innards and not the cosmetics. In the days of Henry Ford, it made sense to say You can have any color you like, as long as it's black. The next year, competitors went wild with colors, leading to the frenzy of of new-car-year style changes that we put up with today. :-) OTOH, today it does make sense to say it, because the CAD files are up. And while nobody could afford to build their own Model T, today many people that can afford a FreeRunner and that want fancy colors can in fact build a RepRap (see http://theories.darwinsys.com/2008/03/09/120508800.html) and make their own cases. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Charger? (was: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update)
Thanks Lowell. The phone will ship with a wall charger. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lowell Higley Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 12:58 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Charger? (was: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update) I think I'm going to have to completely disagree on this one. I RARELY plug anything into a computer to simply charge it. I'd venture almost never. The idea that I HAVE to plug a device into a computer to charge it is completely ridiculous to me. I'd bet my experience as a product marketer that consumers would feel similarly. My expectation of a cell phone (based on precedent) is that I get a wall charger with my phone. Even Apple didn't break this precedent with the iPhone. You can plug it into a cradle (connecting to a system), a wall charger, or a vehicle accessory charger. That being said, I don't know whether this custom charger is just a modified USB cable or an actual wall charger. Again, based on precedent, my expectation was that it was a wall charger. Thinking about it now I realize that perhaps that was not a good assumption to make. Just my 4 1/2 cents. On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 12:25 AM, Marcus Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2008-04-14 at 08:38 +0200, Erland Lewin wrote: 2008/4/14, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 1. We have a custom charger that can fast charge the phone. 2. Standard usb chargers will work just fine. How long will charging the phone take with the fast charger vs. a normal charger? If a standard USB charger will take on the order of 12 hours (1200 mAh battery / 100 mA, probably more due 100% efficiency), that is really borderline of what sounds acceptable, if an overnight charge won't be enough to fully charge the phone. There have been plenty of discussions about this on the lists and the great news is that the Neo can use any USB charger. I have a Neo 1973 and use it on a daily basis. The great thing is that you don't need any special charger, you can use any $5 charger and it works. There is a small program out there that can pop up a dialog whenever it sees the Neo only charging at 100mA and asking if you want to draw 500mA. It really is a non issue. I have a couple of those chargers for home/office/car/travel and they all work and charge plenty of other devices too. IMHO a great design decision to use USB for charging. Finally there is an end coming to have all these different chargers around. So I just can second Steve: 2. Standard usb chargers will work just fine. Marcus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
Ok thanks dirk. Frankly, some people thought the pouch sucked. If I ship a pouch, you have no choice. you get my pouch. My opinion: it's a phone sock. Ideally I would love to have the community develop this accessory if they want it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dirk Deimeke Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 1:56 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update Hi, I spoke to my wife (typical end user). She expects a - computer independent charger - headset - pouch Best regards Dirk ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
I think Michael and I were supposed to test the 8GB version. Actually Michael tests and I say wow and great and then do the happy dance. He'll be back soon. We will revert on this. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marco Trevisan (Treviño) Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 4:30 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update Ivo Anjo wrote: Finally, the miniSD card, DEFINITELY leave it off, unless you get a really really really good deal, because you can buy very high-capacity nowadays, so it doesn't make much sense to pay for 512mb or such on the neo, and then buy a multi-gb one (I am definitely getting one of those myself). I agree, I'll buy one soon too, but what's the maximum capacity actually supported (I've seen the wiki, but there are no so much tests)? I'd like to buy an 8Gb Mini-SD card... -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
Sort of off topic here (very) but i think the GTAV3 (or whatever next model) should have some form of firewire, would prove extremely handy whenever your around locked windows machines and feel that urge to poke around ^_^ ontopic: I personally haven't owned a Neo yet, but i think the pouch would probably be most used for travelling and moving abouts, me for instance would most likely use the pouch to protect the screen when going back and forth to work/school in my backpack. But this is ofcourse up to each person what they want to do, as for the stylus: I feel that it should be a part of the package, but for the future maybe some sort of sleeve you can fit around the phone with some accessories could be made? With a stylus holder ( a smaller stylus) along with whatever other goodies one might need? About the headset, i dont know, it's illegal to drive and talk on the phone without a headset here in Norway but shipping some really cheap headset that 99% of the buyers might not use is rather pointless, instead there could just be recommendations on the website or on the wiki about which ones give good sound quality and work well with the phone. Regards Kristoffer steve skrev: Ok thanks dirk. Frankly, some people thought the pouch sucked. If I ship a pouch, you have no choice. you get my pouch. My opinion: it's a phone sock. Ideally I would love to have the community develop this accessory if they want it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dirk Deimeke Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 1:56 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update Hi, I spoke to my wife (typical end user). She expects a - computer independent charger - headset - pouch Best regards Dirk ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
How to develop such a phone sock? OK, my mother is quite good at knitting, but... ;-) I could post some design proposals... cheers Sebastian P.S.: I asked my mother and some neighbours: - charger - pouch - lanyard nothing else... Am Montag, den 14.04.2008, 12:36 -0700 schrieb steve: Ok thanks dirk. Frankly, some people thought the pouch sucked. If I ship a pouch, you have no choice. you get my pouch. My opinion: it's a phone sock. Ideally I would love to have the community develop this accessory if they want it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dirk Deimeke Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 1:56 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update Hi, I spoke to my wife (typical end user). She expects a - computer independent charger - headset - pouch Best regards Dirk ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Ich aktzeptiere keine MS Office Dokumente, weil sie 1. kein ISO Standard sind, 2. bewusst schlecht entwickelt sind und 3. nicht für alle zugänglich sind! Benutze bitte das Open Document Format - jeder kann es kostenlos öffnen - auch noch in tausenden von Jahren! signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
Haha. I remember that. I use chopsticks and squizzle sticks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Shiloh Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 5:51 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update I use toothpicks. Free in most restaurants, every Swiss army knife has one, and impossible to accidentally shine the laser into your eye. :-) steve wrote: Ha, Dont go encouraging me with wacky ideas I like. *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *JW *Sent:* Sunday, April 13, 2008 7:27 PM *To:* List for Openmoko community discussion *Subject:* Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update But is the software going to depend on a stylus? If so, it should be made very clear when purchasing that the customer will need to get one. Even better would be to include a simple cheap one, it would be better then nothing. i think we should include a ten-pack of cocktail sticks plus a groovy small rubber stick holder on the back of the phone.disposable styli... works for me... i am always losing them anyway... JW ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community