On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 11:05:53AM +0100, arne anka wrote:
With the risk of being completely OT - you all
know that the QWERTY keyboard was designed for
the specific purpose of not having the hammers
of the typewriter clash if you type too fast ?
There's nothing very ergonomical about
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 01:56:26PM +0100, arne anka wrote:
Quoth Wikipedia --
so, wikipedia is the source of TRUTH(TM) now?
No, but it's an excellent cache for it. Try to find a better verified
one with comparable levels of accessibility and breadth.
btw, if you read correctly you would
Less bulky would be nice. KB would be nice. To be able to phone with it
would also be nice.
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With the risk of being completely OT - you all
know that the QWERTY keyboard was designed for
the specific purpose of not having the hammers
of the typewriter clash if you type too fast ?
There's nothing very ergonomical about them.
In that perspective, qwerty layouts have been
legacy since
Jelle De Loecker wrote:
Dale Maggee schreef:
Jelle De Loecker wrote:
I wonder if most people's need for a physical keyboard is a
consequence of the GTA02's small screen. (Well, it's too small to
use as a screen AND a keyboard at the same time, I think)
Just make the screen big enough
3
JW wrote:
Ok Community,
vote and tell OM what you want for the next phone
[also realise this is still a long time away and Freerunner is available to
buy
now!]
1) touchscreen (no qwerty buttons) - freerunner, HTC Orbit, iphone
2) qwerty keyboard and tracker ball - blackberry curve
Dale Maggee wrote:
definitely 3) qwerty + touchscreen
This shouldn't be too hard to do, I don't think it's too much to ask of
OM - surely the keyboard could be a built-in USB keyboard, which would
mean that all the software etc is already there. All we'd need is a way
to disable the
On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Jelle De Loecker [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
I wonder if most people's need for a physical keyboard is a consequence of
the GTA02's small screen. (Well, it's too small to use as a screen AND a
keyboard at the same time, I think)
No I just prefer real keyboards
important than the 'click' feeling. A key has edges, and the feel of the
key under your finger means you don't have to be looking at the keyboard
to be able to type. Again, a soft keyboard can never achieve this.
How about having the keyboard on one side and the screen on the other?
Since
Another option could be a simple flip phone with the standard telephone keypad.
Also, the demographic on the mailing list may be different from the demographic
of openmoko's target market(s), so this vote might not be useful for them.
Despite that, I vote #3 and I would like a 'right click'
On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 8:39 PM, JW [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
1) touchscreen (no qwerty buttons) - freerunner, HTC Orbit, iphone
2) qwerty keyboard and tracker ball - blackberry curve
3) combination touchscreen plus qwerty - G1
In the order of preference - (3), (1).
But, sure, only when normal
#1 no frame around the screen.
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On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 15:51, Dareus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
#1 no frame around the screen.
The same, #1 without frames, like iPhone
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3) combination touchscreen plus qwerty - G1
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On Saturday 25 October 2008 17:39:18 JW wrote:
vote and tell OM what you want for the next phone
1) touchscreen (no qwerty buttons) - freerunner, HTC Orbit, iphone
2) qwerty keyboard and tracker ball - blackberry curve
3) combination touchscreen plus qwerty - G1
As others have said, lets not
Think of it this way - buttons or softkeyboards or touchscreens are just
another input method - which we already have a choice of and methods to
change so the only real impact on the coders should be the expansion of
options.
The real concern is cost - things like a treo keyboard are not cheap
Am Sunday 26 October 2008 11:26:48 schrieb William Kenworthy:
(and how I wish I could permanently disable that @##$$% dictionary rubbish)
You're so right! If it only had some german dictionary, now I'm somehow forced
to name my calendar entries in english... *g*
-Marcel
On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 07:26:48PM +0900, William Kenworthy wrote:
While some things like the terminal keyboard (and how I wish I could
permanently disable that @##$$% dictionary rubbish) could be fixed in
software, its the softkey approach thats flawed.
Replace with a better one, create a new
On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 11:37:45AM +0100, Marcel wrote:
Am Sunday 26 October 2008 11:26:48 schrieb William Kenworthy:
(and how I wish I could permanently disable that @##$$% dictionary rubbish)
You're so right! If it only had some german dictionary, now I'm somehow
forced
to name my
Hi all, my vote - number one;
and in order of preference;
1) touchscreen (no qwerty buttons)
3) combination touchscreen plus qwerty
2) qwerty keyboard and tracker ball
On 26/10/2008, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 11:37:45AM +0100, Marcel wrote:
Am
On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 2:39 AM, JW [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ok Community,
vote and tell OM what you want for the next phone
[also realise this is still a long time away and Freerunner is available to
buy
now!]
1) touchscreen (no qwerty buttons) - freerunner, HTC Orbit, iphone
2)
Big enough touch screen (for finger-friendly keyboard) + some more buttons
(for menu navigation or games) - like on HP iPAQs. This is basically 2).
2) qwerty keyboard and tracker ball - blackberry curve
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2008/10/26 Radek Bartoň [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Big enough touch screen (for finger-friendly keyboard) + some more buttons
(for menu navigation or games) - like on HP iPAQs. This is basically 2).
+1
as this will help in using the device with only one hand, actually is it not
so easy with only the
big touchscreen without borders and a few hw buttons
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I wonder if most people's need for a physical keyboard is a consequence
of the GTA02's small screen. (Well, it's too small to use as a screen
AND a keyboard at the same time, I think)
Just make the screen big enough to use the virtual keyboard easily, I
think the iPhone proved it can work
On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 12:39 PM, JW [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
1) touchscreen (no qwerty buttons) - freerunner, HTC Orbit, iphone
2) qwerty keyboard and tracker ball - blackberry curve
3) combination touchscreen plus qwerty - G1
I vote (1) touchscreen. It would also be nice to change the AUX
Jelle De Loecker wrote:
I wonder if most people's need for a physical keyboard is a
consequence of the GTA02's small screen. (Well, it's too small to use
as a screen AND a keyboard at the same time, I think)
Just make the screen big enough to use the virtual keyboard easily, I
think the
On Sun, 26 Oct 2008 20:43:12 +0100, Jelle De Loecker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I wonder if most people's need for a physical keyboard is a consequence
of the GTA02's small screen. (Well, it's too small to use as a screen
AND a keyboard at the same time, I think)
Just make the screen big
Hi
The reason I want a physical keyboard is because I much prefer a
keyboard with tactile feedback - you can feel the button, and you can
feel it click down when you press it.
With the risk of being completely OT - you all
know that the QWERTY keyboard was designed for
the specific purpose
Dale Maggee schreef:
Jelle De Loecker wrote:
I wonder if most people's need for a physical keyboard is a
consequence of the GTA02's small screen. (Well, it's too small to use
as a screen AND a keyboard at the same time, I think)
Just make the screen big enough to use the virtual keyboard
JW wrote:
Ok Community,
vote and tell OM what you want for the next phone
1) touchscreen (no qwerty buttons) - freerunner, HTC Orbit, iphone
2) qwerty keyboard and tracker ball - blackberry curve
3) combination touchscreen plus qwerty - G1
if (SizeOf(GTA03-screen) SizeOf(GTA02-screen)
Sunday 26 October 2008 pike wrote:
Hi
The reason I want a physical keyboard is because I much prefer a
keyboard with tactile feedback - you can feel the button, and you can
feel it click down when you press it.
With the risk of being completely OT - you all
know that the QWERTY keyboard
Ok Community,
vote and tell OM what you want for the next phone
[also realise this is still a long time away and Freerunner is available to buy
now!]
1) touchscreen (no qwerty buttons) - freerunner, HTC Orbit, iphone
2) qwerty keyboard and tracker ball - blackberry curve
3) combination
1) touchscreen (no qwerty buttons) - freerunner, HTC Orbit, iphone
2) qwerty keyboard and tracker ball - blackberry curve
3) combination touchscreen plus qwerty - G1
4) 5-way-rocker switch (maybe with two softkeys left and right) -- palm pda
the only thing i miss right now (maybe someone
Am Samstag, 25. Oktober 2008 schrieb JW:
Ok Community,
vote and tell OM what you want for the next phone
[also realise this is still a long time away and Freerunner is available to
buy now!]
1) touchscreen (no qwerty buttons) - freerunner, HTC Orbit, iphone
2) qwerty keyboard and tracker
3) combination touchscreen plus qwerty - G1
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Data: 25 października 2008 18:39
Temat: GTA03 - buttons or touchscreen
Ok Community,
vote and tell OM what you want for the next phone
[also realise this is still a long time away and Freerunner
Saturday 25 October 2008 JW wrote:
Ok Community,
vote and tell OM what you want for the next phone
[also realise this is still a long time away and Freerunner is available to
buy now!]
1) touchscreen (no qwerty buttons) - freerunner, HTC Orbit, iphone
2) qwerty keyboard and tracker ball -
Best: Combo
Could also live with: TS only
-Marcel
Am Saturday 25 October 2008 18:39:18 schrieb JW:
Ok Community,
vote and tell OM what you want for the next phone
[also realise this is still a long time away and Freerunner is available to
buy now!]
1) touchscreen (no qwerty buttons) -
2) qwerty keyboard and tracker ball - blackberry curve
Would be my option.
Paul
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3) Definitely keyboard and touchscreen.
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Combo would be great (maybe some kind of these slide-display-sideways
things).
TS only would work too, if a combo is too much.
Am 25.10.2008 18:39, JW schrieb:
Ok Community,
vote and tell OM what you want for the next phone
[also realise this is still a long time away and Freerunner is
1) or 2) could then keep the software stack more minimal - no
software keyboard necessary, so us geeks can run some ncurses/terminal
based minimal UI and freak people out.
2008/10/25 Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
2) qwerty keyboard and tracker ball - blackberry curve
Would be my option.
Paul
2) or 3) could then keep the software stack more minimal - no
software keyboard necessary, so us geeks can run some ncurses/terminal
based minimal UI and freak people out.
(forget my previous mail, nasty brainfart there)
2008/10/25 Thorben Krueger [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
1) or 2) could then keep the
Touch Screen only but without borders - like in Iphone.
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Thorben Krueger wrote:
1) or 2) could then keep the software stack more minimal - no
software keyboard necessary, so us geeks can run some ncurses/terminal
based minimal UI and freak people out.
Ah-yeah! I am so with you!! :-)
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In order of preference:
Combination keyboard + qwerty
Keyboard + trackball
Touchscreen (Preferably with a few extra physical buttons though)
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I vote for option 3 (everything else on the market is now a touch
screen, we can't take a step back)
JW wrote:
Ok Community,
vote and tell OM what you want for the next phone
[also realise this is still a long time away and Freerunner is available to
buy
now!]
1) touchscreen (no
#3 for sure.
On October 25, 2008, JW wrote:
Ok Community,
vote and tell OM what you want for the next phone
[also realise this is still a long time away and Freerunner is available to
buy now!]
1) touchscreen (no qwerty buttons) - freerunner, HTC Orbit, iphone
2) qwerty keyboard and
JW
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Saturday 25 October 2008 Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen wrote:
Saturday 25 October 2008 JW wrote:
Ok Community,
vote and tell OM what you want for the next phone
[also realise this is still a long time away and Freerunner is available
to buy now!]
1) touchscreen (no qwerty buttons) -
I like option 1 and agree the the screen should be more flush with the
border.
-Jason
On Sat, 2008-10-25 at 18:50 +0200, arne anka wrote:
1) touchscreen (no qwerty buttons) - freerunner, HTC Orbit, iphone
2) qwerty keyboard and tracker ball - blackberry curve
3) combination touchscreen
definitely 3) qwerty + touchscreen
This shouldn't be too hard to do, I don't think it's too much to ask of
OM - surely the keyboard could be a built-in USB keyboard, which would
mean that all the software etc is already there. All we'd need is a way
to disable the on-screen keyboard, something
Something that could be interesting to ponder, with regards to the
combo layout, is Sony's keypad add-on. It is designed so that one can
run his finger over the keys and use it as a track pad, presumably via
some kind of touch sensitive surface. It's a very cool idea and could
be a useful control
On Saturday 25 October 2008 18:39:18 JW wrote:
2) qwerty keyboard and tracker ball - blackberry curve
3) combination touchscreen plus qwerty - G1
technically the G1 has a trackball as well, but i got to say, i have a
fondness for slideout keyboards. that is, if the buttons are of the right
On Saturday 25 October 2008 19:55:53 Dylan McCall wrote:
Something that could be interesting to ponder, with regards to the
combo layout, is Sony's keypad add-on. It is designed so that one can
run his finger over the keys and use it as a track pad, presumably via
some kind of touch sensitive
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Ok Community,
vote and tell OM what you want for the next phone
1) touchscreen (no qwerty buttons) - freerunner, HTC Orbit, iphone
2) qwerty keyboard and tracker ball - blackberry curve
3) combination touchscreen plus qwerty - G1
In order of preference;
2008/10/25 JW [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Ok Community,
vote and tell OM what you want for the next phone
[also realise this is still a long time away and Freerunner is available to
buy
now!]
1) touchscreen (no qwerty buttons) - freerunner, HTC Orbit, iphone
2) qwerty keyboard and tracker ball
My preferences, in order:
3) combination touchscreen plus qwerty
1) touchscreen (no qwerty buttons)
2) qwerty keyboard and tracker ball
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Am Saturday 25 October 2008 19:08:28 schrieb Paul:
Thorben Krueger wrote:
1) or 2) could then keep the software stack more minimal - no
software keyboard necessary, so us geeks can run some ncurses/terminal
based minimal UI and freak people out.
Ah-yeah! I am so with you!! :-)
THAT
On 25 Oct 2008, at 17:39, JW wrote:
vote and tell OM what you want for the next phone
[also realise this is still a long time away and Freerunner is
available to buy
now!]
1) touchscreen (no qwerty buttons) - freerunner, HTC Orbit, iphone
2) qwerty keyboard and tracker ball - blackberry
I was undecided but Stroller really hit the point for me, so I vote 1)
On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 08:09:56PM +0100, Stroller wrote:
On 25 Oct 2008, at 17:39, JW wrote:
vote and tell OM what you want for the next phone
[also realise this is still a long time away and Freerunner is
3) combination touchscreen plus qwerty - G1
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On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 9:39 AM, JW [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
1) touchscreen (no qwerty buttons) - freerunner, HTC Orbit, iphone
2) qwerty keyboard and tracker ball - blackberry curve
3) combination touchscreen plus qwerty - G1
Would prefer 3, touchscreen plus KB, but only if it doesn't make
1) no, the FR is the best reason why this sucks really bad
2) No, too limited
3) Yes, when I compare the FR to my 3 yr old Palm treo - the palm wins
easily in almost every way
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On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 16:39:18 + (UTC) JW [EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:
hate to drape a wet cloth over the party - but you do know that these kind of
changes are not going into GTA03... because it's too late - 6-9 months ago
would have given it a chance (though om have their own plans so you have
1) touchscreen (no qwerty buttons) - freerunner, HTC Orbit, iphone
2) qwerty keyboard and tracker ball - blackberry curve
3) combination touchscreen plus qwerty - G1
Mostly touchscreen with a slide out keyboard sounds good.
Also the touchscreen would be well served by a couple extra buttons.
On 2008.10.25.14.44, Ian Stephen wrote:
| In order of preference;
|
| 3) combo : if it's a slide out with big keys ie HTC Touch Pro
| 1) touchscreen : not quite as deep set as GTA02
| 2) qwerty tracker ball : I'd rather not physically reduce screen space
Same here. Though continued
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