Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
Michele Renda пишет: > Hello to all > > I would like to know how do you like to read the phone number: > ... > > Please, who has some time, can you please write your country (Italy, > France, etc.) and the way how usually is normal to read a phone number > in your country (with international prefix) > > The format I use to descrive is this: +39 ### * or +1-###-* (where # > replace a char, and * replace all remaining chars) > > Thank you a lot for your time In Russia it is common and safe to read/write phone number this way: +7 ### ###-##-## or (the "old" standard) 8 ### ###-##-## On incoming call or message the operator usually "tells" (on a somehow unrelated note, what's the right verb for this action? :D) the number in it's full form, i.e. "+7##". User can also dial only part of the number (usually last 5 to 7 digits), if he makes a local call. The grouping of digits begins from the end, e.g. ###-##-##, ##-##-##, #-##-##. Numbers with less than 5 digits are usually service numbers, and can be written just in one group. Digit groups are separated by hyphen, but in full number it is preferred to separate the first group (area code), which is right after the +7 or 8, by spaces. The actual standard for writing phone numbers is a little more complicated and requires knowledge of area codes, mobile operator codes and so on. If anyone is interested, I could explain in more detail. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
Tilman Baumann wrote:
> DIN specification for German numbers is AFAIK
>
> +49 (1 23) 1 23 45 68
>
> That is, area code in parentheses and each number block in sets of two,
> but from right to left. ("1 23 45" instead of "12 34 5")
Ah, and btw. There is no fixed number length. Phone numbers can range
from tree digits to seven and probably more.
Some countries seem to have fixed length, so that's probably important.
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Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
Michele Renda wrote: > Hello to all > > I would like to know how do you like to read the phone number: > > I try to explain: when we read a phone number we usually like to separe > it with some spaces or signs: > for example in Italy when someone give me a mobile phone number I > usually write: > > +39 347 123456 > > Or if it is a fixed number: > > +39 02 123456 or +39 011 123456 > > But I know in USA is more common something like: +1-212-123456 > > Please, who has some time, can you please write your country (Italy, > France, etc.) and the way how usually is normal to read a phone number > in your country (with international prefix) > > The format I use to descrive is this: +39 ### * or +1-###-* (where # > replace a char, and * replace all remaining chars) > > Thank you a lot for your time > Michele Renda > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community For Norway: +47 xxx xx xxx(mobile numbers) +47 xx xx xx xx (fixed numbers) The mobile numbers all start with either 4 or 9 after the +47 part. For details: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_numbers_in_Norway If you have sufficiently advanced typography, then the space separating the groups should be a thin space rather than a normal interword space. Unicode and a proportional font should suffice for this. Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
Hi, Switzerland From outside (many people write all their numbers like this, gives the "international" trend...) : +41 xx yyy yy yy From inside : 0xx yyy yy yy Where "xx" is the regional code. AFAIK, mobile phones are always "7x", with x = 6, 8, 9 And you can replace the initial "+" by "00" in the international version. Regards, OdyX -- Swisslinux.org − Le carrefour GNU/Linux en Suisse − http://www.swisslinux.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
DIN specification for German numbers is AFAIK
+49 (1 23) 1 23 45 68
That is, area code in parentheses and each number block in sets of two,
but from right to left. ("1 23 45" instead of "12 34 5")
Alternative variant for area code for not fully canonical numbers is (01
23) ... (0 prefix within the area code)
Really a pitty that there is no universal method. But I have to say, i
like this one pretty much.
Michele Renda wrote:
> Hello to all
>
> I would like to know how do you like to read the phone number:
>
> I try to explain: when we read a phone number we usually like to separe
> it with some spaces or signs:
> for example in Italy when someone give me a mobile phone number I
> usually write:
>
> +39 347 123456
>
> Or if it is a fixed number:
>
> +39 02 123456 or +39 011 123456
>
> But I know in USA is more common something like: +1-212-123456
>
> Please, who has some time, can you please write your country (Italy,
> France, etc.) and the way how usually is normal to read a phone number
> in your country (with international prefix)
>
> The format I use to descrive is this: +39 ### * or +1-###-* (where #
> replace a char, and * replace all remaining chars)
>
> Thank you a lot for your time
> Michele Renda
>
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Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
William Kenworthy wrote: > A question: if you always dial a local number with the international and > STD prefixes (which is what I think you are suggesting here) - under > what regime will you get charged??? > > As a local call, or an international call? > > Could get *VERY* expensive :) > Redundant prefixes does not make the calls more expensive in Norway. I guess this is true for the rest of Europe too. It'd be incredibly silly if I had to have several entries for the same contacts depending on how near them I am. :-/ So I normally have +47 on my contacts, so that their numbers works outside Norway too. Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
In Turkey, our numbers are 7 digit excluding area codes. If you're calling within your city you tell the number as ### ## ## If it is an inter-city call, you dial 0*** ### ## ## where *** is the city code. Mobile numbers also have three digit codes like they are different cities. Finally, if you dial into Turkey from abroad, you dial +90 *** ### ## ## But when I'm abroad, or telling the number to somebody in English, I tell it digit by digit. On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 11:32 PM, Pander wrote: > For the thread that could be a mailing list on its own: > > I've noticed a funny effect on reading out numbers in different > languages. I'm from the Netherlands and here we say 'eight-and-twenty' > (achtentwintig) for the number 28. In English, you'd say twenty-eight. > This reverse reading is also in German, but not in French. It differs > from language to language. > > After spending half a year in an English speaking country, I noticed > that after I came back I had difficulties writing down numbers like this > when someone said them to me. This audio-to-written-conversion task was > difficult for my brain since it was confused whether to use the English > or Dutch reading. I experienced this not only with telephone numbers but > also when writing down numbers from laboratory test in university when > someone else would read out the measurements of the devices. > > However, paying in a shop when someone would read out the price of > something is not a problem at all. I asked more people that stayed > abroad for a longer period of time where a language is spoken that also > interchanges the reading of the numbers, if they had the same challenges > and some did. > > So when someone says to me, my (eight digit) telephone number is > twenty-eight thirty-four ninety-seven fifty-four, for me, this is not > brain friendly and usually I asked them to read it out like two eight, > etcetera. However, when I have to remember a short number of four > digits, like a postcode, e.g. twenty-four ninety-five, I have no > problem, because this is mapped into the money domain, just like a price > of something. The "tell sell" doctrine. ;) > > Do some of you have the same experience? > > I would like to suggest not to use this in reading out telephone > numbers, even though this might be your national way of writing/saying > these things. Usually there is not a sound information ergonomic reason > behind it. More the history of how the numbers grew larger in a certain > country. > > The brain is perfectly capable of remembering longer groups of digits. > Take for example > > 2314 7869 > > this is faster and easier processed by the brain than > > 23 14 78 69 > > Regards, > > Pander > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- - Atilla Filiz Eindhoven University of Technology Embedded Systems, Master's Programme ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number? (India users)
I found a list of landline std codes here: http://www.scribd.com/doc/39734/STD-Code-of-INDIA On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Michele Renda wrote: > Il 30/12/2008 12:44, Gora Mohanty ha scritto: > > Thank you Rakshat, Gora for all the informations! > > Ps. Yes, I missed 094, but I inserted it. Thank you! > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
For the thread that could be a mailing list on its own: I've noticed a funny effect on reading out numbers in different languages. I'm from the Netherlands and here we say 'eight-and-twenty' (achtentwintig) for the number 28. In English, you'd say twenty-eight. This reverse reading is also in German, but not in French. It differs from language to language. After spending half a year in an English speaking country, I noticed that after I came back I had difficulties writing down numbers like this when someone said them to me. This audio-to-written-conversion task was difficult for my brain since it was confused whether to use the English or Dutch reading. I experienced this not only with telephone numbers but also when writing down numbers from laboratory test in university when someone else would read out the measurements of the devices. However, paying in a shop when someone would read out the price of something is not a problem at all. I asked more people that stayed abroad for a longer period of time where a language is spoken that also interchanges the reading of the numbers, if they had the same challenges and some did. So when someone says to me, my (eight digit) telephone number is twenty-eight thirty-four ninety-seven fifty-four, for me, this is not brain friendly and usually I asked them to read it out like two eight, etcetera. However, when I have to remember a short number of four digits, like a postcode, e.g. twenty-four ninety-five, I have no problem, because this is mapped into the money domain, just like a price of something. The "tell sell" doctrine. ;) Do some of you have the same experience? I would like to suggest not to use this in reading out telephone numbers, even though this might be your national way of writing/saying these things. Usually there is not a sound information ergonomic reason behind it. More the history of how the numbers grew larger in a certain country. The brain is perfectly capable of remembering longer groups of digits. Take for example 2314 7869 this is faster and easier processed by the brain than 23 14 78 69 Regards, Pander ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 12:36:34 am George Brooke wrote: > Knowing the UK, any coherency is probably just pot-luck :-) Or the result of the complete stuff up of PhoneDay in 1995 (predicted in 1993[1]) which resulted in another numbering change being needed 16 months later[2] which was moderately sensible. Sigh.. cheers, Chris (maintainer of the uk.telecom FAQ around then) [1] - http://tinyurl.com/7uyqc4 (goes to a uk.telecom posting on Google groups from 1993) [2] - http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_/ai_n14061243 -- Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC This email may come with a PGP signature as a file. Do not panic. For more info see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPGP signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
Stroller-2 wrote: > > > I was on the phone to an Indian call centre a while back and was very > frustrated by the way the speaker read my number back to me - "they > can't even speak English phone numbers correctly!" I fumed, but on > reflection I realised that many native English speakers read their > numbers differently to the way I do, too. It can make it quite > difficult to recognise the same number, if it is presented differently. > > Stroller. > > Not only that, but it depends on the number. My mobile number has a lot of repetition so I tend to say "Oh triple seven, double X, Y, double Z, A,B" Sometimes people don't get that, so I fall back to "Oh triple 7 X, XYZ, ZAB". However if someone reads my number back to me like that it takes more effort to parse than the first format. Maybe I'm just weird. And another thing, I may have exited my 20s this year but I'm not *that* old! ;) -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/How-do-you-like-to-read-a-phone-number--tp2083029p2095801.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
> I meant to add in my previous reply, that there are probably no hard & > fast rules about how people here in the UK do _actually_ read out > numbers. holds true for germany, too. i had an swedish teacher from bavaria once who got confused by how we people in the north were doing it compared to his way. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
On 29 Dec 2008, at 23:27, Neil Jerram wrote: > 2008/12/29 Stroller : >> >> Note, however, that I would most always use "0207" or "0208 xxx yyy" > > Need one more "y" there: I thought that might be the case. > "0207" or "0208 xxx ". Nevertheless, I would write or say it this way. >> for London numbers - I personally would not use "020", or group the >> "7" or "8" with the next set of digits. This is probably because I >> remember when they changed London numbers from "01" to "020" and then >> subsequently added the "7" & "8" depending upon whether the >> destination was in inner- or outer-London respectively. > > But technically, I believe that "020" is the area code - in the sense > that when you're using a landline in an 0208 place (i.e. outer > London), you can call "7xxx" without dialling the area code, and > vice versa. For this reason I personally prefer writing "020 [78]xxx > ". I figured that may be the case. I wonder how many people do write it this way, though? I meant to add in my previous reply, that there are probably no hard & fast rules about how people here in the UK do _actually_ read out numbers. I was on the phone to an Indian call centre a while back and was very frustrated by the way the speaker read my number back to me - "they can't even speak English phone numbers correctly!" I fumed, but on reflection I realised that many native English speakers read their numbers differently to the way I do, too. It can make it quite difficult to recognise the same number, if it is presented differently. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
On 30 Dec 2008, at 12:16, Gothnet wrote: >> ... >> Note, however, that I would most always use "0207" or "0208 xxx yyy" >> for London numbers - I personally would not use "020", or group the >> "7" or "8" with the next set of digits. This is probably because I >> remember when they changed London numbers from "01" to "020" and then >> subsequently added the "7" & "8" depending upon whether the >> destination was in inner- or outer-London respectively. >> > > I would likewise, but you need your memory checked :) > > It went 01, 071/081, 0171/0181 then 0207/0208. BT changed the London > codes > so many times in the 80s and 90s. Well, one must be OLD to remember any of this. It is not surprising that my memory fails me. ;) Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number? (India users)
Il 30/12/2008 12:44, Gora Mohanty ha scritto: Thank you Rakshat, Gora for all the informations! Ps. Yes, I missed 094, but I inserted it. Thank you! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
Stroller-2 wrote: > > > > > Note, however, that I would most always use "0207" or "0208 xxx yyy" > for London numbers - I personally would not use "020", or group the > "7" or "8" with the next set of digits. This is probably because I > remember when they changed London numbers from "01" to "020" and then > subsequently added the "7" & "8" depending upon whether the > destination was in inner- or outer-London respectively. > > Stroller. > I would likewise, but you need your memory checked :) It went 01, 071/081, 0171/0181 then 0207/0208. BT changed the London codes so many times in the 80s and 90s. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/How-do-you-like-to-read-a-phone-number--tp2083029p2092178.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number? (India users)
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 11:48:55 +0100 Michele Renda wrote: > Il 29/12/2008 13:45, Carl Lobo ha scritto: > > Try > > > > http://www.ashesh.net/blog/downloads/PDF/Mobile_Telephone_Number_Codes_India.pdf > > > > Seems to be accurate from first glance. > > > > On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 6:09 PM, Michele Renda > > wrote: > > > > > Hello to all Indian Openmoko Users, > I am preparing the Indian dialplan: I have some (for you) stupid question: > > 1) All your mobile phone number usually start witt > (092/093/092/097/098/099) so your international phone number start with > (+9192 / +9193/ etc.) ? That is not a complete list. I know for sure that there are at least 94 numbers. > 2) In the provided pdf file there are only mobile phone number. There > are some city name. What it mean? Is the city where the sim is sold? :) Are you referring to the two-letter entries like MP, AS, etc.? These correspond roughly to states, not cities, and probably do refer to the state where the SIM was bought, which is usually well-correlated to the state that the user resides in. There is a table naming the states on page 4. I am also not sure how reliable these are. > 3) In the same pdf I saw: > > RIM ‐ RELIANCE INDIA MOBILE (CDMA) > CELLONE‐ BHARAT SANCHAR NIGAM LIMITED > TATA INDICOM (CDMA) > > that seem to don't have any prefix. Is correct? [...] The above are telecom. operators, so presumably they have been allocated some prefixes that are either not tied to a locality, or have not yet been put into use. Regards, Gora ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number? (India users)
Replies below: > Hello to all Indian Openmoko Users, > I am preparing the Indian dialplan: I have some (for you) stupid question: > > 1) All your mobile phone number usually start witt > (092/093/092/097/098/099) so your international phone number start with > (+9192 / +9193/ etc.) ? Yes > > > 2) In the provided pdf file there are only mobile phone number. There > are some city name. What it mean? Is the city where the sim is sold? :) The State they are sold in - those are state names > > > 3) In the same pdf I saw: > > RIM ‐ RELIANCE INDIA MOBILE (CDMA) > CELLONE‐ BHARAT SANCHAR NIGAM LIMITED > TATA INDICOM (CDMA) > > They have/ had all india licenses and the three tables on the left give all their prefixes. They are listed on top of the three tables. Rakshat > > > Thank you for your help > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- -- Please use Firefox as your web browser. Its protects you from spyware and is also a very feature rich browser. www.firefox.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number? (India users)
Il 29/12/2008 13:45, Carl Lobo ha scritto: > Try > > http://www.ashesh.net/blog/downloads/PDF/Mobile_Telephone_Number_Codes_India.pdf > > Seems to be accurate from first glance. > > On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 6:09 PM, Michele Renda > wrote: > > Hello to all Indian Openmoko Users, I am preparing the Indian dialplan: I have some (for you) stupid question: 1) All your mobile phone number usually start witt (092/093/092/097/098/099) so your international phone number start with (+9192 / +9193/ etc.) ? 2) In the provided pdf file there are only mobile phone number. There are some city name. What it mean? Is the city where the sim is sold? :) 3) In the same pdf I saw: RIM ‐ RELIANCE INDIA MOBILE (CDMA) CELLONE‐ BHARAT SANCHAR NIGAM LIMITED TATA INDICOM (CDMA) that seem to don't have any prefix. Is correct? Thank you for your help ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
In the Netherlands it is safe to call +31X , that is even the number you get in your display when you are being called. Guaranteed that you wil be charged correctly. Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 09:26:56 +0100 Michele Renda > babbled: > >> Il 30/12/2008 04:30, William Kenworthy ha scritto: >>> A question: if you always dial a local number with the international and >>> STD prefixes (which is what I think you are suggesting here) - under >>> what regime will you get charged??? >>> >>> As a local call, or an international call? >>> >>> Could get *VERY* expensive :) >>> >>> BillK >>> >> If think the phone company are enought intelligent to undestrand how to >> carge you. >> >> For example: I live in Italy (+39) >> >> I can call 333 123456 or +39 333 123456 and the price is the same. Or, >> bettter, when I receive a call and I save the number on phoneboot it >> arrive as +39 333 123456. >> >> I hope this is valid in other countries too! > > you pay local rates - they dont charge you for an intl call - they know what > you are trying to do. this means you enter contacts in a full intl format > always > +61 413 123456 > and no matter wherein the world i go - i am roaming or in my home country.. i > can cal that person without having to know about country codes, intl dial > prefixes etc. :) > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 09:26:56 +0100 Michele Renda babbled: > Il 30/12/2008 04:30, William Kenworthy ha scritto: > > A question: if you always dial a local number with the international and > > STD prefixes (which is what I think you are suggesting here) - under > > what regime will you get charged??? > > > > As a local call, or an international call? > > > > Could get *VERY* expensive :) > > > > BillK > > > > If think the phone company are enought intelligent to undestrand how to > carge you. > > For example: I live in Italy (+39) > > I can call 333 123456 or +39 333 123456 and the price is the same. Or, > bettter, when I receive a call and I save the number on phoneboot it > arrive as +39 333 123456. > > I hope this is valid in other countries too! you pay local rates - they dont charge you for an intl call - they know what you are trying to do. this means you enter contacts in a full intl format always +61 413 123456 and no matter wherein the world i go - i am roaming or in my home country.. i can cal that person without having to know about country codes, intl dial prefixes etc. :) -- - Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
> A question: if you always dial a local number with the international and > STD prefixes (which is what I think you are suggesting here) - under > what regime will you get charged??? the issue came up when germany allowed other telcos, too, with the area codes. answer was: the telco filters calls and if your prefix is the one you are are calling from it is disregarded (they probably prepend any call with the full prefix anyway internally). but since german problems are absotively different from others and germany wheels need to be invented in germany to fit german needs, there's no guarantee it will be like that anywherer else ;-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
Il 30/12/2008 04:30, William Kenworthy ha scritto: > A question: if you always dial a local number with the international and > STD prefixes (which is what I think you are suggesting here) - under > what regime will you get charged??? > > As a local call, or an international call? > > Could get *VERY* expensive :) > > BillK > If think the phone company are enought intelligent to undestrand how to carge you. For example: I live in Italy (+39) I can call 333 123456 or +39 333 123456 and the price is the same. Or, bettter, when I receive a call and I save the number on phoneboot it arrive as +39 333 123456. I hope this is valid in other countries too! Regards Michele Renda ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
On Mon, 2008-12-29 at 17:22 +0100, Michele Renda wrote: > Hello, > > thank you for your complete email! > > My idea in about these points: > > a) Who now has a freerunner is someone that is a bit an advanced user. > And I think a lot of people don't like all these ambiguities on phone > number. I think a phone number must to be as unique is possible (in must > not be different if I have to be called from a person that live near to > me or from my uncle that live in Japan). So I'd like to force (ok... not > really forced, but encourage) people to dial the number with > international prefix. (but with some ticks to don't press too much buttons) A question: if you always dial a local number with the international and STD prefixes (which is what I think you are suggesting here) - under what regime will you get charged??? As a local call, or an international call? Could get *VERY* expensive :) BillK ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 11:52 PM, clare johnstone wrote: > Well he did say "international", and I do think Australians are > getting used to the idea of what "country codes" are for and how to > dial the numbers. I wouldn't bet on it, we're still pretty backward :-) number patterns I'm familiar with (already mostly noted by above posters) in international format: +61 n for fixed line n=(2,3,5,7 or 8) +61 4XX XXX XXX for mobile. other notes: calling Internationally from Australia the + is replaced with 0011 automatically. obviously the + form is preferred as it can be used anywhere. (fixed line from within area) 0n - for normal fixed line phones: 0=national prefix, (2,3,5,7 or 8) *the 5 is not in use now, but may be used for VoIP phones in the future. numbers can be broken down to identify states and areas if you wish, eg. it could say ACT for all numbers starting with 0262 * 04XX XXX XXX - mobile phones, do not break these up like fixed line phones. the second and third digit could once identify the carrier but with number portability this is no longer the case. IMPORTANT - Australians will have these in their phones: "smartnumbers" only for use within Australia - not compatible with international prefix. local call rate: 13X XXX 13 XX XX (alternative form) 13 (least used form, but it is the one in the official doco). 1300 XXX XXX free (from fixed lines): 1800 XXX XXX premium rate (competitions, phone sex, etc.) 190X XXX XXX other special numbers (eg. directory assistance) starting with 12 and of no set length are all run together, eg: 12 12XXX 12XX 12X if they are really long, it would probably be good to break them up, usually these numbers are used only for testing purposes by the phone companies, but enforcing a 3 digit break from right hand side could be smart, eg: 12X XXX XXX XXX XXX etc. additionally the carriers will have special numbers for voicemail etc. eg; 111 333 321, etc. emergency, maybe good to highlight this in some way 000 - Australia's emergency number, pretty sure this only works with SIM card and maybe only on your network. 112 - works in phone even without SIM card, dials on any network. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
On Monday 29 of December 2008 13:00:01 Michele Renda wrote: > > Please, who has some time, can you please write your country (Italy, > France, etc.) and the way how usually is normal to read a phone number > in your country (with international prefix) > > The format I use to descrive is this: +39 ### * or +1-###-* (where # > replace a char, and * replace all remaining chars) > > Thank you a lot for your time > Michele Renda > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Czech Republic: +420 xxx yyy yyy where xxx is two or three digit preselection of city or mobile operator and yyy yyy is actual phone number. -- Ing. Radek Bartoň Faculty of Information Technology Department of Computer Graphics and Multimedia Brno University of Technology E-mail: black...@post.cz Web: http://blackhex.no-ip.org Jabber: black...@jabber.cz ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
2008/12/29 Stroller : > > Note, however, that I would most always use "0207" or "0208 xxx yyy" Need one more "y" there: "0207" or "0208 xxx ". > for London numbers - I personally would not use "020", or group the > "7" or "8" with the next set of digits. This is probably because I > remember when they changed London numbers from "01" to "020" and then > subsequently added the "7" & "8" depending upon whether the > destination was in inner- or outer-London respectively. But technically, I believe that "020" is the area code - in the sense that when you're using a landline in an 0208 place (i.e. outer London), you can call "7xxx" without dialling the area code, and vice versa. For this reason I personally prefer writing "020 [78]xxx ". Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
U.S. 1.973.555. On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 7:00 AM, Michele Renda wrote: > Hello to all > > I would like to know how do you like to read the phone number: > > I try to explain: when we read a phone number we usually like to separe > it with some spaces or signs: > for example in Italy when someone give me a mobile phone number I > usually write: > > +39 347 123456 > > Or if it is a fixed number: > > +39 02 123456 or +39 011 123456 > > But I know in USA is more common something like: +1-212-123456 > > Please, who has some time, can you please write your country (Italy, > France, etc.) and the way how usually is normal to read a phone number > in your country (with international prefix) > > The format I use to descrive is this: +39 ### * or +1-###-* (where # > replace a char, and * replace all remaining chars) > > Thank you a lot for your time > Michele Renda > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
That's because nobody outside the US wants to talk to us these days, anyway. ;) (d) --- Damian A. Spriggs Writer: Weekly World Shrew http://www.weeklyworldshrew.com On Dec 29, 2008, at 5:20 PM, Pat Barrett wrote: That's close, the traditional way of writing it is (651) 867-5309 or else 651-867-5309. It the number requires a 1, for instance in a toll free number, it's: 1-888-867-5309. I don't think I've ever even seen the "+" on a phone number, in this country, anywhere but in Skype and on my Freerunner. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 6:00 AM, Michele Renda wrote: > > But I know in USA is more common something like: +1-212-123456 > That's close, the traditional way of writing it is (651) 867-5309 or else 651-867-5309. It the number requires a 1, for instance in a toll free number, it's: 1-888-867-5309. I don't think I've ever even seen the "+" on a phone number, in this country, anywhere but in Skype and on my Freerunner. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
On 29 Dec 2008, at 12:00, Michele Renda wrote: > ... > I try to explain: when we read a phone number we usually like to > separe > it with some spaces or signs: I'm in the UK; I would most always format a number so that the last 6 digits are in two groups of 3. This generally means reading a 4 or 5 digit area code first, then "321 456". The wikipedia article posted by someone else tends to confirm the "4 or 5 digit area code first" for me, as it states UK numbers to be 10 or 11 digits long. Note, however, that I would most always use "0207" or "0208 xxx yyy" for London numbers - I personally would not use "020", or group the "7" or "8" with the next set of digits. This is probably because I remember when they changed London numbers from "01" to "020" and then subsequently added the "7" & "8" depending upon whether the destination was in inner- or outer-London respectively. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
On Monday 29 December 2008 17:09:58 arne anka wrote: > > d) I'd like to avoid to use a specific class for every coutry. For now > > (until I will not find some very big problems) I would like to have a > > simple big text file with all the configuration. I did for Italy and > > seem to be pretty fast. > > well, whatever might be most common in a particular country has not > necessarily to be the way an individual user likes to see it! > i for one don't know, what is most popular in germany, and honestly, i > don't care (soccer is very popular in germany, but i think it is > execeptionally dull and stultifying). > > additionally: what if a user changes country (holidays, business trip, > whatever) -- should the format of the number change as well? no, because > the user is still the same. > > so, i'd suggest to simple add a regexp or so (for grouping in XX XX XX or > or XX XX XXX) in a config file together with options for showing > international prefix (+XX) and using space or - as separator. Why not do it like the internationalisation of currency settings is done, country settings supplies the default but user can change it and only check on first use. solar.george signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
> d) I'd like to avoid to use a specific class for every coutry. For now > (until I will not find some very big problems) I would like to have a > simple big text file with all the configuration. I did for Italy and > seem to be pretty fast. well, whatever might be most common in a particular country has not necessarily to be the way an individual user likes to see it! i for one don't know, what is most popular in germany, and honestly, i don't care (soccer is very popular in germany, but i think it is execeptionally dull and stultifying). additionally: what if a user changes country (holidays, business trip, whatever) -- should the format of the number change as well? no, because the user is still the same. so, i'd suggest to simple add a regexp or so (for grouping in XX XX XX or or XX XX XXX) in a config file together with options for showing international prefix (+XX) and using space or - as separator. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
Il 29/12/2008 17:18, Alexandre Ghisoli ha scritto: > I suggest to work with E.164 numbering scheme only. In this case, you > can populate your address book in full international number, without > taking care of your location (i.e. don't add prefix when outside of > your area / country). > > Now, it will be useful and really nice to have an presentation number > shaper. It will automagically arrange the number you enter or your > caller party number in a nice fashion, depending of your local > preferences. > > But remember, today, with VoIP, some operators did not present number > according to the ITU or RFC formats. So it will be hard to catch all > the possible scenarios. > > BTW, it's not so hard to detect your operator's country, E.212 specify > operators numbers and names, so FR could adapt the rules depending the > operator ;) > Yes, it is like a render. About VoIP, usually they have their prefix, so it will not be difficult. In every case, if I can't know a number format, I can fallback on a simple format. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
Hello, thank you for your complete email! My idea in about these points: a) Who now has a freerunner is someone that is a bit an advanced user. And I think a lot of people don't like all these ambiguities on phone number. I think a phone number must to be as unique is possible (in must not be different if I have to be called from a person that live near to me or from my uncle that live in Japan). So I'd like to force (ok... not really forced, but encourage) people to dial the number with international prefix. (but with some ticks to don't press too much buttons) b) Internally all the number are registered on this format, that I think is the most correct: +XX, then every phone number is rended according some rules very easy with spaces, dash, etc. c) Because I think it can interest someone else, if I have success to manage it, I would like to separate the "Parse logic" from the main program logic. In this way it could be used by other programs (If someone is interested can contact to me). It is for now a Python class. d) I'd like to avoid to use a specific class for every coutry. For now (until I will not find some very big problems) I would like to have a simple big text file with all the configuration. I did for Italy and seem to be pretty fast. e) In every moment everyone can remove this formatting funcion and to fall back on +XX format. f) I'd like to don't add only formatting information, but also some other info as country, town, type (fix/mobile) and whatever you want. Best regards Michele Renda Il 29/12/2008 15:16, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) ha scritto: > frankl;y - i did some research into this. the number of ways you can write > just > a SINGLE number (just thinking of a few): > > +61 413 123 456 (full intl from anywhere + is supported - until recently > japan didn't support + as a intl dial prefix) > 0011 61 413 123 456 (including specific intl call prefix instead of + from > .au) > 0018 61 413 123 456 (specifically use a different intl call provider from .au) > 001 61 413 123 456 (call from japan using kddi telco) > 0041 61 413 123 456 (call same number using japan telecom telco) > 0413 123 456 (call number from within .au) > > thats a mobile number and for 1 country only. i covered just some options on > calling it from 1 other country too - now look at all countries. now a local > number adds a few levels: > > +61 2 1234 5678 (full intl) > 0011 61 2 1234 5678 > 0018 61 2 1234 5678 > 001 61 2 1234 5678 > 0041 61 2 1234 5678 > 02 1234 5678 (call from anywhere in .au to the number) > 1234 5678 (call from the 02 area code - i.e. NSW only) > > note the last one adds a call "from inside area code". > > look at: > > http://www.kropla.com/dialcode.htm > > for some of the insanity that is just intl dialling codes - not to mention > within-country area codes - and hell, even per telco. > > in reality after looking at this a bit i got to the conclusion "crap - this is > just going to need a filter plugin system where someone writes a formatting > blob of code AND a number canonicaliser (to canonicalise ALL numbers to a > single explicit/unique format - eg +61413123456 for example). the plugin would > nee as input the current telco and country (get it from the gsm modem) and > then > the number - output would be either a canonicalised number so it can always > match numbers for caller-id etc. correctly OR a "formatted number" which may > add spaces, +'s or -'s in it as per user preferences (and don't forget it may > want to color-code it... or even replace the +61 with a country flag (a .au > flag for example) much like skype does. if you call within a telco on a mobile > in .au - depending on telco. sometimes the calls are "free" within the telco > (japan has this too for softbank last i checked). sometimes rates are just > lower within a telco - so being able to also throw in some icon for the telco > might be nice - or something to indicate it will be long distance, or a > freecall, or high-charge (phone sex numbers?) etc. etc. > > sop once you expand the problem to its wider scope of basically not just being > able to convert some shorthand phone number into a uniquely matchable numeric > string but also being able to "interpret it" (format it, etc.) you really want > to just make a plugin arch. then just write a plugin for a country you know > well (your own) and have others write ones for theirs - make sure you have the > ability to call the right plugin in the right circumstance. now you have split > the problem up and let people solve it for every bizarre situation out there > without you needing to do all the work :) > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
Le Tue, 30 Dec 2008 03:04:32 +1100, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) a écrit : > On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 15:34:00 + George Brooke > babbled: > > > On Monday 29 December 2008 14:16:15 Carsten Haitzler wrote: > > > > > 1234 5678 (call from the 02 area code - i.e. NSW only) > > I may be wrong but (at least in UK) you don't need to worry about > > the local version of the number as mobiles need the full version > > with area code. > > same in .au - for mobiles, i'm just extending the problem in a > generic way to "landlines". just illustrating the "fun" of the > system. :) > > I suggest to work with E.164 numbering scheme only. In this case, you can populate your address book in full international number, without taking care of your location (i.e. don't add prefix when outside of your area / country). Now, it will be useful and really nice to have an presentation number shaper. It will automagically arrange the number you enter or your caller party number in a nice fashion, depending of your local preferences. But remember, today, with VoIP, some operators did not present number according to the ITU or RFC formats. So it will be hard to catch all the possible scenarios. BTW, it's not so hard to detect your operator's country, E.212 specify operators numbers and names, so FR could adapt the rules depending the operator ;) -- Alexandre Ghisoli ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 15:34:00 + George Brooke babbled: > On Monday 29 December 2008 14:16:15 Carsten Haitzler wrote: > > > 1234 5678 (call from the 02 area code - i.e. NSW only) > I may be wrong but (at least in UK) you don't need to worry about the local > version of the number as mobiles need the full version with area code. same in .au - for mobiles, i'm just extending the problem in a generic way to "landlines". just illustrating the "fun" of the system. :) -- - Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
George Brooke wrote: > > On Monday 29 December 2008 14:16:15 Carsten Haitzler wrote: > >> 1234 5678 (call from the 02 area code - i.e. NSW only) > I may be wrong but (at least in UK) you don't need to worry about the > local > version of the number as mobiles need the full version with area code. > > solar.george > You're not wrong. I can't remember the last time I dialled a number without an area code, even when I've been in the same area. And yes, I'm pretty sure mobiles need the area code regardless. One thing that's been missing on a few phones (but is now fixed on others) that is useful is the ability to treat (where As are area code : 0 ## and +44 ## As the same number, when things like lookups occur, so that if you've entered someone's number in National format, but the network reports it to your phone in international format, it behaves the same. Similarly with dialling, whether I enter the number in national or international format it ought to use the full international number under the covers, so I don't get stuck re-entering numbers when I'm on holiday. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/How-do-you-like-to-read-a-phone-number--tp2083029p2089250.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
On Monday 29 December 2008 14:16:15 Carsten Haitzler wrote: > 1234 5678 (call from the 02 area code - i.e. NSW only) I may be wrong but (at least in UK) you don't need to worry about the local version of the number as mobiles need the full version with area code. solar.george signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:11:28 +0100 Michele Renda babbled: > Il 29/12/2008 13:38, William Kenworthy ha scritto: > > Not really an issue, > > except for using a "+" like you do will totally confuse people here ... > > > > > I am trying to make some ideas :) In this moment I am writing a dialer, > and I am implementing a intelligent > formatting functionality. frankl;y - i did some research into this. the number of ways you can write just a SINGLE number (just thinking of a few): +61 413 123 456 (full intl from anywhere + is supported - until recently japan didn't support + as a intl dial prefix) 0011 61 413 123 456 (including specific intl call prefix instead of + from .au) 0018 61 413 123 456 (specifically use a different intl call provider from .au) 001 61 413 123 456 (call from japan using kddi telco) 0041 61 413 123 456 (call same number using japan telecom telco) 0413 123 456 (call number from within .au) thats a mobile number and for 1 country only. i covered just some options on calling it from 1 other country too - now look at all countries. now a local number adds a few levels: +61 2 1234 5678 (full intl) 0011 61 2 1234 5678 0018 61 2 1234 5678 001 61 2 1234 5678 0041 61 2 1234 5678 02 1234 5678 (call from anywhere in .au to the number) 1234 5678 (call from the 02 area code - i.e. NSW only) note the last one adds a call "from inside area code". look at: http://www.kropla.com/dialcode.htm for some of the insanity that is just intl dialling codes - not to mention within-country area codes - and hell, even per telco. in reality after looking at this a bit i got to the conclusion "crap - this is just going to need a filter plugin system where someone writes a formatting blob of code AND a number canonicaliser (to canonicalise ALL numbers to a single explicit/unique format - eg +61413123456 for example). the plugin would nee as input the current telco and country (get it from the gsm modem) and then the number - output would be either a canonicalised number so it can always match numbers for caller-id etc. correctly OR a "formatted number" which may add spaces, +'s or -'s in it as per user preferences (and don't forget it may want to color-code it... or even replace the +61 with a country flag (a .au flag for example) much like skype does. if you call within a telco on a mobile in .au - depending on telco. sometimes the calls are "free" within the telco (japan has this too for softbank last i checked). sometimes rates are just lower within a telco - so being able to also throw in some icon for the telco might be nice - or something to indicate it will be long distance, or a freecall, or high-charge (phone sex numbers?) etc. etc. sop once you expand the problem to its wider scope of basically not just being able to convert some shorthand phone number into a uniquely matchable numeric string but also being able to "interpret it" (format it, etc.) you really want to just make a plugin arch. then just write a plugin for a country you know well (your own) and have others write ones for theirs - make sure you have the ability to call the right plugin in the right circumstance. now you have split the problem up and let people solve it for every bizarre situation out there without you needing to do all the work :) > About the first "+" yes, I am afraid people will be confused. So what I > am implementing, will be easily deactivable. ( or better, deactivated by > default). > > All is done by a config file (a very long csv) and this will implement > two killer feature: feature, and number type recnowneldge. > > > > I think that if you try and implement a global one size suits everyone, > > you can only separate numbers with spaces (say every 3 or 4 digits) - to > > do anything more complicated you will need to look into > > internationalisation (or possibly user selectable from a number of > > choices) as everybodies ideas are different :( > > > > Ive seen some discussions on the asterisk list about how telephone > > numbers are allocated and designed across the world and its basicly an > > anarchic nightmare :) > > > I like nightmare :) No, really, I want to try to make it cleared > > Try googling - there is enough detail to keep you happy for a long long > > while ... > > > Thank you for your help! > > Michele Renda > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- - Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
Thank you for the very complete explanation I think the config for france will be very very short :) Best regards Michele Renda ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
Michele Renda, 2008-12-29 13:27:45 +0100 : > Il 29/12/2008 13:20, Roland Mas ha scritto: >>For France (+33), the usual format is +33 # ## ## ## ## >> (international format) or 0# ## ## ## ## (without the international >> prefix) > Thank you for your answer. > > I have a question: this is valid for every number? (both Fix and > Mobil?) Yes. Normal numbers in mainland France are 10 digits (including initial 0), as well as most special numbers (toll-free or premium-rate). That includes landlines, mobile phones, and the numbers provided by most ADSL ISPs when they provide VOIP to their subscribers. A few special numbers are shorter, such as the directory enquiries, some 4-digit numbers for rapid access to some large corporations or entities, and some 6-digit numbers that are (as far as I know) mostly used for sending SMS at a premium rate and get something in return (ringtones, background images, horoscopes and so on). > And for you... for example... when you dial a number, is more easy > to read a number in this format +33 # ## ## ## ## ? My personal preference is +33 # , but it is not very common. Most people don't know (or don't want to see) the +33 part, and they usually see (and write) five pairs of digits. > and the last question... there is a rule in France to separate a > fixed number / mobile number? Yes, although the IP/telephony convergence is blurring the line a bit. Historically, 01 to 05 numbers (+33 1 to +33 5) are geographical numbers corresponding to landlines. 06 numbers are mobile phones. 08 numbers are for special rates (toll-free or premium-rate) as well as VOIP. VOIP numbers are theoretically migrating to be 09, but not everyone knows or uses their 09 number. Also, some VOIP providers give numbers that look like they're geographical, whereas some others give out 08 or 09 numbers. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_numbers_in_France has all the details. Roland. -- Roland Mas Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day, but set fire to him and he's warm for the rest of his life -- Solid Jackson, in Jingo (Terry Pratchett) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
On Monday 29 December 2008 13:23:05 Michele Renda wrote: > Il 29/12/2008 13:54, Peter Strapp ha scritto: > > In the UK the format varies depending on the length of the STD code (The > > digits following the country code). Most STD codes are 5 digits long (4 > > when using international format). City STD codes can range between 3 and > > 6 digits. The most common formats are shown below. Wikipedia has an > > excellent article on UK number formats - > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_telephone_numbering_plan > > > > International > > +44 7xxx xxx xxx Mobile Phones > > +44 1xxx xxx xxx Landlines > > +44 2xxx xxx xxx Landlines > > +44 20 London > > > > National > > 07xxx xxx xxx Mobile Phones > > 01xxx xxx xxx Landlines > > 02xxx xxx xxx Landlines > > 020-- London > > > > Peter. > > It would be so nice it all the country would be so easy :) Knowing the UK, any coherency is probably just pot-luck :-) solar.george signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
Il 29/12/2008 13:54, Peter Strapp ha scritto: > In the UK the format varies depending on the length of the STD code (The > digits following the country code). Most STD codes are 5 digits long (4 > when using international format). City STD codes can range between 3 and > 6 digits. The most common formats are shown below. Wikipedia has an > excellent article on UK number formats - > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_telephone_numbering_plan > > International > +44 7xxx xxx xxx Mobile Phones > +44 1xxx xxx xxx Landlines > +44 2xxx xxx xxx Landlines > +44 20 London > > National > 07xxx xxx xxx Mobile Phones > 01xxx xxx xxx Landlines > 02xxx xxx xxx Landlines > 020-- London > > Peter. It would be so nice it all the country would be so easy :) Thank you for your time Michele Rneda ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
> > Hi, > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_conventions_for_writing_telephone_numbers#United_Kingdom > is about what i'd use - if you need to use international codes then just drop > the 0 and add +44 but that's not how i usually see numbers written. > IIRC 08* numbers can't be used as +448* but i may be wrong. > Also there will be the whole range of shorter operator codes which people may > need to save if they have a lot of different ones for different things on > their > network (I'm assuming that your asking about this for the contacts lists). > > > Hope this helps (instead of the opposite), > Thank you for your answer. It saw now this page on wikipedia it is a very good starting point! I just watched some interesting links, thank you. Michele Renda ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
Il 29/12/2008 13:38, William Kenworthy ha scritto: > Not really an issue, > except for using a "+" like you do will totally confuse people here ... > > I am trying to make some ideas :) In this moment I am writing a dialer, and I am implementing a intelligent formatting functionality. About the first "+" yes, I am afraid people will be confused. So what I am implementing, will be easily deactivable. ( or better, deactivated by default). All is done by a config file (a very long csv) and this will implement two killer feature: feature, and number type recnowneldge. > I think that if you try and implement a global one size suits everyone, > you can only separate numbers with spaces (say every 3 or 4 digits) - to > do anything more complicated you will need to look into > internationalisation (or possibly user selectable from a number of > choices) as everybodies ideas are different :( > > Ive seen some discussions on the asterisk list about how telephone > numbers are allocated and designed across the world and its basicly an > anarchic nightmare :) > I like nightmare :) No, really, I want to try to make it cleared > Try googling - there is enough detail to keep you happy for a long long > while ... > Thank you for your help! Michele Renda ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Swiss numbering plan (was: How do you like to read a phone number?)
Le Mon, 29 Dec 2008 13:37:54 +0100, Michele Renda a écrit : > Il 29/12/2008 13:26, Alexandre Ghisoli ha scritto: > > It's not so easy, because there are many codes inside a country. > > For example, switzerland: > > > > +41 79 xxx xx xx > > > > But for voice boxes : > > +41 860 xx xxx xx xx > > > > Special services > > +41 [8-9]xx xxx xx xx > > > > > > The idea would be a syntax to allow the country specific need to be > > applied (aka numbering plan). > > > Yes, this would be the idea. I am just working on this. I did it for > Italian number. and I got very good results. > > Can you please give me a link to a site where is explained the > switzerland prefix list? (if exist) > Something like: http://www.comuni-italiani.it/tel/index.html Documents sents off-list. Swiss Gov. agency is OFCOM : http://www.bakom.admin.ch/themen/index.html?lang=en Regards -- Alexandre ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
Interesting one. Note that there is a lot of convention but not always the optimal way. It is far more difficult to remember "837 12 463" than "8371 2463" although you might be trained for two's and three's, four's are better because you need less groups to remember. In the Netherlands different scheme's exist but I would fo for the following international notation: +316 1234 5678for mobile numbers +3130 123 4567for fixed numbers and national notation: 06 1234 5678 for mobile numbers 030 123 4567 for fixed numbers We used to have - where one should wait for a dail tone are the area code, but that is obsolute now so should be omitted. Sometimes the two formats get combined with like +31(0)6 1234 5678 but I would simply educate people and go with the international formats. People will learn how to use it and it looks better anyway. Personally I put them like +31612345678 in my Thunderbird address book for synchronisation with mobile addressbook. In this way nuymbers get accepted by the phone to dail. But the above is a good presentation format. So, when do we get a (Python) strftime variant called strfphone with default output formats for each country? Anyone? Regards, Pander Michele Renda wrote: > Hello to all > > I would like to know how do you like to read the phone number: > > I try to explain: when we read a phone number we usually like to separe > it with some spaces or signs: > for example in Italy when someone give me a mobile phone number I > usually write: > > +39 347 123456 > > Or if it is a fixed number: > > +39 02 123456 or +39 011 123456 > > But I know in USA is more common something like: +1-212-123456 > > Please, who has some time, can you please write your country (Italy, > France, etc.) and the way how usually is normal to read a phone number > in your country (with international prefix) > > The format I use to descrive is this: +39 ### * or +1-###-* (where # > replace a char, and * replace all remaining chars) > > Thank you a lot for your time > Michele Renda > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
In the UK the format varies depending on the length of the STD code (The digits following the country code). Most STD codes are 5 digits long (4 when using international format). City STD codes can range between 3 and 6 digits. The most common formats are shown below. Wikipedia has an excellent article on UK number formats - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_telephone_numbering_plan International +44 7xxx xxx xxx Mobile Phones +44 1xxx xxx xxx Landlines +44 2xxx xxx xxx Landlines +44 20 London National 07xxx xxx xxx Mobile Phones 01xxx xxx xxx Landlines 02xxx xxx xxx Landlines 020-- London Peter. Michele Renda wrote: > Hello to all > > I would like to know how do you like to read the phone number: > > I try to explain: when we read a phone number we usually like to separe > it with some spaces or signs: > for example in Italy when someone give me a mobile phone number I > usually write: > > +39 347 123456 > > Or if it is a fixed number: > > +39 02 123456 or +39 011 123456 > > But I know in USA is more common something like: +1-212-123456 > > Please, who has some time, can you please write your country (Italy, > France, etc.) and the way how usually is normal to read a phone number > in your country (with international prefix) > > The format I use to descrive is this: +39 ### * or +1-###-* (where # > replace a char, and * replace all remaining chars) > > Thank you a lot for your time > Michele Renda > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
On Monday 29 December 2008 12:00:01 Michele Renda wrote: > Hello to all > > I would like to know how do you like to read the phone number: > > I try to explain: when we read a phone number we usually like to separe > it with some spaces or signs: > for example in Italy when someone give me a mobile phone number I > usually write: > > +39 347 123456 > > Or if it is a fixed number: > > +39 02 123456 or +39 011 123456 > > But I know in USA is more common something like: +1-212-123456 > > Please, who has some time, can you please write your country (Italy, > France, etc.) and the way how usually is normal to read a phone number > in your country (with international prefix) > > The format I use to descrive is this: +39 ### * or +1-###-* (where # > replace a char, and * replace all remaining chars) > > Thank you a lot for your time > Michele Renda > Hi, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_conventions_for_writing_telephone_numbers#United_Kingdom is about what i'd use - if you need to use international codes then just drop the 0 and add +44 but that's not how i usually see numbers written. IIRC 08* numbers can't be used as +448* but i may be wrong. Also there will be the whole range of shorter operator codes which people may need to save if they have a lot of different ones for different things on their network (I'm assuming that your asking about this for the contacts lists). Hope this helps (instead of the opposite), solar.george signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 12:38 PM, William Kenworthy wrote: > Australia: > > Mobiles: 04nn nnn nnn (mobiles all *seem* to be prefixed as 04 - may or > may not be true The zero seems to be like the zero on an area code, - is omitted when the country prefix is used. > + is usually only seen with international numbers. e.g. > +61 (9) is the same as "0011 61 9 " > (International call, Australia, Western Australia, local number) Well he did say "international", and I do think Australians are getting used to the idea of what "country codes" are for and how to dial the numbers. cheers, clare ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
Il 29/12/2008 13:45, Carl Lobo ha scritto: > Try > > http://www.ashesh.net/blog/downloads/PDF/Mobile_Telephone_Number_Codes_India.pdf > > Seems to be accurate from first glance. It is really what I was searching for Now I have on what to work on ... :) Thank you for your help! Michele Renda ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
Try http://www.ashesh.net/blog/downloads/PDF/Mobile_Telephone_Number_Codes_India.pdf Seems to be accurate from first glance. On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 6:09 PM, Michele Renda wrote: > Il 29/12/2008 13:26, Gora Mohanty ha scritto: >> It varies a bit in India, but one common format for landlines >> (typically 8 digits) is +91 XXX ABCD EFGH (the XXX is the area >> code, which is prefixed by a zero from within India, and can be >> upto 5 digits), e.g., +91 11 4277 0045 from outside India, and >> 011 4277 0045 from within India. >> >> Mobile numbers need no area code, and are 10 digits, typically >> written all together, e.g., +91 ABCDEFGHIJ. >> >> > Thank you for all the info. > > Do you know a site where there is the list of prefix code in India? > > Something similary to: http://www.comuni-italiani.it/tel/index.html > > Thank you a lot for your time! > Michele Renda > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
Il 29/12/2008 13:26, Gora Mohanty ha scritto: > It varies a bit in India, but one common format for landlines > (typically 8 digits) is +91 XXX ABCD EFGH (the XXX is the area > code, which is prefixed by a zero from within India, and can be > upto 5 digits), e.g., +91 11 4277 0045 from outside India, and > 011 4277 0045 from within India. > > Mobile numbers need no area code, and are 10 digits, typically > written all together, e.g., +91 ABCDEFGHIJ. > > Thank you for all the info. Do you know a site where there is the list of prefix code in India? Something similary to: http://www.comuni-italiani.it/tel/index.html Thank you a lot for your time! Michele Renda ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
Australia: Mobiles: 04nn nnn nnn (mobiles all *seem* to be prefixed as 04 - may or may not be true) Local fixed: (I think some small country areas have smaller number sets, but capitols have 8 digits) Interstate fixed: (0n) + is usually only seen with international numbers. e.g. +61 (9) is the same as "0011 61 9 " (International call, Australia, Western Australia, local number) Sometimes dashes are used (e.g., international companies adds), but mostly you will see spaces used as separators. Not really an issue, except for using a "+" like you do will totally confuse people here ... I think that if you try and implement a global one size suits everyone, you can only separate numbers with spaces (say every 3 or 4 digits) - to do anything more complicated you will need to look into internationalisation (or possibly user selectable from a number of choices) as everybodies ideas are different :( Ive seen some discussions on the asterisk list about how telephone numbers are allocated and designed across the world and its basicly an anarchic nightmare :) Try googling - there is enough detail to keep you happy for a long long while ... BillK On Mon, 2008-12-29 at 13:00 +0100, Michele Renda wrote: > Hello to all > > I would like to know how do you like to read the phone number: > > I try to explain: when we read a phone number we usually like to separe > it with some spaces or signs: > for example in Italy when someone give me a mobile phone number I > usually write: > > +39 347 123456 > > Or if it is a fixed number: > > +39 02 123456 or +39 011 123456 > > But I know in USA is more common something like: +1-212-123456 > > Please, who has some time, can you please write your country (Italy, > France, etc.) and the way how usually is normal to read a phone number > in your country (with international prefix) > > The format I use to descrive is this: +39 ### * or +1-###-* (where # > replace a char, and * replace all remaining chars) > > Thank you a lot for your time > Michele Renda > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- William Kenworthy Home in Perth! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
Il 29/12/2008 13:26, Alexandre Ghisoli ha scritto: > It's not so easy, because there are many codes inside a country. > For example, switzerland: > > +41 79 xxx xx xx > > But for voice boxes : > +41 860 xx xxx xx xx > > Special services > +41 [8-9]xx xxx xx xx > > > The idea would be a syntax to allow the country specific need to be > applied (aka numbering plan). > Yes, this would be the idea. I am just working on this. I did it for Italian number. and I got very good results. Can you please give me a link to a site where is explained the switzerland prefix list? (if exist) Something like: http://www.comuni-italiani.it/tel/index.html Thank you for your time Michele Renda ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
Il 29/12/2008 13:20, Roland Mas ha scritto: >For France (+33), the usual format is +33 # ## ## ## ## > (international format) or 0# ## ## ## ## (without the international > prefix) Thank you for your answer. I have a question: this is valid for every number? (both Fix and Mobil?) And for you... for example... when you dial a number, is more easy to read a number in this format +33 # ## ## ## ## ? and the last question... there is a rule in France to separate a fixed number / mobile number? Thank you for your help. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
Le Mon, 29 Dec 2008 13:00:01 +0100, Michele Renda a écrit : > Hello to all > > I would like to know how do you like to read the phone number: > > I try to explain: when we read a phone number we usually like to > separe it with some spaces or signs: > for example in Italy when someone give me a mobile phone number I > usually write: > > +39 347 123456 > > Or if it is a fixed number: > > +39 02 123456 or +39 011 123456 > > But I know in USA is more common something like: +1-212-123456 > > Please, who has some time, can you please write your country (Italy, > France, etc.) and the way how usually is normal to read a phone > number in your country (with international prefix) > > The format I use to descrive is this: +39 ### * or +1-###-* (where # > replace a char, and * replace all remaining chars) > > Thank you a lot for your time > Michele Renda Hi Michele, It's not so easy, because there are many codes inside a country. For example, switzerland: +41 79 xxx xx xx But for voice boxes : +41 860 xx xxx xx xx Special services +41 [8-9]xx xxx xx xx The idea would be a syntax to allow the country specific need to be applied (aka numbering plan). Best regards -- Alexandre ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How do you like to read a phone number?
Michele Renda, 2008-12-29 13:00:01 +0100 : > Please, who has some time, can you please write your country (Italy, > France, etc.) and the way how usually is normal to read a phone > number in your country (with international prefix) For France (+33), the usual format is +33 # ## ## ## ## (international format) or 0# ## ## ## ## (without the international prefix). Sometimes the ## components are grouped by pairs, giving two blocks of digits, but that's not quite common. Digits (or groups of digits) are usually separated by spaces, but sometimes by dots (as in 0#.##.##.##.##). Roland. -- Roland Mas Sauvez une souris, mangez votre chat. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
How do you like to read a phone number?
Hello to all I would like to know how do you like to read the phone number: I try to explain: when we read a phone number we usually like to separe it with some spaces or signs: for example in Italy when someone give me a mobile phone number I usually write: +39 347 123456 Or if it is a fixed number: +39 02 123456 or +39 011 123456 But I know in USA is more common something like: +1-212-123456 Please, who has some time, can you please write your country (Italy, France, etc.) and the way how usually is normal to read a phone number in your country (with international prefix) The format I use to descrive is this: +39 ### * or +1-###-* (where # replace a char, and * replace all remaining chars) Thank you a lot for your time Michele Renda ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
