Marcel de Jong wrote:
On 3/4/07, t3st3r <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
FYI: just to let you know, an anti-thief\anti-lost system for phones
already exists.Here is the story.Maybe someone already heard that
proprietary Siemens mobile phones (x55 series based on 80C166 CPU and
x65 and x75 series base
t3st3r wrote:
so, operators are better to secure their networks.
You do realise that this essentially means 'throw away all existing GSM
phones' ?
If you can clone the IMEI of a phone, the network has no way of telling
it from the cloned phone.
Yes, you can do potentially clever things on t
On 3/4/07, t3st3r <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
FYI: just to let you know, an anti-thief\anti-lost system for phones
already exists.Here is the story.Maybe someone already heard that
proprietary Siemens mobile phones (x55 series based on 80C166 CPU and
x65 and x75 series based on ARM9) were reverse
Paul Wouters wrote:
On Wed, 28 Feb 2007, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote:
Personally I like the idea of periodic SMS messages with the
lat/lon/altitude. When in stolen mode, having the phone receive SMS
msgs containing commands for the phone would seem to be very useful.
The first thing
The thing has bluetooth so it should be able to connect to the
Wiimote. Using one instead of an internal accelerometer makes sense,
because when you move your phone around, it's hard to keep looking at
the screen.
Ortwin
On 3/1/07, adrian cockcroft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I would like to inc
I would like to include an accelerometer in a phone design (my own
homebrew design or a future Neo perhaps?), then all the Nintendo Wii
style interactions become possible.
If my phone is locked it asserts that it should be at rest, if someone
picks it up it needs a code or a secret gesture on the
On Wed, 28 Feb 2007, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote:
> Personally I like the idea of periodic SMS messages with the
> lat/lon/altitude. When in stolen mode, having the phone receive SMS
> msgs containing commands for the phone would seem to be very useful.
The first thing that happens to a stolen p
On Thursday 01 March 2007 14:20, Christian T. wrote:
> Attila Csipa wrote:
> > Only if the thief actually sets up SMS (if his SIM is of a different
> > provider, the service center likely needs to be changed).
>
> I have one unlocked phone and I'm changing between two SIMs (different
> providers) a
On Thursday 01 March 2007 08:41, you wrote:
> later someone will write a Troyan Horse, some king of dialer (like for
> application made calls and sent smses. Openmoko kernel should log any
>
> What do you think?
There are two sides to this problem - one, the origin of software. This has
actually
On Thursday 01 March 2007 14:20:32 Christian T. wrote:
> I have one unlocked phone and I'm changing between two SIMs (different
> providers) and somehow it seems to configure that automagically. I
> guess, the configuration is on the SIM. It's like that for all Austrian
> providers i tried. So at l
Attila Csipa wrote:
> Only if the thief actually sets up SMS (if his SIM is of a different
> provider,
> the service center likely needs to be changed).
I have one unlocked phone and I'm changing between two SIMs (different
providers) and somehow it seems to configure that automagically. I
guess
"Christopher Tokarczyk" writes:
> I think the disagreement over what the phone ideally should do when
> stolen is even more support for the proposition that there should be a
> way for the owner to configure this behavior.
In addition, it would be very useful if the phone was reconfigurable
*afte
On Wednesday 28 February 2007 21:44, Steven ** wrote:
> Caveat emptor. Possession of stolen property is still a crime where I
> live, even if you didn't do the actual stealing.
All I'm saying (IANAL of course) that for many of those items (especially on
places like ebay) it is very hard for the
On Wednesday 28 February 2007 21:29, kkr wrote:
> > out that it is sending expensive foreign/roaming SMS-es because the
> > previous owner 'forgot' to turn off a silent alarm/anti theft application
>
> Is the same for car alarm... When you sold something, you do have to do
> the necessary action (i
Caveat emptor. Possession of stolen property is still a crime where I
live, even if you didn't do the actual stealing.
That said, I agree that attempting to rack up a large bill will not
prevent theft nor lead to the return of the phone. Any anti-theft
mechanisms should focus on locating the ph
Le mercredi 28 février 2007 à 20:54 +0100, Attila Csipa a écrit :
> A lot of ideas have been written on anti theft protection, but much of it
> from
> a geek/user's standpoint, and almost completely forgetting the possible
> ramifications of the suggested techniques. First of all, none of the
>
I think the disagreement over what the phone ideally should do when
stolen is even more support for the proposition that there should be a
way for the owner to configure this behavior.
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Aaron Coats writes:
>This seems like it would encourage the thief to destroy the phone,
>remember, he/she stole it it isn't worth much to them. Now if the
Remember, my version of the "stolen" behavior called for the phone to
pretend it's a brick (while sending SMS messages giving its position
True but most cellphone get lost mostly on the bus, metro, restaurants,etc.
Misplacing the phone home is not as dramatic as losing it in a public place.
Looking for it with your laptop at home maybe the solution but is it most
viable for the metro or the restaurant or any public places ?What i
Le mercredi 28 février 2007 à 18:00 +0100, Gabriel Ambuehl a écrit :
> Improving on the idea: get someone to operate one of those 0900 numbers in
> each country (usualy they dont really work cross country very well) who will
> then give the proceeds to the owner of the stolen phone so he can buy
On Wednesday 28 February 2007 15:19, Christian T. wrote:
> IMO sms should be the standard-method, because it should always work.
Only if the thief actually sets up SMS (if his SIM is of a different provider,
the service center likely needs to be changed).
A lot of ideas have been written on anti theft protection, but much of it from
a geek/user's standpoint, and almost completely forgetting the possible
ramifications of the suggested techniques. First of all, none of the
techniques presented PROTECT your phone from being stolen (they fall more to
This seems like it would encourage the thief to destroy the phone,
remember, he/she stole it it isn't worth much to them. Now if the
audible message were something like, "I'M LOST, HELP ME FIND MY
OWNER" the the thief might be guilted into giving the phone back and
might not be as likely
Once the phone goes into "Stolen Mode" the Bluetooth radio could be
turned on continuously. You don't need to use another phone to
detect Bluetooth, many laptops (most Macs) have built-in BT and if
they don't you can get a dongle.
-Aaron
On Feb 28, 2007, at 7:08 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrot
On Wednesday 28 February 2007 15:09:47 Krzysztof Kajkowski wrote:
> 2007/2/28, Bartłomiej Zdanowski DRP AC2 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > Hi.
> >
> > That's the solution! Let thief pay for data transmission :-)
>
> How about silently calling 0700 and othe highly price erotic phone lines?
Improving on
On Wed, 2007-02-28 at 11:13 -0500, Christopher Tokarczyk wrote:
> Semi-related: Does anyone know of a page on the wiki that deals with
> this anti-theft discussion? Perhaps someone could add a page if it
> doesn't? (I don't know how restricted the wiki is). It seems like a
> good place to keep tra
this also looks like these things can be categorized into different groups.
First, there are events or situations that set off the stolen-mode
(such as wrong pin, owner sending a message to the phone, possibly
even getting close to a gps coordinate, etc.).
Then there are actions to be taken: emi
Bartłomiej Zdanowski DRP AC2 writes:
>
>I like the idea. I agree with Cayco, that you cannot ask police to catch
>the thief. But sending coords would be very interesting solution.
>As the GPS coords may be not very accurate I'd extend the idea to
>bluetooth connection which is a very short range,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisał(a):
> > Locking the phone and receiving GPS position is great but how
> do you
> > find your Neo in a crowd when the thief as it in is pocket. I
> would
> > add 2 more options to the list.
> It was solved a few answers ago via bluetooth.
How will you detect the blu
Krzysztof Kajkowski napisał(a):
2007/2/28, Bartłomiej Zdanowski DRP AC2 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
How about silently calling 0700 and othe highly price erotic phone lines?
That's what you think about all the time... Get back to work! ;-)
--
*Bartłomiej Zdanowski*
Programista
Dział Rozwoju Produktó
Locking the phone and receiving GPS position is great but how do you find your
Neo in a crowd when the thief as it in is pocket. I would add 2 more options to
the list.
First: The phone should (when available) capture pictures at interval and store
them to the phone until it can send them to a
Bartłomiej Zdanowski DRP AC2 wrote:
> I asked my colleagues for a solution. For non-existent or disabled GPRS
> connection our devices use SMS messages for reporting current status and
> position.
> That's the solution! Let thief pay for data transmission :-)
well, of course. didn't think of that.
2007/2/28, Bartłomiej Zdanowski DRP AC2 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Hi.
That's the solution! Let thief pay for data transmission :-)
How about silently calling 0700 and othe highly price erotic phone lines?
:-D
cayco
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Hi.
Christian T. napisał(a):
Here's the problem: Although it's a good idea that the thief has to use
his own SIM (that's what he expects anyway) but it won't be easy to get
a GPRS-connection for sending the coordinates. If he is using another
provider, the settings will differ. Many providers ev
Hi all,
In addition to the data suggested to be sent when a phone is in stolen
mode, such as GPS, perhaps the phone could even send other data. If
the person uses a stolen phone to store contacts, send the contacts.
in fact, send the numbers dialed, too. If they use it to manage email,
forward th
Christian T. napisał(a):
Here's the problem: Although it's a good idea that the thief has to use
his own SIM (that's what he expects anyway) but it won't be easy to get
a GPRS-connection for sending the coordinates. If he is using another
provider, the settings will differ. Many providers even de
> I like the idea. I agree with Cayco, that you cannot ask police to catch
> the thief.
Actually in some contries that might work. :)
> But sending coords would be very interesting solution.
> As the GPS coords may be not very accurate I'd extend the idea to
> bluetooth connection which is a very
Hi.
Aloril napisał(a):
When phone is lost and somebody picks it up, it would first ask PIN
(...bla bla bla...)
I like the idea. I agree with Cayco, that you cannot ask police to catch
the thief. But sending coords would be very interesting solution.
As the GPS coords may be not very accurat
Euhhh, I do not want the thief to make international calls on my bill
May be the phone should simulate that it's switched off ( to save power )
and send from time to time the coordinates.
Jan.
On 2/27/07, Aloril <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
When phone is lost and somebody picks it up, it wo
2007/2/27, Aloril <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Idea is keep thief using phone
until police arrives and recovers it.
Yeah, and maybe call nearest SWAT team to clear the area :-P I doubt
if police would bother in chasing thief for one phone (at least where
I live). They should at least have some warrant
When phone is lost and somebody picks it up, it would first ask PIN
and have message in screen that says something like "If you don't know
PIN, give 1234". If user types 1234 then it presents 2 buttons:
"Contact owner of phone" and "Use phone" (==I'm stealing this). If
user selects "Use phone", the
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