Re: The "open hardware" phone project that's had the most interest

2013-10-16 Thread Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli
On Sat, 05 Oct 2013 15:00:07 -0400 Stefan Monnier wrote: > And it would be bulkier and more expensive than a non-modular phone, > of course. http://components.arrow.com/part/search/buglabs The main cost in doing that is the plastic of the modules. Denis. _

Re: The "open hardware" phone project that's had the most interest

2013-10-16 Thread Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli
On Sat, 05 Oct 2013 17:24:51 +0200 "Raphael Wimmer" wrote: > * The concept assumes that all components use a common communication > backplane. This is not feasible, as a variety of voltages and > communication protocols are in use in a typical phone (I2C, SPI, > UART, USB, various display pro

Re: The "open hardware" phone project that's had the most interest

2013-10-16 Thread Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli
On Sat, 5 Oct 2013 17:19:18 +0200 joerg Reisenweber wrote: > In the last 50 years I've seen only _one_ truly modular concept for > electronic circuits that would basically meet the flexibility > requirements you are asking for: > http://makezine.com/2011/12/08/the-braun-lectron-system-retro-circ

Re: The "open hardware" phone project that's had the most interest

2013-10-08 Thread Davide Scaini
Someone was talking about a modular phone, right? Have a look at this (spoiler: it's not a phone ;) yet) http://www.redsharknews.com/technology/item/1123-this-could-be-the-biggest-advance-in-camera-design-for-a-decade Regards, d On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 12:59 AM, Kai Lüke wrote: > Hi, > GTAx is a

Re: The "open hardware" phone project that's had the most interest

2013-10-05 Thread Kai Lüke
Hi, GTAx is allready more extensible than normal smartphones because of usb host mode. And any different fast data connector I think about might allow an attacker to get access to your system, like the hacks with firewire. I also think it would be nice to have modular phone, but this is a huge goal

Re: The "open hardware" phone project that's had the most interest

2013-10-05 Thread Stefan Monnier
> There are numerous threads on Reddit that explain very well why this is not > feasible [1,2,many] This is bogus. It is feasible. Just not quite in the way those people ask for it. E.g. you wouldn't have just a CPU module, and instead you'd have a module that combines the CPU with many other t

Re: The "open hardware" phone project that's had the most interest

2013-10-05 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 05.10.2013 um 17:19 schrieb joerg Reisenweber: > In the last 50 years I've seen only _one_ truly modular concept for > electronic > circuits that would basically meet the flexibility requirements you are > asking > for: > http://makezine.com/2011/12/08/the-braun-lectron-system-retro-circu

Re: The "open hardware" phone project that's had the most interest

2013-10-05 Thread Raphael Wimmer
On Sat, 05 Oct 2013 17:04:24 +0200, Pascal Gosselin wrote: [...] If technically feasible, this project I believe stands the best chance of obtaining funding as the concept has wide appeal. Interesting long-term vision: maybe. Short-term replacement for GTA04: no. I posted this on the Open

Re: The "open hardware" phone project that's had the most interest

2013-10-05 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 05.10.2013 um 17:14 schrieb Pascal Gosselin: > On 2013-10-05 11:06 AM, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: >> On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Pascal Gosselin >> wrote: >>> If technically feasible >> That's the problem. >> > What immediately jumps to my mind is the small number of pins for the >

Re: The "open hardware" phone project that's had the most interest

2013-10-05 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 05.10.2013 um 17:06 schrieb Sebastian Krzyszkowiak: > On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Pascal Gosselin wrote: >> If technically feasible > > That's the problem. ++ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.ope

Re: The "open hardware" phone project that's had the most interest

2013-10-05 Thread joerg Reisenweber
In the last 50 years I've seen only _one_ truly modular concept for electronic circuits that would basically meet the flexibility requirements you are asking for: http://makezine.com/2011/12/08/the-braun-lectron-system-retro-circuit- dominoes/ /j -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-m

Re: The "open hardware" phone project that's had the most interest

2013-10-05 Thread Ian Stirling
On 10/05/2013 04:04 PM, Pascal Gosselin wrote: While I understand the needs/wants of open hardware, the average smartphone user really couldn't care less. That's the core of the problem, lack of a large user base. HOWEVER, what a *lot* people seem to be interested in,

Re: The "open hardware" phone project that's had the most interest

2013-10-05 Thread Pascal Gosselin
On 2013-10-05 11:06 AM, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Pascal Gosselin wrote: If technically feasible That's the problem. What immediately jumps to my mind is the small number of pins for the modules, forcing everything to be based on serial interfaces. It's

Re: The "open hardware" phone project that's had the most interest

2013-10-05 Thread Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Pascal Gosselin wrote: > If technically feasible That's the problem. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak, dos http://dosowisko.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailm

The "open hardware" phone project that's had the most interest

2013-10-05 Thread Pascal Gosselin
While I understand the needs/wants of open hardware, the average smartphone user really couldn't care less. That's the core of the problem, lack of a large user base. HOWEVER, what a *lot* people seem to be interested in, is an open architecture MODULAR smartphone that could be

Re: Another open hardware mod experiment: RFID-tag/Reader board for the Freerunner, Nanonote (?) and Beagleboard

2013-01-31 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Hi, I just found some bare unpopulated FRID-PCBs while preparing FOSDEM. If you go there I will have some with me. Nikolaus Am 17.01.2013 um 11:30 schrieb Yury Sakarinen: > Hi, > > I would like to buy The Freerunner RFID but boards not on sale. Does anyone > have an extra? > > http://www.han

Re: Another open hardware mod experiment: RFID-tag/Reader board for the Freerunner, Nanonote (?) and Beagleboard

2013-01-17 Thread Yury Sakarinen
Hi, I would like to buy The Freerunner RFID but boards not on sale. Does anyone have an extra? http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=RFID%20Board Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller писал 2011-04-11 11:23: Dear all, besides the GTA04 and the Freerunner Navigation Board, we have been working beh

ot: CERN launches Open Hardware initiative

2011-07-11 Thread Davide Scaini
If you are interested, more details here: http://press.web.cern.ch/press/PressReleases/Releases2011/PR08.11E.html d ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Another open hardware mod experiment: RFID-tag/Reader board for the Freerunner, Nanonote (?) and Beagleboard

2011-04-12 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 11.04.2011 um 23:16 schrieb W. B. Kranendonk: > Does this kind of antenna need to have right-angled corners, as in the photo? > Or is that shape easier sculpted in the PCB? Well, the shape should cover an inside area as big as possible. And fit onto a given rectangular shape. The width and

Re: Another open hardware mod experiment: RFID-tag/Reader board for the Freerunner, Nanonote (?) and Beagleboard

2011-04-11 Thread W. B. Kranendonk
--- On Mon, 4/11/11, Denis Shulyaka wrote: > Date: Monday, April 11, 2011, 12:41 PM > 2011/4/11 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller > : > > There are three potential issues whiy it could not > work: (...) > Wikipedia says that it uses Mifare UltraLight chip (ISO > 14443 Type A > 13,56 MHz), so the protocol

Re: Another open hardware mod experiment: RFID-tag/Reader board for the Freerunner, Nanonote (?) and Beagleboard

2011-04-11 Thread Denis Shulyaka
2011/4/11 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller : > Difficult to say. > > There are three potential issues whiy it could not work: > * our board is 13.56 MHz (other RFID systems use different frequencies) > * our board supports two protocol standards (they may use a different one) > * the RFID system may be cop

Re: Another open hardware mod experiment: RFID-tag/Reader board for the Freerunner, Nanonote (?) and Beagleboard

2011-04-11 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 11.04.2011 um 10:13 schrieb Ed Kapitein: > Hi Nikolaus, > Just an idea: > handheld scanner for pets (veterinarian, animal rescue workers etc) > It could read the animals rfid chip and do a lookup in the database to show > the owner. > Kind regards, > Ed Nice idea! Tags are available in many

Re: Another open hardware mod experiment: RFID-tag/Reader board for the Freerunner, Nanonote (?) and Beagleboard

2011-04-11 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 11.04.2011 um 10:13 schrieb Alex (Maxious) Sadleir: > There's an app for Android that reads MIFARE 13.56MHz transit cards: > https://github.com/codebutler/farebot > The author would like to see eventually emulating such cards: > http://codebutler.com/announcing-farebot-for-android > I would de

Re: Another open hardware mod experiment: RFID-tag/Reader board for the Freerunner, Nanonote (?) and Beagleboard

2011-04-11 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 11.04.2011 um 09:59 schrieb Denis Shulyaka: > Hi Nikolaus, > > Great news! > > Here in Moscow, some of the tickets to public transport are basically > RFID tags. Will I be able to "copy" them and use my Free Runner for it > with this hardware? Difficult to say. There are three potential is

Re: Another open hardware mod experiment: RFID-tag/Reader board for the Freerunner, Nanonote (?) and Beagleboard

2011-04-11 Thread Ed Kapitein
Hi Nikolaus, Just an idea: handheld scanner for pets (veterinarian, animal rescue workers etc) It could read the animals rfid chip and do a lookup in the database to show the owner. Kind regards, Ed On Monday 11 April 2011 09:59:38 Denis Shulyaka wrote: > Hi Nikolaus, > > Great news! > > Her

Re: Another open hardware mod experiment: RFID-tag/Reader board for the Freerunner, Nanonote (?) and Beagleboard

2011-04-11 Thread Alex (Maxious) Sadleir
There's an app for Android that reads MIFARE 13.56MHz transit cards: https://github.com/codebutler/farebot The author would like to see eventually emulating such cards: http://codebutler.com/announcing-farebot-for-android I would definitely be interested in a board if it was proven it could read or

Re: Another open hardware mod experiment: RFID-tag/Reader board for the Freerunner, Nanonote (?) and Beagleboard

2011-04-11 Thread Denis Shulyaka
Hi Nikolaus, Great news! Here in Moscow, some of the tickets to public transport are basically RFID tags. Will I be able to "copy" them and use my Free Runner for it with this hardware? Best regards, Denis Shulyaka. 2011/4/11 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller : > Dear all, > besides the GTA04 and the F

Another open hardware mod experiment: RFID-tag/Reader board for the Freerunner, Nanonote (?) and Beagleboard

2011-04-11 Thread Dr . H . Nikolaus Schaller
Dear all, besides the GTA04 and the Freerunner Navigation Board, we have been working behind the scenes on a new hardware mod, originally for the Openmoko Freerunner. It is a RFID Antenna, RFID Tag (M24LR64) and a RFID Reader (TRF7960) board. For 13 MHz (ISO14443, ISO15693). The p

Re: Interesting new 'Open' Hardware & how do I build shr for it?

2010-12-02 Thread Al Johnson
On Wednesday 01 December 2010, Gennady Kupava wrote: > В Пнд, 29/11/2010 в 01:24 -0800, c_c пишет: > > Hi, > > > > I was looking at arowboat.org - which is a project at getting Android > > > > working on all TI OMAP series boards and I saw a link to > > opensourcemid.org. Apparently, Embest (wh

Re: Interesting new 'Open' Hardware & how do I build shr for it?

2010-12-01 Thread Gennady Kupava
В Пнд, 29/11/2010 в 01:24 -0800, c_c пишет: > Hi, > I was looking at arowboat.org - which is a project at getting Android > working on all TI OMAP series boards and I saw a link to opensourcemid.org. > Apparently, Embest (who also make the DevKit 8000 - a beagle board like > board) have made a 7

Re: Interesting new 'Open' Hardware & how do I build shr for it?

2010-11-29 Thread Patryk Benderz
[cut] > community now. They claim to be 'open' - maybe the community can see > if they truly are. I am not an expert in this matter, but it looks like they provide only electronic schematics. What would be more useful are PCB layouts and some CAD casing drawings. You could compare this to

Re: Interesting new 'Open' Hardware & how do I build shr for it?

2010-11-29 Thread Martin Jansa
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 01:41:18AM -0800, c_c wrote: > > Hi Martin, > Can you elaborate? Say I add another conf file to conf/machine/ called > K7.conf. How do I now make a root image for this arch? Of course, I intend > keeping my build system intact for the FR too. So how do I get bitbake to >

Re: Interesting new 'Open' Hardware & how do I build shr for it?

2010-11-29 Thread c_c
. As you can see, I'm quite a noobie when it comes to using bitbake for building images and that sort of thing. Thanks -- View this message in context: http://openmoko-public-mailinglists.1958.n2.nabble.com/Interesting-new-Open-Hardware-how-do-I-build-shr-for-it-tp5783703p5783737.html Sent

Re: Interesting new 'Open' Hardware & how do I build shr for it?

2010-11-29 Thread Martin Jansa
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 01:24:57AM -0800, c_c wrote: > So here are my questions :- > 1. How do I port SHR to this device (or any other for that matter) Mostly equals to adding support for that device in OpenEmbedded (conf/machine/*.conf) BUG-2.0 (bug20.conf) is using same OMAP, so it shouldn't

Re: Interesting new 'Open' Hardware & how do I build shr for it?

2010-11-29 Thread c_c
. Disclaimer : I have nothing to do with embest. Just thought I'd let the community now. They claim to be 'open' - maybe the community can see if they truly are. -- View this message in context: http://openmoko-public-mailinglists.1958.n2.nabble.com/Interesting-new-Open-Hardware-how-do-

Interesting new 'Open' Hardware & how do I build shr for it?

2010-11-29 Thread c_c
based distro any day over it. So, what do you think? Chaitanya -- View this message in context: http://openmoko-public-mailinglists.1958.n2.nabble.com/Interesting-new-Open-Hardware-how-do-I-build-shr-for-it-tp5783703p5783703.html Sent from the Ope

Open Hardware/Software Event Munich, Germany in December 2010

2010-09-14 Thread Dr . H . Nikolaus Schaller
Hi all, after we have defined the location to be in Munich, we have received many pre-registrations through Doodle: http://www.doodle.com/93cu86vm2s69zsxc Thanks to all who participated! It is now clear that the date is the 4./5. December (second Sunday in Advent). To improve communica

Re: Whither open hardware ?

2010-01-08 Thread Werner Almesberger
Dave Ball wrote: > What's the yard stick for measuring against here? I.e. are we talking > about one-off from digikey/farnell, samples direct from the > manufacturer, or limited-run (couple of hundreds) quantities? For the full process from R&D to mass production, you need to have channels for

Re: Whither open hardware ?

2010-01-06 Thread Dave Ball
Hi Werner, Werner Almesberger wrote: > There are many component choices for future phones. Things to consider > when choosing chips include: > - are they available (to us) ? > What's the yard stick for measuring against here? I.e. are we talking about one-off from digikey/farnell, samples

Re: Whither open hardware ? (was Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?)

2010-01-03 Thread Werner Almesberger
Laszlo KREKACS wrote: > Is it unsuitable for a phone because of power inefficiency? > Can be the "ARM Cortex-A8 600Mhz" used in a future phone? There are many component choices for future phones. Things to consider when choosing chips include: - do they fit the intended purpose ? - are they open

Re: Whither open hardware ? (was Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?)

2010-01-03 Thread Joerg Eesmann
Hi, I would love to have an open phone with OMAP processor like OpenPandora and BeagleBoard. Both have the OMAP 3530 with 3D acceleration and DSP. Maybe a phone doesn't need the DSP. But it is amazingly powersufficient, IMO. The phone would be up to date from processor power, and there should not b

Re: Whither open hardware ?

2010-01-03 Thread GNUtoo
On Sun, 2010-01-03 at 20:49 +, Dave Ball wrote: > Laszlo KREKACS wrote: > > There is also the openpandora project: > > http://www.open-pandora.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=2&Itemid=2&lang=en > > > > Is it unsuitable for a phone because of power inefficiency? > >

Re: Whither open hardware ?

2010-01-03 Thread Dave Ball
Laszlo KREKACS wrote: > There is also the openpandora project: > http://www.open-pandora.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=2&Itemid=2&lang=en > > Is it unsuitable for a phone because of power inefficiency? > Can be the "ARM Cortex-A8 600Mhz" used in a future phone? >

Re: Whither open hardware ? (was Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?)

2010-01-03 Thread Laszlo KREKACS
On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Werner Almesberger wrote: > The 2442 is now about five years old, and it shows all over the > place. In an updated but similar design, unlike gta02-core suitable > for mass-production, I would use something like the 2450, which has > high-speed USB, 2D acceleration,

Whither open hardware ? (was Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?)

2010-01-03 Thread Werner Almesberger
Ken Young wrote: > My two cents: If I were dictator of the gta02-core team (instead of > someone who doesn't even contribute), I would repurpose the device as a > GPS PDA. I would remove all the radio components except for the WiFi, > and try to optimize for the longest battery life possible.

Re: Web site promoting open hardware?

2009-09-16 Thread GNUtoo
On Thu, 2009-09-10 at 11:00 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > While looking for new hardware, I noticed that all the open hardware > I know, I discovered it by accident while reading some mailing-list. > > Is there a web site somewhere that kind of centralizes this info to try > and

Re: Web site promoting open hardware?

2009-09-15 Thread Kerstin
hackable events > > > Regards, > Jérôme Blondon. > > > Le jeudi 10 septembre 2009 à 11:00 -0400, Stefan Monnier a écrit : >> While looking for new hardware, I noticed that all the open hardware >> I know, I discovered it by accident while reading some mailing-l

Re: Web site promoting open hardware?

2009-09-15 Thread jbl2024
sourceforge but for hardware hacking) * link people between them and promote hackable events Regards, Jérôme Blondon. Le jeudi 10 septembre 2009 à 11:00 -0400, Stefan Monnier a écrit : > While looking for new hardware, I noticed that all the open hardware > I know, I discovered it by ac

Re: Web site promoting open hardware?

2009-09-12 Thread Stefan Monnier
> what would drive someone to this site/list and what are the criteria people > are looking for? The main reason is to provide financial support to companies that support my ideals rather than to those that undermine them. Stefan ___ Openmoko

Re: Web site promoting open hardware?

2009-09-12 Thread Richy
One Question here. Under Openmoko - The bad it says: "The basses are filtred on the headphones output...because of a capacitor which value was too low(can't be fixed) " What is the bassfix than? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_bass_fix Maybe someone could correct the page. On Sat, Sep 12, 2

Re: Web site promoting open hardware?

2009-09-12 Thread John Sullivan
Stefan Monnier writes: > While looking for new hardware, I noticed that all the open hardware > I know, I discovered it by accident while reading some mailing-list. > > Is there a web site somewhere that kind of centralizes this info to try > and make it easier for openness-cons

Re: Web site promoting open hardware?

2009-09-11 Thread Robin Paulson
2009/9/11 Stefan Monnier : > While looking for new hardware, I noticed that all the open hardware > I know, I discovered it by accident while reading some mailing-list. > > Is there a web site somewhere that kind of centralizes this info to try > and make it easier for openness-cons

Re: Web site promoting open hardware?

2009-09-11 Thread Al Johnson
are makers for how 'open' they are? > > I think we first need to define why someone is looking for openness, and > what they expect from it. > Can you explain your motives? What makes you interested in Openmoko, Qi, > OpenPandora, etc.? > Thanks, > Wolfgang > > O

Re: Web site promoting open hardware?

2009-09-10 Thread Wolfgang Spraul
ndora, etc.? Thanks, Wolfgang On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:00:49AM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > While looking for new hardware, I noticed that all the open hardware > I know, I discovered it by accident while reading some mailing-list. > > Is there a web site somewhere that kind of centr

Re: Web site promoting open hardware?

2009-09-10 Thread rakshat hooja
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 8:30 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote: > While looking for new hardware, I noticed that all the open hardware > I know, I discovered it by accident while reading some mailing-list. > > Is there a web site somewhere that kind of centralizes this info to try > and mak

Web site promoting open hardware?

2009-09-10 Thread Stefan Monnier
While looking for new hardware, I noticed that all the open hardware I know, I discovered it by accident while reading some mailing-list. Is there a web site somewhere that kind of centralizes this info to try and make it easier for openness-conscious consumers to find appropriate hardware? Of

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-08-10 Thread Sam Kuper
2009/7/20 Giovanni > MIPS is a great architecture and I am sure that it will have a bright > future. Looking even brighter already: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/06/mips_android_port_open_sourced/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@l

Re: Fwd: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-27 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
Christoph, Thank you for a very thoughtful email. I appreciate your inputs on this topic. >This is my outing, that I never really understand the concept of >"open"(moko) :-) >From my observations of this list, I do not think you are the only one. >2. Considering this, you have to arrange wit

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-27 Thread Adolph J. Vogel
Wolfgang > Are you a mechanical engineer? Or do you know some that are interested in > joining to work on a free design and/or can do some coding too? :-) I`m a qualified mechanical engineer, currently finishing my Masters degree. Although I have some experience in solid modelling, I`m not that

Re: applied sci-fi (was Re: New Open Hardware company)

2009-07-25 Thread Werner Almesberger
pike wrote: > strange, i've never seen it in day-to-day usage. > can't do it on my phone afaik ? It's certainly one of the more obscure features :) You should be able to use it by making the first call, then call the next party and "join" the calls, and so on. Not sure if any of the Openmoko distr

Re: applied sci-fi (was Re: New Open Hardware company)

2009-07-25 Thread pike
Hi > Okay, that's a far-out idea. Something closer to home: if you don't need > video telephony, you don't need rapidly updating color images. So, put > e-paper into those phones. Maybe even the well-established grayscale type. > It probably still updates quickly enough that you could even doodle

applied sci-fi (was Re: New Open Hardware company)

2009-07-25 Thread Werner Almesberger
[ Changed the subject, for we've veered off-topic. ] pike wrote: > So, what did science fiction *miss* ? Actually, very little :) One thing that could make voice telecommunication a lot more attractive would be an avatar who "listens" and "understands". Voice mail makes many people uncomfortable

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-25 Thread Michal Brzozowski
2009/7/25 pike > Ofcourse, you cant expect people to jump > into a conference call every moment. But > if you could 'add' a person during a call, > that would help. It would be possible if > only one of the connected devices could > do that. > > just dreaming.. > Not really, with voip you can do

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-25 Thread pike
Hi > With virtually every movie that depicts an even slightly futuristic > world showing video telephony, it's no surprise that some people do > start to believe that this will be part of the future ... > > With that in mind, we could ask ourselves what are the roads not > taken in the "guided ev

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-25 Thread Werner Almesberger
steven mosher wrote: >2. Build a Copyleft version of the Iphone from scratch. pass me > 400Million and I'll get right >on it! But you can't just build the iPhone, you have to build what > apple will ship 18 months >from now to be competitive. Heh, I'd do it for 40 ;-) But I th

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-25 Thread Gilles Casse
john wrote: > [snip] > ...look at new areas such as hackable wearable > computing. Thus I am interested in seeing things get smaller and > cheaper and more hackable and not getting more shiny! > +1 Gilles ___ Openmoko community mailing list communit

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-24 Thread Esben Stien
Wolfgang Spraul writes: > Do you know other free 3D tools? http://irc.esben-stien.name/mediawiki/index.php/NURBS -- Esben Stien is b...@e s a http://www. s tn m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-24 Thread steven mosher
Exactly, As I've said before people do a dis service to values of openess by these point comparisons between iPhone and everything else. But if that comparison must be made then let the first bullet point be this: Open versus Closed. That said if the goal is to create an iPhone clone wi

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-24 Thread Al Johnson
On Friday 24 July 2009, Tony Berth wrote: > I wouldn't care about Sisvel. Let them try to sue you in ... China :) What > Sisvel 'defines' is useless and they know that. How may chinese companies > were sued anyway? :) Christoph's problem is that as a reseller he's the one that gets sued, or has h

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-24 Thread Wolfgang Spraul
Tony, just a few misconceptions - Qi is global, same as Openmoko. Headquarter in San Francisco, R&D in Taiwan, Germany, USA. Production in China. About patents - we care a lot. Qi Hardware is Copyleft Hardware. How could we think that this would work if we didn't respect intellectual property? We

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-24 Thread Al Johnson
On Friday 24 July 2009, Christoph Pulster wrote: > >> 3. the PDA clam-shell form factor is obsolete > > > > Not a single one commented negatively about the clamshell. > > Psion Plc. invent the clamshell and set the top-level of usable keyboard > verses form-factor with Series 3 twenty years ago. T

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-24 Thread Tony Berth
just few comments from a European! :) Its just FINE that you base your company in China. China is worldwide a synonym of superior quality and most advanced technology in terms of electronics and they are catching up extremely fast with the rest of the industrial activities. I wouldn't care about

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-24 Thread Michal Brzozowski
2009/7/24 Christoph Pulster > In general, what advantage does the NanoNote have to an Iphone with > Linux installed ? > I hope you are talking just about the design. Physical keyboard is way better if you're typing a lot. Even small. The screen is protected when it's in your pocket. I could pro

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-24 Thread john
Actually one of the things I would like to do with a NanoNote is turn it into a dedicated Twitter client! I think opinion will always be divided on form factor. I have owned many devices from the Psion Series II through to the iPhone but I still like Zaurus clamshell designs. I also like the idea o

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-22 Thread Rafael Campos
Wolfgang, On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 4:41 PM, Wolfgang Spraul wrote: > Rafael, > >> > (ex-OM as well) has found some serious problems with HeeksCAD already, that >> > he says prohibit him from doing effective work to prepare for plastic >> > injection. Oh well... >> This a surprise to me, as i didn't

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-22 Thread steven mosher
Thanks for your kind words. On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 12:16 AM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 08:47:47AM -0700, steven mosher wrote: > > A while back Wolfgang mentioned that he and I were starting a new > venture.Drop > > by and say hello. > > > > http://www.qi-hardware.c

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-22 Thread steven mosher
Yes, that would be a great april fools joke. Vintage is very trendy http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10021523-1.html hehe Werner, small keyboards, vi. It's an inside joke. Or rather a hat tip to a good man, great programmer, and founder of OM. On that note, it's not kosher to use thi

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-22 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
On Tuesday 21 July 2009 17:24:56 Shaz wrote: > We (academic RnD) need a community effort and an effort that can compete > with iPhone and Windows mobiles. OHA and LIMO kind of efforts but that are > not as free as freedom and sort of not really open :) Can't this community > aim at working at that

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-22 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 08:47:47AM -0700, steven mosher wrote: > A while back Wolfgang mentioned that he and I were starting a new venture.Drop > by and say hello. > > http://www.qi-hardware.com/ Heh, it seems like I'm not in your target sets, but good luck in this venture! :) Rui -- ___

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-21 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 21.07.2009 um 22:52 schrieb steven mosher: > Glad you noticed that Werner. When we went over the keyboard vi > was on my mind. So next year on April 1st the company will be relaunched as vi- hardware :) Some corollary: vi = vi-ntage Real programmers do everything in vi (e.g. http://h

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-21 Thread Wolfgang Spraul
Laszlo, excellent link to wildcat, thanks! Free mechanical tools are the weakest part (aside from free IC design tools), so this may take a while until it becomes a real production option but it's definitely on the radar. I will follow up on wildcat in a little bit. Best Regards, Wolfgang On Tue,

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-21 Thread steven mosher
hehe. glad somebody has a sense of humor. But seriously when I was kid made in japan meant crap, as a young adult made in taiwan meant crap ( there were some budding geniuses who felt Nvidia was DOOMED because they used TSMC ). To be sure if you do not control the quality at any manufacturing s

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-21 Thread David Reyes Samblas Martinez
2009/7/21 Michal Brzozowski : > 2009/7/21 steven mosher >> >>> 2. you base on "made in China" (synonym for crap in Europe) >> >>      Iphone is made in China. > > Which confirms Christoph's point :-) LOL XD > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > com

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-21 Thread steven mosher
Glad you noticed that Werner. When we went over the keyboard vi was on my mind. generally I tried to think of the things I could do with the device rather than the things one could not obviously do. On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 4:27 AM, Werner Almesberger wrote: > Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: >

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-21 Thread Michal Brzozowski
2009/7/21 steven mosher > > 2. you base on "made in China" (synonym for crap in Europe) > > > Iphone is made in China. > >> Which confirms Christoph's point :-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-21 Thread steven mosher
Thanks christoph. Please feel free to sign up over on the developer list at qi and post comments there. Inlined repsonses. On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 5:44 AM, Christoph Pulster wrote: > Hi, > > my thoughts to Qi / NanoBook: > > Mistakes repeated from Openmoko times: > 1. you believe too much in t

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-21 Thread Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 08:47:47AM -0700, steven mosher wrote: > A while back Wolfgang mentioned that he and I were starting a new venture.Drop > by and say hello. Congratulations on getting there! > http://www.qi-hardware.com/ LOL. My first thought was "quarter-inch hardware". :-) I

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-21 Thread Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 11:47:01PM -0700, steven mosher wrote: > no touch screen. I've got a post on features coming out tommorrow Perhaps someone figures out how to retrofit a touch screen. Here's an example of doing so on the Eee PC: http://beta.ivancover.com/wiki/index.php/Eee_PC_Internal_

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-21 Thread steven mosher
inlined On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 3:41 AM, Shaz wrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 9:47 PM, steven mosher wrote: > >> A while back Wolfgang mentioned that he and I were starting a new >> venture.Drop >> by and say hello. >> > > This is good news. Congrats and good luck. By the way how are you g

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-21 Thread Laszlo KREKACS
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 6:18 PM, Patryk Benderz wrote: >> The best candidate (the most serious open source software) would be >> wildcat: http://wildcat-cad.blogspot.com/ >> http://code.google.com/p/wildcat-cad/source/list > How about QCaD ( http://www.ribbonsoft.com/qcad.html ) Free QCad is 2D on

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-21 Thread Patryk Benderz
> The best candidate (the most serious open source software) would be > wildcat: http://wildcat-cad.blogspot.com/ > http://code.google.com/p/wildcat-cad/source/list How about QCaD ( http://www.ribbonsoft.com/qcad.html ) or electric for electrical design ( http://www.staticfreesoft.com/productsFree.

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-21 Thread Laszlo KREKACS
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Wolfgang Spraul wrote: > For mechanical design, it's even harder. Werner thinks HeeksCAD is the best > candidate, so Qi is looking into that now. Our mechanical engineer Tully > (ex-OM as well) has found some serious problems with HeeksCAD already, that > he says pr

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-21 Thread Shaz
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 7:28 PM, Wolfgang Spraul wrote: > Christoph, > wow I like your list! > Old mistakes: > > #1 Believing in the community? No comment. > > #2 Not only do we 'announce' products that are not for sale, but in > addition > we have an open roadmap and design the products based on

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-21 Thread Wolfgang Spraul
Rafael, > > (ex-OM as well) has found some serious problems with HeeksCAD already, that > > he says prohibit him from doing effective work to prepare for plastic > > injection. Oh well... > This a surprise to me, as i didn't know this mechanical tool. Are you a mechanical engineer? Or do you know

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-21 Thread Wolfgang Spraul
maddog, thanks for your thoughtful reply! > Fortunately the mp3 issue (as a continued example) can be met other > ways. Since the designs are open, the addition of an mp3 codec by a VAR > (and payment of that royalty in jurisdictions where it is required) is > something that could be done even wi

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-21 Thread Martin Bernreuther
Am Dienstag, 21. Juli 2009 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller: > So you need to connect a mouse that is larger than the device to > position any scrollbars or press buttons? Or does it have a large > enough trackpad somewhere? A pointing stick is much smaller... (And don't tell me a touchpad is

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-21 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
>#2 Not only do we 'announce' products that are not for sale, but in >addition we have an open roadmap and design the products based on >community feedback. A comment on this: Of course designing a product with as much input and feedback from your community of customers is important. But when I

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-21 Thread Rafael Campos
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Wolfgang Spraul wrote: > Shaz, > (cross-posting to develo...@lists.qi-hardware.com, if you have more > Qi-specific > questions please ask me over there) > >> This is good news. Congrats and good luck. By the way how are you guys >> planning to go along with OpenMok

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-21 Thread Wolfgang Spraul
Christoph, wow I like your list! Old mistakes: #1 Believing in the community? No comment. #2 Not only do we 'announce' products that are not for sale, but in addition we have an open roadmap and design the products based on community feedback. #3 We don't need an MPEG-patent license because we d

Re: New Open Hardware company

2009-07-21 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 21.07.2009 um 13:27 schrieb Werner Almesberger: > Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: >> most FOSS. Unless we restrict the Non-G-UI to commandline and >> ncurses. > > I noticed that is has an escape key. So vi will be fine. What else > could one possibly wish for, except that more GUI designers wo

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