Michael 8gb test (was RE: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update)

[steve]

I'm not sure if we did this yet. I'll check

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Hi Steve, others,

About that 8GB micro-SD card (which someone confusingly called a miniSD
card earlier in this thread), steve wrote once upon a time:

|> I think Michael and I were supposed to test the 8GB version.
|> Actually Michael tests and I say wow and great and then do the happy
|> dance.
|>
|> He'll be back soon. We will revert on this.

Then David Samblas Martinez wrote on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 6:17 AM:

| I wanna see a video of that happy dance xD

And then quickly steve replied:

| The Happy dance
|
| http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypnlOJjC368

And much fun ensued. :-)

However, does this mean that at least one 8GB microSD card has been
tested and verified working?

Thanks!

Groetjes,
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Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

[Marnix Klooster]

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Hi Steve, others,

About that 8GB micro-SD card (which someone confusingly called a miniSD
card earlier in this thread), steve wrote once upon a time:

|> I think Michael and I were supposed to test the 8GB version.
|> Actually Michael tests and I say wow and great and then do the happy
|> dance.
|>
|> He'll be back soon. We will revert on this.

Then David Samblas Martinez wrote on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 6:17 AM:

| I wanna see a video of that happy dance xD

And then quickly steve replied:

| The Happy dance
|
| http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypnlOJjC368

And much fun ensued. :-)

However, does this mean that at least one 8GB microSD card has been
tested and verified working?

Thanks!

Groetjes,
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Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

Stroller wrote:

On 13 Apr 2008, at 17:44, steve wrote:

Not sure I understand what you mean by final Inventory.

The STANDARD box contents will be a Phone and Battery. I expect to add 
some

other goodies, but only for the first few thousand buyers.

Many people have voiced there opinion to me about what EXTRAS they would
like in the box ...


A headset is ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL to me.

I need to be able to talk whilst I drive sometimes.

Of course, if you make it an optional accessory I will (reluctantly) pay 
extra to purchase it, but a headset has been included in my last 3 phone 
purchases.


I agree... Btw, I hope it will be possible also to talk while driving 
without the headset, but using hands-free (software) feature.


Simply the phone could increase both its speaker volume and its 
microphone sensitivity.


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Re: Any compliant headset? (Re: was FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update)

[Alexey Feldgendler]

On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 12:03:38 +0200, Stroller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:


All I want to do is to be able to use some of the time I spend driving  
to return my customers' phonecalls. If this can be solved with a wired  
pair of earbuds (featuring a microphone on the cable) which costs  
pennies to produce then (to me) this is obviously better than  
experimenting with several bluetooth headsets which, a week or two after  
purchase, start dropping off my ear in the middle of a conversation.  
Right now, all I do when I get in my car is take my phone out of my  
shirt pocket, pick up the earbuds' cable from the passenger seat and  
plug it in; it takes 2 seconds to clip the microphone to my shirt collar.


Seems like a car kit is going to be more appropriate for your needs that a  
headset. There are plenty of bluetooth car kits on the market.



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Re: Any compliant headset? (Re: was FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update)

[Stroller]

On 18 Apr 2008, at 23:12, Shawn Rutledge wrote:


I would like to see future devices using a 3.5mm jack.  IMO the
important thing is high-quality music, whereas if you just want to
talk on the phone, Bluetooth headsets are more popular these days.


I haven't found a bluetooth headset which comfortably fits my ear.  
I'd be happy to use an over-the-head headset (like this shape www.provu.co.uk/imgs/snom_headset_monaural_new.jpg>) if I could find  
one that did bluetooth (in fact, I'd buy at least two) but right now  
I don't consider bluetooth an option.


All I want to do is to be able to use some of the time I spend  
driving to return my customers' phonecalls. If this can be solved  
with a wired pair of earbuds (featuring a microphone on the cable)  
which costs pennies to produce then (to me) this is obviously better  
than experimenting with several bluetooth headsets which, a week or  
two after purchase, start dropping off my ear in the middle of a  
conversation. Right now, all I do when I get in my car is take my  
phone out of my shirt pocket, pick up the earbuds' cable from the  
passenger seat and plug it in; it takes 2 seconds to clip the  
microphone to my shirt collar.


As I said before, each of the last 3 phones I've bought have come  
with a wired headset, but each has use a different proprietary  
connector.
(examples:   
)
For this reason I just assumed that one would require a headset  
designed specifically for the Neo.


For those up in arms over paying for my cabled headset because it's  
an accessory they'll never use, I hope that FIC will consider the  
cost-benefit of this - you can undoubtedly buy such headsets,  
properly wired with the appropriate connector, for cents when you are  
buying them by the thousand from a factory in China. If device owners  
must buy them as a separate item then the price must reflect the  
hassle of stocking & shipping them, and will be MUCH increased.


Stroller.


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Re: Any compliant headset? (Re: was FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update)

[Bastian Muck]

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Hi Gilles,

i got a headset with 2,5mm with my HTC SDA2 (SDAII). Probably you might 
find one when searching with this.


For example here: http://www.mygift.com/htc/htc-SDA-headset.html

Greetings Bastian

Gilles Casse schrieb:
| thomasg wrote:
|> What you wrote, Gilles, is a problem. I can't imagine, that FIC 
produced headsets that would fit for the neo only (why should they?), so 
I strongly assume that the headset is a standard device. Maybe you 
should describe what exactly didn't work, so we can try to figure out 
what the problem is.
|> I can only guess: it could be a problem with the alsa settings, or 
maybe the impedance of the headsets was just different.

|>
|
| Hi Thomas, all,
|
| Publish please urls where a compliant headset (2.5mm, 65 ohms, stereo, 
mic?) can be bought online. If there is no compliant headset, the issue 
will be at least identified, hopefully first step before resolution :-) .

|
| I tried 3 earphones: the first one was unusable, due to low impedance 
as pointed out by Joerg's answer:

| http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-March/013791.html
|
| I did not find a 2.5mm, 65 ohms stereo earphone, and fall back to 
check two 3.5mm, 65 ohms Sennheiser earphones plus a 3.5/2.5mm adapter. 
The audio volume is correct, but now only one ear has audio.

|
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Re: Any compliant headset? (Re: was FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update)

[Shawn Rutledge]

On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 2:54 PM, Richard Reichenbacher
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I noticed only one headphone getting sound when I was using a 3.5-2.5
> adapter with a motorola phone a while ago.  I would just jiggle the
> connection or reinsert the 3.5 slowly and it would work.  Maybe you're
> experiencing the same thing from a similar crappy adapter.

I have also had this happen with an adapter I got from Fry's.  It
worked as badly with my Zaurus as it did with phones (and I haven't
tried on the Neo).  The actual Motorola adapter (a short cable with a
2.5mm right-angle plug on one end and 3.5mm jack on the other end)
works much better with the devices I have tried.

I would like to see future devices using a 3.5mm jack.  IMO the
important thing is high-quality music, whereas if you just want to
talk on the phone, Bluetooth headsets are more popular these days.
(And BT is not as good for music because of the lossy compression.)
It's very nice to be able to directly plug in ordinary good-quality
headphones for music.

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Re: Any compliant headset? (Re: was FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update)

[Richard Reichenbacher]

I noticed only one headphone getting sound when I was using a 3.5-2.5  
adapter with a motorola phone a while ago.  I would just jiggle the  
connection or reinsert the 3.5 slowly and it would work.  Maybe you're  
experiencing the same thing from a similar crappy adapter.



On Apr 18, 2008, at 2:15 PM, Gilles Casse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


thomasg wrote:
What you wrote, Gilles, is a problem. I can't imagine, that FIC  
produced headsets that would fit for the neo only (why should  
they?), so I strongly assume that the headset is a standard device.  
Maybe you should describe what exactly didn't work, so we can try  
to figure out what the problem is.
I can only guess: it could be a problem with the alsa settings, or  
maybe the impedance of the headsets was just different.


Hi Thomas, all,

Publish please urls where a compliant headset (2.5mm, 65 ohms,  
stereo, mic?) can be bought online. If there is no compliant  
headset, the issue will be at least identified, hopefully first step  
before resolution :-) .


I tried 3 earphones: the first one was unusable, due to low  
impedance as pointed out by Joerg's answer:

http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-March/013791.html

I did not find a 2.5mm, 65 ohms stereo earphone, and fall back to  
check two 3.5mm, 65 ohms Sennheiser earphones plus a 3.5/2.5mm  
adapter. The audio volume is correct, but now only one ear has audio.


Gilles


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Any compliant headset? (Re: was FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update)

[Gilles Casse]

thomasg wrote:
What you wrote, Gilles, is a problem. I can't imagine, that FIC produced 
headsets that would fit for the neo only (why should they?), so I 
strongly assume that the headset is a standard device. Maybe you should 
describe what exactly didn't work, so we can try to figure out what the 
problem is.
I can only guess: it could be a problem with the alsa settings, or maybe 
the impedance of the headsets was just different.




Hi Thomas, all,

Publish please urls where a compliant headset (2.5mm, 65 ohms, stereo, 
mic?) can be bought online. If there is no compliant headset, the issue 
will be at least identified, hopefully first step before resolution :-) .


I tried 3 earphones: the first one was unusable, due to low impedance as 
pointed out by Joerg's answer:

http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-March/013791.html

I did not find a 2.5mm, 65 ohms stereo earphone, and fall back to check 
two 3.5mm, 65 ohms Sennheiser earphones plus a 3.5/2.5mm adapter. The 
audio volume is correct, but now only one ear has audio.


Gilles


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Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

[thomasg]

What you wrote, Gilles, is a problem. I can't imagine, that FIC produced
headsets that would fit for the neo only (why should they?), so I strongly
assume that the headset is a standard device. Maybe you should describe what
exactly didn't work, so we can try to figure out what the problem is.
I can only guess: it could be a problem with the alsa settings, or maybe the
impedance of the headsets was just different.

On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Gilles Casse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> thomasg wrote:
>
> > "We all"? At least not me.
> > There are a bunch of wired headsets, headphones, I never used one of it.
> > I also haven't ever seen somebody walking around with a wired headset in
> > the last 3 years.
> > Imho that's one of the most useless accesoires that comes with mobiles.
> > If I want to listen to music, I'll take my good headphones, if I want to
> > do a call, I use my bluetooth headset.
> > I can't see a "most of us" here. Most of us won't need a headset at all,
> > some will, and some of them don't want it wired.
> > So get it yourself if you want to pay for it. I don't.
> > Why do you need a brand? Just get a headset with a 2.5mm plug, it should
> > work.
> >
> >
> Hello,
> I exclusively use the neo1973 with a headset for voice synthesis feedback.
> When I lost the original headset, I bought three other ones elsewhere :
> none of them was compliant with the Neo. Thankfully, I retrieved the lost
> original headset...
> Gilles
>
>
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Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

[Steven Kurylo]

>  A headset is ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL to me.
>
>  I need to be able to talk whilst I drive sometimes.
>
>  Of course, if you make it an optional accessory I will (reluctantly) pay
> extra to purchase it, but a headset has been included in my last 3 phone
> purchases.

You do realize the cost of the headset would be included in the phone
right?  So its either we pay more for a neo, and everyone gets a
headset they might throw into the bin, or everyone pays less for a neo
and those people who need a new headset can buy one.

When you're neo arrived take it to the store.  After showing them how
cool it is, try a few headsets out and buy the one you want.

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Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

[Gilles Casse]

thomasg wrote:

"We all"? At least not me.
There are a bunch of wired headsets, headphones, I never used one of it.
I also haven't ever seen somebody walking around with a wired headset in 
the last 3 years.

Imho that's one of the most useless accesoires that comes with mobiles.
If I want to listen to music, I'll take my good headphones, if I want to 
do a call, I use my bluetooth headset.
I can't see a "most of us" here. Most of us won't need a headset at all, 
some will, and some of them don't want it wired.

So get it yourself if you want to pay for it. I don't.
Why do you need a brand? Just get a headset with a 2.5mm plug, it should 
work.




Hello,
I exclusively use the neo1973 with a headset for voice synthesis feedback.
When I lost the original headset, I bought three other ones elsewhere : 
none of them was compliant with the Neo. Thankfully, I retrieved the 
lost original headset...

Gilles



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Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

[Flemming Richter Mikkelsen]

On 4/18/08, thomasg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "We all"? At least not me.
> There are a bunch of wired headsets, headphones, I never used one of it.
> I also haven't ever seen somebody walking around with a wired headset in
> the last 3 years.
> Imho that's one of the most useless accesoires that comes with mobiles.
> If I want to listen to music, I'll take my good headphones, if I want to
> do a call, I use my bluetooth headset.
> I can't see a "most of us" here. Most of us won't need a headset at all,
> some will, and some of them don't want it wired.
> So get it yourself if you want to pay for it. I don't.
> Why do you need a brand? Just get a headset with a 2.5mm plug, it should
> work.



OK. I was a bit to fast here. Sorry. I should be more careful about what I
write:)
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Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

[thomasg]

"We all"? At least not me.
There are a bunch of wired headsets, headphones, I never used one of it.
I also haven't ever seen somebody walking around with a wired headset in the
last 3 years.
Imho that's one of the most useless accesoires that comes with mobiles.
If I want to listen to music, I'll take my good headphones, if I want to do
a call, I use my bluetooth headset.
I can't see a "most of us" here. Most of us won't need a headset at all,
some will, and some of them don't want it wired.
So get it yourself if you want to pay for it. I don't.
Why do you need a brand? Just get a headset with a 2.5mm plug, it should
work.

On 4/18/08, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 4/18/08, Stroller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 13 Apr 2008, at 17:44, steve wrote:
> >
> > Not sure I understand what you mean by final Inventory.
> > >
> > > The STANDARD box contents will be a Phone and Battery. I expect to add
> > > some
> > > other goodies, but only for the first few thousand buyers.
> > >
> > > Many people have voiced there opinion to me about what EXTRAS they
> > > would
> > > like in the box ...
> > >
> >
> > A headset is ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL to me.
> >
> > I need to be able to talk whilst I drive sometimes.
> >
> > Of course, if you make it an optional accessory I will (reluctantly) pay
> > extra to purchase it, but a headset has been included in my last 3 phone
> > purchases.
>
>
>
>
>
> I agree. We all need a good, wired, stereo handsfree. I don't think
> Openmoko designed their own handsfree. It should be possible to buy it
> somewhere. We just need to know brand/model.
>
> But since most of us will need to buy one anyway, it would be great if it
> was included.
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Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

[joerg]

Am Fr  18. April 2008 schrieb steve:
> It's the first one, michale will detail all of these when he posts his
> getting started web page, complete with pictures, diagrams etc
> 
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> Guillebert
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> Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
> 
> steve wrote:
> >
> > USB cable is in.
> >
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> Sorry to keep that up but I see three kind of potential cables and I'm 
> not sure which one you're talking about :
> 
> - First is male USB A <=> freerunner (USB mini AB, I believe) : it is 
> used for charging and using usb slave functions (usb mass storage...). 
> This one is pretty standard and can be found in every shop. I'm guessing 
> you're talking about this one.
> 
> - The second is a female USB A <=> freerunner. It's used for host mode 
> (for example, plugging a usb key or keyboard to the neo. I've got no 
> idea if it is easy to find that one in a shop.
> 
> - The third one is the famous "Y cable", that is pretty much the same as 
> #2 except it gets an additional male USB A connector in order to provide 
> current to the neo (from any charger) while using host mode.

Plus those notorious 47k ID R, plus 2 x 15K pulldown on data D+ D-. That's the 
*real* magic of the "famous Y-cable" ;-)


> It doesn't  
> seem very straightforward to use (a three-way cable ?) but covers all 
> the cases of cable #2 (hence it is more "universal"). 

Clearly spoken it breaks USB-specs when used without external power source, as 
a replacement for cable #2. The 15k pulldowns shouldn't be there because 
Freerunner is doing the pulldown when powering the USB-jack. So with Y-cable 
you get 7.5k pulldown instead of 15k. Probably no problem, just for the 
record.

> It definitively  
> cannot be found in a shop and I guess this involves a cutter and some 
> dirty electronics to make one.

And a rare 5-pin mini-usb-jack to access the ID-pin :-/ (for the 47k)

> 
> I hope I'm making this clearer, and wonder what we can expect in the 
> final package ?


/jOERG

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Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

[Flemming Richter Mikkelsen]

On 4/18/08, Stroller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On 13 Apr 2008, at 17:44, steve wrote:
>
> Not sure I understand what you mean by final Inventory.
> >
> > The STANDARD box contents will be a Phone and Battery. I expect to add
> > some
> > other goodies, but only for the first few thousand buyers.
> >
> > Many people have voiced there opinion to me about what EXTRAS they would
> > like in the box ...
> >
>
> A headset is ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL to me.
>
> I need to be able to talk whilst I drive sometimes.
>
> Of course, if you make it an optional accessory I will (reluctantly) pay
> extra to purchase it, but a headset has been included in my last 3 phone
> purchases.





I agree. We all need a good, wired, stereo handsfree. I don't think Openmoko
designed their own handsfree. It should be possible to buy it somewhere. We
just need to know brand/model.

But since most of us will need to buy one anyway, it would be great if it
was included.
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Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

[Stroller]

On 13 Apr 2008, at 17:44, steve wrote:


Not sure I understand what you mean by final Inventory.

The STANDARD box contents will be a Phone and Battery. I expect to  
add some

other goodies, but only for the first few thousand buyers.

Many people have voiced there opinion to me about what EXTRAS they  
would

like in the box ...


A headset is ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL to me.

I need to be able to talk whilst I drive sometimes.

Of course, if you make it an optional accessory I will (reluctantly)  
pay extra to purchase it, but a headset has been included in my last  
3 phone purchases.


Stroller.


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Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update (Colours)

[Flemming Richter Mikkelsen]

On 4/18/08, Stroller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On 14 Apr 2008, at 19:09, steve wrote:
>
> > ...
> >  Well I apologize for killing the orange/white model.  When I
> > get to place where I can figure what colors everyone wants and in what
> > ratios, then I can easily add colors.
> >
>
> Yellow & blue!!
>
> Stroller.




White with blue (instead of orange)  :)

Each answer will be unique. Anyway, I think the current one looks great, and
I really want the hardware... the colour on my dev kit is not important to
me:)
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Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update (Colours)

[Stroller]

On 14 Apr 2008, at 19:09, steve wrote:

...
  Well I apologize for killing the orange/white model.  When I
get to place where I can figure what colors everyone wants and in what
ratios, then I can easily add colors.


Yellow & blue!!

Stroller.

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RE: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

[steve]

It's the first one, michale will detail all of these when he posts his
getting started web page, complete with pictures, diagrams etc

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steve wrote:
>
> USB cable is in.
>

Hello all,

Sorry to keep that up but I see three kind of potential cables and I'm 
not sure which one you're talking about :

- First is male USB A <=> freerunner (USB mini AB, I believe) : it is 
used for charging and using usb slave functions (usb mass storage...). 
This one is pretty standard and can be found in every shop. I'm guessing 
you're talking about this one.

- The second is a female USB A <=> freerunner. It's used for host mode 
(for example, plugging a usb key or keyboard to the neo. I've got no 
idea if it is easy to find that one in a shop.

- The third one is the famous "Y cable", that is pretty much the same as 
#2 except it gets an additional male USB A connector in order to provide 
current to the neo (from any charger) while using host mode. It doesn't 
seem very straightforward to use (a three-way cable ?) but covers all 
the cases of cable #2 (hence it is more "universal"). It definitively 
cannot be found in a shop and I guess this involves a cutter and some 
dirty electronics to make one.

I hope I'm making this clearer, and wonder what we can expect in the 
final package ?

Thanks

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RE: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

[steve]

mini usb to USB. 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi.

Is this the mini-usb (on OM side) --> usb (pc side), or the Y usb cable for
usb host?

Ivo

On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 10:43 PM, steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

USB cable is in.

 

 

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My opinion:

+ USB-cable is essentially! I think the nice FreeRunner won't look nice with
a self-made cable...
+ pouch
+ lanyard (this is something Moko-specific like the pouch...)

- no stylus
- no SD-card (1/2 GByte are too small, more are too expensive)
- no headset (some want big ones, others small ones...)

cheers
Sebastian

Am Montag, den 14.04.2008, 16:48 +0200 schrieb Kevin Zuber: 

 
I totally agree with you, Marco!
But I would like to add two important things:
-The Pouch is more important than "needed" for me, it's essential. It
will always be there, when I'm not using it, I also don't want a
"no-name" pouch, because I like that one with the word "openmoko" on it,
because it is simply great! I also like this "neoprene"-outfit.
 
-The MicroSD is less than optional, because here in germany (don't know
about other countries) you get an xxSD card really everywhere for just a
few euros. Another point is, that I can buy that size I want to buy
(depends on the money I would like to spend on it). 
 
Two notices for optional gadgets:
-Lanyard: I don't think one with "openmoko" on it is a standard part,
and I like it :) (I also think it's a really cheap but great part)
 
-Headset: Every ones ears are other ears: small, big... and because of
the standard port every headset should work. I also thought that the
openmoko (GTA01) headset has no mic. Correct me if I'm wrong.
 
Kevin
 
 
Am Montag, den 14.04.2008, 02:35 +0200 schrieb "Marco Trevisan
(Treviño)":
> steve ha scritto:
> > Many people have voiced there opinion to me about what EXTRAS they would
> > like in the box ( most of them legal) so, the team will make a decision.
> > We won't please everybody, but it will be a rational decision, based on
> > cost of the extra goodies, availability, and importance, and your
feedback
> 
> I do think that the needed goodies to have a market-ready device are:
>   - AC Charger (better if "custom")
>   - Headset (with mic?)
>   - Pouch (well, I figure our Freerunner will be there most of the time!)
>   - Stylus
> 
> Optional:
>   - MicroSD
>   - USB Cable
>   - Lanyard
> 
 
 
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RE: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

[steve]

Thanks Lon.

 Good comment. 

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Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

 For quite a while now I've been reading comments from people saying that
this issue or that issue is a "deal breaker". I've been reading hardware
requests and demands that stretch the gambit from quaint and interesting to
just down right silly. If this is the environment in which all FOSS is
developed, it's amazing we have a kernel to run it all on. I'm all about
presenting and discussing ideas. But the making of demands in this
environment is extreme.

 FIC and OM have come up with a hardware platform to meet a predetermined
need and market. If someone thinks some major item is missing, create a
competitor. Fork the hardware.

 In all fairness though, I think calling the release of the CAD files under
appreciated is a little premature. Accessories companies are going to wait
to see what the adoption of this phone will be like.
Then they will make business decisions about risk versus benefit. If the
phone does become "successful", that is moving enough units to make it
profitable for FIC and the accessories makers, we will see the CAD files be
put to use outside of hobbiests.



On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 4:45 PM, Hugo Mills <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 10:07:18AM -0700, steve wrote:
>  > One goal of freeing the CAD , freeing the flesh of the phone, was 
> to enable  > others to seize these opportunities.
>  >
>  > So, the CAD files for the FreeRunner are out there, before it has 
> even  > shipped. I think this decision is  > underappreciated.
>
>From reading this thread, I think you're right.

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RE: Colored cases, etc - Was Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

[steve]

See what you think. The one issue might be that you have to use their design
Package ( a little funky) and I don't recall being able to get an data base
of your
Design files. So, it's a bit sketchy on the open philosophy side of things.
I havent been to their site in couple years, so lets check it out.

I'm headed up tommorrow. I have FreeRunners! 

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I've never used emachineshop, but I will ask around. Perhaps some of my
friends have.

Michael

steve wrote:
> I love emachineshop.
> 
> I thought of approaching them to do some kinda co promotion. Maybe 
> Michael Shiloh can weigh in here.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 9:02 AM
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> Subject: Colored cases, etc - Was Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT 
> update
> 
> For the one off, you could check out http://www.emachineshop.com They 
> do injection molding of various plastics in "many" colors.
> 
> I'm not sure if you could make a profit by having them make a ton of 
> cases and then reselling them or not.
> 
> -Steven
> 
> On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 5:22 AM, Hugo Mills <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Maybe there's someone out there with the know-how to make blank 
>> cases based on the published OM designs? I'd guess it's a matter of 
>> making suitable injection-moulded components -- front and back -- and 
>> then either ringing the changes with the plastic colour used, or just 
>> selling white ones that can then be painted and lacquered.  I have no 
>> idea of the economics of injection moulding, though.
>>
>>Hugo.
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Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

[Kevin Dean]

On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 8:11 PM, Lon Lentz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  For quite a while now I've been reading comments from people saying
>  that this issue or that issue is a "deal breaker". I've been reading
>  hardware requests and demands that stretch the gambit from quaint and
>  interesting to just down right silly. If this is the environment in
>  which all FOSS is developed, it's amazing we have a kernel to run it
>  all on. I'm all about presenting and discussing ideas. But the making
>  of demands in this environment is extreme.

This is the same environment. You'll see the same divide between
"consumers" of software and "developers" of it. Community driven
development and thick skin go hand in hand.

>
>   FIC and OM have come up with a hardware platform to meet a
>  predetermined need and market. If someone thinks some major item is
>  missing, create a competitor. Fork the hardware.

Forking is a bad word in "open source" but it's the lifeblood of a
free market. :) I think the release of the CAD files was a pretty
clear indication that Openmoko wants to see, but doesn't want to be
the burden bearer, of customization and innovation in the hardware and
associated accessories.

There's NOTHING wrong with that. Before starting to look down and say
"You people complain too much" keep in mind that most people "voting
with their $currency" understand what's happening. Openmoko will get
my money without a pink/blue/red/green/cloaking case.

>
>   In all fairness though, I think calling the release of the CAD files
>  under appreciated is a little premature.

I think that's a fair assessment. Very few people really understand
the signifigance of that action. Motorola makes quite a bit of money
around their branded accessories and frankly, they're not always top
quality. The same can be said for many others. Openmoko is doing
hardware and software and community building... Let the community and
the fabricators and the entreprenuers do the accessories. I think
Openmoko has the potential to tap into the "Mac Cult" behavior that
Apple taps, though on a smaller scale at first.

I've already got my "bouncing guy in a spinning circle" windshiled
decals being die-cut, anyone want some? :P

> Accessories companies are
>  going to wait to see what the adoption of this phone will be like.
>  Then they will make business decisions about risk versus benefit. If
>  the phone does become "successful", that is moving enough units to
>  make it profitable for FIC and the accessories makers, we will see the
>  CAD files be put to use outside of hobbiests.

Absolutely. Something I really hope to see is companies like iGo (I
have to admit, I like their products!) adopt the "Openmoko Freerunner
compatible" sticker. For some of these manufacturers they can adopt
and "certify" a brand for a few man-hours and the price of a sticker.
They win as they sell sexy, glowing products and Openmoko wins as free
software based phones are adopted by the marketplace.

>
>
>
>
>  On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 4:45 PM, Hugo Mills <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 10:07:18AM -0700, steve wrote:
>  >  > One goal of freeing the CAD , freeing the flesh of the phone, was to 
> enable
>  >  > others to seize these opportunities.
>  >  >
>  >  > So, the CAD files for the FreeRunner are out there, before it has even
>  >  > shipped. I think this decision is
>  >  > underappreciated.
>  >
>  >From reading this thread, I think you're right.
>
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Re: Colored cases, etc - Was Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

[Shawn Rutledge]

On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 9:02 AM, Steven **
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> For the one off, you could check out http://www.emachineshop.com
>  They do injection molding of various plastics in "many" colors.

Oh that's awesome.  It has been years in coming (they promised it for
a long time).

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Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

[Lon Lentz]

 For quite a while now I've been reading comments from people saying
that this issue or that issue is a "deal breaker". I've been reading
hardware requests and demands that stretch the gambit from quaint and
interesting to just down right silly. If this is the environment in
which all FOSS is developed, it's amazing we have a kernel to run it
all on. I'm all about presenting and discussing ideas. But the making
of demands in this environment is extreme.

 FIC and OM have come up with a hardware platform to meet a
predetermined need and market. If someone thinks some major item is
missing, create a competitor. Fork the hardware.

 In all fairness though, I think calling the release of the CAD files
under appreciated is a little premature. Accessories companies are
going to wait to see what the adoption of this phone will be like.
Then they will make business decisions about risk versus benefit. If
the phone does become "successful", that is moving enough units to
make it profitable for FIC and the accessories makers, we will see the
CAD files be put to use outside of hobbiests.



On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 4:45 PM, Hugo Mills <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 10:07:18AM -0700, steve wrote:
>  > One goal of freeing the CAD , freeing the flesh of the phone, was to enable
>  > others to seize these opportunities.
>  >
>  > So, the CAD files for the FreeRunner are out there, before it has even
>  > shipped. I think this decision is
>  > underappreciated.
>
>From reading this thread, I think you're right.

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Re: Colored cases, etc - Was Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

[Michael Shiloh]

I've never used emachineshop, but I will ask around. Perhaps some of my 
friends have.


Michael

steve wrote:

I love emachineshop.

I thought of approaching them to do some kinda co promotion. Maybe Michael
Shiloh can weigh in here. 


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For the one off, you could check out http://www.emachineshop.com They do
injection molding of various plastics in "many" colors.

I'm not sure if you could make a profit by having them make a ton of cases
and then reselling them or not.

-Steven

On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 5:22 AM, Hugo Mills <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
   Maybe there's someone out there with the know-how to make blank  
cases based on the published OM designs? I'd guess it's a matter of  
making suitable injection-moulded components -- front and back -- and  
then either ringing the changes with the plastic colour used, or just  
selling white ones that can then be painted and lacquered.  I have no  
idea of the economics of injection moulding, though.


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RE: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

[steve]

Go for it. 

Let me know if I can help in any way. Off list. 

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On 16/04/2008, Hugo Mills <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>I have no experience at all in manufacturing -- my closest moment  
> came when I did some work on production scheduling in a flour mill --  
> but I still thought it was worth finding out what it would cost to do  
> it. I doubt that I'll have the capital, drive or time to bring this  
> idea to fruition, but I might as well see what's involved...

Hugo,

I do happen to know a bit about this sort of thing. I know a guy in HK that
owns a tool maker and mold shop in China. I have had a few products that I
have designed made by him, and he is very good. If you have asked UK based
companies this question, I expect you may see a delay as they are all at a
show in Telford this week [1]. The guy in HK will probable be a lot cheaper,
and also quicker with the tooling.
The part prices may be a bit higher to account for the shipping.

Let me know if you want his details off list.

Regards,
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Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

[Philip Stubbs]

On 16/04/2008, Hugo Mills <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>I have no experience at all in manufacturing -- my closest moment
>  came when I did some work on production scheduling in a flour mill --
>  but I still thought it was worth finding out what it would cost to do
>  it. I doubt that I'll have the capital, drive or time to bring this
>  idea to fruition, but I might as well see what's involved...

Hugo,

I do happen to know a bit about this sort of thing. I know a guy in HK
that owns a tool maker and mold shop in China. I have had a few
products that I have designed made by him, and he is very good. If you
have asked UK based companies this question, I expect you may see a
delay as they are all at a show in Telford this week [1]. The guy in
HK will probable be a lot cheaper, and also quicker with the tooling.
The part prices may be a bit higher to account for the shipping.

Let me know if you want his details off list.

Regards,
-- 
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Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

[Hugo Mills]

On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 10:07:18AM -0700, steve wrote:
> One goal of freeing the CAD , freeing the flesh of the phone, was to enable
> others to seize these opportunities.
>  
> So, the CAD files for the FreeRunner are out there, before it has even
> shipped. I think this decision is
> underappreciated.

   From reading this thread, I think you're right.

> The per piece cost of plastic is small.  Go price a pound of plastic. The
> risk is tooling. We reduced that
> by making CAD data open.
> 
> Long LONG ago, you had to pay big set up fees to Print a document. That has
> come down over time.
>  
>  I want to enable a world were you can print parts. Trust me, I am not happy
> when I tell people
> that they cant get pink. If you want pink, you should get pink.  

   I thought exactly the same thing. All these people whinging (sorry
if anyone takes offence, but that's how it came across to me) about
not having different colours, but not realising that *they* could do
their own colours.

   I have no experience at all in manufacturing -- my closest moment
came when I did some work on production scheduling in a flour mill --
but I still thought it was worth finding out what it would cost to do
it. I doubt that I'll have the capital, drive or time to bring this
idea to fruition, but I might as well see what's involved...

> That doesnt entail that I should build pink. I enable people to make it pink
> by publishing CAD files.

   It's much appreciated. Even if I don't know what to do with
it. Yet. :)

> If you think pink, then I'll sell you the electronics that go under those
> pink platistics

   I like either green, or funky patterns. Pink may be a way down the
list if you're buying from carfax.org.uk. :)

>   _  
> 
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Neil Davey
> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 9:18 AM
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> Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
> 
> 
> >From the involvement I've had with injection molding the costs of material
> (ie the plastic) per piece it not very expensive, it's the mold tool that is
> the expensive part.. For one project I'm involved in I think the mold tool
> was something like $10KUSD.. This is a production quality (read high
> quality) tool... I have heard of cheaper tools out of china I think (like a
> few $K), but don't think the quality is as good..

   This is the kind of thing I was expecting -- for even an optimistic
(say) 1000 pieces on that kind of pricing, it'd be, say, $12 apiece
plus P&P (or $22 if it's $10k per mould -- front and back). That's
going to be UKP 6-11, or E 8-14. How much do other phone covers go
for? (I'm not really familiar with this sort of thing).

   Hugo.

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RE: Colored cases, etc - Was Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

[steve]

Well, you actualy have to design the case to allow painting.
 
Paint has THICKNESS. So if you look at the clearence for buttons, you would
have one clearence
for a non painted plastic and a bigger clearence for a painted plastic part.
 
I have made this mistake before, when I wanted to change colors at the last
minute and the painted plastic
parts didnt exactly provide the types of clearences ( etc) that you need.
All that said, there are parts on FR
that could be painted without ruining fit and function.  The back cover,
and front cover
 
The middle part which houses the UBS, ext ant, etc etc, is the part I would
worry about painting, because
of the clearence problem for the connectors and buttons that are brought out
through that plane of the device. 

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Hmm in this goal, why not Openmoko.com to sell "blank" case, non finished
ones, witout any painting, just to be customized/adapted later ?

I don't think only with painting, but integrate an eye cam or other
expansion pack, or wifi external connectors for example...

Even one water proof why not :) 



On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 6:02 PM, Steven **
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<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote:


For the one off, you could check out http://www.emachineshop.com
They do injection molding of various plastics in "many" colors.

I'm not sure if you could make a profit by having them make a ton of
cases and then reselling them or not.

-Steven

On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 5:22 AM, Hugo Mills <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Maybe there's someone out there with the know-how to make blank
>  cases based on the published OM designs? I'd guess it's a matter of
>  making suitable injection-moulded components -- front and back -- and
>  then either ringing the changes with the plastic colour used, or just
>  selling white ones that can then be painted and lacquered.  I have no
>  idea of the economics of injection moulding, though.
>
>Hugo.

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RE: Colored cases, etc - Was Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

[steve]

I love emachineshop.

I thought of approaching them to do some kinda co promotion. Maybe Michael
Shiloh can weigh in here. 

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For the one off, you could check out http://www.emachineshop.com They do
injection molding of various plastics in "many" colors.

I'm not sure if you could make a profit by having them make a ton of cases
and then reselling them or not.

-Steven

On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 5:22 AM, Hugo Mills <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Maybe there's someone out there with the know-how to make blank  
> cases based on the published OM designs? I'd guess it's a matter of  
> making suitable injection-moulded components -- front and back -- and  
> then either ringing the changes with the plastic colour used, or just  
> selling white ones that can then be painted and lacquered.  I have no  
> idea of the economics of injection moulding, though.
>
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RE: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

[steve]

This is EXACTLY why we freed the CAD files 

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On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 06:32:09PM +0200, Peter Kraker wrote:
> Someone with a knack for business should simply grab those CAD files 
> and start manufacturing replacement cases in gazillion different colors.

   I thought the same. So I've picked an injection moulding firm more or
less at random, and asked them about the costs and processes involved --
just to see what it would take to do.

   Hugo.

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Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

[Michele Renda]

steve wrote:
One goal of freeing the CAD , freeing the flesh of the phone, was to 
enable others to seize these opportunities.
So, the CAD files for the FreeRunner are out there, before it has even 
shipped. I think this decision is

underappreciated.
The per piece cost of plastic is small.  Go price a pound of plastic. 
The risk is tooling. We reduced that

by making CAD data open.
Long LONG ago, you had to pay big set up fees to Print a document. 
That has come down over time.
 I want to enable a world were you can print parts. Trust me, I am not 
happy when I tell people

that they cant get pink. If you want pink, you should get pink.
That doesnt entail that I should build pink. I enable people to make 
it pink by publishing CAD files.
If you think pink, then I'll sell you the electronics that go under 
those pink platistics



One of the reasons because I will buy a Freerunner is this openess there 
is in this project. Accondig me it is a so new thing that a lot of 
person don't understand what it mean.

It is a new market, and a realy new street for an hardware producer.

I hope that in the future people will understand the value of this choice :)

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[steve]

One goal of freeing the CAD , freeing the flesh of the phone, was to enable
others to seize these opportunities.
 
So, the CAD files for the FreeRunner are out there, before it has even
shipped. I think this decision is
underappreciated.
 
The per piece cost of plastic is small.  Go price a pound of plastic. The
risk is tooling. We reduced that
by making CAD data open.
 
Long LONG ago, you had to pay big set up fees to Print a document. That has
come down over time.
 
 I want to enable a world were you can print parts. Trust me, I am not happy
when I tell people
that they cant get pink. If you want pink, you should get pink.  
 
That doesnt entail that I should build pink. I enable people to make it pink
by publishing CAD files.
 
If you think pink, then I'll sell you the electronics that go under those
pink platistics
 
 
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>From the involvement I've had with injection molding the costs of material
(ie the plastic) per piece it not very expensive, it's the mold tool that is
the expensive part.. For one project I'm involved in I think the mold tool
was something like $10KUSD.. This is a production quality (read high
quality) tool... I have heard of cheaper tools out of china I think (like a
few $K), but don't think the quality is as good..

Just my 2c

Regards
Neil Davey

Hugo Mills wrote: 

On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 06:32:09PM +0200, Peter Kraker wrote:

  

Someone with a knack for business should simply grab those CAD files and 

start manufacturing replacement cases in gazillion different colors.





   I thought the same. So I've picked an injection moulding firm more

or less at random, and asked them about the costs and processes

involved -- just to see what it would take to do.



   Hugo.



  


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Re: Colored cases, etc - Was Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

[Matt Manjos]

I guess people could get it airbrushed if it was a matte plastic case,
maybe shipped with primer already painted on it.

Seems like a lot of work, but it would really fit well with the whole
customization thing.

Maybe FIC could start selling DIY at-home plastic injection molding kits, too ;)

On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 1:04 PM, Steven Le Roux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hmm in this goal, why not Openmoko.com to sell "blank" case, non finished
> ones, witout any painting, just to be customized/adapted later ?
>
> I don't think only with painting, but integrate an eye cam or other
> expansion pack, or wifi external connectors for example...
>
> Even one water proof why not :)
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 6:02 PM, Steven **
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > For the one off, you could check out http://www.emachineshop.com
> > They do injection molding of various plastics in "many" colors.
> >
> > I'm not sure if you could make a profit by having them make a ton of
> > cases and then reselling them or not.
> >
> > -Steven
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 5:22 AM, Hugo Mills <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >Maybe there's someone out there with the know-how to make blank
> > >  cases based on the published OM designs? I'd guess it's a matter of
> > >  making suitable injection-moulded components -- front and back -- and
> > >  then either ringing the changes with the plastic colour used, or just
> > >  selling white ones that can then be painted and lacquered.  I have no
> > >  idea of the economics of injection moulding, though.
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Re: Colored cases, etc - Was Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

[Steven Le Roux]

Hmm in this goal, why not Openmoko.com to sell "blank" case, non finished
ones, witout any painting, just to be customized/adapted later ?

I don't think only with painting, but integrate an eye cam or other
expansion pack, or wifi external connectors for example...

Even one water proof why not :)


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> For the one off, you could check out http://www.emachineshop.com
> They do injection molding of various plastics in "many" colors.
>
> I'm not sure if you could make a profit by having them make a ton of
> cases and then reselling them or not.
>
> -Steven
>
> On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 5:22 AM, Hugo Mills <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Maybe there's someone out there with the know-how to make blank
> >  cases based on the published OM designs? I'd guess it's a matter of
> >  making suitable injection-moulded components -- front and back -- and
> >  then either ringing the changes with the plastic colour used, or just
> >  selling white ones that can then be painted and lacquered.  I have no
> >  idea of the economics of injection moulding, though.
> >
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[Neil Davey]

>From the involvement I've had with injection molding the costs of
material (ie the plastic) per piece it not very expensive, it's the
mold tool that is the expensive part.. For one project I'm involved in
I think the mold tool was something like $10KUSD.. This is a production
quality (read high quality) tool... I have heard of cheaper tools out
of china I think (like a few $K), but don't think the quality is as
good..

Just my 2c

Regards
Neil Davey

Hugo Mills wrote:

  On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 06:32:09PM +0200, Peter Kraker wrote:
  
  
Someone with a knack for business should simply grab those CAD files and 
start manufacturing replacement cases in gazillion different colors.

  
  
   I thought the same. So I've picked an injection moulding firm more
or less at random, and asked them about the costs and processes
involved -- just to see what it would take to do.

   Hugo.

  
  

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Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

[Lowell Higley]

Spare the case plastics (create an orderable part number) and have a "Trick
out your Neo" contest.  Grand prize?  An autographed photo of the Neo Team!
Or perhaps the remains of a Neo after the "destructive tests".  If I could
buy an extra case for around US$20 to $30, I'd probably give it a whirl.

On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 3:05 AM, David Samblas Martinez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Hey
> there is nothing more dearly than a happy developer
> dancing after a successfull test. :)
>
> Regarding colors, maybe in the massmarket phase being
> able to customice your case as a lot of comercial
> moviles will be a plus to fashion victims ( My female
> work college has his laptop, movile phone and mp3 all
> in hello-kitty pink!!!) but in this stage of the
> process where developers are the target, no matter
> what case neo has, meanwhile it do the job of protect
> their precious inner electronics.
>
> I not agree with the stiker solutions because is
> matter of time than the stiker become ugly rubbished
> and the hole phone become  stiky.
>
> The paint-it-yourself solution if you find a
> combination of case material//markers really permanet
> will be an original and great feature. sure there are
> some aerograph artist within us than can make very
> cool designs.
>
>
>
>
> --- ramsesoriginal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> escribió:
>
> > On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 11:49 PM, steve
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >  what you guys actually want to see me dance?
> >
> > Oh hm... YES! xD
> >
> > and also some of my female (and even male) friends
> > asked about
> > coloring: the preferred ones:
> > -red
> > -pink (yes, really)
> > -blue
> > -kiwi-green
> >
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[Steven **]

For the one off, you could check out http://www.emachineshop.com
They do injection molding of various plastics in "many" colors.

I'm not sure if you could make a profit by having them make a ton of
cases and then reselling them or not.

-Steven

On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 5:22 AM, Hugo Mills <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Maybe there's someone out there with the know-how to make blank
>  cases based on the published OM designs? I'd guess it's a matter of
>  making suitable injection-moulded components -- front and back -- and
>  then either ringing the changes with the plastic colour used, or just
>  selling white ones that can then be painted and lacquered.  I have no
>  idea of the economics of injection moulding, though.
>
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[Hugo Mills]

On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 06:32:09PM +0200, Peter Kraker wrote:
> Someone with a knack for business should simply grab those CAD files and 
> start manufacturing replacement cases in gazillion different colors.

   I thought the same. So I've picked an injection moulding firm more
or less at random, and asked them about the costs and processes
involved -- just to see what it would take to do.

   Hugo.

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Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

[Peter Kraker]

Someone with a knack for business should simply grab those CAD files and 
start manufacturing replacement cases in gazillion different colors.


Bastian Muck pravi:
What about colored stickers? I think it could be cheap to design and 
cut them to fit at the neo. I guess this could be a solution to many 
whishes for special colors. But this feature could be sold by a 
thirdparty-shop. And I guess, that it would be early enough to sell 
them when the massproduction begins. There wont be many female 
developers i think.


ramsesoriginal schrieb:
| On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 11:49 PM, steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
|>
|>  what you guys actually want to see me dance?
|
| Oh hm... YES! xD
|
| and also some of my female (and even male) friends asked about
| coloring: the preferred ones:
| -red
| -pink (yes, really)
| -blue
| -kiwi-green
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[Hugo Mills]

On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 12:05:10PM +0200, David Samblas Martinez wrote:
> Regarding colors, maybe in the massmarket phase being
> able to customice your case as a lot of comercial
> moviles will be a plus to fashion victims ( My female
> work college has his laptop, movile phone and mp3 all
> in hello-kitty pink!!!) but in this stage of the
> process where developers are the target, no matter
> what case neo has, meanwhile it do the job of protect
> their precious inner electronics.
> 
> I not agree with the stiker solutions because is
> matter of time than the stiker become ugly rubbished
> and the hole phone become  stiky.
> 
> The paint-it-yourself solution if you find a
> combination of case material//markers really permanet
> will be an original and great feature. sure there are
> some aerograph artist within us than can make very
> cool designs.

   Maybe there's someone out there with the know-how to make blank
cases based on the published OM designs? I'd guess it's a matter of
making suitable injection-moulded components -- front and back -- and
then either ringing the changes with the plastic colour used, or just
selling white ones that can then be painted and lacquered.  I have no
idea of the economics of injection moulding, though.

   Hugo.

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[David Samblas Martinez]

Hey 
there is nothing more dearly than a happy developer
dancing after a successfull test. :)

Regarding colors, maybe in the massmarket phase being
able to customice your case as a lot of comercial
moviles will be a plus to fashion victims ( My female
work college has his laptop, movile phone and mp3 all
in hello-kitty pink!!!) but in this stage of the
process where developers are the target, no matter
what case neo has, meanwhile it do the job of protect
their precious inner electronics.

I not agree with the stiker solutions because is
matter of time than the stiker become ugly rubbished
and the hole phone become  stiky.

The paint-it-yourself solution if you find a
combination of case material//markers really permanet
will be an original and great feature. sure there are
some aerograph artist within us than can make very
cool designs.

 

 
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escribió:

> On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 11:49 PM, steve
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >  what you guys actually want to see me dance?
> 
> Oh hm... YES! xD
> 
> and also some of my female (and even male) friends
> asked about
> coloring: the preferred ones:
> -red
> -pink (yes, really)
> -blue
> -kiwi-green
> 
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Re: PVT Update.

[Federico Lorenzi]

Maybe if we send Steve a blender... :)

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> > Yes, but will it blend?
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On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 4:17 AM, Mark Arvidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Yes, but will it blend?
>

Ahah :)

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Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

[Kosa]

Here's a youtube link to wich I belive is the same vid (could not see  
the one on natgeo web 'couse a lack of plugin for firefox on my mac)


http://youtube.com/watch?v=5oExwxkuT_c

Amaizing!!!

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On 15/04/2008, at 08:15 p.m., steve wrote:


Need to figure out how  Cyanea Octopus does it

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070209-octopus-video.html



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My daughter is sitting right next to me and says yes, she absolutely  
wants
one in pink. She also wants one multicolored. See, the white-and- 
markers

idea isn't such a bad one, eh?

Michael

Bastian Muck wrote:

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Has somebody eaten a clown this morning at breakfast? ;-)

Of course noone really wants a pink freerunner, does someone?

steve schrieb:
| When I did my first MP3 in Aluminum I ran out and had it anodized  
gold!
| I was lucky to find a place that was set up to do gold. Most are  
set

| up for clear, black, red and blue. Guy didn't even charge me.
|
|
|
|
| -Original Message-
| From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael
| Shiloh
| Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 1:33 PM
| To: List for Openmoko community discussion
| Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
|
| My daughter requests pink.
|
| Maybe the only one.
|
| I suggest we make them all white and include a pack of magic
| markers, so you can color them any color you wish, or decorate to
| your heart's
content.
|
| Half jokingly,
| Michael
|
| steve wrote:
|> Ok,
|>
|>   Well I apologize for killing the orange/white model.  When I get
|> to place where I can figure what colors everyone wants and in what
|> ratios, then I can easily add colors. For now, folks are focused  
on

|> the innards and not the cosmetics.
|>
|>  |>
|>
|> -Original Message-
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|> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ian
|> douglas
|> Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:38 PM
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|> Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
|>
|> Robin Paulson wrote:
|>> 2008/4/14 Dirk Deimeke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
|>>>  I also would like to have - may be separately:
|>>>  - Stylus
|>> personally, i'd want:
|>> *a modified charger (if one is made) *a pouch included, and  
that's

|>> it
|>
|> I think for a phone that's heavily touch-based, a stylus is a

must-have.

|> Doesn't even need to be the fancy one that shipped with the Neo
|> (and I'm sad I can't buy another orange/white model like my GTA01
|> was but oh well), but include *something*.
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RE: Happy dance (Was FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update)

[David Samblas Martinez]

Well I hope you do only the celebration part of the video and those black 
things hited by the sticks are not neos 

steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: The Happy dance   

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypnlOJjC368

 

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I wanna see a video of that happy dance xD
--- steve  escribió:

> I think Michael and I were supposed to test the 8GB version.
> Actually Michael tests and I say wow and great and then do the happy 
> dance.
> 
> He'll be back soon. We will revert on this. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of "Marco 
> Trevisan (Treviño)"
> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 4:30 AM
> To: community@lists.openmoko.org
> Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
> 
> Ivo Anjo wrote:
> > Finally, the miniSD card, DEFINITELY leave it off,
> unless you get a
> > really really really good deal, because you can
> buy very high-capacity
> > nowadays, so it doesn't make much sense to pay for
> 512mb or such on the
> > neo, and then buy a multi-gb one (I am definitely
> getting one of those
> > myself).
> 
> I agree, I'll buy one soon too, but what's the maximum capacity 
> actually supported (I've seen the wiki, but there are no so much 
> tests)? I'd like to buy an 8Gb Mini-SD card...
> 
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Re: PVT Update.

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Yes, but will it blend?
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RE: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

[steve]

 Need to figure out how  Cyanea Octopus does it

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070209-octopus-video.html 

 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Shiloh
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 5:23 PM
To: List for Openmoko community discussion
Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

My daughter is sitting right next to me and says yes, she absolutely wants
one in pink. She also wants one multicolored. See, the white-and-markers
idea isn't such a bad one, eh?

Michael

Bastian Muck wrote:
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> Has somebody eaten a clown this morning at breakfast? ;-)
> 
> Of course noone really wants a pink freerunner, does someone?
> 
> steve schrieb:
> | When I did my first MP3 in Aluminum I ran out and had it anodized gold!
> | I was lucky to find a place that was set up to do gold. Most are set 
> | up for clear, black, red and blue. Guy didn't even charge me.
> |
> |
> |
> |
> | -Original Message-
> | From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> | [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael 
> | Shiloh
> | Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 1:33 PM
> | To: List for Openmoko community discussion
> | Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
> |
> | My daughter requests pink.
> |
> | Maybe the only one.
> |
> | I suggest we make them all white and include a pack of magic 
> | markers, so you can color them any color you wish, or decorate to 
> | your heart's
> content.
> |
> | Half jokingly,
> | Michael
> |
> | steve wrote:
> |> Ok,
> |>
> |>   Well I apologize for killing the orange/white model.  When I get 
> |> to place where I can figure what colors everyone wants and in what 
> |> ratios, then I can easily add colors. For now, folks are focused on 
> |> the innards and not the cosmetics.
> |>
> |>  |>
> |>
> |> -Original Message-
> |> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> |> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ian 
> |> douglas
> |> Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:38 PM
> |> To: List for Openmoko community discussion
> |> Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
> |>
> |> Robin Paulson wrote:
> |>> 2008/4/14 Dirk Deimeke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> |>>>  I also would like to have - may be separately:
> |>>>  - Stylus
> |>> personally, i'd want:
> |>> *a modified charger (if one is made) *a pouch included, and that's 
> |>> it
> |>
> |> I think for a phone that's heavily touch-based, a stylus is a
must-have.
> |> Doesn't even need to be the fancy one that shipped with the Neo 
> |> (and I'm sad I can't buy another orange/white model like my GTA01 
> |> was but oh well), but include *something*.
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Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

[Michael Shiloh]

My daughter is sitting right next to me and says yes, she absolutely 
wants one in pink. She also wants one multicolored. See, the 
white-and-markers idea isn't such a bad one, eh?


Michael

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Has somebody eaten a clown this morning at breakfast? ;-)

Of course noone really wants a pink freerunner, does someone?

steve schrieb:
| When I did my first MP3 in Aluminum I ran out and had it anodized gold!
| I was lucky to find a place that was set up to do gold. Most
| are set up for clear, black, red and blue. Guy didn't even charge me.
|
|
|
|
| -Original Message-
| From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Shiloh
| Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 1:33 PM
| To: List for Openmoko community discussion
| Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
|
| My daughter requests pink.
|
| Maybe the only one.
|
| I suggest we make them all white and include a pack of magic markers, so
| you can color them any color you wish, or decorate to your heart's 
content.

|
| Half jokingly,
| Michael
|
| steve wrote:
|> Ok,
|>
|>   Well I apologize for killing the orange/white model.  When I
|> get to place where I can figure what colors everyone wants and in what
|> ratios, then I can easily add colors. For now, folks are focused on the
|> innards and not the cosmetics.
|>
|>  |>
|>
|> -Original Message-
|> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ian douglas
|> Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:38 PM
|> To: List for Openmoko community discussion
|> Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
|>
|> Robin Paulson wrote:
|>> 2008/4/14 Dirk Deimeke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
|>>>  I also would like to have - may be separately:
|>>>  - Stylus
|>> personally, i'd want:
|>> *a modified charger (if one is made)
|>> *a pouch
|>> included, and that's it
|>
|> I think for a phone that's heavily touch-based, a stylus is a must-have.
|> Doesn't even need to be the fancy one that shipped with the Neo (and I'm
|> sad I can't buy another orange/white model like my GTA01 was but oh
|> well), but include *something*.
|>
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Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

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What about colored stickers? I think it could be cheap to design and cut 
them to fit at the neo. I guess this could be a solution to many whishes 
for special colors. But this feature could be sold by a thirdparty-shop. 
And I guess, that it would be early enough to sell them when the 
massproduction begins. There wont be many female developers i think.


ramsesoriginal schrieb:
| On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 11:49 PM, steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
|>
|>  what you guys actually want to see me dance?
|
| Oh hm... YES! xD
|
| and also some of my female (and even male) friends asked about
| coloring: the preferred ones:
| -red
| -pink (yes, really)
| -blue
| -kiwi-green
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RE: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

[steve]

Ole.

 Let's do a thought experiment

 I'll sell you all the red phones you care to buy at a deep discount.
 In fact, I will promise never to sell a RedRunner and let you have
 all of the red phone market.

 How many would you buy? 

 Today, they like red, yesterday it was pink, Tuesday will be herringbone.
That is fashion.
Skirts go up. They come down.

 Nothing wrong with that!

  But for now We are choosing a different path. 
 

  

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ole Tange
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 2:03 PM
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On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 6:29 AM, Kosa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Has somebody eaten a clown this morning at breakfast? ;-)
> >
> > Of course noone really wants a pink freerunner, does someone?
>
> I do! :D (just kidding)

I recently was at a dinner with former colleagues. The subject turned to
OpenMoko and mobile phones. I asked my female former colleague what her
killer feature would be. Without hesitation she said: It has to be red. That
was the ONLY requirement.

When I told the story to my girl friend she said: "Can I get one in red,
too?"

Neither of them cared about about the size of,the phone (which I personally
find a big too large), as they were going to carry it in their bag.

I think we seriously underestimate that 50% of the population is female. If
painting it red can raise the sales, I would say, go for it.


/Ole

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Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

[ramsesoriginal]

On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 11:49 PM, steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>  what you guys actually want to see me dance?

Oh hm... YES! xD

and also some of my female (and even male) friends asked about
coloring: the preferred ones:
-red
-pink (yes, really)
-blue
-kiwi-green

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RE: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

[steve]

 what you guys actually want to see me dance?

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alexander
Frøyseth
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wtf?
This is an hocky movie

steve skrev: 

The Happy dance   



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypnlOJjC368



 



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 6:17 AM

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I wanna see a video of that happy dance xD

--- steve  <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió:



  

I think Michael and I were supposed to test the 8GB version.

Actually Michael tests and I say wow and great and then do the happy 

dance.



He'll be back soon. We will revert on this. 



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Trevisan (Treviño)"

Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 4:30 AM

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Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update



Ivo Anjo wrote:



Finally, the miniSD card, DEFINITELY leave it off,

  

unless you get a



really really really good deal, because you can

  

buy very high-capacity



nowadays, so it doesn't make much sense to pay for

  

512mb or such on the



neo, and then buy a multi-gb one (I am definitely

  

getting one of those



myself).

  

I agree, I'll buy one soon too, but what's the maximum capacity 

actually supported (I've seen the wiki, but there are no so much 

tests)? I'd like to buy an 8Gb Mini-SD card...



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Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

[Ole Tange]

On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 6:29 AM, Kosa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Has somebody eaten a clown this morning at breakfast? ;-)
> >
> > Of course noone really wants a pink freerunner, does someone?
>
> I do! :D (just kidding)

I recently was at a dinner with former colleagues. The subject turned
to OpenMoko and mobile phones. I asked my female former colleague what
her killer feature would be. Without hesitation she said: It has to be
red. That was the ONLY requirement.

When I told the story to my girl friend she said: "Can I get one in red, too?"

Neither of them cared about about the size of,the phone (which I
personally find a big too large), as they were going to carry it in
their bag.

I think we seriously underestimate that 50% of the population is
female. If painting it red can raise the sales, I would say, go for
it.


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Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

[Vincent]

On 4/15/08, steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The Happy dance
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypnlOJjC368
>
>
>
Stop that, I've been Rick Rolled enough these days... :P
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RE: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

[steve]

In a harlequin pattern no doubt. 

-Original Message-
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I do! Well, actually I probably won't get a Freerunner as I have a
1973 and limited amounts of money. However, I'd like my next phone to be in
black with pink parts. B) Even more appreciated would be lime green and pink
but I'm probably the only person in the world who wants that...

Ortwin

On 4/15/08, Bastian Muck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Has somebody eaten a clown this morning at breakfast? ;-)
>
> Of course noone really wants a pink freerunner, does someone?
>
> steve schrieb:
> | When I did my first MP3 in Aluminum I ran out and had it anodized gold!
> | I was lucky to find a place that was set up to do gold. Most are set 
> | up for clear, black, red and blue. Guy didn't even charge me.
> |
> |
> |
> |
> | -Original Message-
> | From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> | [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael 
> | Shiloh
> | Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 1:33 PM
> | To: List for Openmoko community discussion
> | Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
> |
> | My daughter requests pink.
> |
> | Maybe the only one.
> |
> | I suggest we make them all white and include a pack of magic 
> | markers, so you can color them any color you wish, or decorate to 
> | your heart's
> content.
> |
> | Half jokingly,
> | Michael
> |
> | steve wrote:
> |> Ok,
> |>
> |>   Well I apologize for killing the orange/white model.  When I get 
> |> to place where I can figure what colors everyone wants and in what 
> |> ratios, then I can easily add colors. For now, folks are focused on 
> |> the innards and not the cosmetics.
> |>
> |>
> |>
> |>
> |> -Original Message-
> |> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> |> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ian 
> |> douglas
> |> Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:38 PM
> |> To: List for Openmoko community discussion
> |> Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
> |>
> |> Robin Paulson wrote:
> |>> 2008/4/14 Dirk Deimeke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> |>>>  I also would like to have - may be separately:
> |>>>  - Stylus
> |>> personally, i'd want:
> |>> *a modified charger (if one is made) *a pouch included, and that's 
> |>> it
> |>
> |> I think for a phone that's heavily touch-based, a stylus is a
must-have.
> |> Doesn't even need to be the fancy one that shipped with the Neo 
> |> (and I'm sad I can't buy another orange/white model like my GTA01 
> |> was but oh well), but include *something*.
> |>
> |> -id
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Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

[Alexander Frøyseth]

wtf?
This is an hocky movie

steve skrev:
The Happy dance   


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypnlOJjC368

 


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I wanna see a video of that happy dance xD
--- steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió:

  

I think Michael and I were supposed to test the 8GB version.
Actually Michael tests and I say wow and great and then do the happy 
dance.


He'll be back soon. We will revert on this. 


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Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 4:30 AM
To: community@lists.openmoko.org
Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

Ivo Anjo wrote:


Finally, the miniSD card, DEFINITELY leave it off,
  

unless you get a


really really really good deal, because you can
  

buy very high-capacity


nowadays, so it doesn't make much sense to pay for
  

512mb or such on the


neo, and then buy a multi-gb one (I am definitely
  

getting one of those


myself).
  
I agree, I'll buy one soon too, but what's the maximum capacity 
actually supported (I've seen the wiki, but there are no so much 
tests)? I'd like to buy an 8Gb Mini-SD card...


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RE: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

[steve]

The Happy dance   

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypnlOJjC368

 

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Subject: RE: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

I wanna see a video of that happy dance xD
--- steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió:

> I think Michael and I were supposed to test the 8GB version.
> Actually Michael tests and I say wow and great and then do the happy 
> dance.
> 
> He'll be back soon. We will revert on this. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of "Marco 
> Trevisan (Treviño)"
> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 4:30 AM
> To: community@lists.openmoko.org
> Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
> 
> Ivo Anjo wrote:
> > Finally, the miniSD card, DEFINITELY leave it off,
> unless you get a
> > really really really good deal, because you can
> buy very high-capacity
> > nowadays, so it doesn't make much sense to pay for
> 512mb or such on the
> > neo, and then buy a multi-gb one (I am definitely
> getting one of those
> > myself).
> 
> I agree, I'll buy one soon too, but what's the maximum capacity 
> actually supported (I've seen the wiki, but there are no so much 
> tests)? I'd like to buy an 8Gb Mini-SD card...
> 
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RE: PVT Update.

[steve]

It's gallows humor. If you have ever watched your hard work
Undergo destructive test, you don't know whether to laugh or cry. So, you
try to do a little of both.

I've asked that we do some kind of video when we go to Mass Pro. I never
thought of doing a 
Video of  destructive test, but I think it's a cool idea.  

 

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Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 6:08 AM
To: List for Openmoko community discussion
Subject: Re: PVT Update.

Calling it a snuff video is a little disturbing, but I too would like to see
some "behind the scenes" videos of production. I guess that in the end, one
electronics fabrication plant is just like every other plant, but some
testing videos would be cool to see.

On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 5:08 AM, James Olney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> maybe mokoninja could get behind the scenes and snap some pics or vids..
>
>
>
>  On 15/04/2008, nickd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > hi first post :) i don't suppose as part of the open nature of the  
> > production that the few sick people (myself included) in the 
> community could  > see possibly some videos of the testing? namely the 
> destructive tests? i've  > learnt how to use technology by breaking it 
> and would like to see the snuf  > videos if possible  >  >  -nick  >  
> >  >  steve wrote:
>  >
>  > > ya, I was telling somebody earlier I worked on an experimental  > 
> > plane for 5 years: we built 2. 500 Million per copy.
>  > > we flew them for a little while. Then they took one.
>  > > Shook it to bits; broke its back; and tore its wings off.
>  > > bastards.
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > -Original Message-
>  > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf  > Of 
> Ortwin Regel  > > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 11:55 AM  > > To: List 
> for Openmoko community discussion  > > Subject: Re: PVT Update.
>  > >
>  > > The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
>  > > Still, poor Freerunners... :'(
>  > >
>  > > On 4/14/08, Michele Renda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > > One minute of silence for the dead freerunner, death to ensure 
> a product  > > > free of defects :)  > > >  > > > 2008/4/14, steve 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > > >  The last of DVT testing is I think complete. These are 
> destructive  > > > > tests.
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RE: PVT Update.

[steve]

 Ha,

   I've talked to Ninja about doing a Vid of the first production build.
   The destructive test would also be a kewl thing.

   

 

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Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 2:08 AM
To: List for Openmoko community discussion
Subject: Re: PVT Update.

maybe mokoninja could get behind the scenes and snap some pics or vids..

On 15/04/2008, nickd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> hi first post :) i don't suppose as part of the open nature of the 
> production that the few sick people (myself included) in the community 
> could see possibly some videos of the testing? namely the destructive 
> tests? i've learnt how to use technology by breaking it and would like 
> to see the snuf videos if possible
>
>  -nick
>
>
>  steve wrote:
>
> > ya, I was telling somebody earlier I worked on an experimental plane 
> > for 5 years: we built 2. 500 Million per copy.
> > we flew them for a little while. Then they took one.
> > Shook it to bits; broke its back; and tore its wings off.
> > bastards.
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Ortwin Regel
> > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 11:55 AM
> > To: List for Openmoko community discussion
> > Subject: Re: PVT Update.
> >
> > The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
> > Still, poor Freerunners... :'(
> >
> > On 4/14/08, Michele Renda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > One minute of silence for the dead freerunner, death to ensure a 
> > > product free of defects :)
> > >
> > > 2008/4/14, steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > >
> > >
> > > >  The last of DVT testing is I think complete. These are 
> > > > destructive tests.
> > > > Where we try to break the phone.
> > > >
> > > >
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Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

[Ortwin Regel]

I do! Well, actually I probably won't get a Freerunner as I have a
1973 and limited amounts of money. However, I'd like my next phone to
be in black with pink parts. B) Even more appreciated would be lime
green and pink but I'm probably the only person in the world who wants
that...

Ortwin

On 4/15/08, Bastian Muck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Has somebody eaten a clown this morning at breakfast? ;-)
>
> Of course noone really wants a pink freerunner, does someone?
>
> steve schrieb:
> | When I did my first MP3 in Aluminum I ran out and had it anodized gold!
> | I was lucky to find a place that was set up to do gold. Most
> | are set up for clear, black, red and blue. Guy didn't even charge me.
> |
> |
> |
> |
> | -Original Message-
> | From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> | [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Shiloh
> | Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 1:33 PM
> | To: List for Openmoko community discussion
> | Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
> |
> | My daughter requests pink.
> |
> | Maybe the only one.
> |
> | I suggest we make them all white and include a pack of magic markers, so
> | you can color them any color you wish, or decorate to your heart's
> content.
> |
> | Half jokingly,
> | Michael
> |
> | steve wrote:
> |> Ok,
> |>
> |>   Well I apologize for killing the orange/white model.  When I
> |> get to place where I can figure what colors everyone wants and in what
> |> ratios, then I can easily add colors. For now, folks are focused on the
> |> innards and not the cosmetics.
> |>
> |>
> |>
> |>
> |> -Original Message-
> |> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> |> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ian douglas
> |> Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:38 PM
> |> To: List for Openmoko community discussion
> |> Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
> |>
> |> Robin Paulson wrote:
> |>> 2008/4/14 Dirk Deimeke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> |>>>  I also would like to have - may be separately:
> |>>>  - Stylus
> |>> personally, i'd want:
> |>> *a modified charger (if one is made)
> |>> *a pouch
> |>> included, and that's it
> |>
> |> I think for a phone that's heavily touch-based, a stylus is a must-have.
> |> Doesn't even need to be the fancy one that shipped with the Neo (and I'm
> |> sad I can't buy another orange/white model like my GTA01 was but oh
> |> well), but include *something*.
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Re: PVT Update.

[Tim Shannon]

Yeah, I'm up for any new content, especially on the freerunner.  Everything
I've seen online is of the 1973, and I'd like to see what kind of
performance difference there is.

On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 8:08 AM, Matt Manjos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Calling it a snuff video is a little disturbing, but I too would like
> to see some "behind the scenes" videos of production. I guess that in
> the end, one electronics fabrication plant is just like every other
> plant, but some testing videos would be cool to see.
>
> On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 5:08 AM, James Olney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > maybe mokoninja could get behind the scenes and snap some pics or vids..
> >
> >
> >
> >  On 15/04/2008, nickd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >  > hi first post :) i don't suppose as part of the open nature of the
> >  > production that the few sick people (myself included) in the
> community could
> >  > see possibly some videos of the testing? namely the destructive
> tests? i've
> >  > learnt how to use technology by breaking it and would like to see the
> snuf
> >  > videos if possible
> >  >
> >  >  -nick
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >  steve wrote:
> >  >
> >  > > ya, I was telling somebody earlier I worked on an experimental
> >  > > plane for 5 years: we built 2. 500 Million per copy.
> >  > > we flew them for a little while. Then they took one.
> >  > > Shook it to bits; broke its back; and tore its wings off.
> >  > > bastards.
> >  > >
> >  > >
> >  > > -Original Message-
> >  > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >  > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> >  > Of Ortwin Regel
> >  > > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 11:55 AM
> >  > > To: List for Openmoko community discussion
> >  > > Subject: Re: PVT Update.
> >  > >
> >  > > The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
> >  > > Still, poor Freerunners... :'(
> >  > >
> >  > > On 4/14/08, Michele Renda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >  > >
> >  > >
> >  > > > One minute of silence for the dead freerunner, death to ensure a
> product
> >  > > > free of defects :)
> >  > > >
> >  > > > 2008/4/14, steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >  > > >
> >  > > >
> >  > > > >  The last of DVT testing is I think complete. These are
> destructive
> >  > > > > tests.
> >  > > > > Where we try to break the phone.
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RE: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

[David Samblas Martinez]

I wanna see a video of that happy dance xD
--- steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió:

> I think Michael and I were supposed to test the 8GB
> version.
> Actually Michael tests and I say wow and great and
> then do the happy dance.
> 
> He'll be back soon. We will revert on this. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of "Marco Trevisan
> (Treviño)"
> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 4:30 AM
> To: community@lists.openmoko.org
> Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
> 
> Ivo Anjo wrote:
> > Finally, the miniSD card, DEFINITELY leave it off,
> unless you get a 
> > really really really good deal, because you can
> buy very high-capacity 
> > nowadays, so it doesn't make much sense to pay for
> 512mb or such on the 
> > neo, and then buy a multi-gb one (I am definitely
> getting one of those 
> > myself).
> 
> I agree, I'll buy one soon too, but what's the
> maximum capacity actually 
> supported (I've seen the wiki, but there are no so
> much tests)? I'd like 
> to buy an 8Gb Mini-SD card...
> 
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Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

[Matt Manjos]

The Openmoko Freerunner: MacGyver Edition

On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 1:21 AM, clare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  The pouch is very nice and closes securely with its drawstring.
>  Inside it I put a piece of vinyl floor tile; and face the Neo1973
>  screen to the tile, so that sharp or hard items in my bag with it are
>  less likely to do any damage. There is room for the battery and the
>  stylus which is homemade and tied to the phone.
>  THe lanyard I did not like as the slipring fastener came undone
>  unexpectedly; that is unsafe. I have replaced it with a piece of
>  cord tied with a fisherman's knot which tightens if the main cord
>  is pulled but is easily undone by pulling the end pieces.
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Re: PVT Update.

[Matt Manjos]

Calling it a snuff video is a little disturbing, but I too would like
to see some "behind the scenes" videos of production. I guess that in
the end, one electronics fabrication plant is just like every other
plant, but some testing videos would be cool to see.

On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 5:08 AM, James Olney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> maybe mokoninja could get behind the scenes and snap some pics or vids..
>
>
>
>  On 15/04/2008, nickd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > hi first post :) i don't suppose as part of the open nature of the
>  > production that the few sick people (myself included) in the community 
> could
>  > see possibly some videos of the testing? namely the destructive tests? i've
>  > learnt how to use technology by breaking it and would like to see the snuf
>  > videos if possible
>  >
>  >  -nick
>  >
>  >
>  >  steve wrote:
>  >
>  > > ya, I was telling somebody earlier I worked on an experimental
>  > > plane for 5 years: we built 2. 500 Million per copy.
>  > > we flew them for a little while. Then they took one.
>  > > Shook it to bits; broke its back; and tore its wings off.
>  > > bastards.
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > -Original Message-
>  > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
>  > Of Ortwin Regel
>  > > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 11:55 AM
>  > > To: List for Openmoko community discussion
>  > > Subject: Re: PVT Update.
>  > >
>  > > The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
>  > > Still, poor Freerunners... :'(
>  > >
>  > > On 4/14/08, Michele Renda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > > One minute of silence for the dead freerunner, death to ensure a 
> product
>  > > > free of defects :)
>  > > >
>  > > > 2008/4/14, steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > > >  The last of DVT testing is I think complete. These are destructive
>  > > > > tests.
>  > > > > Where we try to break the phone.
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Re: RE: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

[sebbil]

A "normal" USB cable or a cable for connecting devices to the moko?

 Original-Nachricht 
> Datum: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:43:52 -0700
> Von: "steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> An: "\'List for Openmoko community discussion\'" 
> 
> Betreff: RE: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

> USB cable is in.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>   _  
> 
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sebastian
> Billaudelle
> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 8:41 AM
> To: List for Openmoko community discussion
> Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
> 
>  
> 
> My opinion:
> 
> + USB-cable is essentially! I think the nice FreeRunner won't look nice
> with
> a self-made cable...
> + pouch
> + lanyard (this is something Moko-specific like the pouch...)
> 
> - no stylus
> - no SD-card (1/2 GByte are too small, more are too expensive)
> - no headset (some want big ones, others small ones...)
> 
> cheers
> Sebastian
> 
> Am Montag, den 14.04.2008, 16:48 +0200 schrieb Kevin Zuber: 
> 
>  
> I totally agree with you, Marco!
> But I would like to add two important things:
> -The Pouch is more important than "needed" for me, it's essential. It
> will always be there, when I'm not using it, I also don't want a
> "no-name" pouch, because I like that one with the word "openmoko" on it,
> because it is simply great! I also like this "neoprene"-outfit.
>  
> -The MicroSD is less than optional, because here in germany (don't know
> about other countries) you get an xxSD card really everywhere for just a
> few euros. Another point is, that I can buy that size I want to buy
> (depends on the money I would like to spend on it). 
>  
> Two notices for optional gadgets:
> -Lanyard: I don't think one with "openmoko" on it is a standard part,
> and I like it :) (I also think it's a really cheap but great part)
>  
> -Headset: Every ones ears are other ears: small, big... and because of
> the standard port every headset should work. I also thought that the
> openmoko (GTA01) headset has no mic. Correct me if I'm wrong.
>  
> Kevin
>  
>  
> Am Montag, den 14.04.2008, 02:35 +0200 schrieb "Marco Trevisan
> (Treviño)":
> > steve ha scritto:
> > > Many people have voiced there opinion to me about what EXTRAS they
> would
> > > like in the box ( most of them legal) so, the team will make a
> decision.
> > > We won't please everybody, but it will be a rational decision, based
> on
> > > cost of the extra goodies, availability, and importance, and your
> feedback
> > 
> > I do think that the needed goodies to have a market-ready device are:
> >   - AC Charger (better if "custom")
> >   - Headset (with mic?)
> >   - Pouch (well, I figure our Freerunner will be there most of the
> time!)
> >   - Stylus
> > 
> > Optional:
> >   - MicroSD
> >   - USB Cable
> >   - Lanyard
> > 
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Re: PVT Update.

[James Olney]

maybe mokoninja could get behind the scenes and snap some pics or vids..

On 15/04/2008, nickd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> hi first post :) i don't suppose as part of the open nature of the
> production that the few sick people (myself included) in the community could
> see possibly some videos of the testing? namely the destructive tests? i've
> learnt how to use technology by breaking it and would like to see the snuf
> videos if possible
>
>  -nick
>
>
>  steve wrote:
>
> > ya, I was telling somebody earlier I worked on an experimental
> > plane for 5 years: we built 2. 500 Million per copy.
> > we flew them for a little while. Then they took one.
> > Shook it to bits; broke its back; and tore its wings off.
> > bastards.
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
> Of Ortwin Regel
> > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 11:55 AM
> > To: List for Openmoko community discussion
> > Subject: Re: PVT Update.
> >
> > The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
> > Still, poor Freerunners... :'(
> >
> > On 4/14/08, Michele Renda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > One minute of silence for the dead freerunner, death to ensure a product
> > > free of defects :)
> > >
> > > 2008/4/14, steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > >
> > >
> > > >  The last of DVT testing is I think complete. These are destructive
> > > > tests.
> > > > Where we try to break the phone.
> > > >
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Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

[Andy Green]

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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
| Hi.
|
| Is this the mini-usb (on OM side) --> usb (pc side), or the Y usb cable
| for usb host?

Last I heard it is miniUSB <-> USB A plug only.

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Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

[Jay Vaughan]

- The second is a female USB A <=> freerunner. It's used for host  
mode (for example, plugging a usb key or keyboard to the neo. I've  
got no idea if it is easy to find that one in a shop.




i want this cable so that i can plug in a MIDI interface and use my  
neo as a sequencing platform.


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RE: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

[clare]

On Mon, 14 Apr 2008, Sebastian Billaudelle wrote:

P.S.: I asked my mother and some neighbours:
- charger
- pouch
- lanyard
nothing else...


The pouch is very nice and closes securely with its drawstring.
Inside it I put a piece of vinyl floor tile; and face the Neo1973
screen to the tile, so that sharp or hard items in my bag with it are
less likely to do any damage. There is room for the battery and the
stylus which is homemade and tied to the phone.
THe lanyard I did not like as the slipring fastener came undone
unexpectedly; that is unsafe. I have replaced it with a piece of
cord tied with a fisherman's knot which tightens if the main cord
is pulled but is easily undone by pulling the end pieces.

This is through the hole in the phone. That hole is a brilliant design 
feature - the only phone I have seen that can be securely anchored to me.


Phone must not depend on the PC, so charger is vital; so is a source of 
replacement, chargeable batteries.


clare

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Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

[Kosa]

I do! :D (just kidding)

Kosa

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Has somebody eaten a clown this morning at breakfast? ;-)

Of course noone really wants a pink freerunner, does someone?

steve schrieb:
| When I did my first MP3 in Aluminum I ran out and had it anodized  
gold!

| I was lucky to find a place that was set up to do gold. Most
| are set up for clear, black, red and blue. Guy didn't even charge me.
|
|
|
|
| -Original Message-
| From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael  
Shiloh

| Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 1:33 PM
| To: List for Openmoko community discussion
| Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
|
| My daughter requests pink.
|
| Maybe the only one.
|
| I suggest we make them all white and include a pack of magic  
markers, so

| you can color them any color you wish, or decorate to your heart's
content.
|
| Half jokingly,
| Michael
|
| steve wrote:
|> Ok,
|>
|>   Well I apologize for killing the orange/white model.  When I
|> get to place where I can figure what colors everyone wants and in  
what
|> ratios, then I can easily add colors. For now, folks are focused on  
the

|> innards and not the cosmetics.
|>
|>
|>
|>
|> -Original Message-
|> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ian  
douglas

|> Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:38 PM
|> To: List for Openmoko community discussion
|> Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
|>
|> Robin Paulson wrote:
|>> 2008/4/14 Dirk Deimeke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
|>>>  I also would like to have - may be separately:
|>>>  - Stylus
|>> personally, i'd want:
|>> *a modified charger (if one is made)
|>> *a pouch
|>> included, and that's it
|>
|> I think for a phone that's heavily touch-based, a stylus is a must- 
have.
|> Doesn't even need to be the fancy one that shipped with the Neo  
(and I'm

|> sad I can't buy another orange/white model like my GTA01 was but oh
|> well), but include *something*.
|>
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Re: Charger? (was: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update)

[Lowell Higley]

Just trying to help.  Not terribly useful at the engineering stuff any more
so trying to help how I can. :)

On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 11:59 AM, steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  Thanks Lowell.
>
>
>
> The phone will ship with a wall charger.
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Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

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Has somebody eaten a clown this morning at breakfast? ;-)

Of course noone really wants a pink freerunner, does someone?

steve schrieb:
| When I did my first MP3 in Aluminum I ran out and had it anodized gold!
| I was lucky to find a place that was set up to do gold. Most
| are set up for clear, black, red and blue. Guy didn't even charge me.
|
|
|
|
| -Original Message-
| From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Shiloh
| Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 1:33 PM
| To: List for Openmoko community discussion
| Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
|
| My daughter requests pink.
|
| Maybe the only one.
|
| I suggest we make them all white and include a pack of magic markers, so
| you can color them any color you wish, or decorate to your heart's 
content.

|
| Half jokingly,
| Michael
|
| steve wrote:
|> Ok,
|>
|>   Well I apologize for killing the orange/white model.  When I
|> get to place where I can figure what colors everyone wants and in what
|> ratios, then I can easily add colors. For now, folks are focused on the
|> innards and not the cosmetics.
|>
|>  
|>

|>
|> -Original Message-
|> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ian douglas
|> Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:38 PM
|> To: List for Openmoko community discussion
|> Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
|>
|> Robin Paulson wrote:
|>> 2008/4/14 Dirk Deimeke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
|>>>  I also would like to have - may be separately:
|>>>  - Stylus
|>> personally, i'd want:
|>> *a modified charger (if one is made)
|>> *a pouch
|>> included, and that's it
|>
|> I think for a phone that's heavily touch-based, a stylus is a must-have.
|> Doesn't even need to be the fancy one that shipped with the Neo (and I'm
|> sad I can't buy another orange/white model like my GTA01 was but oh
|> well), but include *something*.
|>
|> -id
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Re: PVT Update.

[nickd]

hi first post :) i don't suppose as part of the open nature of the 
production that the few sick people (myself included) in the community 
could see possibly some videos of the testing? namely the destructive 
tests? i've learnt how to use technology by breaking it and would like 
to see the snuf videos if possible


-nick

steve wrote:

ya, I was telling somebody earlier I worked on an experimental
plane for 5 years: we built 2. 500 Million per copy.
we flew them for a little while. Then they took one.
Shook it to bits; broke its back; and tore its wings off.
bastards.


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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ortwin Regel
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 11:55 AM
To: List for Openmoko community discussion
Subject: Re: PVT Update.

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
Still, poor Freerunners... :'(

On 4/14/08, Michele Renda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

One minute of silence for the dead freerunner, death to ensure a product
free of defects :)

2008/4/14, steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


  The last of DVT testing is I think complete. These are destructive
tests.
Where we try to break the phone.

  


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RE: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

[steve]

When I did my first MP3 in Aluminum I ran out and had it anodized gold!
I was lucky to find a place that was set up to do gold. Most
are set up for clear, black, red and blue. Guy didn't even charge me.




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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Shiloh
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 1:33 PM
To: List for Openmoko community discussion
Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

My daughter requests pink.

Maybe the only one.

I suggest we make them all white and include a pack of magic markers, so 
you can color them any color you wish, or decorate to your heart's content.

Half jokingly,
Michael

steve wrote:
> Ok,
> 
>   Well I apologize for killing the orange/white model.  When I
> get to place where I can figure what colors everyone wants and in what 
> ratios, then I can easily add colors. For now, folks are focused on the
> innards and not the cosmetics.
> 
>  
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ian douglas
> Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:38 PM
> To: List for Openmoko community discussion
> Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
> 
> Robin Paulson wrote:
>> 2008/4/14 Dirk Deimeke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>>  I also would like to have - may be separately:
>>>  - Stylus
>>
>> personally, i'd want:
>> *a modified charger (if one is made)
>> *a pouch
>> included, and that's it
> 
> 
> I think for a phone that's heavily touch-based, a stylus is a must-have. 
> Doesn't even need to be the fancy one that shipped with the Neo (and I'm 
> sad I can't buy another orange/white model like my GTA01 was but oh 
> well), but include *something*.
> 
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RE: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

[steve]

 Sorry about the phone sock thing, I had other metaphors at my disposal.

But I restrained myself.

 

 

 

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sebastian
Billaudelle
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 12:58 PM
To: List for Openmoko community discussion
Subject: RE: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

 

How to develop such a "phone sock"?
OK, my mother is quite good at knitting, but... ;-)

I could post some design proposals...

cheers
Sebastian

P.S.: I asked my mother and some neighbours:
- charger
- pouch
- lanyard
nothing else...


Am Montag, den 14.04.2008, 12:36 -0700 schrieb steve: 

 
Ok thanks dirk.
 
Frankly, some people thought the pouch sucked.  
 
If I ship a pouch, you have no choice. you get my pouch.
 
My opinion: it's a phone sock. 
 
Ideally I would love to have the community
develop this accessory if they want it.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 1:56 AM
To: community@lists.openmoko.org
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Hi,
 
I spoke to my wife ("typical" end user).
 
She expects a
- computer independent charger
- headset
- pouch
 
Best regards
 
Dirk
 
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RE: PVT Update.

[steve]

ya, I was telling somebody earlier I worked on an experimental
plane for 5 years: we built 2. 500 Million per copy.
we flew them for a little while. Then they took one.
Shook it to bits; broke its back; and tore its wings off.
bastards.


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ortwin Regel
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 11:55 AM
To: List for Openmoko community discussion
Subject: Re: PVT Update.

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
Still, poor Freerunners... :'(

On 4/14/08, Michele Renda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> One minute of silence for the dead freerunner, death to ensure a product
> free of defects :)
>
> 2008/4/14, steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> >
> >   The last of DVT testing is I think complete. These are destructive
> > tests.
> > Where we try to break the phone.
> >
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RE: What should be included in packaging (was: Re: FreeRunnerPricing and PVT update)

[steve]

Thanks Kevin for your thoughtful comments.

My Igo works as well, as does my moto charger and I'll use these two plus
some others to check the FreeRunners that I get. 

The stylus debates get very contentious. To thumb or not to thumb.
I have my preference, but I must remain open minded. 

The fancy kick ass stylus will be in the first few thousand Boxes.

Michael and I will be in contact with you about the charger and a couple
other things in a few days.


Steve

 


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Subject: Re: What should be included in packaging (was: Re:
FreeRunnerPricing and PVT update)

I'm in the same position as Bobby. I use my Neo as my primary phone as
well as my digital media player. I haven't touched the lanyard or the
pouch since I took them out of the box.

But I also don't use my stylus. My stylus was neat in the beginning,
because I could use it to play with my cats, but as a functional part
of the Neo I find it a hinderance.

I bring this up because I think it MIGHT be relevant. The Neo doesn't
have a slot for a stylus. In the discussion of what will be an
accessory and what will be part of the package, I think the stylus is
the only one that has an actual impact to the software. If the stylus
is NOT included in the box, the software should be written in a way to
not need it. I'd personally be QUITE happy with this but I'm pretty
sure there are many people who would disagree. But if the software
won't be thumb oriented, the stylus is NOT an accessory.

I like Bobby's idea, the "click here to buy this accessory" but I
think Steve has pretty much ruled that out. Openmoko isn't going to
purchase and stock items without a profit and if it did that, it would
be passing unneeded expense to the customer.

What I think is the most prudent method to take is to have an openmoko
branded "Approved" stamp. This could be community OR vendor initiated.
I know that my iGo charger works without issue on the Neo with the
Check Fast Charge applet. I see no reason that Openmoko couldn't
recommend this on the site once the product goes mainstream. It would
allow the customer to make their own decisions, still leave a TON of
options, let the customer pick the best price and ensure a decently
high level of quality.

On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 12:47 PM, Marcus Bauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> On Mon, 2008-04-14 at 10:33 -0500, Bobby Martin wrote:
>
>  > I lost the stylus (it's way too cool; if you forget it at a restaurant
>  > or something, you don't get a call asking if you want it back :-)
>
>  They are $3 a piece w/ shipping included if you take ten.
>
>  For example this one here:
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/10-x-4in1-Red-LASER-Pointer-LED-Torch-PDA-Stylus-PEN_W0Q
QitemZ220223455957QQihZ012QQ
>
>
>  No need to buy another Neo to get a new pen ;-)
>
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RE: What should be included in packaging (was: Re: FreeRunnerPricing and PVT update)

[steve]

Probably need to set up a wiki of stuff like this.



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FreeRunnerPricing and PVT update)

On Mon, 2008-04-14 at 10:33 -0500, Bobby Martin wrote:

> I lost the stylus (it's way too cool; if you forget it at a restaurant
> or something, you don't get a call asking if you want it back :-)

They are $3 a piece w/ shipping included if you take ten.

For example this one here:

http://cgi.ebay.com/10-x-4in1-Red-LASER-Pointer-LED-Torch-PDA-Stylus-PEN_W0Q
QitemZ220223455957QQihZ012QQ


No need to buy another Neo to get a new pen ;-)


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Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

[Brendan Reid]

On 11/04/2008, steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> For these people we created a 10Pack. instead of 399 per phone, we will
> charge 369 per phone.
>
>
> Over the next few days I will explain the next steps we go through and how
> the product will get distributed
>
>
> Steve



Steve

as part of your info on distribution can you cover (in due course)

   - the warranty posn for single phone purchase (US/EU/RoW)
   - the warranty posnf for 10 pack phone purchase (if you sent 10x
   copies of the 10pack receipt this would be great for loose groups of
   individuals (LUGs) returning a problem phone)

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Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

[Philippe Guillebert]

steve wrote:


USB cable is in.



Hello all,

Sorry to keep that up but I see three kind of potential cables and I'm 
not sure which one you're talking about :


- First is male USB A <=> freerunner (USB mini AB, I believe) : it is 
used for charging and using usb slave functions (usb mass storage...). 
This one is pretty standard and can be found in every shop. I'm guessing 
you're talking about this one.


- The second is a female USB A <=> freerunner. It's used for host mode 
(for example, plugging a usb key or keyboard to the neo. I've got no 
idea if it is easy to find that one in a shop.


- The third one is the famous "Y cable", that is pretty much the same as 
#2 except it gets an additional male USB A connector in order to provide 
current to the neo (from any charger) while using host mode. It doesn't 
seem very straightforward to use (a three-way cable ?) but covers all 
the cases of cable #2 (hence it is more "universal"). It definitively 
cannot be found in a shop and I guess this involves a cutter and some 
dirty electronics to make one.


I hope I'm making this clearer, and wonder what we can expect in the 
final package ?


Thanks

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Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

[Ivo Anjo]

Hi.

Is this the mini-usb (on OM side) --> usb (pc side), or the Y usb cable for
usb host?

Ivo

On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 10:43 PM, steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  USB cable is in.
>
>
>
>
>  --
>
> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Sebastian Billaudelle
> *Sent:* Monday, April 14, 2008 8:41 AM
> *To:* List for Openmoko community discussion
> *Subject:* Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
>
>
>
> My opinion:
>
> + USB-cable is essentially! I think the nice FreeRunner won't look nice
> with a self-made cable...
> + pouch
> + lanyard (this is something Moko-specific like the pouch...)
>
> - no stylus
> - no SD-card (1/2 GByte are too small, more are too expensive)
> - no headset (some want big ones, others small ones...)
>
> cheers
> Sebastian
>
> Am Montag, den 14.04.2008, 16:48 +0200 schrieb Kevin Zuber:
>
>
>
> I totally agree with you, Marco!
>
> But I would like to add two important things:
>
> -The Pouch is more important than "needed" for me, it's essential. It
>
> will always be there, when I'm not using it, I also don't want a
>
> "no-name" pouch, because I like that one with the word "openmoko" on it,
>
> because it is simply great! I also like this "neoprene"-outfit.
>
>
>
> -The MicroSD is less than optional, because here in germany (don't know
>
> about other countries) you get an xxSD card really everywhere for just a
>
> few euros. Another point is, that I can buy that size I want to buy
>
> (depends on the money I would like to spend on it).
>
>
>
> Two notices for optional gadgets:
>
> -Lanyard: I don't think one with "openmoko" on it is a standard part,
>
> and I like it :) (I also think it's a really cheap but great part)
>
>
>
> -Headset: Every ones ears are other ears: small, big... and because of
>
> the standard port every headset should work. I also thought that the
>
> openmoko (GTA01) headset has no mic. Correct me if I'm wrong.
>
>
>
> Kevin
>
>
>
>
>
> Am Montag, den 14.04.2008, 02:35 +0200 schrieb "Marco Trevisan
>
> (Treviño)":
>
> > steve ha scritto:
>
> > > Many people have voiced there opinion to me about what EXTRAS they would
>
> > > like in the box ( most of them legal) so, the team will make a decision.
>
> > > We won't please everybody, but it will be a rational decision, based on
>
> > > cost of the extra goodies, availability, and importance, and your feedback
>
> >
>
> > I do think that the needed goodies to have a market-ready device are:
>
> >   - AC Charger (better if "custom")
>
> >   - Headset (with mic?)
>
> >   - Pouch (well, I figure our Freerunner will be there most of the time!)
>
> >   - Stylus
>
> >
>
> > Optional:
>
> >   - MicroSD
>
> >   - USB Cable
>
> >   - Lanyard
>
> >
>
>
>
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RE: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

[steve]

USB cable is in.

 

 

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sebastian
Billaudelle
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 8:41 AM
To: List for Openmoko community discussion
Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

 

My opinion:

+ USB-cable is essentially! I think the nice FreeRunner won't look nice with
a self-made cable...
+ pouch
+ lanyard (this is something Moko-specific like the pouch...)

- no stylus
- no SD-card (1/2 GByte are too small, more are too expensive)
- no headset (some want big ones, others small ones...)

cheers
Sebastian

Am Montag, den 14.04.2008, 16:48 +0200 schrieb Kevin Zuber: 

 
I totally agree with you, Marco!
But I would like to add two important things:
-The Pouch is more important than "needed" for me, it's essential. It
will always be there, when I'm not using it, I also don't want a
"no-name" pouch, because I like that one with the word "openmoko" on it,
because it is simply great! I also like this "neoprene"-outfit.
 
-The MicroSD is less than optional, because here in germany (don't know
about other countries) you get an xxSD card really everywhere for just a
few euros. Another point is, that I can buy that size I want to buy
(depends on the money I would like to spend on it). 
 
Two notices for optional gadgets:
-Lanyard: I don't think one with "openmoko" on it is a standard part,
and I like it :) (I also think it's a really cheap but great part)
 
-Headset: Every ones ears are other ears: small, big... and because of
the standard port every headset should work. I also thought that the
openmoko (GTA01) headset has no mic. Correct me if I'm wrong.
 
Kevin
 
 
Am Montag, den 14.04.2008, 02:35 +0200 schrieb "Marco Trevisan
(Treviño)":
> steve ha scritto:
> > Many people have voiced there opinion to me about what EXTRAS they would
> > like in the box ( most of them legal) so, the team will make a decision.
> > We won't please everybody, but it will be a rational decision, based on
> > cost of the extra goodies, availability, and importance, and your
feedback
> 
> I do think that the needed goodies to have a market-ready device are:
>   - AC Charger (better if "custom")
>   - Headset (with mic?)
>   - Pouch (well, I figure our Freerunner will be there most of the time!)
>   - Stylus
> 
> Optional:
>   - MicroSD
>   - USB Cable
>   - Lanyard
> 
 
 
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2. bewusst schlecht entwickelt sind und
3. nicht für alle zugänglich sind!

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RE: What should be included in packaging (was: Re: FreeRunner Pricingand PVT update)

[steve]

Thanks Bobby,

 

 The approach you suggest is one that we will take eventually when we have
established a predictable run rate.

 What’s that mean?  When you sell a  million Ipods per month, lets say, then
you can establish an ATTACH RATE for

accessories. for every million ipods, I sell 100,000 chargers, 5000 screen
protectors, 62567, car chargers.

Like so.  That way, you know how many to order, how many to stock, and you
design packaging ect etc.

 

Breaking out accessories into an ala carte system incurs overhead both on
production side and the shipping

side. At certain volumes these overheads are minimized.

 

If you like I can explain further. But for now I am minimizing SKU count.

 

 

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 8:33 AM
To: community@lists.openmoko.org
Subject: What should be included in packaging (was: Re: FreeRunner
Pricingand PVT update)

 

I am one of those crazy people who use the neo 1973 as their everyday phone,
and I NEVER use the pouch.  Does any current every day user use the pouch or
lanyard?

I lost the stylus (it's way too cool; if you forget it at a restaurant or
something, you don't get a call asking if you want it back :-)

For me, the must have list would be just the charger.

However, to me this seems like a super-simple problem to solve!  By default
(after the 'goodies' release, of course), you just get the phone.  Anything
else may be useless junk to any particular customer, destined for a
landfill.

By default, you just get the phone, but you are given a little list of all
the extras with a checkbox for each to see if you want it in your package.
They are reasonably priced, and shipped in the same packaging as the phone.
There is clear text that you will need a Neo specific charger to
automatically get fast charge, and that only a 2.5 mm headphone compatible
with X mobile phone will work.

Something like this:
Your shopping cart:
1 $399  Neo FreeRunner
Would you like any of the following add-ons?
   [ ] $9.99 Wall charger  (the Neo can only "fast charge" from a Neo
compatible charger or a computer USB cable)  (What is this?)
   [ ] $3.99 USB to mini-A cable  (What is this?)
   [ ] $9.99 powered USB host cable  (What is this?)
   [ ] $2.99 cool Neo FreeRunner lanyard (What is this?)
   ...

Of course, I'm sure other answers seem just as obviously correct to others
:-)

Bobby

Not providing SD card could take off taxes about private copy or other
bullshits like that from RIAA and friends... as I said in a previous mail. 

To me charger should be provided, with stylus, headset and pouch at least.

-- 
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leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being
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RE: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

[steve]

Wow,

 Kevin, that is really enlightening for me. I've never heard anyone talk
about why they like the pouch. 

I was kinda thinking about making things like the pouch a give away at trade
shows and on the community list. Not for everybody, but for folks who were
contributers.  I would rather give 5K pouches to community members who
posted great ideas, than ship 100,000 to people and have 95000 end up in the
trash bin.



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Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 7:48 AM
To: List for Openmoko community discussion
Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

I totally agree with you, Marco!
But I would like to add two important things:
-The Pouch is more important than "needed" for me, it's essential. It
will always be there, when I'm not using it, I also don't want a
"no-name" pouch, because I like that one with the word "openmoko" on it,
because it is simply great! I also like this "neoprene"-outfit.

-The MicroSD is less than optional, because here in germany (don't know
about other countries) you get an xxSD card really everywhere for just a
few euros. Another point is, that I can buy that size I want to buy
(depends on the money I would like to spend on it). 

Two notices for optional gadgets:
-Lanyard: I don't think one with "openmoko" on it is a standard part,
and I like it :) (I also think it's a really cheap but great part)

-Headset: Every ones ears are other ears: small, big... and because of
the standard port every headset should work. I also thought that the
openmoko (GTA01) headset has no mic. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Kevin


Am Montag, den 14.04.2008, 02:35 +0200 schrieb "Marco Trevisan
(Treviño)":
> steve ha scritto:
> > Many people have voiced there opinion to me about what EXTRAS they would
> > like in the box ( most of them legal) so, the team will make a decision.
> > We won't please everybody, but it will be a rational decision, based on
> > cost of the extra goodies, availability, and importance, and your
feedback
> 
> I do think that the needed goodies to have a market-ready device are:
>   - AC Charger (better if "custom")
>   - Headset (with mic?)
>   - Pouch (well, I figure our Freerunner will be there most of the time!)
>   - Stylus
> 
> Optional:
>   - MicroSD
>   - USB Cable
>   - Lanyard
> 


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RE: PVT Update.

[steve]

Ok.

 I'm talking about the software that will go on the phone when it is built,
and then the downloads that will be available.

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Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 7:48 AM
To: community@lists.openmoko.org
Subject: Re: PVT Update.

steve wrote:
> 1. A final release of software to the factory. Bug Fixing will go on after
> this, but the image we commit is one we will stick with for a while. 
> Don't ask me what "a while" is. I'll talk about the software release
> late Next week and let you all know what made it into the first release
and
> what will come later.

This point isn't so clear to me: what you mean for "release of 
software"? Are you developing a new release of the software on "closed 
doors" and you'll release it soon? Or maybe are you only talking about 
testing kernel and other low-level softwares?

> So, short version: design is verified. Hardware is production worthy.
Yeild
> results are good.

This is a really happy news btw...!

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RE: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

[steve]

USB cable will be in the goodies.


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> It is not necessary to modify a cable to fast charge the device. All
> that is needed is something like [1] (which costs US$3) and the
> software from [2] and you have fast charging without modifying a cable
> or relying upon the folks from OpenMoko to get into the accessory
> business.
>


I want this cable not for charging, but for using USB devices with  
the Freerunner / neo1973 .. so in that instance, it shouldn't be  
included?

I feel its a bit dodgy expecting customers to hack up their own cable  
to use USB devices - unless there is a cable that can be purchased  
out there already that will give us this capability?


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Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

[Paul Jimenez]

On Monday, Apr 14, 2008, "steve" writes:
>Ok thanks dirk.
>
>Frankly, some people thought the pouch sucked.  
>
>If I ship a pouch, you have no choice. you get my pouch.
>
>My opinion: it's a phone sock. 
>
>Ideally I would love to have the community
>develop this accessory if they want it.

Anyone have thoughts on the RAPS stuff at skoobadesign.com ?
(http://www.skoobadesign.com/product/advanced-protection-system-wrap-small-22/)

Maybe you could talk to them about getting an openmoko-branded version?

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Black is the new pink :)
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Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

[Michael Shiloh]

My daughter requests pink.

Maybe the only one.

I suggest we make them all white and include a pack of magic markers, so 
you can color them any color you wish, or decorate to your heart's content.


Half jokingly,
Michael

steve wrote:

Ok,

  Well I apologize for killing the orange/white model.  When I
get to place where I can figure what colors everyone wants and in what 
ratios, then I can easily add colors. For now, folks are focused on the

innards and not the cosmetics.

 



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Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

Robin Paulson wrote:

2008/4/14 Dirk Deimeke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

 I also would like to have - may be separately:
 - Stylus


personally, i'd want:
*a modified charger (if one is made)
*a pouch
included, and that's it



I think for a phone that's heavily touch-based, a stylus is a must-have. 
Doesn't even need to be the fancy one that shipped with the Neo (and I'm 
sad I can't buy another orange/white model like my GTA01 was but oh 
well), but include *something*.


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RE: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

[steve]

Haha.  I remember that. I use chopsticks and squizzle sticks. 

 

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I use toothpicks. Free in most restaurants, every Swiss army knife has 
one, and impossible to accidentally shine the laser into your eye.

:-)

steve wrote:
> 
> Ha,
>  
> Dont go encouraging me with wacky ideas I like.
> 
> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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> 
>  >But is the software going to depend on a stylus? If so, it should be
>  >made very clear when purchasing that the customer will need to get one.
>  >Even better would be to include a simple cheap one, it would be better
>  >then nothing.
> 
> i think we should include a ten-pack of cocktail sticks plus a groovy 
> small rubber stick holder on the back of the phone.disposable 
> styli... works for me... i am always losing them anyway...
> 
> JW
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Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

[Dirk Deimeke]

Hi,

> Frankly, some people thought the pouch sucked.  

oh, not to bei misunderstood. It is a nice addon, but nothing that
should be in the package ... nevertheless I want to have it ;-)

> If I ship a pouch, you have no choice. you get my pouch.

:-)

> My opinion: it's a phone sock. 

That is exactly what we thought about it.
 
> Ideally I would love to have the community
> develop this accessory if they want it.

I think it is really nice but as addon ...

Dirk

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RE: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

[Sebastian Billaudelle]

How to develop such a "phone sock"?
OK, my mother is quite good at knitting, but... ;-)

I could post some design proposals...

cheers
Sebastian

P.S.: I asked my mother and some neighbours:
- charger
- pouch
- lanyard
nothing else...


Am Montag, den 14.04.2008, 12:36 -0700 schrieb steve:

> Ok thanks dirk.
> 
> Frankly, some people thought the pouch sucked.  
> 
> If I ship a pouch, you have no choice. you get my pouch.
> 
> My opinion: it's a phone sock. 
> 
> Ideally I would love to have the community
> develop this accessory if they want it.
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dirk Deimeke
> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 1:56 AM
> To: community@lists.openmoko.org
> Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I spoke to my wife ("typical" end user).
> 
> She expects a
> - computer independent charger
> - headset
> - pouch
> 
> Best regards
> 
> Dirk
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Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

[flexd]

Sort of off topic here (very) but i think the GTAV3 (or whatever next 
model) should have some form of firewire, would prove extremely handy 
whenever your around locked windows machines and feel that urge to poke 
around ^_^


ontopic:

I personally haven't owned a Neo yet, but i think the pouch would 
probably be most used for travelling and moving abouts, me for instance 
would most likely use the pouch to protect the screen when going back 
and forth to work/school in my backpack.


But this is ofcourse up to each person what they want to do, as for the 
stylus:
I feel that it should be a part of the package, but for the future maybe 
some sort of "sleeve" you can fit around the phone with some accessories 
could be made? With a stylus holder ( a smaller stylus) along with 
whatever other goodies one might need?


About the headset, i dont know, it's illegal to drive and talk on the 
phone without a headset here in Norway but shipping some really cheap 
headset that 99% of the buyers might not use is rather pointless, 
instead there could just be recommendations on the website or on the 
wiki about which ones give good sound quality and work well with the phone.


Regards

Kristoffer





steve skrev:

Ok thanks dirk.

Frankly, some people thought the pouch sucked.  


If I ship a pouch, you have no choice. you get my pouch.

My opinion: it's a phone sock. 


Ideally I would love to have the community
develop this accessory if they want it.



 
 



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dirk Deimeke
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 1:56 AM
To: community@lists.openmoko.org
Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

Hi,

I spoke to my wife ("typical" end user).

She expects a
- computer independent charger
- headset
- pouch

Best regards

Dirk

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RE: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

[steve]

I think Michael and I were supposed to test the 8GB version.
Actually Michael tests and I say wow and great and then do the happy dance.

He'll be back soon. We will revert on this. 

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Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 4:30 AM
To: community@lists.openmoko.org
Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

Ivo Anjo wrote:
> Finally, the miniSD card, DEFINITELY leave it off, unless you get a 
> really really really good deal, because you can buy very high-capacity 
> nowadays, so it doesn't make much sense to pay for 512mb or such on the 
> neo, and then buy a multi-gb one (I am definitely getting one of those 
> myself).

I agree, I'll buy one soon too, but what's the maximum capacity actually 
supported (I've seen the wiki, but there are no so much tests)? I'd like 
to buy an 8Gb Mini-SD card...

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RE: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

[steve]

Ok thanks dirk.

Frankly, some people thought the pouch sucked.  

If I ship a pouch, you have no choice. you get my pouch.

My opinion: it's a phone sock. 

Ideally I would love to have the community
develop this accessory if they want it.



 
 


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dirk Deimeke
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 1:56 AM
To: community@lists.openmoko.org
Subject: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update

Hi,

I spoke to my wife ("typical" end user).

She expects a
- computer independent charger
- headset
- pouch

Best regards

Dirk

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RE: Charger? (was: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update)

[steve]

Thanks Lowell.

 

The phone will ship with a wall charger. 

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: Charger? (was: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update)

 

I think I'm going to have to completely disagree on this one.  I RARELY plug
anything into a computer to simply charge it.  I'd venture almost never.
The idea that I HAVE to plug a device into a computer to charge it is
completely ridiculous to me. I'd bet my experience as a product marketer
that consumers would feel similarly.  My expectation of a cell phone (based
on precedent) is that I get a wall charger with my phone.  Even Apple didn't
break this precedent with the iPhone.  You can plug it into a cradle
(connecting to a system), a wall charger, or a vehicle accessory charger.

That being said, I don't know whether this "custom charger" is just a
modified USB cable or an actual wall charger.  Again, based on precedent, my
expectation was that it was a wall charger.  Thinking about it now I realize
that perhaps that was not a good assumption to make.

Just my 4 1/2 cents.

On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 12:25 AM, Marcus Bauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

On Mon, 2008-04-14 at 08:38 +0200, Erland Lewin wrote:
> 2008/4/14, steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>   1. We have a custom charger that can fast charge the phone.
>   2. Standard usb chargers will work just fine.
>
> How long will charging the phone take with the fast charger vs. a
> normal charger?
>
> If a standard USB charger will take on the order of 12 hours (1200 mAh
> battery / 100 mA, probably more due <100% efficiency), that is really
> borderline of what sounds acceptable, if an overnight charge won't be
> enough to fully charge the phone.

There have been plenty of discussions about this on the lists and the
great news is that the Neo can use any USB charger.

I have a Neo 1973 and use it on a daily basis. The great thing is that
you don't need any special charger, you can use any $5 charger and it
works. There is a small program out there that can pop up a dialog
whenever it sees the Neo only charging at 100mA and asking if you want
to draw 500mA.

It really is a non issue. I have a couple of those chargers for
home/office/car/travel and they all work and charge plenty of other
devices too. IMHO a great design decision to use USB for charging.
Finally there is an end coming to have all these different chargers
around.

So I just can second Steve:
"2. Standard usb chargers will work just fine."

Marcus





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Re: PVT Update.

[Ortwin Regel]

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
Still, poor Freerunners... :'(

On 4/14/08, Michele Renda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> One minute of silence for the dead freerunner, death to ensure a product
> free of defects :)
>
> 2008/4/14, steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> >
> >   The last of DVT testing is I think complete. These are destructive
> > tests.
> > Where we try to break the phone.
> >
>

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