Re: Openness (was RE: Concern for usability and ergonomics)

2007-06-12 Thread Joe Friedrichsen
Michele Manzato wrote: Don't get me wrong, I can guess (some of) the reasons behind the plain words. But then I wonder whether there is really any transparency in the development of Neo/OpenMoko? I can sympathize with you to an extent. I fully support the concept and goal of OpenMoko. If I didn

Re: Openness (was RE: Concern for usability and ergonomics)

2007-06-12 Thread kenneth marken
Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Milan Votava writes: You are all going to become slaves of capitalists (Sean on behalf of FIC). Better to support guys from xda-developers.com (like cr2) to make machines like HTC Universal a real free phones Better to work on a machine in spite of the manufacturer ra

Re: Openness (was RE: Concern for usability and ergonomics)

2007-06-12 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Milan Votava writes: > >1/ 99% of this thread is about an unrealistic things to be >implemented on a non existent (underpowered) device. Who in the World >cares about things being discussed in this thread? People wants to >use their pones, to make calls, send sms/mms/emails. I'm being tired >to

RE: Openness (was RE: Concern for usability and ergonomics)

2007-06-12 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Milan Votava writes: >You are all going to become slaves of capitalists (Sean on behalf of FIC). > >Better to support guys from xda-developers.com (like cr2) to make >machines like HTC Universal a real free phones Better to work on a machine in spite of the manufacturer rather than with the m

Re: Openness (was RE: Concern for usability and ergonomics)

2007-06-12 Thread Robin Paulson
On 6/13/07, Milan Votava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: (sorry for my english) I'm subscribed for this this thread for about 6m now. I don't want to be rude but: why so long? you must be interested or you would have long since left 1/ 99% of this thread is about an unrealistic things to be why

Re: Openness (was RE: Concern for usability and ergonomics)

2007-06-12 Thread Oleg Gusev
Am Mittwoch, 13. Juni 2007 01:42 schrieb Robin Paulson: > > are we duplicating work? familiar is 6+ years old, i'm sure they must > have some good ideas that can be used? maybe we can make openmoko a > fork from their project? > Robin, please read down to the bottom of the status page. All moder

Re: Openness (was RE: Concern for usability and ergonomics)

2007-06-12 Thread Robin Paulson
damn, wrong address, sorry oleg. repost. twice can someone at openmoko fix the auto-generated reply-to fields on this mailing-list? every time this gets me On 6/13/07, Oleg Gusev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: HTC phones are commodity hardware that anybody can buy right here and right now. Linux on

Re: Openness (was RE: Concern for usability and ergonomics)

2007-06-12 Thread Milan Votava
(sorry for my english) I'm subscribed for this this thread for about 6m now. I don't want to be rude but: 1/ 99% of this thread is about an unrealistic things to be implemented on a non existent (underpowered) device. Who in the World cares about things being discussed in this thread? People

Re: Openness (was RE: Concern for usability and ergonomics)

2007-06-12 Thread Oleg Gusev
Am Mittwoch, 13. Juni 2007 00:31 schrieb Steven **: > > Seems like xda-developers.com is focused on reverse engineering cell > phones. Specifically because the company that made those phones wouldn't > give them the information. And that's better than FIC how? > HTC phones are commodity hardware

Re: Openness (was RE: Concern for usability and ergonomics)

2007-06-12 Thread Milan Votava
(correction) Because is clear who is a foe and who is a friend Sorry, you are already too blinded to understand... At 00:31 13.6.2007, Steven ** wrote: Seems like xda-developers.com is focused on reverse engineering cell phones.  Specifically because the company that made those phones wouldn

Re: Openness (was RE: Concern for usability and ergonomics)

2007-06-12 Thread Milan Votava
Becose is clear who is a foe and who is a friend Sorry you are to blinded to understand... At 00:31 13.6.2007, Steven ** wrote: Seems like xda-developers.com is focused on reverse engineering cell phones.  Specifically because the company that made those phones wouldn't give them the informa

Re: Openness (was RE: Concern for usability and ergonomics)

2007-06-12 Thread Steven **
Seems like xda-developers.com is focused on reverse engineering cell phones. Specifically because the company that made those phones wouldn't give them the information. And that's better than FIC how? FIC is giving us the information! How is that bad? -Steven On 6/12/07, Milan Votava <[EMAIL

RE: Openness (was RE: Concern for usability and ergonomics)

2007-06-12 Thread Milan Votava
You are all going to become slaves of capitalists (Sean on behalf of FIC). Better to support guys from xda-developers.com (like cr2) to make machines like HTC Universal a real free phones Milan At 22:51 12.6.2007, you wrote: Jonathon Suggs wrote > However, suggesting that people > shoul

RE: Openness (was RE: Concern for usability and ergonomics)

2007-06-12 Thread John Seghers
Jonathon Suggs wrote > However, suggesting that people > shouldn't be expressing their interests about features no matter how > niche/picky/whatever is just plain wrong. I specifically said, in my summary paragraph: >>By all means give them feedback, tell them your desires, etc. But please >>don

Re: Openness (was RE: Concern for usability and ergonomics)

2007-06-12 Thread Jonathon Suggs
First, the mailing list is to be used for ideas and communication. You are absolutely correct that FIC will have to make the final decisions about what is and isn't included. However, suggesting that people shouldn't be expressing their interests about features no matter how niche/picky/whate

Re: Openness (was RE: Concern for usability and ergonomics)

2007-06-12 Thread Christopher Tokarczyk
I agree definitely with the parts that I excerpted below from what John said, and would further like to point out what I personally see as one of the major strengths of this project: To show the world and other device makers that there can be a market for open mobile devices/phones. Of course this