Re: GPS application (was: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld)

2008-08-13 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Marcus Bauer wrote: gpsd works well and gypsy is not network capable. Simply using your Neo's GPS from your Laptop does not work. And especially for an application like tangoGPS it is inherently broken: every nav-application wants to have the raw NMEA and not some preprocessed stuff and the

Re: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld

2008-08-12 Thread Michele Renda
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi all Finally I am near to the finish line, I think I missed linux world, but in the end I made something that could be useful for someone: I opened a project in launchpad: http://launchpad.net/ogino-gtk Until now this program is available only

Re: GPS application (was: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld)

2008-08-02 Thread Ken Restivo
On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 12:38:07PM +0300, Mikko Rauhala wrote: ti, 2008-07-29 kello 20:53 +0200, Marcus Bauer kirjoitti: I'm a huge Openstreetmap fan but until OSM is ready for routing this will take at least five more years, probably ten. That's probably true _if you drive a car_ (though

Re: GPS application (was: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld)

2008-08-02 Thread Tim Coggins
If you don't need a GPS that's great but I find them really useful. Yes, maps and a compasses are really useful but they are quite bulky and you need the right one. Thanks to the FreeRunner I've now got localised, street level maps for a large part of the work (OSM[0]) in my pocket. In addition to

Re: GPS application (was: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld)

2008-08-02 Thread Mike Montour
Ken Restivo wrote: What is the point of having GPS anyway? One reason for GPS on a phone is to provide location information for Enhanced 911 emergency services. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: GPS application (was: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld)

2008-08-02 Thread Jay Vaughan
What is the point of having GPS anyway? Its nice, when you're navigating around an unfamiliar area, to be able to have a realtime update of where you are exactly. Its also fun to have a trace of your trip, if you're the kind of person who gets out a bit. Nice in the forests and among

Re: GPS application (was: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld)

2008-07-31 Thread Yorick Moko
start-up solved: [Desktop Entry] Encoding=UTF-8 Name=Navit TryExec=navit GenericName=Navit Comment=GPS Navigation Exec=navit Icon=diversity-nav Terminal=false Type=Application Categories=Network;GPS; StartupNotify=true SingleInstance=true solved it but the destination screen crashes On Thu, Jul

Re: GPS application (was: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld)

2008-07-31 Thread Yorick Moko
my apologies for the spam, i didn't read the wiki good enough, the fix is there On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 12:36 PM, Yorick Moko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: start-up solved: [Desktop Entry] Encoding=UTF-8 Name=Navit TryExec=navit GenericName=Navit Comment=GPS Navigation Exec=navit

Re: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld

2008-07-30 Thread Marcus Bauer
On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 13:37 +0800, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: On 7/29/08 Marcus Bauer wrote: On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 15:33 -0700, steve wrote: Of course!!! Every toolkit is allowed. The whole point about FSO is to free people to pick their toolkit! The opposite is true. FSO forces

Re: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld

2008-07-30 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
I will not reply to comments like these in detail. You would not understand. -Sean Marcus Bauer wrote: On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 13:37 +0800, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: On 7/29/08 Marcus Bauer wrote: On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 15:33 -0700, steve wrote: Of course!!! Every toolkit is allowed. The

Re: GPS application (was: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld)

2008-07-30 Thread Jay Vaughan
planet.osm.bz2 is 4.2 gigs now, but that's why there are 8 gig microSD cards I guess. :-) Of course being unindexed XML you don't have time to parse and render that much data. Hmm .. that alongside mokopedia, and my 8gig card is *full* to the brim . Cool! :) Hey - maybe *this* is the

Re: GPS application (was: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld)

2008-07-30 Thread Jay Vaughan
Nope. Can't compete against a TomTom or any other commercial Navi. But then there is no solution for the Neo: the screen is too small and the speaker too weak. Nevertheless it is quite often quite handy. I'm using it to navigate the streets of Vienna quite happily, Marcus .. it took me a

Re: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld

2008-07-30 Thread Marcus Bauer
On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 16:07 +0800, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: I will not reply to comments like these in detail. You would not understand. Well, we can start calling each other names here - and basically you are calling me retarded. That's fine with me, but next time do it off list. As you are

Re: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld

2008-07-30 Thread Aaron Sowry
This is not at all what I meant. I will reply to you privately. -Sean ...thank you! *removes flak jacket* ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: GPS application (was: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld)

2008-07-30 Thread Mikko Rauhala
ti, 2008-07-29 kello 20:53 +0200, Marcus Bauer kirjoitti: I'm a huge Openstreetmap fan but until OSM is ready for routing this will take at least five more years, probably ten. That's probably true _if you drive a car_ (though even for that it can be a handy help, especially in areas that

Re: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld

2008-07-30 Thread Michele Renda
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Marcus Bauer wrote: * I have spent considerable amounts of time, doing unpaid development for Openmoko - namely tangoGPS. This give you a lot of honor, and if until now I avoid to reply to you was also for this fact. * I feel

Re: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld

2008-07-30 Thread David Pottage
On Wed, July 30, 2008 9:07 am, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: I will not reply to comments like these in detail. You would not understand. Sean: Ad homen attacks aside, you need to respond in public to Marcus's substantive points. He is an important community developer, and he is expressing real

Re: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld

2008-07-30 Thread arne anka
Ad homen attacks aside, you need to respond in public to Marcus's substantive points. [as lot of the sensible remarks] +1 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld

2008-07-30 Thread Alex Kavanagh
David Pottage wrote, On 30/07/08 11:07: None of us expected an iPhone like polished and fully integrated software stack, but we did expect a developer friendly platform with some basic functionality that would mostly work. Strangely enough, I didn't. Not having read the mailing list, looked

Re: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld

2008-07-30 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 7/30/08 David Pottage wrote: On Wed, July 30, 2008 9:07 am, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: I will not reply to comments like these in detail. You would not understand. Sean: Ad homen attacks aside, you need to respond in public to Marcus's substantive points. He is an important

Re: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld

2008-07-30 Thread Michele Renda
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 What to say... free software is done by open passions :) And we deeply like it :) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org

Re: GPS application (was: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld)

2008-07-30 Thread Tilman Baumann
Marcus Bauer wrote: On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 16:47 +0200, Tilman Baumann wrote: Well, i like tangoGPS very much. But it is hardly a comprehensive solution. First it's only a tile viewer for online maps. No routing, no offline maps. I'm a huge Openstreetmap fan but until OSM is ready for

Re: GPS application (was: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld)

2008-07-30 Thread Tilman Baumann
Shawn Rutledge wrote: On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 11:06 AM, Jay Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I hope you come up with good data for India. I always wanted to have a map of the entire world available in my pocket, so maybe we get closer and closer to that .. ;) planet.osm.bz2 is 4.2 gigs

Re: GPS application (was: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld)

2008-07-30 Thread Tilman Baumann
Tilman Baumann wrote: But you are tight, they solve quite different problems. Navit is far better for orientation in cities or for cycling and walking. Sorry, this is probably a typo that needs to be declared explicitly. s/tight/right/ *g* -- Drucken Sie diese Mail bitte nur auf

Re: GPS application (was: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld)

2008-07-30 Thread arne anka
Navit works supprisingly well. Very well with 'stolen/misused' MapRoute maps. got wherefrom, ie what kind of maps work with it? But i have to say, the navit build for openmoko is in bad condition. (easy to fix) care to elaborate? ___ Openmoko

Re: GPS application (was: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld)

2008-07-30 Thread Tilman Baumann
arne anka wrote: Navit works supprisingly well. Very well with 'stolen/misused' MapRoute maps. got wherefrom, ie what kind of maps work with it? http://wiki.navit-project.org/index.php/Main_Page#Maps But i have to say, the navit build for openmoko is in bad condition. (easy to fix) care

Re: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld

2008-07-30 Thread Julien Cassignol
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 12:38 PM, John Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: since OM will stick with fso in the foreseeable future, I think port OM2007.2 app suites to fso is a logical move. ogpsd is there based on gypsy, and it should be just another backend of tangogps. Just so you know, the main

RE: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld

2008-07-29 Thread Marcus Bauer
On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 01:08 +0200, Kristian 'kriss' Mueller wrote: Am Dienstag, den 29.07.2008, 00:46 +0200 schrieb Marcus Bauer: On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 15:33 -0700, steve wrote: Of course!!! Every toolkit is allowed. The whole point about FSO is to free people to pick their toolkit!

Re: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld

2008-07-29 Thread Michele Renda
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Marcus Bauer wrote: FSO is the brainchild of Dr. Michael Lauer, fresh from the university's ivory tower but lacking any industry experience. It is reinventing the wheel and drains lots of ressources that are needed elsewhere inside of Openmoko.

RE: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld

2008-07-29 Thread Kristian 'kriss' Mueller
Am Dienstag, den 29.07.2008, 08:23 +0200 schrieb Marcus Bauer: The opposite is true. FSO forces you into ASU. It basically makes all work that has been put into OM2007.2 useless. Please stop telling these lies. Marcus, did I miss the irony here, or do you really believe this?

Re: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld

2008-07-29 Thread John Lee
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 08:23:29AM +0200, Marcus Bauer wrote: On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 01:08 +0200, Kristian 'kriss' Mueller wrote: Am Dienstag, den 29.07.2008, 00:46 +0200 schrieb Marcus Bauer: The opposite is true. FSO forces you into ASU. It basically makes all work that has been put

Re: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld

2008-07-29 Thread Marcus Bauer
Hello John, thanks for taking the time for writing your answer. On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 18:38 +0800, John Lee wrote: Part of my current work requires me to use fso daily. It seems strange that what I know seems to be different from what you know. * fso does not force you to ASU or closely

Re: GPS application (was: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld)

2008-07-29 Thread rakshat hooja
Moreover the '800 pound gorilla' OM is developing its own gps software and I'm not spending my energy competing with it. OM2007.2 is there, it works and I recommend everybody to develop for it. Best regards, Marcus Not to start a flame war but even I would like to know why Openmoko with

Re: GPS application (was: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld)

2008-07-29 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
Am Dienstag 29 Juli 2008 15:28:56 schrieb rakshat hooja: Moreover the '800 pound gorilla' OM is developing its own gps software and I'm not spending my energy competing with it. OM2007.2 is there, it works and I recommend everybody to develop for it. Best regards, Marcus Not to

Re: GPS application (was: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld)

2008-07-29 Thread Tilman Baumann
rakshat hooja wrote: Moreover the '800 pound gorilla' OM is developing its own gps software and I'm not spending my energy competing with it. OM2007.2 is there, it works and I recommend everybody to develop for it. Best regards, Marcus Not to start a flame

Re: GPS application (was: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld)

2008-07-29 Thread Marcus Bauer
On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 15:46 +0200, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: Am Dienstag 29 Juli 2008 15:28:56 schrieb rakshat hooja: Moreover the '800 pound gorilla' OM is developing its own gps software and I'm not spending my energy competing with it. Not to start a flame war but even I would

Re: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld

2008-07-29 Thread Tim Coggins
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 1:29 PM, Marcus Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: from tangogps. Moreover the '800 pound gorilla' OM is developing its own gps software and I'm not spending my energy competing with it. OM2007.2 is there, it works and I recommend everybody to develop for it. Marcus,

Re: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld

2008-07-29 Thread Yorick Moko
Just to let you know: I really like Tango GPS. On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 5:26 PM, Tim Coggins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 1:29 PM, Marcus Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: from tangogps. Moreover the '800 pound gorilla' OM is developing its own gps software and I'm not

Re: GPS application (was: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld)

2008-07-29 Thread rakshat hooja
Please see Daniel Willmann's announcement for more details. Cheers, -- :M: Thanks for the reply and my apologies if I mis-understood something/ got the facts wrong . I will wait for Daniel Willmann's announcement. @Marcus - My main job is to sell the Neo ( I work for a distributor) and

Re: GPS application (was: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld)

2008-07-29 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
Am Dienstag 29 Juli 2008 18:19:32 schrieb rakshat hooja: Please see Daniel Willmann's announcement for more details. Cheers, -- :M: Thanks for the reply and my apologies if I mis-understood something/ got the facts wrong . I will wait for Daniel Willmann's announcement. It has been

Re: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld

2008-07-29 Thread Marcus Bauer
On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 16:26 +0100, Tim Coggins wrote: On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 1:29 PM, Marcus Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: from tangogps. Moreover the '800 pound gorilla' OM is developing its own gps software and I'm not spending my energy competing with it. OM2007.2 is there, it

Re: GPS application (was: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld)

2008-07-29 Thread Marcus Bauer
On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 21:49 +0530, rakshat hooja wrote: @Marcus - My main job is to sell the Neo ( I work for a distributor) and tangoGPS is the application that impresses my clients (and me) the most (even though we hardly have OSM data for India!). I would love to see it continue to be

Re: GPS application (was: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld)

2008-07-29 Thread Jay Vaughan
@Marcus - My main job is to sell the Neo ( I work for a distributor) and tangoGPS is the application that impresses my clients (and me) the most (even though we hardly have OSM data for India!). I would love to see it continue to be developed. (Offline maps is something that people

Re: GPS application (was: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld)

2008-07-29 Thread Shawn Rutledge
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 11:06 AM, Jay Vaughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I hope you come up with good data for India. I always wanted to have a map of the entire world available in my pocket, so maybe we get closer and closer to that .. ;) planet.osm.bz2 is 4.2 gigs now, but that's why there

Re: GPS application (was: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld)

2008-07-29 Thread Marcus Bauer
On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 16:47 +0200, Tilman Baumann wrote: Well, i like tangoGPS very much. But it is hardly a comprehensive solution. First it's only a tile viewer for online maps. No routing, no offline maps. I'm a huge Openstreetmap fan but until OSM is ready for routing this will take at

Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld (fwd)

2008-07-29 Thread lpotter
Marcus Bauer writes: FSO is the brainchild of Dr. Michael Lauer, fresh from the university's ivory tower but lacking any industry experience. I may not agree with using python on a phone, but Michael has quite a lot of industry experience, I first got to know him was back in the days of

Re: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld

2008-07-29 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 7/29/08 Marcus Bauer wrote: On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 15:33 -0700, steve wrote: Of course!!! Every toolkit is allowed. The whole point about FSO is to free people to pick their toolkit! The opposite is true. FSO forces you into ASU. It basically makes all work that has been put into

RE: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld

2008-07-28 Thread steve
Of course!!! Every toolkit is allowed. The whole point about FSO is to free people to pick their toolkit! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michele Renda Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 9:59 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion

RE: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld

2008-07-28 Thread Marcus Bauer
On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 15:33 -0700, steve wrote: Of course!!! Every toolkit is allowed. The whole point about FSO is to free people to pick their toolkit! The opposite is true. FSO forces you into ASU. It basically makes all work that has been put into OM2007.2 useless. Please stop telling

RE: Request for help: Would like community applications to show anddiscuss at LinuxWorld

2008-07-28 Thread Kristian 'kriss' Mueller
Am Dienstag, den 29.07.2008, 00:46 +0200 schrieb Marcus Bauer: On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 15:33 -0700, steve wrote: Of course!!! Every toolkit is allowed. The whole point about FSO is to free people to pick their toolkit! The opposite is true. FSO forces you into ASU. It basically makes all