Re: TomTom on Openmoko?
Hi, On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 09:40:05 +0100 "Alessandro Iurlano" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My area too is poorly mapped. But what I think is that once someone > start using a commercial program because they need it, they will never > get back to a free project if it is not yet able to deliver the same > service. > My understanding is that the development of free projects is started > and driven by a need. If needs are fulfilled by another program, the > effort that is put in developing the free project lowers considerably. > > I really look forward for an Openmoko application able to display and > let me update OSM (by gathering gps data or directly on the road). > > In my opinion OSM is not only about replacing non-free mapping data. Information can also be added which is not considered to be worth to be added by the comercial map providers. When I'm traveling by bicycle I check for OSM availability because if there is good OSM data available these maps are often better for cyclists, than many non-free maps. So I think there are needs which won't be easily fulfilled by non-free maps. The bicycle stuff is just an example. Greetings Andreas Kemnade signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: TomTom on Openmoko?
On 28/03/2008, Dan Johansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The data and the mapping application are really two diffrent products. > > The real freedom of choice comes from having a mapping application > that can use data from any provider, whether its commercial or open > source. agreed. tangogps.org can use - OSM data - googlemaps data (ssshhh!!) JW ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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The data and the mapping application are really two diffrent products. The real freedom of choice comes from having a mapping application that can use data from any provider, wether its commercial or open source. I think eventually, OSM will be the way to go, but until then its not usable by everybody. A huge benefit is the ability to update routes/maps quickly. In Minneapolis, my Garmin device keeps routing me over the 35w bridge that collapsed last fall. But since they release map updates about once a year, The new bridge will be in place by the time they change that route. With OSM data, that route could be quickly updated. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: TomTom on Openmoko?
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) ha scritto: > Another thing... I don't think that in Italy (and other countries I > guess) all the municipalities have digital map archives of their roads > (or simply of their environment) since some cities like Arezzo (my > province) had to organize an (official = launched by the municipality > itself) OSM mapping party with people moving around with GPS devices [1] > to map their environment (and I neither know how are actually managed > the informations in local cadastres). That's not correct: in fact, the mapping party was the occasion to free municipality data (which were not yet imported into OSM, I think because of their problematic data structure, but they will be soon). I insist: OSM is driving various entities to fee theri data, and this too is a great success of OSM. pc -- Paolo Cavallini, see: http://www.faunalia.it/pc Noi ci troviamo con parecchie difficoltà con NGI http://www.ngi.it/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: TomTom on Openmoko?
http://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=16826 they got the tomtom applikation running on zaurus linux Sebastian Hammerl schrieb: Hi, as far as i know on the TomTom go devices is running Linux. So would it be possible to rip out the TomTom applikation and get it to work on Openmoko phone? It would be a great GPS application. http://opentom.org/ - Projekt runnling apps on the TomTom Device. Why not do it the other way? Sebastian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Re: TomTom on Openmoko?
Alessandro Iurlano wrote: My area too is poorly mapped. But what I think is that once someone start using a commercial program because they need it, they will never get back to a free project if it is not yet able to deliver the same service. That's untrue for me: also if sometimes I started using a closed tool, I always looked for an open one as replacement (also if it was missing of some features). For example, when I put linux in my actual notebook there was no working free 3d drivers for my ATi card, but I needed 3d functionalities (and sometimes you can't simply not to use a thing since there's no a free software for it, unfortunately) so I had to use the fglrx drivers for some time; anyway I was always following the r300 project waiting for a working driver (and trying to help them with bug reports and so...). BTW as soon as a working 3d driver has been pushed on git I've immediately switched to the free/open solution also if it was (at the beginning) harder to use, slower and missing of some features. This is just an example, but it is similar to the mapping thing. I'll have no problem to use commercial maps at the beginning if I *need* to travel un _unknown places_, but as I've said I'll take my part in helping OSM. My understanding is that the development of free projects is started and driven by a need. If needs are fulfilled by another program, the effort that is put in developing the free project lowers considerably. If you look at the example above, this is wrong: in drivers the efforts have grown and many people switched to the open solution. I really look forward for an Openmoko application able to display and let me update OSM (by gathering gps data or directly on the road). I'll be happy to see something like that too... Another thing... I don't think that in Italy (and other countries I guess) all the municipalities have digital map archives of their roads (or simply of their environment) since some cities like Arezzo (my province) had to organize an (official = launched by the municipality itself) OSM mapping party with people moving around with GPS devices [1] to map their environment (and I neither know how are actually managed the informations in local cadastres). So this would make the things harder, since in many countries it won't easily happen what has happened in Holland. :( [1] http://tinyurl.com/2wpvcp -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Re: TomTom on Openmoko?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | My area too is poorly mapped. But what I think is that once someone | start using a commercial program because they need it, they will never | get back to a free project if it is not yet able to deliver the same | service. | My understanding is that the development of free projects is started | and driven by a need. If needs are fulfilled by another program, the | effort that is put in developing the free project lowers considerably. | | I really look forward for an Openmoko application able to display and | let me update OSM (by gathering gps data or directly on the road). I agree, this thread made me pretty curious about that possibility. It seems all you need is GPS polling and logging into simple XML to make the road data, and it is a separate step that can be done cooperatively with your browser to annotate it. So although I just speak for myself and did not use the GPS function yet or know anything about it, I would really imagine the GPS data collection end while you drive or walk around will come along because it is simple and valuable. I think when discussing OSM we have to add "...today" to everything, as in "my area is poorly mapped... today": it clearly evolves fast and even a modest density of GPS collecting folk will fill it in over time... I mean you can just go for a long and rather fractal walk around your village or town with Freerunner in your pocket and -- bang. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkfsttYACgkQOjLpvpq7dMrdkACeI2IADu4ev40W8yXWSjm6BjG4 2dAAoJQZPWIy0nz0zie9WWhn5CxQatt/ =3Ixy -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: TomTom on Openmoko?
My area too is poorly mapped. But what I think is that once someone start using a commercial program because they need it, they will never get back to a free project if it is not yet able to deliver the same service. My understanding is that the development of free projects is started and driven by a need. If needs are fulfilled by another program, the effort that is put in developing the free project lowers considerably. I really look forward for an Openmoko application able to display and let me update OSM (by gathering gps data or directly on the road). Alessandro On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 12:21 AM, ramsesoriginal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I can't do anything but quote Marco on this: If you look at the area > where I live (South Tyrol, Italy), there are entire valleys missing. I > am more then willing to upload data to OSM, bnut till the data is > there, i have to navigate somehow.. > > > > On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 11:44 PM, "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Alessandro Iurlano wrote: > > >> Anyway I accept the idea of using commercial apps/maps until there's > > >> nothing of usable for free and freely, since generally such tools > become > > >> useful when we're traveling in unknown places, and so that we can't > map > > >> on OMS without the help of others! > > >> > > > > > > If everyone thinks this way, there will never be an usable OSM. > > > > What's wrong? I've said that I will help OSM to grow doing my part in > > mapping the areas I know and where I'll go, but if I'll need to travel > > where I've no maps, why couldn't I use a commercial map I've bought > > (running on free software)? > > > > OSM won't grow if people will definitely use commercial maps, not if > > they use them as a temporary tool! > > > > > > > > -- > > Treviño's World - Life and Linux > > http://www.3v1n0.net/ > > > > > > ___ > > > > > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > > -- > > My corner of the web: http://blog.ramsesoriginal.org > > ___ > > > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: TomTom on Openmoko?
Rod Whitby ha scritto: [snip] One not shared by OpenMoko Inc. it seems ... There are many people who are idealistic about free software. There are many people who are idealistic about open source software. There are many people who use/develop both free/opensource software and commercial software. I don't think it's useful to try and push people into only one of those categories. You make your own choice, and feel free to shout the benefits of that choice to others. But please don't try and make my choice for me, or try and convince me that my choice is any better or worse than your choice. -- Rod I totally agree with you, i develop freesoftware, at work i always try to say "can i release this tool under GPL?" i've already been paied to develop that software, my company don't sell that software, it's for internal use, so why not? Well sometimes i get a "yes you can" as an answer, sometimes not. I love the idea of a totally free software society, but getting to reality some project doesn't meet my needs. OSM for example is not so good for Italy, i'm mapping my city with some of my friends, ok, but i have to travel in other areas so if they are not supported by OSM i have to choose a closed solution, why not? I'll continue to map for the OSM porject. This discussion is the same for the Neo: you want a ready to use PDA now? get another one, if you want the Neo you have to wait the GTA02 and the you have to work to fix some bugs. For the software is: you want a detailed, ready to use navigator? if you live in some country OSM is not for yuor needs. There is nothing wrong. Another example is you want to talk to your friends with skype? Why not if can (legally) port skype to the neo? There are other software like that one? yes, but my frineds uses windows with skype. Same for msn chat account and so on. So nothing wrong to not prevent the adoption of closed source software, it's a choice (you know... freedom of choice). Cya! Pietro ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: TomTom on Openmoko?
Michele Renda wrote: If you think is so good write to TomTom firm and ask them to make a port of their software to OpenMoko: I think it is a work of their programmer to make this work, not of OpenMoko team. They are already working a lot to try to make their device most open as possible. And I think is not their goals to make TomTom available in OpenMoko. On the contrary, Sean Moss-Pultz has repeatedly sent messages to this very list stating that OpenMoko welcomes commercial applications. Making a device as open as possible, and supporting commercial applications on that device, are *not* conflicting positions. My opinion One not shared by OpenMoko Inc. it seems ... There are many people who are idealistic about free software. There are many people who are idealistic about open source software. There are many people who use/develop both free/opensource software and commercial software. I don't think it's useful to try and push people into only one of those categories. You make your own choice, and feel free to shout the benefits of that choice to others. But please don't try and make my choice for me, or try and convince me that my choice is any better or worse than your choice. -- Rod ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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I can't do anything but quote Marco on this: If you look at the area where I live (South Tyrol, Italy), there are entire valleys missing. I am more then willing to upload data to OSM, bnut till the data is there, i have to navigate somehow.. On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 11:44 PM, "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Alessandro Iurlano wrote: > >> Anyway I accept the idea of using commercial apps/maps until there's > >> nothing of usable for free and freely, since generally such tools become > >> useful when we're traveling in unknown places, and so that we can't map > >> on OMS without the help of others! > >> > > > > If everyone thinks this way, there will never be an usable OSM. > > What's wrong? I've said that I will help OSM to grow doing my part in > mapping the areas I know and where I'll go, but if I'll need to travel > where I've no maps, why couldn't I use a commercial map I've bought > (running on free software)? > > OSM won't grow if people will definitely use commercial maps, not if > they use them as a temporary tool! > > > > -- > Treviño's World - Life and Linux > http://www.3v1n0.net/ > > > ___ > > > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- My corner of the web: http://blog.ramsesoriginal.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: TomTom on Openmoko?
Alessandro Iurlano wrote: Anyway I accept the idea of using commercial apps/maps until there's nothing of usable for free and freely, since generally such tools become useful when we're traveling in unknown places, and so that we can't map on OMS without the help of others! If everyone thinks this way, there will never be an usable OSM. What's wrong? I've said that I will help OSM to grow doing my part in mapping the areas I know and where I'll go, but if I'll need to travel where I've no maps, why couldn't I use a commercial map I've bought (running on free software)? OSM won't grow if people will definitely use commercial maps, not if they use them as a temporary tool! -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: TomTom on Openmoko?
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 10:14 PM, "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: > >> ... as for navigation.. well, isn't there a libgarmin that can read > >> garmin maps directly? Can't NavIt do this now? > > > > There is and NavIt can use it. > > In fact, this is the right temporary (?) solution imho! > I hope I'll be able to run Navit with commercial garmin maps (rendered > by libgarmin) at the beginning... Then I'll hope to use OSM. > Of course I think I'll use my Freerunner to map my area! > > Anyway I accept the idea of using commercial apps/maps until there's > nothing of usable for free and freely, since generally such tools become > useful when we're traveling in unknown places, and so that we can't map > on OMS without the help of others! > If everyone thinks this way, there will never be an usable OSM. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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| it is NOT a navigation software and it will take long time to get it really stable. tomtom is really good software and the maps are really better. If you think is so good write to TomTom firm and ask them to make a port of their software to OpenMoko: I think it is a work of their programmer to make this work, not of OpenMoko team. They are already working a lot to try to make their device most open as possible. And I think is not their goals to make TomTom available in OpenMoko. My opinion ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: ... as for navigation.. well, isn't there a libgarmin that can read garmin maps directly? Can't NavIt do this now? There is and NavIt can use it. In fact, this is the right temporary (?) solution imho! I hope I'll be able to run Navit with commercial garmin maps (rendered by libgarmin) at the beginning... Then I'll hope to use OSM. Of course I think I'll use my Freerunner to map my area! Anyway I accept the idea of using commercial apps/maps until there's nothing of usable for free and freely, since generally such tools become useful when we're traveling in unknown places, and so that we can't map on OMS without the help of others! -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: TomTom on Openmoko?
On 3/27/08, David Pottage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thu, March 27, 2008 1:33 pm, Christ van Willegen wrote: > > > Have you seen the progress that's been made in The Netherlands? > > > > i.e.: > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.375&lon=5.24898&zoom=17&layers=B0FT > > (yes, there are houses on there...) > > It is very good. Presumably data from a Dutch publicly funded mapping > agency has been uploaded into the OSM databases. > > By comparison if you zoom out an scroll south until you get to the border > with Belgium, the situation is very different. Major towns are just dots > on the map with perhaps the road thought the center but nothing else. The > situation for France appears to be even worse. The motorway network > appears to be complete, but much of the national trunk road network is > missing, let alone most towns and local roads. If you attempted to use an > OSM based satellite navigation system for a journey across France you > would not get very far. > > What I am saying is that the OSM project looks promising and is a great > idea, but without major contributions from big publicly funded databases > it is only ever going to be a collection of small areas with good detail > separated by vast areas where just major roads are shown. Unlike a > software project like Linux the contributions from a few hundread talented > developers will never be enough. Unless a public body pays for it, The > only way for a particular town to get mapped is for an OSM enthusiast > _in_that_town_ to spend a lot of their time recording routes along every > street, and then editing it all together. I just don't think there will be > enough enthusiasts do do that outside major university towns. > > -- > David Pottage > > Error compiling committee.c To many arguments to function. > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > I disagree. At the moment, very few people have GPS equipped devices. This will change rapidly in the future as GPS chips become the next thing being put into every mobile phone. I am sure that Open Streetmap will start to grow as fast as Wikipedia, then, and soon be unbeatable in being up-to-date and complete. Just look at how fascinated people were and are with Google Earth! If it's pretty easy for them to contribute, many will. At this point I don't worry about how complete OSM is. I worry about how I can contribute to make it more complete! Sounds like it's already possible to gather data for it with the Neo. I'll start asap. Ortwin ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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OSM - sorry about offtopic - growth of OSM data animations http://www.jabberworld.org/osm/ - from a standing start only 3 years ago i think progress is impressive - fast flash viewer for OSM - http://www.afcomponents.com/components/umap_as3/ - GTA03 (with camera) will be ultimate OSM tool JW ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: TomTom on Openmoko?
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 6:05 PM, David Pottage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thu, March 27, 2008 1:33 pm, Christ van Willegen wrote: > > > Have you seen the progress that's been made in The Netherlands? > > > > i.e.: > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.375&lon=5.24898&zoom=17&layers=B0FT > > (yes, there are houses on there...) > > It is very good. Presumably data from a Dutch publicly funded mapping > agency has been uploaded into the OSM databases. The data has been gven away by a corporation called AND. The houses were sketched in using Yahoo's (free) imagery and a week of someone's free time. > By comparison if you zoom out an scroll south until you get to the border > with Belgium, the situation is very different. Major towns are just dots > on the map with perhaps the road thought the center but nothing else. The > situation for France appears to be even worse. The motorway network > appears to be complete, but much of the national trunk road network is > missing, let alone most towns and local roads. If you attempted to use an > OSM based satellite navigation system for a journey across France you > would not get very far. I agree totally. > What I am saying is that the OSM project looks promising and is a great > idea, but without major contributions from big publicly funded databases > it is only ever going to be a collection of small areas with good detail > separated by vast areas where just major roads are shown. Unlike a > software project like Linux the contributions from a few hundread talented > developers will never be enough. Unless a public body pays for it, The > only way for a particular town to get mapped is for an OSM enthusiast > _in_that_town_ to spend a lot of their time recording routes along every > street, and then editing it all together. I just don't think there will be > enough enthusiasts do do that outside major university towns. Not quite... In january 2009, The Netherlands (or at least, the government) will open its own road database, because European law tells them to do so. I expect taht France, Belgium (excusez le mot) and Poland will have to follow as well. That means, that (if they are indeed forced by European law) starting in 2009 OSM will have coverage for Europa, USA, India and China at the least (the latter 2 datasets were also given away to OSM by AND). Which is quite a big part of the world. It isn't everything, though, and the situation will have to become a lot better before the OSM data set bevomes large enough to be a major player in the martket. But, I expect it will be, since the FreeRunner will do everything it can do make the database better and better (or won't it?) Still, the way I see it is that TomTom uses its proprietary map format, and even though they have MapShare nowadays (users get to update maps on theur devices, and upload this data to TomTom for their own usage), they remain closed to this day. I just hope that the governments can be persuaded to give away their databases (after all, it's my tax money that's in there!) so thet OSM can thrive. Christ van Willegen -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: TomTom on Openmoko?
On Thu, March 27, 2008 1:33 pm, Christ van Willegen wrote: > Have you seen the progress that's been made in The Netherlands? > > i.e.: > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.375&lon=5.24898&zoom=17&layers=B0FT > (yes, there are houses on there...) It is very good. Presumably data from a Dutch publicly funded mapping agency has been uploaded into the OSM databases. By comparison if you zoom out an scroll south until you get to the border with Belgium, the situation is very different. Major towns are just dots on the map with perhaps the road thought the center but nothing else. The situation for France appears to be even worse. The motorway network appears to be complete, but much of the national trunk road network is missing, let alone most towns and local roads. If you attempted to use an OSM based satellite navigation system for a journey across France you would not get very far. What I am saying is that the OSM project looks promising and is a great idea, but without major contributions from big publicly funded databases it is only ever going to be a collection of small areas with good detail separated by vast areas where just major roads are shown. Unlike a software project like Linux the contributions from a few hundread talented developers will never be enough. Unless a public body pays for it, The only way for a particular town to get mapped is for an OSM enthusiast _in_that_town_ to spend a lot of their time recording routes along every street, and then editing it all together. I just don't think there will be enough enthusiasts do do that outside major university towns. -- David Pottage Error compiling committee.c To many arguments to function. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: TomTom on Openmoko?
Marcin Juszkiewicz ha scritto: > Here in Poland I would never try to navigate from point X to point Y with > data only from OSM as they are very fragmental now. never!=now pc -- Paolo Cavallini, see: http://www.faunalia.it/pc Noi ci troviamo con parecchie difficoltà con NGI http://www.ngi.it/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: TomTom on Openmoko?
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 01:54:15PM +0100, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: > Dnia Thursday 27 of March 2008, joerg napisał: > > Am Do 27. März 2008 schrieb Sebastian Hammerl: > > > Hi, > > > > > > as far as i know on the TomTom go devices is running Linux. So would > > > it be possible to rip out the TomTom applikation and get it to work > > > on Openmoko phone? It would be a great GPS application. > > > > Suggest this to TomTom, they probably can do it in a few days. Surely > > it's not feasible for anybody "outside", you have to *compile* the app > > for NEO! > > Compilation is not required probably -- most of TomTom devices use ARM920T > like Neo do... more specifically: they use s3c2410 in their early devices, s3c2440 in their later, and s3c2443 in their top-notch devices. you can't get that much closer. however, their application is written for direct framebuffer access, so that will be somewhat hard to map into our X11-based design. Also, be aware, that anyone doing this will very likely violate their license agreement with tomtom :) -- - Harald Welte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://openmoko.org/ Software for the world's first truly open Free Software mobile phone ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: TomTom on Openmoko?
On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:41:16 +0100 Paolo Cavallini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Marcin Juszkiewicz ha scritto: > > > "Automotive Navigation Data (AND) is a leading provider of > > location, routing, mapping and address management are donating a > > street network of the entire Netherlands. Yes, an entire country." > > > > It was not done by community but by commercial company... > > > so what? the idea behind OSM, as I see it, is not only to produce new > data, but also to put pressure on data holders to set their data free. > OSM has been very successful in Holland and Ireland, and things are > moving fast also here in Italy, where several municipalities are > giving their data to the project. > Anyway, if you do not believe in free software and data, I think you > can be happy with an N95 or similar. > :) > pc There were reports of ordinance survey were looking into giving data in the UK. Also, we have a great phone with GPS, wifi, bluetooth and gsm, why not update it if you find something not on there as you are walking around town? -- Ewan Marshall (ewanm89/Cap_J_L_Picard on irc) http://ewanm89.co.uk/ Geek by nature, Linux by choice. signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: TomTom on Openmoko?
Dnia Thursday 27 of March 2008, Andy Powell napisał: > On Thursday 27 March 2008 13:57, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: > > It was not done by community but by commercial company... > > So what. It's the license that counts. Sure that license is what counts. But I am tired of people telling that Netherlands are good example of how OSM works. It is good example of how commercial companies cooperate with OSM not how good OSM mapping community works. I know that converting it took some time but those mapping data were provided not as raw GPS tracks rather. Here in Poland I would never try to navigate from point X to point Y with data only from OSM as they are very fragmental now. > ... as for navigation.. well, isn't there a libgarmin that can read > garmin maps directly? Can't NavIt do this now? There is and NavIt can use it. -- JID: hrw-jabber.org OpenEmbedded developer/consultant there are actually only 10 web sites out there, all the others are rearranged copies ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: TomTom on Openmoko?
On Thursday 27 March 2008 13:57, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: > > It was not done by community but by commercial company... So what. It's the license that counts. The only thing that surprised me was that OSM didn't shout it from the rooftops. If all it took was a bit of free publicity to get other companies to follow suit - give it to them - the benefit seriously outweights any whoring. ... as for navigation.. well, isn't there a libgarmin that can read garmin maps directly? Can't NavIt do this now? Andy ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: TomTom on Openmoko?
Am Do 27. März 2008 schrieb Sander van Grieken: > > On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Marcus Bauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> And working phone operating systems can be bought from Symbian, Apple > >> and even Microsoft. And yet we develop a new one! > >> > >> The whole point of Open Source is the freedom (and fun) to participate. > > > > That's why I am opposed to running TomTom software on the Freerunner. > > I know their software, and I know their maps, but closed source and > > closed data will not help us forward... > > I disagree. There's a difference between free speech and free beer, and you want the > latter. > > I am willing to pay for high quality maps, because it takes considerable > amount of work to create them and keep them up-to-date, AND it doesn't > impair my 'free speech' freedoms. > I'd rather use an open source navigation software together > with commercial maps than use the tomtom navigation software, because that > WOULD impair my 'free speech' freedom. No, even this actually is perfect. I'd like very much to see TomTom adapt and _sell_ their app to NEO. And of course it's nice to have an OSS-app that is capable to read commercial map data, Teleatlas or brand TomTom (isn't it the same?). And it's damn cool to have community driven map data like OSM with a detail and accuracy that's comparable to commercial data. In no way TomTom will stop OSM progress, when they make "go" available on NEO. It's the other way round: NEO gains popularity with killer apps like GPS-route&guidance, I easily can imagine a lot of people who start by using TomTom, later may consider to migrate to OSM, for actuality / foreign maps / fun, whatever reason. jOERG ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: TomTom on Openmoko?
Marcin Juszkiewicz ha scritto: > "Automotive Navigation Data (AND) is a leading provider of location, > routing, mapping and address management are donating a street network of > the entire Netherlands. Yes, an entire country." > > It was not done by community but by commercial company... > so what? the idea behind OSM, as I see it, is not only to produce new data, but also to put pressure on data holders to set their data free. OSM has been very successful in Holland and Ireland, and things are moving fast also here in Italy, where several municipalities are giving their data to the project. Anyway, if you do not believe in free software and data, I think you can be happy with an N95 or similar. :) pc -- Paolo Cavallini, see: http://www.faunalia.it/pc Noi ci troviamo con parecchie difficoltà con NGI http://www.ngi.it/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: TomTom on Openmoko?
Joseph Reeves schrieb: > Navigation and OSM data submittal? > > What's wrong with tangogps? Sounds like it already does what you ask for: > > it is NOT a navigation software and it will take long time to get it really stable. tomtom is really good software and the maps are really better. > http://www.tangogps.org/ > > Joseph > > > > On 27/03/2008, ramsesoriginal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I am of the idea that a navigation system would be THE killer-app for >> the openmoko, and I personally know many persons that would also pay >> extra money to have a navigator on a phone. We have various >> possibilities: we could try to make some sort of deal with TomTom, >> write our own system based on OSM (and btw we could let the openmokos >> submit data to osm at the same time to increase accuracy), or (and >> that's my favorite) we could try to make something based on google >> maps/earth. The whole engime is already there[1], as are also the >> maps. Just make some changes to add gps capabilities, and it's great! >> >> 2008/3/27 Marcin Juszkiewicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> >> >>> Dnia Thursday 27 of March 2008, Christ van Willegen napisa?: >>> >> > >> > > Hi, >> > > >> > > On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Sebastian Hammerl >> > > >> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > > > as far as i know on the TomTom go devices is running Linux. So would >> > > > it be possible to rip out the TomTom applikation and get it to work >> > > > on Openmoko phone? It would be a great GPS application. >> > > >> > > Why not use tangoGPS and OpenStreetMap maps? >> > >> > Because OSM maps suxx? Lack details, lack streets, lack too many things >> to >> > be usable? >> > >> > OSM is nice idea but it is only idea. It will never replace commercial >> > maps. >> > >> > >> > -- >> > JID: hrw-jabber.org >> > OpenEmbedded developer/consultant >> > >> > We're here to give you a computer, not a religion. >> > -- Bob Pariseau, at the introduction of the Amiga >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ___ >> > Openmoko community mailing list >> > community@lists.openmoko.org >> > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> [1]http://www.google.com/gmm/index.html >> >> -- >> My corner of the web: http://blog.ramsesoriginal.org >> >> ___ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community@lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community@lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: TomTom on Openmoko?
On Thursday 27 March 2008 15:05:58 Christ van Willegen wrote: > On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Marcus Bauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > And working phone operating systems can be bought from Symbian, Apple > > and even Microsoft. And yet we develop a new one! > > > > The whole point of Open Source is the freedom (and fun) to participate. > > That's why I am opposed to running TomTom software on the Freerunner. > I know their software, and I know their maps, but closed source and > closed data will not help us forward... Sorry FREEdom is choice. If I want to pay TomTom for the quality of their maps I want to be free to do so. So chosing closed stuff is choice of the beholder. Hence I think you should not oppose but rather NOT choose to install TomTom. However if your opposition to bring it onto the freerunner limits my choice I think you are wrong. Wim > Christ van Willegen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: TomTom on Openmoko?
Marcin Juszkiewicz ha scritto: > Because OSM maps suxx? Lack details, lack streets, lack too many things to > be usable? > > OSM is nice idea but it is only idea. It will never replace commercial > maps. hahaha! have you seen Holland on OSM recently? haha! pc -- Paolo Cavallini, see: http://www.faunalia.it/pc Noi ci troviamo con parecchie difficoltà con NGI http://www.ngi.it/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: TomTom on Openmoko?
> On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Marcus Bauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> And working phone operating systems can be bought from Symbian, Apple >> and even Microsoft. And yet we develop a new one! >> >> The whole point of Open Source is the freedom (and fun) to participate. > > That's why I am opposed to running TomTom software on the Freerunner. > I know their software, and I know their maps, but closed source and > closed data will not help us forward... I disagree. There's a difference between free speech and free beer, and you want the latter. I am willing to pay for high quality maps, because it takes considerable amount of work to create them and keep them up-to-date, AND it doesn't impair my 'free speech' freedoms. I'd rather use an open source navigation software together with commercial maps than use the tomtom navigation software, because that WOULD impair my 'free speech' freedom. grtz, Sander ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
submit data to OSM (was: Re: TomTom on Openmoko?)
On Thu, 2008-03-27 at 08:36 -0500, Tim Shannon wrote: > Does tangogps submit data to OSM as well, because that would be great. Yes, you can to load the track logs into the JOSM editor, give them a quick check and upload to OSM. > I'd imaging that the quality of data in OSM would greatly increase > after the Freerunner gets released. Indeed! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: TomTom on Openmoko?
On Thu, 2008-03-27 at 14:57 +0100, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: > It was not done by community but by commercial company... > But *now* it is Creative Commons licensed! And to see what the community does within one year, here another nice link, showing how Munich grew in an animated gif. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Image:Munich_0608to0709b_small.gif Enjoy! - and join openstreetmap today! :-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: TomTom on Openmoko?
2008/3/27 Marcin Juszkiewicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Dnia Thursday 27 of March 2008, Christ van Willegen napisał: > > > > OSM is nice idea but it is only idea. It will never replace > > > commercial maps. > > > > Have you seen the progress that's been made in The Netherlands? > > Have you seen how it was done? Ofcourse. I was there when the data was donated... > "Automotive Navigation Data (AND) is a leading provider of location, > routing, mapping and address management are donating a street network of > the entire Netherlands. Yes, an entire country." > > It was not done by community but by commercial company... The community has put a tremendous amount of work into getting the data converted, rendered, adaptable for further uses (for instance adding bicycle or pedestrian routes) and is busy making it easier to correct data in the field. Whole villages and cities have been mapped by the community in the past. The Freerunner (and other phones/smartphones/laptops/etc...) that can be adapted to upload data to OpenStreetMap will only make things _better_, not worse. Christ van Willegen -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
OSM maps (was: Re: TomTom on Openmoko?)
On Thu, 2008-03-27 at 14:46 +0100, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: > > The coverage of the Netherlands has already commercial quality (go and > > have a look) - actually it is already better than commercial data and > > in the US the governments TIGER data has been imported. > > Compare that with other parts of world. Okay, check out the following links: http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=33.319914,44.403477&spn=0.097541,0.160675&z=13 http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=33.3285&lon=44.3873&zoom=13&layers=B0FT This is twice Baghdad, once Google maps and once OSM. If you happen to live in a place where TeleAtlas gives a sh*t about, you wont get any maps at all. If you now check google, than you will see that TeleAtlas gives sh*t about two thirds of the world. I can't see, why the european governments don't publish their street data - which was already paid by the tax payers, i.e. us. Thus if Poland has no good data, just write an email to the political parties and ask them why not give the data to OSM? I think this is the power of open source! The democratic empowerment of everybody - not just people living in first world countries. And last not least OSM starts to get there where Wikipedia already is: map that are up to date. See this link for the new terminal in London-Heathrow: http://www.opengeodata.org/?p=286 And last not lest a link to mapping in second/third world countries: http://www.opengeodata.org/?p=285 The Open Source Movement at its best! Best regards, Marcus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: TomTom on Openmoko?
ramsesoriginal wrote: I am of the idea that a navigation system would be THE killer-app for the openmoko, and I personally know many persons that would also pay extra money to have a navigator on a phone. We have various possibilities: we could try to make some sort of deal with TomTom, write our own system based on OSM (and btw we could let the openmokos submit data to osm at the same time to increase accuracy), or (and that's my favorite) we could try to make something based on google maps/earth. The whole engime is already there[1], as are also the maps. Just make some changes to add gps capabilities, and it's great! You *may not* use Google Maps data to make navigation systems like that. Check the Terms & Conditions. This is why OSM was created. You have a GPS, start contributing to OSM. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: TomTom on Openmoko?
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Marcus Bauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And working phone operating systems can be bought from Symbian, Apple > and even Microsoft. And yet we develop a new one! > > The whole point of Open Source is the freedom (and fun) to participate. That's why I am opposed to running TomTom software on the Freerunner. I know their software, and I know their maps, but closed source and closed data will not help us forward... Christ van Willegen -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: TomTom on Openmoko?
Dnia Thursday 27 of March 2008, Christ van Willegen napisał: > > OSM is nice idea but it is only idea. It will never replace > > commercial maps. > > Have you seen the progress that's been made in The Netherlands? Have you seen how it was done? http://www.opengeodata.org/?p=223 "Automotive Navigation Data (AND) is a leading provider of location, routing, mapping and address management are donating a street network of the entire Netherlands. Yes, an entire country." It was not done by community but by commercial company... -- JID: hrw-jabber.org OpenEmbedded developer/consultant Progress (n.): The process through which the Internet has evolved from smart people in front of dumb terminals to dumb people in front of smart terminals. [obscurity] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: TomTom on Openmoko?
On Thu, 2008-03-27 at 14:38 +0100, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: > Dnia Thursday 27 of March 2008, ramsesoriginal napisał: > > > I am of the idea that a navigation system would be THE killer-app for > > the openmoko, and I personally know many persons that would also pay > > extra money to have a navigator on a phone. > > > We have various possibilities: we could try to make some sort of deal > > with TomTom, > > Maps can be bought from TeleAtlas. And working phone operating systems can be bought from Symbian, Apple and even Microsoft. And yet we develop a new one! The whole point of Open Source is the freedom (and fun) to participate. Marcus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: TomTom on Openmoko?
Dnia Thursday 27 of March 2008, Marcus Bauer napisał: > On Thu, 2008-03-27 at 14:05 +0100, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: > > Because OSM maps suxx? Lack details, lack streets, lack too many > > things to be usable? > > > > OSM is nice idea but it is only idea. It will never replace > > commercial maps. > Hey, why even buy a Neo? Compared to any other phone it "suxx". It > will never replace commercial phones like a Nokia N95 or and an iphone. > > Or will it? :^))) Not in current state of software. During year lot of things changed but it still need more time. I still prefer my SE k750i phone then GTA01. > The coverage of the Netherlands has already commercial quality (go and > have a look) - actually it is already better than commercial data and > in the US the governments TIGER data has been imported. Compare that with other parts of world. Each time when I look at Poland I see that OSM has some data, Google Maps has all (not actual in some places), AutoMapa has quite actual maps. I do not live in Netherlands (which maps were given by commercial organization). > Looking how OSM evolved in the last two years, I'm sure it will in two > more year cover many parts of the world better than commercial maps. > Coming back to my first question: I hope that the Neo's will be the > better alternative compared to N95 and iphone. That's why we are all > here. I hope that GTA03 will be better alternative then N95/iPhone (or rather their newer versions) too. -- JID: hrw-jabber.org OpenEmbedded developer/consultant Warning: Dates in calendar are closer than they appear. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: TomTom on Openmoko?
Does anyone know how m 2008/3/27 Marcin Juszkiewicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Dnia Thursday 27 of March 2008, ramsesoriginal napisał: > > > > I am of the idea that a navigation system would be THE killer-app for > > the openmoko, and I personally know many persons that would also pay > > extra money to have a navigator on a phone. > > > We have various possibilities: we could try to make some sort of deal > > with TomTom, > > Maps can be bought from TeleAtlas. > > > > write our own system based on OSM (and btw we could let the openmokos > > submit data to osm at the same time to increase accuracy), > > Raw tracks do not make maps - someone have to edit them... > > > > or (and that's my favorite) we could try to make something based on > > google maps/earth. The whole engime is already there (google maps > > mobile), as are also the maps. Just make some changes to add gps > > > capabilities, and it's great! > > Did you read rules of using Google Maps data? > > -- > > JID: hrw-jabber.org > OpenEmbedded developer/consultant > > If you can't learn to do it well, learn to enjoy doing it badly. > -- Ashleigh Brilliant > > > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: TomTom on Openmoko?
> Dnia Thursday 27 of March 2008, joerg napisa³: >> Am Do 27. März 2008 schrieb Sebastian Hammerl: >> > Hi, >> > >> > as far as i know on the TomTom go devices is running Linux. So would >> > it be possible to rip out the TomTom applikation and get it to work >> > on Openmoko phone? It would be a great GPS application. >> >> Suggest this to TomTom, they probably can do it in a few days. Surely >> it's not feasible for anybody "outside", you have to *compile* the app >> for NEO! > > Compilation is not required probably -- most of TomTom devices use ARM920T > like Neo do... Nope, but we need a compat layer to provide ABI compatible symbols for the (older) libraries and kernel they use. Also, the tomtom license agreement states you may only use the software on 1 device, so you'll need to remove it from the original tomtom device.. grtz, Sander ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: TomTom on Openmoko?
Ok, this is really cool. I don't even noticed it 'till know :D 2008/3/27 Joseph Reeves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Navigation and OSM data submittal? > > What's wrong with tangogps? Sounds like it already does what you ask for: > > http://www.tangogps.org/ > > Joseph > > > > > > On 27/03/2008, ramsesoriginal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I am of the idea that a navigation system would be THE killer-app for > > the openmoko, and I personally know many persons that would also pay > > extra money to have a navigator on a phone. We have various > > possibilities: we could try to make some sort of deal with TomTom, > > write our own system based on OSM (and btw we could let the openmokos > > submit data to osm at the same time to increase accuracy), or (and > > that's my favorite) we could try to make something based on google > > maps/earth. The whole engime is already there[1], as are also the > > maps. Just make some changes to add gps capabilities, and it's great! > > > > 2008/3/27 Marcin Juszkiewicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > Dnia Thursday 27 of March 2008, Christ van Willegen napisał: > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Sebastian Hammerl > > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > as far as i know on the TomTom go devices is running Linux. So > would > > > > > it be possible to rip out the TomTom applikation and get it to work > > > > > on Openmoko phone? It would be a great GPS application. > > > > > > > > Why not use tangoGPS and OpenStreetMap maps? > > > > > > Because OSM maps suxx? Lack details, lack streets, lack too many > things to > > > be usable? > > > > > > OSM is nice idea but it is only idea. It will never replace commercial > > > maps. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > JID: hrw-jabber.org > > > OpenEmbedded developer/consultant > > > > > > We're here to give you a computer, not a religion. > > > -- Bob Pariseau, at the introduction of the > Amiga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > Openmoko community mailing list > > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > [1]http://www.google.com/gmm/index.html > > > > -- > > My corner of the web: http://blog.ramsesoriginal.org > > > > ___ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > -- My corner of the web: http://blog.ramsesoriginal.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: TomTom on Openmoko?
Dnia Thursday 27 of March 2008, ramsesoriginal napisał: > I am of the idea that a navigation system would be THE killer-app for > the openmoko, and I personally know many persons that would also pay > extra money to have a navigator on a phone. > We have various possibilities: we could try to make some sort of deal > with TomTom, Maps can be bought from TeleAtlas. > write our own system based on OSM (and btw we could let the openmokos > submit data to osm at the same time to increase accuracy), Raw tracks do not make maps - someone have to edit them... > or (and that's my favorite) we could try to make something based on > google maps/earth. The whole engime is already there (google maps > mobile), as are also the maps. Just make some changes to add gps > capabilities, and it's great! Did you read rules of using Google Maps data? -- JID: hrw-jabber.org OpenEmbedded developer/consultant If you can't learn to do it well, learn to enjoy doing it badly. -- Ashleigh Brilliant ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: TomTom on Openmoko?
Does tangogps submit data to OSM as well, because that would be great. I'd imaging that the quality of data in OSM would greatly increase after the Freerunner gets released. 2008/3/27 Joseph Reeves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Navigation and OSM data submittal? > > What's wrong with tangogps? Sounds like it already does what you ask for: > > http://www.tangogps.org/ > > Joseph > > > > > > On 27/03/2008, ramsesoriginal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I am of the idea that a navigation system would be THE killer-app for > > the openmoko, and I personally know many persons that would also pay > > extra money to have a navigator on a phone. We have various > > possibilities: we could try to make some sort of deal with TomTom, > > write our own system based on OSM (and btw we could let the openmokos > > submit data to osm at the same time to increase accuracy), or (and > > that's my favorite) we could try to make something based on google > > maps/earth. The whole engime is already there[1], as are also the > > maps. Just make some changes to add gps capabilities, and it's great! > > > > 2008/3/27 Marcin Juszkiewicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > Dnia Thursday 27 of March 2008, Christ van Willegen napisał: > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Sebastian Hammerl > > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > as far as i know on the TomTom go devices is running Linux. So > would > > > > > it be possible to rip out the TomTom applikation and get it to work > > > > > on Openmoko phone? It would be a great GPS application. > > > > > > > > Why not use tangoGPS and OpenStreetMap maps? > > > > > > Because OSM maps suxx? Lack details, lack streets, lack too many > things to > > > be usable? > > > > > > OSM is nice idea but it is only idea. It will never replace commercial > > > maps. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > JID: hrw-jabber.org > > > OpenEmbedded developer/consultant > > > > > > We're here to give you a computer, not a religion. > > > -- Bob Pariseau, at the introduction of the > Amiga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > Openmoko community mailing list > > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > [1]http://www.google.com/gmm/index.html > > > > -- > > My corner of the web: http://blog.ramsesoriginal.org > > > > ___ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: TomTom on Openmoko?
Hi, 2008/3/27 Marcin Juszkiewicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Dnia Thursday 27 of March 2008, Christ van Willegen napisał: > > Why not use tangoGPS and OpenStreetMap maps? > > Because OSM maps suxx? Lack details, lack streets, lack too many things to > be usable? > > OSM is nice idea but it is only idea. It will never replace commercial > maps. Have you seen the progress that's been made in The Netherlands? i.e.: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.375&lon=5.24898&zoom=17&layers=B0FT (yes, there are houses on there...) http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.38988&lon=4.93263&zoom=16&layers=B0FT (cycle and pedestrian paths in parks) Christ van Willegen -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: TomTom on Openmoko?
Am Do 27. März 2008 schrieb Marcin Juszkiewicz: > Dnia Thursday 27 of March 2008, joerg napisał: > > Am Do 27. März 2008 schrieb Sebastian Hammerl: > > > Hi, > > > > > > as far as i know on the TomTom go devices is running Linux. So would > > > it be possible to rip out the TomTom applikation and get it to work > > > on Openmoko phone? It would be a great GPS application. > > > > Suggest this to TomTom, they probably can do it in a few days. Surely > > it's not feasible for anybody "outside", you have to *compile* the app > > for NEO! > > Compilation is not required probably -- most of TomTom devices use ARM920T > like Neo do... What about system calls, GPIO addresses, etc etc Apple OSX and Windoze also share same Intel prozessor, you don't suppose an apple app to run on windows though?! jOERG ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: TomTom on Openmoko?
Navigation and OSM data submittal? What's wrong with tangogps? Sounds like it already does what you ask for: http://www.tangogps.org/ Joseph On 27/03/2008, ramsesoriginal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am of the idea that a navigation system would be THE killer-app for > the openmoko, and I personally know many persons that would also pay > extra money to have a navigator on a phone. We have various > possibilities: we could try to make some sort of deal with TomTom, > write our own system based on OSM (and btw we could let the openmokos > submit data to osm at the same time to increase accuracy), or (and > that's my favorite) we could try to make something based on google > maps/earth. The whole engime is already there[1], as are also the > maps. Just make some changes to add gps capabilities, and it's great! > > 2008/3/27 Marcin Juszkiewicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Dnia Thursday 27 of March 2008, Christ van Willegen napisał: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Sebastian Hammerl > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > as far as i know on the TomTom go devices is running Linux. So would > > > > it be possible to rip out the TomTom applikation and get it to work > > > > on Openmoko phone? It would be a great GPS application. > > > > > > Why not use tangoGPS and OpenStreetMap maps? > > > > Because OSM maps suxx? Lack details, lack streets, lack too many things to > > be usable? > > > > OSM is nice idea but it is only idea. It will never replace commercial > > maps. > > > > > > -- > > JID: hrw-jabber.org > > OpenEmbedded developer/consultant > > > > We're here to give you a computer, not a religion. > > -- Bob Pariseau, at the introduction of the Amiga > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > Openmoko community mailing list > > community@lists.openmoko.org > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > > -- > [1]http://www.google.com/gmm/index.html > > -- > My corner of the web: http://blog.ramsesoriginal.org > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: TomTom on Openmoko?
On Thu, 2008-03-27 at 14:05 +0100, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: > Dnia Thursday 27 of March 2008, Christ van Willegen napisał: > > Hi, > > > > On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Sebastian Hammerl > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > as far as i know on the TomTom go devices is running Linux. So would > > > it be possible to rip out the TomTom applikation and get it to work > > > on Openmoko phone? It would be a great GPS application. > > > > Why not use tangoGPS and OpenStreetMap maps? > > Because OSM maps suxx? Lack details, lack streets, lack too many things to > be usable? > > OSM is nice idea but it is only idea. It will never replace commercial > maps. > Hey, why even buy a Neo? Compared to any other phone it "suxx". It will never replace commercial phones like a Nokia N95 or and an iphone. Or will it? :^))) All projects start out small. Wikipedia started with one article and Linux with one line of code. And Openstreetmap started with a first dot. The coverage of the Netherlands has already commercial quality (go and have a look) - actually it is already better than commercial data and in the US the governments TIGER data has been imported. Looking how OSM evolved in the last two years, I'm sure it will in two more year cover many parts of the world better than commercial maps. Coming back to my first question: I hope that the Neo's will be the better alternative compared to N95 and iphone. That's why we are all here. Marcus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: TomTom on Openmoko?
I am of the idea that a navigation system would be THE killer-app for the openmoko, and I personally know many persons that would also pay extra money to have a navigator on a phone. We have various possibilities: we could try to make some sort of deal with TomTom, write our own system based on OSM (and btw we could let the openmokos submit data to osm at the same time to increase accuracy), or (and that's my favorite) we could try to make something based on google maps/earth. The whole engime is already there[1], as are also the maps. Just make some changes to add gps capabilities, and it's great! 2008/3/27 Marcin Juszkiewicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Dnia Thursday 27 of March 2008, Christ van Willegen napisał: > > > Hi, > > > > On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Sebastian Hammerl > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > as far as i know on the TomTom go devices is running Linux. So would > > > it be possible to rip out the TomTom applikation and get it to work > > > on Openmoko phone? It would be a great GPS application. > > > > Why not use tangoGPS and OpenStreetMap maps? > > Because OSM maps suxx? Lack details, lack streets, lack too many things to > be usable? > > OSM is nice idea but it is only idea. It will never replace commercial > maps. > > > -- > JID: hrw-jabber.org > OpenEmbedded developer/consultant > > We're here to give you a computer, not a religion. > -- Bob Pariseau, at the introduction of the Amiga > > > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- [1]http://www.google.com/gmm/index.html -- My corner of the web: http://blog.ramsesoriginal.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: TomTom on Openmoko?
Dnia Thursday 27 of March 2008, Christ van Willegen napisał: > Hi, > > On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Sebastian Hammerl > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > as far as i know on the TomTom go devices is running Linux. So would > > it be possible to rip out the TomTom applikation and get it to work > > on Openmoko phone? It would be a great GPS application. > > Why not use tangoGPS and OpenStreetMap maps? Because OSM maps suxx? Lack details, lack streets, lack too many things to be usable? OSM is nice idea but it is only idea. It will never replace commercial maps. -- JID: hrw-jabber.org OpenEmbedded developer/consultant We're here to give you a computer, not a religion. -- Bob Pariseau, at the introduction of the Amiga ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: TomTom on Openmoko?
Dnia Thursday 27 of March 2008, joerg napisał: > Am Do 27. März 2008 schrieb Sebastian Hammerl: > > Hi, > > > > as far as i know on the TomTom go devices is running Linux. So would > > it be possible to rip out the TomTom applikation and get it to work > > on Openmoko phone? It would be a great GPS application. > > Suggest this to TomTom, they probably can do it in a few days. Surely > it's not feasible for anybody "outside", you have to *compile* the app > for NEO! Compilation is not required probably -- most of TomTom devices use ARM920T like Neo do... -- JID: hrw-jabber.org OpenEmbedded developer/consultant Gdyby człowiek musiał zezwalać innym na to, co toleruje u siebie, życie byłoby nie do wytrzymania. [Georges Courteline] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: TomTom on Openmoko?
Am Do 27. März 2008 schrieb Sebastian Hammerl: > Hi, > > as far as i know on the TomTom go devices is running Linux. So would it > be possible to rip out the TomTom applikation and get it to work on > Openmoko phone? It would be a great GPS application. Suggest this to TomTom, they probably can do it in a few days. Surely it's not feasible for anybody "outside", you have to *compile* the app for NEO! I suppose you don't have access to TomTom go sourcefiles ;-) > > http://opentom.org/ - Projekt runnling apps on the TomTom Device. Why > not do it the other way? So it's more likely you can make Openmoko run on TomTom go, whatever it's worth for. jOERG ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: TomTom on Openmoko?
Hi, On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Sebastian Hammerl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > as far as i know on the TomTom go devices is running Linux. So would it > be possible to rip out the TomTom applikation and get it to work on > Openmoko phone? It would be a great GPS application. Why not use tangoGPS and OpenStreetMap maps? Christ van Willegen -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
TomTom on Openmoko?
Hi, as far as i know on the TomTom go devices is running Linux. So would it be possible to rip out the TomTom applikation and get it to work on Openmoko phone? It would be a great GPS application. http://opentom.org/ - Projekt runnling apps on the TomTom Device. Why not do it the other way? Sebastian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
TomTom on OpenMoko
Me too! I currently run TomTom Navigator 6 on a Dell Axim X30 PDA. I tturns out all i really ever use my pda for is the odd bit of calender, reading e-books and in car sat nav. Clearly with the car kit for the Neo1973 and a (powered) USB GPS I could replace my windows CE device with something a little more flexible. Eur 110/US$150 is right in the kind of area where i'd happily shell out even for another copy just to have it on my OpenMoko/Neo, i'd nearly make that just selling my old pda & GPS kit/cradle. I'm working in a shop just now that sells a wide range of sat. nav. solutions and IMHO TomTom is by far the best i've seen. Simple uncluttered intuitive user interface, looks slick, hopefully like my new phone... :-) Graham _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marc Verwerft Sent: 15 January 2007 13:25 To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Real Neo1973 photo / Neo delayed...!? >> If there's enough interest, it might be cool to just sell the mapping data >> and see if we can support an open source mapping engineer. Is this something >> people would pay for? > > Yes, I would be interested in paying for car navigation software to run on > the OpenMoko. > For reference, TomTom Navigator 6 for PDAs with maps for western europe on > DVD is around EUR 110 (US $150) > > TomTom Go is Linux based, perhaps you can get them to offer their product > for the OpenMoko? > I would be very interested in a solution for the OpenMoko at that price range. Count me in, too. Regards, Marc Verwerft ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
