Re: cellhunter - openbmap - opencellid revisited... (was Re: CellHunter is moving to a new server)

2009-09-10 Thread Onen
Thomas Landspurg wrote: > Again , and clarifiacation: > > ObenBMap have in fact less than 82963 cells (the 'trusted' cells), > the others are coming from OpenCellId! ;) > > > OpenCellID: 433 574 cells > CellHunter: 148 943 cells > OpenBMap: 82 963 cells > > (sorry for talking the risk

Re: cellhunter - openbmap - opencellid revisited... (was Re: CellHunter is moving to a new server)

2009-09-10 Thread Onen
Leonti Bielski wrote: > So how good or bad the data from Cellhunter project? Please see the nice work from Christian Gagneraud in the archive about comparison of what's get logged/stored by CH, OBM and OCI logger/database: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-June/049238.html Onen

Re: cellhunter - openbmap - opencellid revisited... (was Re: CellHunter is moving to a new server)

2009-09-10 Thread Onen
Hi Thomas, Thomas Landspurg wrote: > Hello Risto, > > Here is a few facts from such FAQ: > Not all accurate, though. > Most of the cells from OpenBMap are coming from OpenCellID (the > 'untrusted ones') > Absolutely correct. Number is on your side. > One of the main difference from th

Re: cellhunter - openbmap - opencellid revisited... (was Re: CellHunter is moving to a new server)

2009-09-10 Thread Onen
Hi, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > AFAIK, OpenBmap is told to import data from other projects We have imported the opencellid data once, to bring right now better coverage to the users. But this is supposed to be temporary. The target being to have only openBmap data or data from projects which share

Re: cellhunter - openbmap - opencellid revisited... (was Re: CellHunter is moving to a new server)

2009-09-06 Thread Thomas Landspurg
Thanks for the information, I'll subscribe to it. 2009/9/6 Risto H. Kurppa : > Btw you all three (openbmap, cellhunter, opencellid) devels are warmly > welcome to join FOSS-GPS -mailing list > (http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/foss-gps) - I'd like to see > discussion about the algorithms

Re: cellhunter - openbmap - opencellid revisited... (was Re: CellHunter is moving to a new server)

2009-09-06 Thread Thomas Landspurg
Hello Risto, note that strengh is already part of the opencellid api. As I've pointed out once, the problem is not all client have access to these data. So do we add all possible fields in the database? Out of the 45 millions of measures, only several millions might have all these data. My

Re: cellhunter - openbmap - opencellid revisited... (was Re: CellHunter is moving to a new server)

2009-09-06 Thread Alex (Maxious) Sadleir
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 8:49 PM, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Alex (Maxious) Sadleir > wrote: >> I looked at "common api to submit cells" and found that the openmoko >> OBM logger app was missing *one* field (arfcn) that cellhunter api >> wanted. Both being opensource, h

Re: cellhunter - openbmap - opencellid revisited... (was Re: CellHunter is moving to a new server)

2009-09-06 Thread Risto H. Kurppa
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Alex (Maxious) Sadleir wrote: > I looked at "common api to submit cells" and found that the openmoko > OBM logger app was missing *one* field (arfcn) that cellhunter api > wanted. Both being opensource, here's my hackish solution to patch the > OBM logger to write th

Re: cellhunter - openbmap - opencellid revisited... (was Re: CellHunter is moving to a new server)

2009-09-06 Thread Alex (Maxious) Sadleir
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > > Ok, downloaded the cellhunter database, this is what it stores: > > provider        cell_mcc        cell_mnc        cell_la cell_id cell_arfcn     >  signal  gps_time        gps_lat gps_long        gps_alt gname   local_time   >    cell_

Re: cellhunter - openbmap - opencellid revisited... (was Re: CellHunter is moving to a new server)

2009-09-06 Thread Risto H. Kurppa
Btw you all three (openbmap, cellhunter, opencellid) devels are warmly welcome to join FOSS-GPS -mailing list (http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/foss-gps) - I'd like to see discussion about the algorithms you use to calculate the position of the cells. It must be something else than just the

Re: cellhunter - openbmap - opencellid revisited... (was Re: CellHunter is moving to a new server)

2009-09-06 Thread Risto H. Kurppa
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > OpenBmap stores this data: > http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/myposition/wiki/log_format > > * mcc > * mnc > * lon > * lat > * alt > * heading > * speed > * hdop > * vdop > * pdop > * swid: software id of the logger > * swver: software versi

Re: cellhunter - openbmap - opencellid revisited... (was Re: CellHunter is moving to a new server)

2009-09-06 Thread Risto H. Kurppa
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Thomas Landspurg wrote: >  That's exactly the objective.There is a clear difference and > complementarity between a general purpose database and the > "CellsHunter" game for instance. The good news is that we are > progressing well with CellsHunter to integrate thei

Re: cellhunter - openbmap - opencellid revisited... (was Re: CellHunter is moving to a new server)

2009-09-06 Thread Thomas Landspurg
Hello Risto, That's exactly the objective.There is a clear difference and complementarity between a general purpose database and the "CellsHunter" game for instance. The good news is that we are progressing well with CellsHunter to integrate their database. Currently the integration has been do

Re: cellhunter - openbmap - opencellid revisited... (was Re: CellHunter is moving to a new server)

2009-09-06 Thread Thomas Landspurg
Great, good to know that you are back. So I would like to be sure that you received my latest emails / linked in invitation/facebook inviation in order to make sure that we still can continue to discuss! :-) 2009/9/3 Onen : > Hi, > > I was away from my computer, I try to go now through my emails

Re: cellhunter - openbmap - opencellid revisited... (was Re: CellHunter is moving to a new server)

2009-09-03 Thread Risto H. Kurppa
I have no idea what's going on between you people but: Now that I had a little thought, I really don't care how many copies of the database we have. All I care about is that a) there's a way to use the data (=a client capable to locate me based on the GSM cells around me) b) the client uses the d

Re: cellhunter - openbmap - opencellid revisited... (was Re: CellHunter is moving to a new server)

2009-09-03 Thread Onen
Hi, I was away from my computer, I try to go now through my emails... Thomas Landspurg wrote: >Guys, I start to be a little bit deseperate by these discussions > >I have some point of disagreement, Please tell. but I would like first to stay > polite You imply you think you have goo

Re: cellhunter - openbmap - opencellid revisited... (was Re: CellHunter is moving to a new server)

2009-09-03 Thread Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
On 9/3/09, Thomas Landspurg wrote: >Guys, I start to be a little bit deseperate by these discussions > >I have some point of disagreement, but I would like first to stay > polite and discuss with the OpenBMap guy. Does somebody knows where he > disappear? I am trying to contact him since m

Re: cellhunter - openbmap - opencellid revisited... (was Re: CellHunter is moving to a new server)

2009-09-03 Thread Yorick Moko
he used to be on #openmoko-cdevel (nick: OnenBmap) but I haven't seen him in a long time maybe somebody there knows more about it On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Thomas Landspurg wrote: > Guys, I start to be a little bit deseperate by these discussions > > I have some point of disagreement,

Re: cellhunter - openbmap - opencellid revisited... (was Re: CellHunter is moving to a new server)

2009-09-03 Thread Thomas Landspurg
Guys, I start to be a little bit deseperate by these discussions I have some point of disagreement, but I would like first to stay polite and discuss with the OpenBMap guy. Does somebody knows where he disappear? I am trying to contact him since more than a week without success 2009/9/3

Re: cellhunter - openbmap - opencellid revisited... (was Re: CellHunter is moving to a new server)

2009-09-03 Thread Risto H. Kurppa
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Yorick Moko wrote: > this is how I see it, from an end-user point-of-view: > > openBmap has the most cells > openBmap maps the most information > > all I want is as much cells as possible > AND > know that I'm logging everything that increases the quality of the dat

Re: cellhunter - openbmap - opencellid revisited... (was Re: CellHunter is moving to a new server)

2009-09-03 Thread Yorick Moko
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 7:18 AM, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 1:28 AM, Thomas > Landspurg wrote: > > Again , and clarifiacation: > > > > ObenBMap have in fact less than 82963 cells (the 'trusted' cells), > > the others are coming from OpenCellId! ;) > > Yes, I knew that OBM ha

Re: cellhunter - openbmap - opencellid revisited... (was Re: CellHunter is moving to a new server)

2009-09-02 Thread Risto H. Kurppa
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 1:28 AM, Thomas Landspurg wrote: >  Again , and clarifiacation: > >  ObenBMap have in fact less than 82963 cells (the 'trusted' cells), > the others are coming from OpenCellId! ;) Yes, I knew that OBM had imported from OCI but to me the only thing that matters is how many ce

Re: cellhunter - openbmap - opencellid revisited... (was Re: CellHunter is moving to a new server)

2009-09-02 Thread Thomas Landspurg
Again , and clarifiacation: ObenBMap have in fact less than 82963 cells (the 'trusted' cells), the others are coming from OpenCellId! ;) OpenCellID: 433 574 cells CellHunter: 148 943 cells OpenBMap: 82 963 cells (sorry for talking the risk of being the 'bad' guy agin, but at the end th

Re: cellhunter - openbmap - opencellid revisited... (was Re: CellHunter is moving to a new server)

2009-09-02 Thread Risto H. Kurppa
About the amount of cells, could someone explain me how many cells (with some kind of location information) cellhunter knows: http://ch.omoco.de/cellhunter/images/cellhunter_statistic_all.png explained here: http://ch.omoco.de/cellhunter/?hideintro=1&orderby=&beginat= 7milj (don't know where I go

Re: cellhunter - openbmap - opencellid revisited... (was Re: CellHunter is moving to a new server)

2009-09-02 Thread Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
On 9/2/09, Leonti Bielski wrote: > So how good or bad the data from Cellhunter project? > For me it is a lot of fun to compete collecting cells. If it misses > some data - let's just add more info about cells if necessary so then > obm could import new data and everyone would be happy. > > Leonti

Re: cellhunter - openbmap - opencellid revisited... (was Re: CellHunter is moving to a new server)

2009-09-02 Thread Petr Vanek
>So how good or bad the data from Cellhunter project? >For me it is a lot of fun to compete collecting cells. If it misses >some data - let's just add more info about cells if necessary so then >obm could import new data and everyone would be happy. > >Leonti yes, it is lots of fun :) , the websit

Re: cellhunter - openbmap - opencellid revisited... (was Re: CellHunter is moving to a new server)

2009-09-02 Thread Leonti Bielski
So how good or bad the data from Cellhunter project? For me it is a lot of fun to compete collecting cells. If it misses some data - let's just add more info about cells if necessary so then obm could import new data and everyone would be happy. Leonti Leonti On 9/2/09, Thomas Landspurg wrote:

Re: cellhunter - openbmap - opencellid revisited... (was Re: CellHunter is moving to a new server)

2009-09-02 Thread Thomas Landspurg
Hello Risto, Here is a few facts from such FAQ: Most of the cells from OpenBMap are coming from OpenCellID (the 'untrusted ones') One of the main difference from the three is that only OpenCellID provides a complete access to the data and the measures. OpenCellId added a "CVS uploader" t

cellhunter - openbmap - opencellid revisited... (was Re: CellHunter is moving to a new server)

2009-09-01 Thread Risto H. Kurppa
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 2:47 AM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > How does CellHunter compare with OpenBMap ? I think someone could write a wiki page about this and include it in FAQ's :) CellHunter: 7milj cells, clients: http://www.opkg.org/package_111.html and http://www.opkg.org/package_175.htm