Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] ATTENDANCE & PARTICIPATION AT THE ANNUAL GENERAL MEMBERS’ MEETING (AGMM)

In message , Owen DeLong wrote: >I do not know to what extent NRS is driven by Lu or not. I do know that he >was involved in its creation and I told him at the time that I wanted nothing >to do with it because I did not think that the intended mission was a good idea Owen, even though you are

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] ATTENDANCE & PARTICIPATION AT THE ANNUAL GENERAL MEMBERS’ MEETING (AGMM)

In message , Owen DeLong wrote: >I do not know to what extent NRS is driven by Lu or not. I do know that he >was involved in its creation and I told him at the time that I wanted nothing >to do with it because I did not think that the intended mission was a good idea In my opinion, and based

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] ATTENDANCE & PARTICIPATION AT THE ANNUAL GENERAL MEMBERS’ MEETING (AGMM)

> On Jun 8, 2022, at 11:43 , Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > > In message >, > Owen DeLong mailto:o...@delong.com>> wrote: > >>> On Jun 7, 2022, at 17:03 , Ronald F. Guilmette >>> wrote: >>> >>> In message , >>> Owen DeLong wrote: >>>

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] ATTENDANCE & PARTICIPATION AT THE ANNUAL GENERAL MEMBERS’ MEETING (AGMM)

In message , Owen DeLong wrote: >> On Jun 7, 2022, at 17:03 , Ronald F. Guilmette >> wrote: >> >> In message , >> Owen DeLong wrote: >> >>> Again, I don't know the details, but this is what I surmise from >>> the video and from other comments I've seen on the lists. I had >>> no involvement

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] ATTENDANCE & PARTICIPATION AT THE ANNUAL GENERAL MEMBERS’ MEETING (AGMM)

> On Jun 7, 2022, at 17:03 , Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > > In message , > Owen DeLong wrote: > >> Again, I don't know the details, but this is what I surmise from >> the video and from other comments I've seen on the lists. I had >> no involvement with or knowledge of any such scheme, and

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] ATTENDANCE & PARTICIPATION AT THE ANNUAL GENERAL MEMBERS’ MEETING (AGMM)

In message , Owen DeLong wrote: >Again, I don't know the details, but this is what I surmise from >the video and from other comments I've seen on the lists. I had >no involvement with or knowledge of any such scheme, and consider such a >scheme extremely unethical and immoral even if it is

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] ATTENDANCE & PARTICIPATION AT THE ANNUAL GENERAL MEMBERS’ MEETING (AGMM)

> On Jun 2, 2022, at 23:20 , Ish Sookun wrote: > > Hi Owen, > >> On 2 Jun 2022, at 20:16, Owen DeLong > > wrote: >> >> It would be legitimate to insist that only one of those members of the >> “representative team” do the speaking and voting on behalf of the entire

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] ATTENDANCE & PARTICIPATION AT THE ANNUAL GENERAL MEMBERS’ MEETING (AGMM)

> On Jun 2, 2022, at 21:50 , Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > > In message > , > > Andrew Alston wrote: > >> No Ronald, >> >> >> They do however contain billions in dark money, massive amounts of shadowy >> lobby groups, the occasional invasion of a building, maybe a few people >> baying

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] ATTENDANCE & PARTICIPATION AT THE ANNUAL GENERAL MEMBERS’ MEETING (AGMM)

> On Jun 2, 2022, at 16:01 , Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > > In message , > Owen DeLong wrote: > >> So you suggest what alternative? In the face of the various gross misdeeds >> by the >> AFRINIC board, including their tampering in the election to avoid a free and >> fair >> election... >

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] ATTENDANCE & PARTICIPATION AT THE ANNUAL GENERAL MEMBERS’ MEETING (AGMM)

Hi Owen, > On 2 Jun 2022, at 20:16, Owen DeLong wrote: > > It would be legitimate to insist that only one of those members of the > “representative team” do the speaking and voting on behalf of the entire > representative team, but limiting the online presence only to one > representative

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] ATTENDANCE & PARTICIPATION AT THE ANNUAL GENERAL MEMBERS’ MEETING (AGMM)

In message , Andrew Alston wrote: >No Ronald, > > >They do however contain billions in dark money, massive amounts of shadowy >lobby groups, the occasional invasion of a building, maybe a few people baying >to hang someone, 846 (so far) arrests, a years worth of hearings need I go >on? >

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] ATTENDANCE & PARTICIPATION AT THE ANNUAL GENERAL MEMBERS’ MEETING (AGMM)

.ms/o0ukef> From: Ronald F. Guilmette Sent: Friday, June 3, 2022 2:01:18 AM To: AFRINIC Community Discuss Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] ATTENDANCE & PARTICIPATION AT THE ANNUAL GENERAL MEMBERS’ MEETING (AGMM) In message , Owen DeLong w

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] ATTENDANCE & PARTICIPATION AT THE ANNUAL GENERAL MEMBERS’ MEETING (AGMM)

In message , Owen DeLong wrote: >So you suggest what alternative? In the face of the various gross misdeeds by >the >AFRINIC board, including their tampering in the election to avoid a free and >fair >election... :-) Thanks for the laugh Owen! I needed that today. And I confess that your

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] ATTENDANCE & PARTICIPATION AT THE ANNUAL GENERAL MEMBERS’ MEETING (AGMM)

> There are always other options. If not, then why does every country on earth > employ its own diplomatic corp? You are right… For example, the UA could have chosen to fight Mr. Putin as they have, or I suppose they could have allowed their country and culture to be destroyed and annexed into

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] ATTENDANCE & PARTICIPATION AT THE ANNUAL GENERAL MEMBERS’ MEETING (AGMM)

> On Jun 1, 2022, at 12:25 , Noah wrote: > > > > On Wed, 1 Jun 2022, 22:51 Ish Sookun, > wrote: > Hi Noah, > >> On 1 Jun 2022, at 22:22, Noah mailto:n...@neo.co.tz>> wrote: >> >> Part of the above sentence reads ... >> >> appoint "A" representative…. >

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] ATTENDANCE & PARTICIPATION AT THE ANNUAL GENERAL MEMBERS’ MEETING (AGMM)

Hi, I think there is a wrong assumption... On 02/06/2022 00:38, DANIEL NANGHAKA wrote: Some of you want to create confusion over small logical issues. A corporation cannot be created by one individual. Corporation are represented by one Administrator despite of have many members in the

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] ATTENDANCE & PARTICIPATION AT THE ANNUAL GENERAL MEMBERS’ MEETING (AGMM)

In message , DANIEL NANGHAKA wrote: >Mr. Putin is not in a war, it's a special military invasion. I stand corrected. Thank you. (In my own defense, I was misled by the presence of all of those tanks, ships, cannons, missiles, troops, dead people, and destroyed cities, etc.) Regards, rfg

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] ATTENDANCE & PARTICIPATION AT THE ANNUAL GENERAL MEMBERS’ MEETING (AGMM)

Ronald, Mr. Putin is not in a war, it's a special military invasion. Daniel On Thu, Jun 2, 2022, 2:15 AM Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > In message < > am7pr03mb6451058c723a7b05d58d7235ee...@am7pr03mb6451.eurprd03.prod.outlook.com>, > > Andrew Alston wrote: > > >Anyway - my guess is that once

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] ATTENDANCE & PARTICIPATION AT THE ANNUAL GENERAL MEMBERS’ MEETING (AGMM)

In message , DANIEL NANGHAKA wrote: >Some of you now are going to request for the By-laws in your mother tongues >which is an ambiguous request Also, my own mother tongue is profanity, so I'm not sure how well this would work out, in practice. Regards, rfg

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] ATTENDANCE & PARTICIPATION AT THE ANNUAL GENERAL MEMBERS’ MEETING (AGMM)

Yes Noah, English, but much more, agreeing on 10.2 in the Bylaw, that where there are issues not clear like this, members will jointly resolve it, and it will become precedent. - Sunday. On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 11:07 PM Noah wrote: > > > On Thu, Jun 2, 2022 at 12:44 AM Sunday Folayan wrote: >

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] ATTENDANCE & PARTICIPATION AT THE ANNUAL GENERAL MEMBERS’ MEETING (AGMM)

In message , Andrew Alston wrote: >Anyway - my guess is that once again the board will ignore this and once >again we will have to let a court decide. I just wish I was wrong and they >would take the simple way out - postpone the meeting - send a proper notice >of meeting and withdraw these

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] ATTENDANCE & PARTICIPATION AT THE ANNUAL GENERAL MEMBERS’ MEETING (AGMM)

On Thu, Jun 2, 2022 at 12:44 AM Sunday Folayan wrote: > Noah, > > Suppose the Admin Contact is a role Email account that expands to four > people? > Or could be the only individual who signed the RSA, who knows English is becoming a problem Oga. Noah

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] ATTENDANCE & PARTICIPATION AT THE ANNUAL GENERAL MEMBERS’ MEETING (AGMM)

Noah, Suppose the Admin Contact is a role Email account that expands to four people? Sunday., On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 9:14 PM Noah wrote: > > > On Wed, 1 Jun 2022, 23:48 Andrew Alston, > wrote: > >> Actually the notice of meeting is sent to every admin contact for the >> organization. >> > >

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] ATTENDANCE & PARTICIPATION AT THE ANNUAL GENERAL MEMBERS’ MEETING (AGMM)

Some of you now are going to request for the By-laws in your mother tongues which is an ambiguous request On Thu, Jun 2, 2022, 1:38 AM DANIEL NANGHAKA wrote: > Some of you want to create confusion over small logical issues. > > A corporation cannot be created by one individual. Corporation are

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] ATTENDANCE & PARTICIPATION AT THE ANNUAL GENERAL MEMBERS’ MEETING (AGMM)

Some of you want to create confusion over small logical issues. A corporation cannot be created by one individual. Corporation are represented by one Administrator despite of have many members in the team. That is why the registration is for one Administrative contact. Even a kindergarten kid

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] ATTENDANCE & PARTICIPATION AT THE ANNUAL GENERAL MEMBERS’ MEETING (AGMM)

On Wed, 1 Jun 2022, 23:48 Andrew Alston, wrote: > Actually the notice of meeting is sent to every admin contact for the > organization. > This is a fact. I suppose its that admin contact who is the said representative of the corporation in our context hence the reason the org send the admin

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] ATTENDANCE & PARTICIPATION AT THE ANNUAL GENERAL MEMBERS’ MEETING (AGMM)

friNIC Discuss ; le...@afrinic.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [Community-Discuss] ATTENDANCE & PARTICIPATION AT THE ANNUAL GENERAL MEMBERS’ MEETING (AGMM) On Wed, 1 Jun 2022, 22:46 Andrew Alston, mailto:andrew.als...@liquidtelecom.com>> wrote: anyone who is entitled to re

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] ATTENDANCE & PARTICIPATION AT THE ANNUAL GENERAL MEMBERS’ MEETING (AGMM)

Hi Comms, I asked a simple question yesterday on the members’ list: What problem are you trying to solve by limiting full participation of member organizations to a single person? There might be a better solution to the problem you foresee. It’s disheartening that everything has to be so

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] ATTENDANCE & PARTICIPATION AT THE ANNUAL GENERAL MEMBERS’ MEETING (AGMM)

Hi Noah, > On 1 Jun 2022, at 23:25, Noah wrote: > > English is not my lingo as Swahili was my first language and primary language > but I tend to think that the meaning changes depending on how words are > contracted together. > > 1. A representative of > 2. Representatives of > 3.

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] ATTENDANCE & PARTICIPATION AT THE ANNUAL GENERAL MEMBERS’ MEETING (AGMM)

On Wed, 1 Jun 2022, 22:51 Ish Sookun, wrote: > Hi Noah, > > On 1 Jun 2022, at 22:22, Noah wrote: > > Part of the above sentence reads ... > > appoint "A" representative…. > > > I understand the “A” and the second word is “representative”. A > representative can be a person or a group of

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] ATTENDANCE & PARTICIPATION AT THE ANNUAL GENERAL MEMBERS’ MEETING (AGMM)

On Wed, 1 Jun 2022, 22:46 Andrew Alston, wrote: > anyone who is entitled to receive the notice of meeting is entitled to > participate fully in the meeting > The notice is sent to each corporation. Generally corporations tend to be reprented by their admin contacts in our context. I suppose

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] ATTENDANCE & PARTICIPATION AT THE ANNUAL GENERAL MEMBERS’ MEETING (AGMM)

Hi Noah, > On 1 Jun 2022, at 22:22, Noah wrote: > > Part of the above sentence reads ... > > appoint "A" representative…. I understand the “A” and the second word is “representative”. A representative can be a person or a group of persons. I don’t see why AFRINIC would prohibit a member

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] ATTENDANCE & PARTICIPATION AT THE ANNUAL GENERAL MEMBERS’ MEETING (AGMM)

nesday, June 1, 2022 9:22:49 PM To: AFRINIC Communication Cc: AFRINIC Community Discuss ; AfriNIC Discuss ; le...@afrinic.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [Community-Discuss] ATTENDANCE & PARTICIPATION AT THE ANNUAL GENERAL MEMBERS’ MEETING (AGMM) On Wed, 1 Jun 2022, 22:06 AFRINIC Com

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] ATTENDANCE & PARTICIPATION AT THE ANNUAL GENERAL MEMBERS’ MEETING (AGMM)

There have been no bylaw updates as concerns this - I checked. This is an entirely arbitrary requirement and as per the CEOs email - was decided by the logistics team - which drastically exceeds the authority of a logistics team when it comes into conflict with the rights of members What

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] ATTENDANCE & PARTICIPATION AT THE ANNUAL GENERAL MEMBERS’ MEETING (AGMM)

Hi Andrew, AFRINIC Comms & Legal, > On 1 Jun 2022, at 22:14, Andrew Alston > wrote: > > Why is there a restriction on multiple members from the same organization > attending online - as stated we understand the physical restrictions - but > the online restriction does not make sense. >

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] ATTENDANCE & PARTICIPATION AT THE ANNUAL GENERAL MEMBERS’ MEETING (AGMM)

On Wed, 1 Jun 2022, 22:06 AFRINIC Communication, wrote: > *A corporate body, which is a Member, may appoint "A" representative to > attend an Annual General Members’ Meeting on its behalf in the same manner > as that in **which it could appoint a proxy*." > > Part of the above sentence reads ...

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] ATTENDANCE & PARTICIPATION AT THE ANNUAL GENERAL MEMBERS’ MEETING (AGMM)

Dear AFRINIC Comms, Thank you for the prompt reply. > On 1 Jun 2022, at 21:58, AFRINIC Communication wrote: > > Therefore, where a company has delegated for example two persons to attend > the AGMM, only one of them will be admitted to the main AGMM Room (subject to > covid-19 sanitary

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] ATTENDANCE & PARTICIPATION AT THE ANNUAL GENERAL MEMBERS’ MEETING (AGMM)

Why is there a restriction on multiple members from the same organization attending online - as stated we understand the physical restrictions - but the online restriction does not make sense. If you look closely at the clauses you specify - it refers to a corporate body - a corporate body is

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] ATTENDANCE & PARTICIPATION AT THE ANNUAL GENERAL MEMBERS’ MEETING (AGMM)

Dear Mr. Sookun, We refer to your query with regards to corporations being represented by representative. As you are aware, AFRINIC's Resource Members are legal entities (i.e. companies) which can only act through their respective representative(s). In regard to article 12.14(9), you will

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] ATTENDANCE & PARTICIPATION AT THE ANNUAL GENERAL MEMBERS’ MEETING (AGMM)

Also, the quoted article 12.24 is a provision to prevent confusion about the representation of corporations by natural persons. AFRINIC members have staff with technical functions, staff with general administrative/finance functions, and possibly staff with legal functions. Which of them

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] ATTENDANCE & PARTICIPATION AT THE ANNUAL GENERAL MEMBERS’ MEETING (AGMM)

Exactly Ish, You beat me to it - all this says is that a corporation may be represented by proxy appointment - it does not create a situation for single person representation - and this is a very far stretch at best - and at worst nothing more than semantics designed to confuse. Are we so

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] ATTENDANCE & PARTICIPATION AT THE ANNUAL GENERAL MEMBERS’ MEETING (AGMM)

Dear AFRINIC Comms, > On 31 May 2022, at 22:00, AFRINIC Communication wrote: > > Article 12.14(9) provides, inter-alia as follows - "Corporations may act by > representative. A corporate body, which is a Member, may appoint a > representative to attend an Annual General Members’ Meeting on