Re: [Community-Discuss] [SPAM] Re: Closure: was: Board Statement on Board Member's Conduct

[MBJ]

I agree with Badru

Mustapha Ben Jemaa

 

De : Badru Ntege [mailto:badru.nt...@nftconsult.com] 
Envoyé : vendredi 9 juin 2017 22:47
À : Ismail Settenda
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Objet : [SPAM] Re: [Community-Discuss] Closure: was: Board Statement on
Board Member's Conduct

 

Members 

 

I would like to ask that we close this thread. The main objective of the
AIS17 event was that we had a successful workshop week. We also had an
engaging meeting week. 

 

The organisation had challenges but besides all challenges the community
came together discussed, and ended the meeting at a positive note. 

 

We are all continuously learning to make sure that the next event is better.
Sometimes we will get it wrong, a reminder that we are human. 

 

Tolerance of our diversity and trust for each other is what has built this
strong community. At times we will strain this equilibrium but ultimately we
all have the best intentions. 

 

I ask that we look at all the good and positive outcomes, and learn from
where we  collectively failed as we look forward to meet as a unified
community in both Nigeria and Senegal.   

 

Regards 

Badru 

 



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On 9 Jun 2017, at 23:36, Ismail Settenda  wrote:

+1 

 

I too disagree it was abuse...a painful example maybe but if it is good
manners you advocating for then lets first be appreciative then complain. 

 

As it is I didnt see any email apperiacating the speed and good internet
beforehand ... then not escalate things needlessly..!

 

Regards


--
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On 9 June 2017 at 20:56, McTim  wrote:

On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Danny  wrote:
> Dear Mark,
>
> Ben Roberts behavior was another abuse of this community's patience.

I disagree.

I recall a RIPE meeting where the v4 connectivity was shut off to
demonstrate what
that was like, and no one batted an eye.

I thank Liquid for their support and applaud them for their political
courage.

The point was to show us that it is no fun having your Internet cut
off, they made that point quite well I think.



Regards,

McTim





> What if liquid was not sponsoring connectivity. How would Ben have
> demonstrated his unnecessary shutdown?
>
>
> Doing such shutdown  on a sponsored link under SLA for a major regional
> event (AIS) does not give honor to liquid telecom.
>
> I would suggest that the AIS conveners signal this to liquid telecom top
> management in their thank you message.
>
> Local host should always ensure high availability by having at least 2
> service providers regardless of how many fiber links one provider can
bring
> into the conference after all even during the workshop week, Liquid
internet
> was down for 2 hours due to router failure and if there was a second
> provider like Safaricon, Wananchi or Seacom such outage would have been
> avoided.
>
> Local host should ensure more than 1 provider in future AIS event after
such
> premeditated situations.
>
> Thanks.
>
> 2017-06-09 14:24 GMT+02:00 Sunday Folayan :
>>
>> Dear Benjamin,
>>
>> There is nothing to investigate on that matter. The community protested
>> the dramatic shutdown with strong words at the mic that day.
>>
>> An apology was tendered by Ben Roberts on the floor immediately. I
thought
>> the community closed the matter then.
>>
>> The AIS Programme Committee is in the best position to respond and
address
>> the issue of sole connectivity provider. They know what to learn/unlearn
>> from Nairobi.
>>
>> Cheers.
>>
>> Sunday.
>>
>>
>> On Jun 9, 2017 12:24, "Benjamin Eshun"  wrote:
>>
>> Dear Sunday,
>>
>> Thank you for the information.
>>
>> Have we investigated the Internet shutdown which occurred during the
>> AFRINIC Public Policy meeting at AIS2017, in order to clarify the
>> responsibilities of Connectivity sponsor and of AIS NOC team on the
Incident
>> ?
>>
>> How come AIS2017 was run with only one Connectivity provider ?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Benjamin
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 5:05 PM, Sunday Folayan 
wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Community,
>>>
>>> In my previous communication to the community dated 29th May 2017,
>>> AFRINIC board undertook to further investigate the matter under
reference.
>>>
>>> During the course of the investigation, statements were obtained from
>>> Prof. Quaynor as well as others who personally witnessed the incident.
>>>
>>> Mr Alston, has admitted having made the improper remarks, the subject
>>> matter of the incident under reference, in a subsequent apology to the
>>> Board.
>>>
>>> Prof Quaynor has equally apprised the Chairman and Vice- Chairman of the
>>> Board that Mr Alston has privately apologized to him.
>>>
>>> The Board has, after considering the apology tendered, and the nature of
>>> the remarks made, issued a written warning to Mr Alston.
>>>
>>> This 

Re: [Community-Discuss] Closure: was: Board Statement on Board Member's Conduct

[Noah]

On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 3:24 PM, Sunday Folayan  wrote:


>  The community protested the dramatic shutdown with strong words at the
> mic that day.
>
>
+1 Sunday

Very complex social/political and economic issues for poor Afrinic PDP to
deal beyond the back/forth.

AIS2017 was very particular and we have learnt a lot for the
future..

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Re: [Community-Discuss] Closure: was: Board Statement on Board Member's Conduct

[Badru Ntege]

Members

I would like to ask that we close this thread. The main objective of the AIS17 
event was that we had a successful workshop week. We also had an engaging 
meeting week.

The organisation had challenges but besides all challenges the community came 
together discussed, and ended the meeting at a positive note.

We are all continuously learning to make sure that the next event is better. 
Sometimes we will get it wrong, a reminder that we are human.

Tolerance of our diversity and trust for each other is what has built this 
strong community. At times we will strain this equilibrium but ultimately we 
all have the best intentions.

I ask that we look at all the good and positive outcomes, and learn from where 
we  collectively failed as we look forward to meet as a unified community in 
both Nigeria and Senegal.

Regards
Badru



Sent from my iPhone

On 9 Jun 2017, at 23:36, Ismail Settenda 
> wrote:

+1

I too disagree it was abuse...a painful example maybe but if it is good manners 
you advocating for then lets first be appreciative then complain.

As it is I didnt see any email apperiacating the speed and good internet 
beforehand ... then not escalate things needlessly..!

Regards
--
Ismail

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On 9 June 2017 at 20:56, McTim 
> wrote:
On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Danny 
> wrote:
> Dear Mark,
>
> Ben Roberts behavior was another abuse of this community's patience.

I disagree.

I recall a RIPE meeting where the v4 connectivity was shut off to
demonstrate what
that was like, and no one batted an eye.

I thank Liquid for their support and applaud them for their political courage.

The point was to show us that it is no fun having your Internet cut
off, they made that point quite well I think.



Regards,

McTim




> What if liquid was not sponsoring connectivity. How would Ben have
> demonstrated his unnecessary shutdown?
>
>
> Doing such shutdown  on a sponsored link under SLA for a major regional
> event (AIS) does not give honor to liquid telecom.
>
> I would suggest that the AIS conveners signal this to liquid telecom top
> management in their thank you message.
>
> Local host should always ensure high availability by having at least 2
> service providers regardless of how many fiber links one provider can bring
> into the conference after all even during the workshop week, Liquid internet
> was down for 2 hours due to router failure and if there was a second
> provider like Safaricon, Wananchi or Seacom such outage would have been
> avoided.
>
> Local host should ensure more than 1 provider in future AIS event after such
> premeditated situations.
>
> Thanks.
>
> 2017-06-09 14:24 GMT+02:00 Sunday Folayan 
> >:
>>
>> Dear Benjamin,
>>
>> There is nothing to investigate on that matter. The community protested
>> the dramatic shutdown with strong words at the mic that day.
>>
>> An apology was tendered by Ben Roberts on the floor immediately. I thought
>> the community closed the matter then.
>>
>> The AIS Programme Committee is in the best position to respond and address
>> the issue of sole connectivity provider. They know what to learn/unlearn
>> from Nairobi.
>>
>> Cheers.
>>
>> Sunday.
>>
>>
>> On Jun 9, 2017 12:24, "Benjamin Eshun" 
>> > wrote:
>>
>> Dear Sunday,
>>
>> Thank you for the information.
>>
>> Have we investigated the Internet shutdown which occurred during the
>> AFRINIC Public Policy meeting at AIS2017, in order to clarify the
>> responsibilities of Connectivity sponsor and of AIS NOC team on the Incident
>> ?
>>
>> How come AIS2017 was run with only one Connectivity provider ?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Benjamin
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 5:05 PM, Sunday Folayan 
>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Community,
>>>
>>> In my previous communication to the community dated 29th May 2017,
>>> AFRINIC board undertook to further investigate the matter under reference.
>>>
>>> During the course of the investigation, statements were obtained from
>>> Prof. Quaynor as well as others who personally witnessed the incident.
>>>
>>> Mr Alston, has admitted having made the improper remarks, the subject
>>> matter of the incident under reference, in a subsequent apology to the
>>> Board.
>>>
>>> Prof Quaynor has equally apprised the Chairman and Vice- Chairman of the
>>> Board that Mr Alston has privately apologized to him.
>>>
>>> The Board has, after considering the apology tendered, and the nature of
>>> the remarks made, issued a written warning to Mr Alston.
>>>
>>> This is for the information of the Community.
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> Sunday Folayan.
>>>
>>> Chair, AFRINIC Board.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 29/05/2017 

Re: [Community-Discuss] [AFRINIC-Announce] Common Statement By AF* on Internet Shutdowns in Africa

[Ismail Settenda]

Really, on whose behalf are you speaking, I certainly didn't think Andrew
is horrible.

I suspect the issue is more in this saying I think I saw at the Jo'burg
Airport..“If you want to go quickly, go alone. If you want to go far, go
together.”.

I don't think Andrew fully appreciates this statement IMHO, and I think if
he did he would get more support for his ideas which are pretty good.

However the water have been churned let's see what happens on the global
level...its looking better on the front...(-:.

Best regards


Ismail
Skype/Twitter/G+: ismailmss

On Jun 9, 2017 8:50 PM, "Chevalier du Borg"  wrote:
>
>
> 2017-06-06 17:17 GMT+04:00 Ornella GANKPA :
>
>> We ended up with this statement because this community is resilient and
>> survived to the abuse of the AFRINIC PDP by the authors of the
>> anti-shutdown policy proposal which unfortunately included a board member
>> who somehow failed to recognise that their fiduciary duties extended to
>> keeping the PDP on scope and protecting its credibility.
>>
>
>
>
>>
>> One would have expected that after the first statement (1), the board
>> would engage other AF* organisations and create the appropriate forum for
>> the community to discuss the Internet shutdown issues and lead this
>> community to concrete outcomes.
>>
>
> But board did not. But even discussion about this on community list show
> how immature this community is to discuss issue. we seem more caught up in
> 'horrible' Andrew and need to fight anyting he propose rather than have
> intelligent thing about what may be possible to do.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
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Re: [Community-Discuss] [AFRINIC-Announce] Common Statement By AF* on Internet Shutdowns in Africa

[Sunday Folayan]

On 09/06/2017 18:47, Chevalier du Borg wrote:


2017-06-06 17:17 GMT+04:00 Ornella GANKPA >:


We ended up with this statement because this community is
resilient and survived to the abuse of the AFRINIC PDP by the
authors of the anti-shutdown policy proposal which unfortunately
included a board member who somehow failed to recognise that their
fiduciary duties extended to keeping the PDP on scope and
protecting its credibility.

One would have expected that after the first statement (1), the
board would engage other AF* organisations and create the
appropriate forum for the community to discuss the Internet
shutdown issues and lead this community to concrete outcomes.


But board did not. But even discussion about this on community list 
show how immature this community is to discuss issue. we seem more 
caught up in 'horrible' Andrew and need to fight anyting he propose 
rather than have intelligent thing about what may be possible to do.


Just for the records: AfriNIC Ltd did organize these at AIS '17:

1. https://www.internetsummitafrica.org/daily-recap/158-ais17-daily-recap-2
The AfGWG-16 Meeting saw several government officials, regulators and 
law enforcement agencies gather on Monday 29 May from 10:00 am to 3.00 
pm. It was a closed session.


2. 
https://www.internetsummitafrica.org/daily-recap/161-ais-17-daily-recap-3-30-may

Panel on Internet Shutdown
This session was held with the objective to demystify Internet Shutdown 
in Africa and view it with the lens of different stakeholders in the 
region. Panelists representing various stakeholder groups (Technical 
Community, Business Community, Civil Society, and Government) discussed 
the topic.

The panel consisted of:
1. Moderator and Academia: Prof Nii Quaynor - Ghana
2. AFRINIC and Technical representative and Business, Mr Sunday 
Folayan - Nigeria

3. Dr Chérif Diallo, Ministry of ICT - Senegal
4. Government ARPCE, Luc Missidimbazi - Congo
5. KICTANET & Civil Society, Grace Githaiga - Kenya
6. Civil Society, Kathleen Ndongmo - Cameroon
7. Communication Authority of Kenya, Mr Vincent Ngundi - Kenya

Watch the video of this session at : 
https://www.internetsummitafrica.org/participate-remotely/internet-shutdown




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Re: [Community-Discuss] Closure: was: Board Statement on Board Member's Conduct

[Ismail Settenda]

+1

I too disagree it was abuse...a painful example maybe but if it is good
manners you advocating for then lets first be appreciative then complain.

As it is I didnt see any email apperiacating the speed and good internet
beforehand ... then not escalate things needlessly..!

Regards
--
Ismail



On 9 June 2017 at 20:56, McTim  wrote:

> On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Danny  wrote:
> > Dear Mark,
> >
> > Ben Roberts behavior was another abuse of this community's patience.
>
> I disagree.
>
> I recall a RIPE meeting where the v4 connectivity was shut off to
> demonstrate what
> that was like, and no one batted an eye.
>
> I thank Liquid for their support and applaud them for their political
> courage.
>
> The point was to show us that it is no fun having your Internet cut
> off, they made that point quite well I think.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> McTim
>
>
>
>
> > What if liquid was not sponsoring connectivity. How would Ben have
> > demonstrated his unnecessary shutdown?
> >
> >
> > Doing such shutdown  on a sponsored link under SLA for a major regional
> > event (AIS) does not give honor to liquid telecom.
> >
> > I would suggest that the AIS conveners signal this to liquid telecom top
> > management in their thank you message.
> >
> > Local host should always ensure high availability by having at least 2
> > service providers regardless of how many fiber links one provider can
> bring
> > into the conference after all even during the workshop week, Liquid
> internet
> > was down for 2 hours due to router failure and if there was a second
> > provider like Safaricon, Wananchi or Seacom such outage would have been
> > avoided.
> >
> > Local host should ensure more than 1 provider in future AIS event after
> such
> > premeditated situations.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > 2017-06-09 14:24 GMT+02:00 Sunday Folayan :
> >>
> >> Dear Benjamin,
> >>
> >> There is nothing to investigate on that matter. The community protested
> >> the dramatic shutdown with strong words at the mic that day.
> >>
> >> An apology was tendered by Ben Roberts on the floor immediately. I
> thought
> >> the community closed the matter then.
> >>
> >> The AIS Programme Committee is in the best position to respond and
> address
> >> the issue of sole connectivity provider. They know what to learn/unlearn
> >> from Nairobi.
> >>
> >> Cheers.
> >>
> >> Sunday.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jun 9, 2017 12:24, "Benjamin Eshun" 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Dear Sunday,
> >>
> >> Thank you for the information.
> >>
> >> Have we investigated the Internet shutdown which occurred during the
> >> AFRINIC Public Policy meeting at AIS2017, in order to clarify the
> >> responsibilities of Connectivity sponsor and of AIS NOC team on the
> Incident
> >> ?
> >>
> >> How come AIS2017 was run with only one Connectivity provider ?
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >> Benjamin
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 5:05 PM, Sunday Folayan 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Dear Community,
> >>>
> >>> In my previous communication to the community dated 29th May 2017,
> >>> AFRINIC board undertook to further investigate the matter under
> reference.
> >>>
> >>> During the course of the investigation, statements were obtained from
> >>> Prof. Quaynor as well as others who personally witnessed the incident.
> >>>
> >>> Mr Alston, has admitted having made the improper remarks, the subject
> >>> matter of the incident under reference, in a subsequent apology to the
> >>> Board.
> >>>
> >>> Prof Quaynor has equally apprised the Chairman and Vice- Chairman of
> the
> >>> Board that Mr Alston has privately apologized to him.
> >>>
> >>> The Board has, after considering the apology tendered, and the nature
> of
> >>> the remarks made, issued a written warning to Mr Alston.
> >>>
> >>> This is for the information of the Community.
> >>>
> >>> Kind Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Sunday Folayan.
> >>>
> >>> Chair, AFRINIC Board.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 29/05/2017 14:24, Sunday Folayan wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Dear Community,
> >>>
> >>> The attention of the AFRINIC Board has been drawn to an incident which
> >>> occurred in the hall/lobby of the Boma Hotel, on Saturday 27 May 2017,
> where
> >>> AIS 2017 is being held.
> >>>
> >>> It has further been confirmed that a sitting board member was involved
> in
> >>> the said incident in which Dr Nii Quaynor, a senior and respected
> member of
> >>> the African Internet community was allegedly subjected to verbal
> molestation
> >>> and humiliation.
> >>>
> >>> The AFRINIC Board vehemently condemns any inappropriate act that does
> not
> >>> take into consideration the diversity in the community and acceptable
> norms
> >>> within African societies and will not condone such acts.
> >>>
> >>> The above incident is being further investigated and the Community will
> >>> be informed of the outcome.
> >>>
> >>> Sunday Folayan
> >>>
> >>> Chair, AFRINIC Board.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> 

Re: [Community-Discuss] Closure: was: Board Statement on Board Member's Conduct

[Nishal Goburdhan]

On 09 Jun 2017, at 19:31, Danny  wrote:
> Local host should always ensure high availability by having at least 2 
> service providers regardless of how many fiber links one provider can bring 
> into the conference after all even during the workshop week, Liquid internet 
> was down for 2 hours due to router failure and if there was a second provider 
> like Safaricon, Wananchi or Seacom such outage would have been avoided.

that’s quite incorrect.  speaking as the NOC person who diagnosed the fault, 
the outage was due to a hardware fault that was induced by the hotel staff.
(and it was not the only outage, created by hotel staff during the event 
either!).  there is no indication that this would not have otherwise occured, 
since, we would most likely, still have used the same device as a border router.
if nothing else, the liquid team were extremely helpful in sourcing another 
router - JNPR QFXs don’t exactly grow on trees - and getting it onsite from 
across town in *less than 1 hour*, in peak nairobi traffic.
and then leaving it onsite, as a contingency, for the rest of the event.

it’s sad that this sort of goodwill doesn’t seem to make it onto this mailing 
list;  just the uninformed criticism  :-(


> Local host should ensure more than 1 provider 

right….just like how this was the case for AIS-16, AIS-15, AIS-14, […]   

oh.

wait.

...


don’t let your regular disdain for andrew, detract you from the *excellent* job 
that the liquid team did with providing bandwidth, hardware, and support for 
the event.  as someone that’s done more than a few NOC shifts, for these 
events, i can tell you that they were a tremendous help this time!

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[McTim]

On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Danny  wrote:
> Dear Mark,
>
> Ben Roberts behavior was another abuse of this community's patience.

I disagree.

I recall a RIPE meeting where the v4 connectivity was shut off to
demonstrate what
that was like, and no one batted an eye.

I thank Liquid for their support and applaud them for their political courage.

The point was to show us that it is no fun having your Internet cut
off, they made that point quite well I think.



Regards,

McTim




> What if liquid was not sponsoring connectivity. How would Ben have
> demonstrated his unnecessary shutdown?
>
>
> Doing such shutdown  on a sponsored link under SLA for a major regional
> event (AIS) does not give honor to liquid telecom.
>
> I would suggest that the AIS conveners signal this to liquid telecom top
> management in their thank you message.
>
> Local host should always ensure high availability by having at least 2
> service providers regardless of how many fiber links one provider can bring
> into the conference after all even during the workshop week, Liquid internet
> was down for 2 hours due to router failure and if there was a second
> provider like Safaricon, Wananchi or Seacom such outage would have been
> avoided.
>
> Local host should ensure more than 1 provider in future AIS event after such
> premeditated situations.
>
> Thanks.
>
> 2017-06-09 14:24 GMT+02:00 Sunday Folayan :
>>
>> Dear Benjamin,
>>
>> There is nothing to investigate on that matter. The community protested
>> the dramatic shutdown with strong words at the mic that day.
>>
>> An apology was tendered by Ben Roberts on the floor immediately. I thought
>> the community closed the matter then.
>>
>> The AIS Programme Committee is in the best position to respond and address
>> the issue of sole connectivity provider. They know what to learn/unlearn
>> from Nairobi.
>>
>> Cheers.
>>
>> Sunday.
>>
>>
>> On Jun 9, 2017 12:24, "Benjamin Eshun"  wrote:
>>
>> Dear Sunday,
>>
>> Thank you for the information.
>>
>> Have we investigated the Internet shutdown which occurred during the
>> AFRINIC Public Policy meeting at AIS2017, in order to clarify the
>> responsibilities of Connectivity sponsor and of AIS NOC team on the Incident
>> ?
>>
>> How come AIS2017 was run with only one Connectivity provider ?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Benjamin
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 5:05 PM, Sunday Folayan  wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Community,
>>>
>>> In my previous communication to the community dated 29th May 2017,
>>> AFRINIC board undertook to further investigate the matter under reference.
>>>
>>> During the course of the investigation, statements were obtained from
>>> Prof. Quaynor as well as others who personally witnessed the incident.
>>>
>>> Mr Alston, has admitted having made the improper remarks, the subject
>>> matter of the incident under reference, in a subsequent apology to the
>>> Board.
>>>
>>> Prof Quaynor has equally apprised the Chairman and Vice- Chairman of the
>>> Board that Mr Alston has privately apologized to him.
>>>
>>> The Board has, after considering the apology tendered, and the nature of
>>> the remarks made, issued a written warning to Mr Alston.
>>>
>>> This is for the information of the Community.
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> Sunday Folayan.
>>>
>>> Chair, AFRINIC Board.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 29/05/2017 14:24, Sunday Folayan wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Community,
>>>
>>> The attention of the AFRINIC Board has been drawn to an incident which
>>> occurred in the hall/lobby of the Boma Hotel, on Saturday 27 May 2017, where
>>> AIS 2017 is being held.
>>>
>>> It has further been confirmed that a sitting board member was involved in
>>> the said incident in which Dr Nii Quaynor, a senior and respected member of
>>> the African Internet community was allegedly subjected to verbal molestation
>>> and humiliation.
>>>
>>> The AFRINIC Board vehemently condemns any inappropriate act that does not
>>> take into consideration the diversity in the community and acceptable norms
>>> within African societies and will not condone such acts.
>>>
>>> The above incident is being further investigated and the Community will
>>> be informed of the outcome.
>>>
>>> Sunday Folayan
>>>
>>> Chair, AFRINIC Board.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> --
>>> Sunday Adekunle Folayan
>>> Managing Director
>>> General data Engineering Services (SKANNET)
>>> 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria
>>> Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523
>>> Email: sfola...@skannet.com.ng, sfola...@gmail.com
>>> ---
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> --
>>> Sunday Adekunle Folayan
>>> Managing Director
>>> General data Engineering Services (SKANNET)
>>> 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria
>>> Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523
>>> Email: sfola...@skannet.com.ng, 

Re: [Community-Discuss] Closure: was: Board Statement on Board Member's Conduct

[Andrew Alston]

You complain because it is abuse – that is what we say about governments 
shutting down the Internet
You say it was unnecessary – but your complaining about it is illustrating the 
exact point we wished to make – shutdowns hurt – shutdowns upset people – 
shutdowns are abusive – shutdowns are bad for business.  You are very clearly 
demonstrating everything we are saying about shutdowns.

As for the 2 hour outage – router failure – well – not exactly – someone 
unplugged it… and further more – irrespective of multiple providers – BGP at 
AIS meetings is announced from a central router – and if said router dies – 
it’s not going to help much – especially if it dies after someone unplugs it LOL

And by the way – there was always the option for another provider to be there – 
unfortunately – one of the providers you mentioned declined on the basis that 
they wanted exclusivity, something that the provider at the conference never 
requested or suggested.

But, Danny, I just want to thank both you and Seun for so clearly illustrating 
the point of how damaging shutdowns are and how they upset people – it is 
hugely appreciated – had that shutdown happened and no one had complained or 
noticed – well, it wouldn’t have gone very far to illustrating the point.  Much 
appreciated.

Andrew

From: Danny 
Date: Friday, 9 June 2017 at 20:31
To: Sunday Folayan 
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC 
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Closure: was: Board Statement on Board 
Member's Conduct

Dear Mark,

Ben Roberts behavior was another abuse of this community's patience.

What if liquid was not sponsoring connectivity. How would Ben have   
demonstrated his unnecessary shutdown?


Doing such shutdown  on a sponsored link under SLA for a major regional event 
(AIS) does not give honor to liquid telecom.

I would suggest that the AIS conveners signal this to liquid telecom top 
management in their thank you message.

Local host should always ensure high availability by having at least 2 service 
providers regardless of how many fiber links one provider can bring into the 
conference after all even during the workshop week, Liquid internet was down 
for 2 hours due to router failure and if there was a second provider like 
Safaricon, Wananchi or Seacom such outage would have been avoided.

Local host should ensure more than 1 provider in future AIS event after such 
premeditated situations.

Thanks.

2017-06-09 14:24 GMT+02:00 Sunday Folayan 
>:
Dear Benjamin,

There is nothing to investigate on that matter. The community protested the 
dramatic shutdown with strong words at the mic that day.

An apology was tendered by Ben Roberts on the floor immediately. I thought the 
community closed the matter then.

The AIS Programme Committee is in the best position to respond and address the 
issue of sole connectivity provider. They know what to learn/unlearn from 
Nairobi.

Cheers.

Sunday.


On Jun 9, 2017 12:24, "Benjamin Eshun" 
> wrote:
Dear Sunday,

Thank you for the information.

Have we investigated the Internet shutdown which occurred during the AFRINIC 
Public Policy meeting at AIS2017, in order to clarify the responsibilities of 
Connectivity sponsor and of AIS NOC team on the Incident ?

How come AIS2017 was run with only one Connectivity provider ?

Thanks
Benjamin

On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 5:05 PM, Sunday Folayan 
> wrote:
Dear Community,
In my previous communication to the community dated 29th May 2017, AFRINIC 
board undertook to further investigate the matter under reference.
During the course of the investigation, statements were obtained from Prof. 
Quaynor as well as others who personally witnessed the incident.
Mr Alston, has admitted having made the improper remarks, the subject matter of 
the incident under reference, in a subsequent apology to the Board.
Prof Quaynor has equally apprised the Chairman and Vice- Chairman of the Board 
that Mr Alston has privately apologized to him.
The Board has, after considering the apology tendered, and the nature of the 
remarks made, issued a written warning to Mr Alston.
This is for the information of the Community.
Kind Regards,
Sunday Folayan.
Chair, AFRINIC Board.

On 29/05/2017 14:24, Sunday Folayan wrote:
Dear Community,

The attention of the AFRINIC Board has been drawn to an incident which occurred 
in the hall/lobby of the Boma Hotel, on Saturday 27 May 2017, where AIS 2017 is 
being held.

It has further been confirmed that a sitting board member was involved in the 
said incident in which Dr Nii Quaynor, a senior and respected member of the 
African Internet community was allegedly subjected to verbal molestation and 
humiliation.

The AFRINIC Board vehemently condemns any inappropriate act that does not take 
into consideration the diversity in 

Re: [Community-Discuss] [AFRINIC-Announce] Common Statement By AF* on Internet Shutdowns in Africa

[Chevalier du Borg]

2017-06-06 17:17 GMT+04:00 Ornella GANKPA :

> We ended up with this statement because this community is resilient and
> survived to the abuse of the AFRINIC PDP by the authors of the
> anti-shutdown policy proposal which unfortunately included a board member
> who somehow failed to recognise that their fiduciary duties extended to
> keeping the PDP on scope and protecting its credibility.
>



>
> One would have expected that after the first statement (1), the board
> would engage other AF* organisations and create the appropriate forum for
> the community to discuss the Internet shutdown issues and lead this
> community to concrete outcomes.
>

But board did not. But even discussion about this on community list show
how immature this community is to discuss issue. we seem more caught up in
'horrible' Andrew and need to fight anyting he propose rather than have
intelligent thing about what may be possible to do.





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Re: [Community-Discuss] Closure: was: Board Statement on Board Member's Conduct

[Chevalier du Borg]

2017-06-09 21:31 GMT+04:00 Danny :

> Ben Roberts behavior was another abuse of this community's patience.
>
> What if liquid was not sponsoring connectivity. How would Ben have
> demonstrated his unnecessary shutdown?
>
>
> Doing such shutdown  on a sponsored link under SLA for a major regional
> event (AIS) does not give honor to liquid telecom.
>
> I would suggest that the AIS conveners signal this to liquid telecom top
> management in their thank you message.
>
> Local host should always ensure high availability by having at least 2
> service providers regardless of how many fiber links one provider can bring
> into the conference after all even during the workshop week, Liquid
> internet was down for 2 hours due to router failure and if there was a
> second provider like Safaricon, Wananchi or Seacom such outage would have
> been avoided.
>
> Local host should ensure more than 1 provider in future AIS event after
> such premeditated situations.
>


Ah yes, and local host shall run 3 paralel connecton to Europe including
incline satellite C-band.
Ah wait! they should also buy all attendee 5G model with 5GB data in case
thing still fail.


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Re: [Community-Discuss] Closure: was: Board Statement on Board Member's Conduct

[Danny]

Dear Mark,

Ben Roberts behavior was another abuse of this community's patience.

What if liquid was not sponsoring connectivity. How would Ben have
demonstrated his unnecessary shutdown?


Doing such shutdown  on a sponsored link under SLA for a major regional
event (AIS) does not give honor to liquid telecom.

I would suggest that the AIS conveners signal this to liquid telecom top
management in their thank you message.

Local host should always ensure high availability by having at least 2
service providers regardless of how many fiber links one provider can bring
into the conference after all even during the workshop week, Liquid
internet was down for 2 hours due to router failure and if there was a
second provider like Safaricon, Wananchi or Seacom such outage would have
been avoided.

Local host should ensure more than 1 provider in future AIS event after
such premeditated situations.

Thanks.

2017-06-09 14:24 GMT+02:00 Sunday Folayan :

> Dear Benjamin,
>
> There is nothing to investigate on that matter. The community protested
> the dramatic shutdown with strong words at the mic that day.
>
> An apology was tendered by Ben Roberts on the floor immediately. I thought
> the community closed the matter then.
>
> The AIS Programme Committee is in the best position to respond and address
> the issue of sole connectivity provider. They know what to learn/unlearn
> from Nairobi.
>
> Cheers.
>
> Sunday.
>
>
> On Jun 9, 2017 12:24, "Benjamin Eshun"  wrote:
>
> Dear Sunday,
>
> Thank you for the information.
>
> Have we investigated the Internet shutdown which occurred during the
> AFRINIC Public Policy meeting at AIS2017, in order to clarify the
> responsibilities of Connectivity sponsor and of AIS NOC team on the
> Incident ?
>
> How come AIS2017 was run with only one Connectivity provider ?
>
> Thanks
>
> Benjamin
>
> On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 5:05 PM, Sunday Folayan  wrote:
>
>> Dear Community,
>>
>> In my previous communication to the community dated 29th May 2017,
>> AFRINIC board undertook to further investigate the matter under reference.
>>
>> During the course of the investigation, statements were obtained from
>> Prof. Quaynor as well as others who personally witnessed the incident.
>>
>> Mr Alston, has admitted having made the improper remarks, the subject
>> matter of the incident under reference, in a subsequent apology to the
>> Board.
>> Prof Quaynor has equally apprised the Chairman and Vice- Chairman of the
>> Board that Mr Alston has privately apologized to him.
>>
>> The Board has, after considering the apology tendered, and the nature of
>> the remarks made, issued a written warning to Mr Alston.
>>
>> This is for the information of the Community.
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Sunday Folayan.
>>
>> Chair, AFRINIC Board.
>>
>> On 29/05/2017 14:24, Sunday Folayan wrote:
>>
>> Dear Community,
>>
>> The attention of the AFRINIC Board has been drawn to an incident which
>> occurred in the hall/lobby of the Boma Hotel, on Saturday 27 May 2017,
>> where AIS 2017 is being held.
>>
>> It has further been confirmed that a sitting board member was involved in
>> the said incident in which Dr Nii Quaynor, a senior and respected member of
>> the African Internet community was allegedly subjected to verbal
>> molestation and humiliation.
>>
>> The AFRINIC Board vehemently condemns any inappropriate act that does not
>> take into consideration the diversity in the community and acceptable norms
>> within African societies and will not condone such acts.
>>
>> The above incident is being further investigated and the Community will
>> be informed of the outcome.
>>
>> Sunday Folayan
>>
>> Chair, AFRINIC Board.
>>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> Sunday Adekunle Folayan
>> Managing Director
>> General data Engineering Services (SKANNET)
>> 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria
>> Phone: +234 802 291 2202 <+234%20802%20291%202202>, +234 816 866 7523 
>> <+234%20816%20866%207523>
>> Email: sfola...@skannet.com.ng, sfola...@gmail.com
>> ---
>>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> Sunday Adekunle Folayan
>> Managing Director
>> General data Engineering Services (SKANNET)
>> 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria
>> Phone: +234 802 291 2202 <+234%20802%20291%202202>, +234 816 866 7523 
>> <+234%20816%20866%207523>
>> Email: sfola...@skannet.com.ng, sfola...@gmail.com
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Re: [Community-Discuss] Closure: was: Board Statement on Board Member's Conduct

[Sunday Folayan]

Dear Benjamin,

There is nothing to investigate on that matter. The community protested the
dramatic shutdown with strong words at the mic that day.

An apology was tendered by Ben Roberts on the floor immediately. I thought
the community closed the matter then.

The AIS Programme Committee is in the best position to respond and address
the issue of sole connectivity provider. They know what to learn/unlearn
from Nairobi.

Cheers.

Sunday.


On Jun 9, 2017 12:24, "Benjamin Eshun"  wrote:

Dear Sunday,

Thank you for the information.

Have we investigated the Internet shutdown which occurred during the
AFRINIC Public Policy meeting at AIS2017, in order to clarify the
responsibilities of Connectivity sponsor and of AIS NOC team on the
Incident ?

How come AIS2017 was run with only one Connectivity provider ?

Thanks

Benjamin

On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 5:05 PM, Sunday Folayan  wrote:

> Dear Community,
>
> In my previous communication to the community dated 29th May 2017, AFRINIC
> board undertook to further investigate the matter under reference.
>
> During the course of the investigation, statements were obtained from
> Prof. Quaynor as well as others who personally witnessed the incident.
>
> Mr Alston, has admitted having made the improper remarks, the subject
> matter of the incident under reference, in a subsequent apology to the
> Board.
> Prof Quaynor has equally apprised the Chairman and Vice- Chairman of the
> Board that Mr Alston has privately apologized to him.
>
> The Board has, after considering the apology tendered, and the nature of
> the remarks made, issued a written warning to Mr Alston.
>
> This is for the information of the Community.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Sunday Folayan.
>
> Chair, AFRINIC Board.
>
> On 29/05/2017 14:24, Sunday Folayan wrote:
>
> Dear Community,
>
> The attention of the AFRINIC Board has been drawn to an incident which
> occurred in the hall/lobby of the Boma Hotel, on Saturday 27 May 2017,
> where AIS 2017 is being held.
>
> It has further been confirmed that a sitting board member was involved in
> the said incident in which Dr Nii Quaynor, a senior and respected member of
> the African Internet community was allegedly subjected to verbal
> molestation and humiliation.
>
> The AFRINIC Board vehemently condemns any inappropriate act that does not
> take into consideration the diversity in the community and acceptable norms
> within African societies and will not condone such acts.
>
> The above incident is being further investigated and the Community will be
> informed of the outcome.
>
> Sunday Folayan
>
> Chair, AFRINIC Board.
>
>
> --
> --
> Sunday Adekunle Folayan
> Managing Director
> General data Engineering Services (SKANNET)
> 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria
> Phone: +234 802 291 2202 <+234%20802%20291%202202>, +234 816 866 7523 
> <+234%20816%20866%207523>
> Email: sfola...@skannet.com.ng, sfola...@gmail.com
> ---
>
>
> --
> --
> Sunday Adekunle Folayan
> Managing Director
> General data Engineering Services (SKANNET)
> 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria
> Phone: +234 802 291 2202 <+234%20802%20291%202202>, +234 816 866 7523 
> <+234%20816%20866%207523>
> Email: sfola...@skannet.com.ng, sfola...@gmail.com
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Re: [Community-Discuss] Closure: was: Board Statement on Board Member's Conduct

[Mark Elkins]

I'm sorry, but what is to investigate? Ben from Liquid stated that he
was going to initiate a partial shutdown of the Internet for
demonstration purposes (to demonstrate what it felt like) for the
duration of his talk on "Internet Shutdowns" policy. He kept to his
word. This was obviously planned in advance. The Internet then came back
on. I thought this was a perfect demonstration.

As for redundancy, Liquid had three separate 10Gbps fibres coming into
the Hotels data room - each running separate routes. As a techie - I
went and eye-balled this myself (I was accompanied). Apart from one room
(Tango) where someone closed a window and damaged the UTP cable to the
WiFi access point - I never experienced any unplanned interruptions from
an Internet prospective. Also, 30Gbps is the highest amount of bandwidth
I've ever seen at an AfriNIC meeting, something rather to be applauded
for. The connectivity back to other parts of Africa was also superb.
then again, they do have the best (including IPv6) Internet presence
across Africa.

You should applaud them too for the great job they did, so they continue
to bring their bandwidth to our Af* meetings. Please don't cut off your
nose to spite your face.


On 09/06/2017 13:24, Benjamin Eshun wrote:
> Dear Sunday,
>
> Thank you for the information.
>
> Have we investigated the Internet shutdown which occurred during the
> AFRINIC Public Policy meeting at AIS2017, in order to clarify the
> responsibilities of Connectivity sponsor and of AIS NOC team on the
> Incident ? 
>
> How come AIS2017 was run with only one Connectivity provider ?
>
> Thanks
>
> Benjamin
>
> On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 5:05 PM, Sunday Folayan  > wrote:
>
> Dear Community,
>
> In my previous communication to the community dated 29th May 2017,
> AFRINIC board undertook to further investigate the matter under
> reference.
>
> During the course of the investigation, statements were obtained
> from Prof. Quaynor as well as others who personally witnessed the
> incident.
>
> Mr Alston, has admittedhaving made the improper remarks, the
> subject matter of the incident under reference, in a subsequent
> apology to the Board.
>
> Prof Quaynor has equally apprised the Chairman and Vice- Chairman
> of the Board that Mr Alstonhas privately apologized to him.
>
> The Board has, after considering the apology tendered, and the
> nature of the remarks made, issued a written warning to Mr Alston.
>
> This is for the information of the Community.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Sunday Folayan.
>
> Chair, AFRINIC Board.
>
>
> On 29/05/2017 14:24, Sunday Folayan wrote:
>> Dear Community,
>>
>> The attention of the AFRINIC Board has been drawn to an incident
>> which occurred in the hall/lobby of the Boma Hotel, on Saturday
>> 27 May 2017, where AIS 2017 is being held.
>>
>> It has further been confirmed that a sitting board member was
>> involved in the said incident in which Dr Nii Quaynor, a senior
>> and respected member of the African Internet community was
>> allegedly subjected to verbal molestation and humiliation.
>>
>> The AFRINIC Board vehemently condemns any inappropriate act that
>> does not take into consideration the diversity in the community
>> and acceptable norms within African societies and will not
>> condone such acts.
>>
>> The above incident is being further investigated and the
>> Community will be informed of the outcome.
>>
>> Sunday Folayan
>>
>> Chair, AFRINIC Board.
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> --
>> Sunday Adekunle Folayan
>> Managing Director
>> General data Engineering Services (SKANNET)
>> 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria
>> Phone: +234 802 291 2202 , +234 816 866 
>> 7523 
>> Email: sfola...@skannet.com.ng , 
>> sfola...@gmail.com 
>> ---
>
> -- 
> --
> Sunday Adekunle Folayan
> Managing Director
> General data Engineering Services (SKANNET)
> 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria
> Phone: +234 802 291 2202 , +234 816 866 7523 
> 
> Email: sfola...@skannet.com.ng , 
> sfola...@gmail.com 
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Re: [Community-Discuss] Closure: was: Board Statement on Board Member's Conduct

[Benjamin Eshun]

Dear Sunday,

Thank you for the information.

Have we investigated the Internet shutdown which occurred during the
AFRINIC Public Policy meeting at AIS2017, in order to clarify the
responsibilities of Connectivity sponsor and of AIS NOC team on the
Incident ?

How come AIS2017 was run with only one Connectivity provider ?

Thanks

Benjamin

On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 5:05 PM, Sunday Folayan  wrote:

> Dear Community,
>
> In my previous communication to the community dated 29th May 2017, AFRINIC
> board undertook to further investigate the matter under reference.
>
> During the course of the investigation, statements were obtained from
> Prof. Quaynor as well as others who personally witnessed the incident.
>
> Mr Alston, has admitted having made the improper remarks, the subject
> matter of the incident under reference, in a subsequent apology to the
> Board.
> Prof Quaynor has equally apprised the Chairman and Vice- Chairman of the
> Board that Mr Alston has privately apologized to him.
>
> The Board has, after considering the apology tendered, and the nature of
> the remarks made, issued a written warning to Mr Alston.
>
> This is for the information of the Community.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Sunday Folayan.
>
> Chair, AFRINIC Board.
>
> On 29/05/2017 14:24, Sunday Folayan wrote:
>
> Dear Community,
>
> The attention of the AFRINIC Board has been drawn to an incident which
> occurred in the hall/lobby of the Boma Hotel, on Saturday 27 May 2017,
> where AIS 2017 is being held.
>
> It has further been confirmed that a sitting board member was involved in
> the said incident in which Dr Nii Quaynor, a senior and respected member of
> the African Internet community was allegedly subjected to verbal
> molestation and humiliation.
>
> The AFRINIC Board vehemently condemns any inappropriate act that does not
> take into consideration the diversity in the community and acceptable norms
> within African societies and will not condone such acts.
>
> The above incident is being further investigated and the Community will be
> informed of the outcome.
>
> Sunday Folayan
>
> Chair, AFRINIC Board.
>
>
> --
> --
> Sunday Adekunle Folayan
> Managing Director
> General data Engineering Services (SKANNET)
> 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria
> Phone: +234 802 291 2202 <+234%20802%20291%202202>, +234 816 866 7523 
> <+234%20816%20866%207523>
> Email: sfola...@skannet.com.ng, sfola...@gmail.com
> ---
>
>
> --
> --
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> Managing Director
> General data Engineering Services (SKANNET)
> 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria
> Phone: +234 802 291 2202 <+234%20802%20291%202202>, +234 816 866 7523 
> <+234%20816%20866%207523>
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Re: [Community-Discuss] Questions about transparency

[Seun Ojedeji]

It's same with what is presented at AIS see here:

https://internetsummitafrica.org/agenda#day-2017-06-01

Regards


On 9 Jun 2017 8:20 AM,  wrote:

> Hi Andrew,
> At 05:23 06-06-2017, Andrew Alston wrote:
>
>> I believe that the NRO actually already publishes a report - I don't know
>> how detailed it is - but what I personally would like to see from AFRINIC
>> is to say "We funded our
>>
>
> I found the following: https://conference.apnic.net/4
> 3/program/schedule/#/day/10/apnic-global-reports
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Re: [Community-Discuss] Questions about transparency

[sm+afrinic]

Hi Andrew,
At 05:23 06-06-2017, Andrew Alston wrote:
I believe that the NRO actually already publishes a report - I don't 
know how detailed it is - but what I personally would like to see 
from AFRINIC is to say "We funded our


I found the following: 
https://conference.apnic.net/43/program/schedule/#/day/10/apnic-global-reports


Regards,
S. Moonesamy 



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