Re: [Community-Discuss] Issue with non-AFRINIC Fellowship to Meeting -

2018-12-10 Thread Ish Sookun
Hi Alan, On 12/10/18 6:54 PM, Alan Barrett wrote: > > At one time, AFRINIC had an arrangement with OIF, where AFRINIC would assist > in arranging travel for OIF fellows, but that arrangement lapsed some years > ago. Are there any published details on the In-Kind Sponsorship [1] for AFRINIC

Re: [Community-Discuss] Issue with non-AFRINIC Fellowship to Meeting -

2018-12-10 Thread Ish Sookun
Hi Andrew, On 12/10/18 5:59 PM, Andrew Alston wrote: > Personally I believe that people should declare their affiliations - > it’s just not required, and actually when I have on at least two > occasions state the organizations who I am making statements on behalf > of - I was told that

Re: [Community-Discuss] Issue with non-AFRINIC Fellowship to Meeting -

2018-12-10 Thread Ish Sookun
Hi Willy, On 12/10/18 5:30 PM, Willy MANGA wrote: > The most important here is : if the organization has a fellowship > program or kind of, I suggested to publish it on their website with > details (announcements, requirements, results,...). > AFRINIC, ICANN fellowship program for instance have

Re: [Community-Discuss] Issue with non-AFRINIC Fellowship to Meeting -

2018-12-10 Thread Chittesh Sham
Hi Alan, Thank you for the information. I understand that AFRINIC is very liberal in allowing external sponsorship by AFRINIC members for their employees to attend AFRINIC meetings and i firmly  believe in this as it encourages others to do the same and grows the community. What i'm curious

Re: [Community-Discuss] Issue with non-AFRINIC Fellowship to Meeting -

2018-12-10 Thread Owen DeLong
> On Dec 10, 2018, at 06:35 , Benjamin Eshun wrote: > > Oga Sunday, > > On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 6:33 AM Sunday Folayan wrote: >> >> Lieutenant General Borg, >> >> I agree to some parts about corrupt companies and innocent states. >> >> It is corruption all the way, if the State owns the

Re: [Community-Discuss] Questions about AfriNIC Allocations

2018-12-10 Thread Willy MANGA
Hi, Le 09/12/2018 à 09:09, Chevalier du Borg a écrit : > [...] > Even though your stat have been prove to be wrong. As former board member > and current operator, you should know that many small ISP in Africa do not > meet the "multi-homing" criteria. So there is natural limit to potential >

Re: [Community-Discuss] Issue with non-AFRINIC Fellowship to Meeting -

2018-12-10 Thread Willy MANGA
Hi, Le 10/12/2018 à 07:23, Chevalier du Borg a écrit : > I have hear of > > - Larus Foundation Fellowship > - OIF Fellowship From my humble point of view, if there is a fellowship-like program in these organizations (and others) a better transparency will be to clearly state on their website:

Re: [Community-Discuss] Issue with non-AFRINIC Fellowship to Meeting -

2018-12-10 Thread Dabu Sifiso
  Great idea Mr Manga, We need to have guideline for sponsoring attendance in forms of fellowship.However much I like the idea, I don't believe it can be enforced as a mandatory practice, but seeing it as a general guideline would be good a good thing and with some help can even be promoted.I

Re: [Community-Discuss] Issue with non-AFRINIC Fellowship to Meeting -

2018-12-10 Thread Andrew Alston
My issue is this... On the one hand - it has been stated on this list that if all delegates sponsored by organization X it is corruption. Firstly that is a totally specious argument that has zero basis in reality. If an idea is bad and multiple people disagree with it and oppose it - that may

Re: [Community-Discuss] Issue with non-AFRINIC Fellowship to Meeting -

2018-12-10 Thread Ish Sookun
Hi Borg, I speak as a former AFRINIC Fellow [1] and your comment regarding the AFRINIC Fellowship doesn't seem clear to me. Do you mean that AFRINIC Fellows take side of a specific company, which is against the community? I'd like to add that the Fellows are on-site during the meeting and anyone

Re: [Community-Discuss] Issue with non-AFRINIC Fellowship to Meeting -

2018-12-10 Thread AMADU YUSIF
To add to that as ones a fellow, fellows are from different background and with no more or less little about AFRINIC processes. With exception of major fellows meetings which fellows required to attend, they are allowed to participate in any other meeting or workshop of their choice. There is

Re: [Community-Discuss] Issue with non-AFRINIC Fellowship to Meeting -

2018-12-10 Thread Ish Sookun
Hi Willy, The agenda as advertised by a fellowship programme and what it actually does on-site might be contradictory. Any organization may write that they are offering a fellowship programme for the betterment of the Internet in the African region, while in fact, they have a more obscure and

Re: [Community-Discuss] Issue with non-AFRINIC Fellowship to Meeting -

2018-12-10 Thread Chittesh Sham
Hi Willy, I agree with you that organisations (outside fellowship programs) should have a set of clearly defined rules both for their fellows as well for other stakeholders involved. But the main parties such as AFRINIC and ICAAN should also set some rules for those outside fellowship

Re: [Community-Discuss] Issue with non-AFRINIC Fellowship to Meeting -

2018-12-10 Thread Willy MANGA
Hi Andrew, Le 10/12/2018 à 14:59, Andrew Alston a écrit : > Hi Willy, > > Just to correct one thing - there is no obligation to state affiliation in > the context of the PDP - in fact anyone is free to state an opinion that is > entirely their own. In this context I consider 'state an opinion

Re: [Community-Discuss] Issue with non-AFRINIC Fellowship to Meeting -

2018-12-10 Thread Alan Barrett
> On 10 Dec 2018, at 18:34, Chittesh Sham wrote: > > Hi Willy, > > I agree with you that organisations (outside fellowship programs) should have > a set of clearly defined rules both for their fellows as well for other > stakeholders involved. > > But the main parties such as AFRINIC and