Re: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] Controversial anti-shutdown policy discussed at RIPE

2017-05-21 Thread Badru Ntege
Mark On 5/14/17, 11:48 AM, "Mark Elkins" wrote: > > >There was one glaring exception, Cameroon. > >November 2016: 63,023 > >May 2017: 31,801 > >That is, over the period of the Cameroon shutdown, the number of domains >registered under .CM decreased by

Re: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] Controversial anti-shutdown policy discussed at RIPE

2017-05-19 Thread Walubengo J
18, 2017 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [rpd] [Community-Discuss] Controversial anti-shutdown policy discussed at RIPE @Walu What, pray is Legitimate Aim'? :-) AliHusseinPrincipalHussein & Associates Tel: +254 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassimSkype: abu-jomoLinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim

Re: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] Controversial anti-shutdown policy discussed at RIPE

2017-05-18 Thread Ish Sookun
Hi Walu, On 18/05/17 19:35, Walubengo J wrote: > a) The shutdown must serve legitimate aim > b) The shutdown is supported/established by (domestic or international) law How can Afrinic "measure" the legitimacy of an action? Afrinic cannot do the job of local courts I presume. In order to

Re: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] Controversial anti-shutdown policy discussed at RIPE

2017-05-18 Thread Ali Hussein
gt; > *Sent:* Monday, May 15, 2017 11:06 AM > *Subject:* Re: [rpd] [Community-Discuss] Controversial anti-shutdown > policy discussed at RIPE > > Ish > > Protests are an expression of freedom of association and speech. Shutting > down the Internet because people are protesting is un

Re: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] Controversial anti-shutdown policy discussed at RIPE

2017-05-15 Thread Ish Sookun
Hi Ali, On 15/05/17 12:05, Ali Hussein wrote: > Protests are an expression of freedom of association and speech. Shutting > down the Internet because people are protesting is unjustified. The very > Governments that are elected by the people should be responsible to the > people. I can see

Re: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] Controversial anti-shutdown policy discussed at RIPE

2017-05-15 Thread Ali Hussein
Ish Protests are an expression of freedom of association and speech. Shutting down the Internet because people are protesting is unjustified. The very Governments that are elected by the people should be responsible to the people. I can see where in some extreme (really extreme) circumstances

Re: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] Controversial anti-shutdown policy discussed at RIPE

2017-05-15 Thread David Conrad
Ish, On May 12, 2017, 9:04 PM +0200, Ish Sookun , wrote: > On 12/05/17 13:33, Tutu Ngcaba wrote: > > Only the Icann chairs is saying will support in that ripe video. But he is > > not aware of challenges like why internet is such reason behind like > > polical ones which is not

Re: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] Controversial anti-shutdown policy discussed at RIPE

2017-05-15 Thread Codarren Velvindron
This is the second time that I will show my dissaproval of the text change proposed by Ish Sookun. For the same proposal again. Best Regards, Codarren On May 14, 2017 00:35, "Ish Sookun" wrote: > Hi Tutu, > > On 14/05/17 00:23, Tutu Ngcaba wrote: > > Now you find we

Re: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] Controversial anti-shutdown policy discussed at RIPE

2017-05-14 Thread Ali Hussein
Mark Thanks for sharing. That Cameroon example is important. I've been following this discourse for a few days and I'm getting the feeling that no one in the community is supporting a shut down right? Or is there among us that do support a shut down? If we then all agree that an Internet

Re: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] Controversial anti-shutdown policy discussed at RIPE

2017-05-14 Thread Mark Elkins
With regard to the damage a shutdown can do: Many of you will know that I am part of a team who has put together a Paper on behalf of ICANN - the project which we call the African DNS Market Study. This includes getting ccTLD stats from all African countries. Because of the difficulty of getting

Re: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] Controversial anti-shutdown policy discussed at RIPE

2017-05-13 Thread Chevalier du Borg
2017-05-13 23:52 GMT+04:00 Boubakar Barry : > Sorry, but with all respect, should we waste more time on this? YES WE SHOULD. While AFRINIC policy may not be right tool for this work, and organisation who mission is "Spearhead Internet development in Africa" cannot keep

Re: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] Controversial anti-shutdown policy discussed at RIPE

2017-05-13 Thread Tutu Ngcaba
Brother David Ok you meet with ICANN Steve please you tell him i am not understood him well in the beggining when i watch this video first time. I got the confused but got it when you explained to me. Sorry for my confusion in the begging. But i thank you for clarification now. But you know

Re: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] Controversial anti-shutdown policy discussed at RIPE

2017-05-13 Thread Mark Elkins
On 13/05/2017 21:52, Boubakar Barry wrote: > On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 7:43 PM, Ish Sookun > wrote: > > The debate seems to focus more on whether "this is our problem or not" > rather than improving the proposal to address the problem. > > >

Re: [Community-Discuss] [rpd] Controversial anti-shutdown policy discussed at RIPE

2017-05-12 Thread Tutu Ngcaba
Brother David Conrad I thank you for a long email and explaination which i will 100% agree with you David. I will not respond now to btother Owen as you got idea i was about to say about government of our Africa which is angry at the Afrinic actionz and decide to punish ISP furthers which makes