Re: [Community-Discuss] Enquiries/clarification

2017-11-03 Thread Badru Ntege 
ybe that voice will get heard – though I suspect that the entire 
board will suddenly become massively active right before the election and we’ll 
get pretty prompt responses as people start looking for votes… same thing you 
see with politicians who disappear right after elections until the time they 
need your votes again….

 

Andrew

 

 

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Hello Community, hope this meets everyone well. I had written a mail on Friday 
the 06th but you all seem mute about it and no reply or response. You all seem 
to overlook as if nothing. It is well. I believe you all have conscience..

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Sunday,

Firstly, thank you for agreeing to the investigation - we will await regular 
progress reports.

Secondly - to say that the board was unware of the fact that I was referring to 
competitions issues - is disingenuous in my view.

I point to an email on the 12/07/2017 sent to the RPD list - which clearly and 
demonstrably makes reference to the competitions act - and to which I got 
replies.

The questions I asked are extremely easy to correlate between that email and 
the email asking the formal questions - Let me quote from aspects of that email:


1. It is fact that the prices per annum paid to AfriNIC by larger members are 
multiple times higher than what they are in certain other registries (there is 
a price differential of in excess of 20 times between AFRINIC and another 
registry in certain categories)
2. The lack of a bi-directional cross-regional transfer policy puts AfriNIC at 
direct risk of being in potential violation of the competitions act of 2007 - 
since AFRINIC is in effect forcing its members to remain using it - and paying 
the prices which they insist on and which the members have no control over
3. The fact that other RIR's DO permit members from other regions to inbound 
transfer space means that there is choice - and the members of AFRINIC are 
being held to ransom through the lack of a transfer policy
4. The argument that the PDP has not granted a transfer policy does not grant 
the company, or the board, immunity from acting within the bounds of the law in 
the area in which it is domiciled.
5. The board - as the effective "owners" of the company - have the power 
implement a transfer policy - because irrespective of what the bylaws say - as 
the sole members of the legal entity that is AFRINIC and as directors - the 
power DOES reside with them.
6. The implementation of any policy that could result in the revocation of 
resources while AFRINIC is continuing to act as a de-facto monopoly that is 
already possibly in direct violation of the competitions act would be shear 
insanity, since it FORCE entities into a position where they either spend a TON 
of money complying with audits which may or may not be justified - or lose 
those resources - with no ability to transfer the hell out.

Basically - what I am saying is - while the competitions aspects have never 
been tested in a court - and actually in Mauritius - never need to be tested in 
a manner that costs anything or involves lawyers - because of the way their 
competitions tribunal works that aspect, when combined with this policy, create

Re: [Community-Discuss] Enquiries/clarification

2017-10-12 Thread uche kenneth 
h pls i dont belong here.. pls can d Admin kindly flush me out of dis
group.. PLEASE I beg..

On Thu, Oct 12, 2017, 10:19 AM S Moonesamy  wrote:

> Hi Owen,
> At 03:50 PM 10-10-2017, Owen DeLong wrote:
> >I believe that in general, an organization like an RIR which is
> >managing resources on behalf of a community and serving as that
> >community's representative in various external fora (ICANN, IGF,
> >etc.) should be as transparent in all of its processes and dealings
> >as possible. This means, IMHO, that unless there is a legitimate
> >need for confidentiality (legal strategies in active litigation,
> >staff salaries, personnel matters, etc.), information should
> >generally be made available to the community by default.
>
> Several years ago, well before transparent was a topic of interest,
> an ex-IAB Chair explained why the IAB published information.  I'll
> make a note of your comment about "by default" without commenting
> about it.  Some of the examples which you provided are already
> covered by the law; it may be different in other countries.
>
> Is there any process which is not transparent?  If that is the case,
> I am okay if you or anyone else wishes to raise it as an issue.
>
> Regards,
> S. Moonesamy
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Re: [Community-Discuss] Enquiries/clarification

2017-10-12 Thread S Moonesamy 

Hi Owen,
At 03:50 PM 10-10-2017, Owen DeLong wrote:
I believe that in general, an organization like an RIR which is 
managing resources on behalf of a community and serving as that 
community's representative in various external fora (ICANN, IGF, 
etc.) should be as transparent in all of its processes and dealings 
as possible. This means, IMHO, that unless there is a legitimate 
need for confidentiality (legal strategies in active litigation, 
staff salaries, personnel matters, etc.), information should 
generally be made available to the community by default.


Several years ago, well before transparent was a topic of interest, 
an ex-IAB Chair explained why the IAB published information.  I'll 
make a note of your comment about "by default" without commenting 
about it.  Some of the examples which you provided are already 
covered by the law; it may be different in other countries.


Is there any process which is not transparent?  If that is the case, 
I am okay if you or anyone else wishes to raise it as an issue.


Regards,
S. Moonesamy 



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Re: [Community-Discuss] Enquiries/clarification

2017-10-10 Thread Ali Hussein 
>
>>
>> I guess we just have to wait till next year to roll around and speak with
>> the ballot – maybe that voice will get heard – though I suspect that the
>> entire board will suddenly become massively active right before the
>> election and we’ll get pretty prompt responses as people start looking for
>> votes… same thing you see with politicians who disappear right after
>> elections until the time they need your votes again….
>>
>>
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *"kutestf...@gmail.com" <kutestf...@gmail.com>
>> *Date: *Sunday, 8 October 2017 at 15:37
>> *To: *"community-discuss-requ...@afrinic.net" <
>> community-discuss@afrinic.net>, "community-discuss@afrinic.net" <
>> community-discuss@afrinic.net>
>> *Subject: *[Community-Discuss] Enquiries/clarification
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello Community, hope this meets everyone well. I had written a mail on
>> Friday the 06th but you all seem mute about it and no reply or response.
>> You all seem to overlook as if nothing. It is well. I believe you all have
>> conscience..
>>
>> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
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>> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2017 12:56:26 +
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>> To: Sunday Folayan <sfola...@gmail.com>, General Discussions of
>> AFRINIC <community-discuss@afrinic.net>
>> Cc: AFRINIC Board of Directors' List <bo...@afrinic.net>
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>> Sunday,
>>
>> Firstly, thank you for agreeing to the investigation - we will await
>> regular progress reports.
>>
>> Secondly - to say that the board was unware of the fact that I was
>> referring to competitions issues - is disingenuous in my view.
>>
>> I point to an email on the 12/07/2017 sent to the RPD list - which
>> clearly and demonstrably makes reference to the competitions act - and to
>> which I got replies.
>>
>> The questions I asked are extremely easy to correlate between that email
>> and the email asking the formal questions - Let me quote from aspects of
>> that email:
>>
>>
>> 1. It is fact that the prices per annum paid to AfriNIC by larger members
>> are multiple times higher than what they are in certain other registries
>> (there is a price differential of in excess of 20 times between AFRINIC and
>> another registry in certain categories)
>> 2. The lack of a bi-directional cross-regional transfer policy puts
>> AfriNIC at direct risk of being in potential violation of the competitions
>> act of 2007 - since AFRINIC is in effect forcing its members to remain
>> using it - and paying the prices which they insist on and which the members
>> have no control over
>> 3. The fact that other RIR's DO permit members from other regions to
>> inbound transfer space means that there is choice - and the members of
>> AFRINIC are being held to ransom through the lack of a transfer policy
>> 4. The argument that the PDP has not granted a transfer policy does not
>> grant the company, or the board, immunity from acting within the bounds of
>> the law in the area in which it is domiciled.
>> 5. The board - as th

Re: [Community-Discuss] Enquiries/clarification

2017-10-09 Thread kutestface 
  Dear Timothy, thanks for your mail. I greatly appreciate. I now understand. I kind of figured that too. It was quiet unfortunate that proper explanation wasn't given. Do have a nice day.Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.From: Timothy Ola AkinfenwaSent: Monday, 9 October 2017 08:57To: kutestf...@gmail.comCc: Andrew Alston; General Discussions of AFRINICSubject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Enquiries/clarificationDear kutestface,I think one of the mails meant something like since you are Nigerian and the next meeting will be in Lagos, you should just register to attend the meeting.My guess is host countries are not considered for sponsorships, if that is correct.Best Regards, Timothy On Oct 9, 2017 6:15 AM,  <kutestf...@gmail.com> wrote:  Hi Andrew, thanks for your mail/response. It is quite unfortunate and indeed well. Till then, most of them forget too that they'd have to give account of all before the God Almighty. Do have a nice day.Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.From: Andrew AlstonSent: Monday, 9 October 2017 05:32To: kutestf...@gmail.com; community-discuss-request@afrinic.netSubject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Enquiries/clarification









Unfortunately – it seems we are having in an era of silence these days from our elected representatives – and when responses do come – they are extremely delayed.
 
I really am curious to see the amount of money spent on travel (in particular board travel) in the next release of the financials – because I’m interested if there is so little time to
 answer the community because the board members are busy flying around to conferences that we never seen any feedback or reports from.
 
I asked on this list before if the board would consent to providing a community report for each board trip taken and paid for with our money – that query – never got answered either – and
 I’m not holding my breath.
 
I guess we just have to wait till next year to roll around and speak with the ballot – maybe that voice will get heard – though I suspect that the entire board will suddenly become massively
 active right before the election and we’ll get pretty prompt responses as people start looking for votes… same thing you see with politicians who disappear right after elections until the time they need your votes again….
 
Andrew
 
 

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Date: Sunday, 8 October 2017 at 15:37
To: "community-discuss-request@afrinic.net" <community-discuss@afrinic.net>, "community-discuss@afrinic.net" <community-discuss@afrinic.net>
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Enquiries/clarification


 

Hello Community, hope this meets everyone well. I had written a mail on Friday the 06th but you all seem mute about it and no reply or response. You all seem to overlook as if nothing. It is well. I believe you all have conscience..

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Re: [Community-Discuss] Enquiries/clarification

2017-10-09 Thread S Moonesamy 

Hi Andrew,
At 09:32 PM 08-10-2017, Andrew Alston wrote:
Unfortunately – it seems we are havingg in an 
era of silence these days from our elected 
representatives – and when responses do come – they are extrxtremely delayed.


I am okay to answer questions as long as they are 
within the boundaries of the legal obligations which I have to follow.


I really am curious to see the amount of money 
spent on travel (in particular board travel) in 
the next release of the financials – because I'm 
interested if there is so little time tto answer 
the community because the board members are busy 
flying around to conferences that we never seen any feedback or reports from.


I asked on this list before if the board would 
consent to providing a community report for each 
board trip taken and paid for with our money – 
that query – never got answeredred either – and I'm not holding my breath.


I attended the last ICANN meeting in South Africa 
and an ISOC event in Flic-en-Flac (Mauritius) as 
a Board member.  Please see the reply to Question 
8 in the message at 
https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2017-October/001727.html


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2017-10-09 Thread Timothy Ola Akinfenwa 
Dear Andrew,
While I am not speaking for or on behalf of the Board, I think your
assertion and position on this matter is rather too harsh and suspicious.

You piled a heap of questions for the Board members forgetting they also
have lives outside AFRINIC. The chairman reliably informed you of how he
has been moving around for sponsorship to host the next meeting. I find it
absurd that all of a sudden you want a lot of questions answered, you want
complete transparency, you want undivided attention and commitment from
Board members, asking for this and that from a board you were actually part
of less than 6 months ago? A board you narrowly missed being re-elected
into?

*For all the good your intention is worth*, I think you should change your
approach to this fact-finding course of yours else someone like me begin to
think you are only out to witch-hunt the Board. This can't just be mere
coincidence please.

My concern is that why didn't you attempt to seek all these clarifications
when you were part of the Board?

Now you are comparing our Board members to politicians? I find this
derogatory IMHO and I think your actions if not checked may spell doom for
this community.

Cheers

On Oct 9, 2017 5:34 AM, "Andrew Alston" <andrew.als...@liquidtelecom.com>
wrote:

> Unfortunately – it seems we are having in an era of silence these days
> from our elected representatives – and when responses do come – they are
> extremely delayed.
>
>
>
> I really am curious to see the amount of money spent on travel (in
> particular board travel) in the next release of the financials – because
> I’m interested if there is so little time to answer the community because
> the board members are busy flying around to conferences that we never seen
> any feedback or reports from.
>
>
>
> I asked on this list before if the board would consent to providing a
> community report for each board trip taken and paid for with our money –
> that query – never got answered either – and I’m not holding my breath.
>
>
>
> I guess we just have to wait till next year to roll around and speak with
> the ballot – maybe that voice will get heard – though I suspect that the
> entire board will suddenly become massively active right before the
> election and we’ll get pretty prompt responses as people start looking for
> votes… same thing you see with politicians who disappear right after
> elections until the time they need your votes again….
>
>
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *"kutestf...@gmail.com" <kutestf...@gmail.com>
> *Date: *Sunday, 8 October 2017 at 15:37
> *To: *"community-discuss-requ...@afrinic.net" <
> community-discuss@afrinic.net>, "community-discuss@afrinic.net" <
> community-discuss@afrinic.net>
> *Subject: *[Community-Discuss] Enquiries/clarification
>
>
>
> Hello Community, hope this meets everyone well. I had written a mail on
> Friday the 06th but you all seem mute about it and no reply or response.
> You all seem to overlook as if nothing. It is well. I believe you all have
> conscience..
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
>   Original Message
> From: community-discuss-requ...@afrinic.net
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> Firstly, thank you for

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  Hi Andrew, thanks for your mail/response. It is quite unfortunate and indeed well. Till then, most of them forget too that they'd have to give account of all before the God Almighty. Do have a nice day.Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.From: Andrew AlstonSent: Monday, 9 October 2017 05:32To: kutestf...@gmail.com; community-discuss-requ...@afrinic.netSubject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Enquiries/clarification









Unfortunately – it seems we are having in an era of silence these days from our elected representatives – and when responses do come – they are extremely delayed.
 
I really am curious to see the amount of money spent on travel (in particular board travel) in the next release of the financials – because I’m interested if there is so little time to
 answer the community because the board members are busy flying around to conferences that we never seen any feedback or reports from.
 
I asked on this list before if the board would consent to providing a community report for each board trip taken and paid for with our money – that query – never got answered either – and
 I’m not holding my breath.
 
I guess we just have to wait till next year to roll around and speak with the ballot – maybe that voice will get heard – though I suspect that the entire board will suddenly become massively
 active right before the election and we’ll get pretty prompt responses as people start looking for votes… same thing you see with politicians who disappear right after elections until the time they need your votes again….
 
Andrew
 
 

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Date: Sunday, 8 October 2017 at 15:37
To: "community-discuss-requ...@afrinic.net" <community-discuss@afrinic.net>, "community-discuss@afrinic.net" <community-discuss@afrinic.net>
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Enquiries/clarification


 

Hello Community, hope this meets everyone well. I had written a mail on Friday the 06th but you all seem mute about it and no reply or response. You all seem to overlook as if nothing. It is well. I believe you all have conscience..

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Sunday,

Firstly, thank you for agreeing to the investigation - we will await regular progress reports.

Secondly - to say that the board was unware of the fact that I was referring to competitions issues - is disingenuous in my view.

I point to an email on the 12/07/2017 sent to the RPD list - which clearly and demonstrably makes reference to the competitions act - and to which I got replies.

The questions I asked are extremely easy to correlate between that email and the email asking the formal questions - Let me quote from aspects of that email:


1. It is fact that the prices per annum paid to AfriNIC by larger members are multiple times higher than what they are in certain other registries (there is a price differential of in

Re: [Community-Discuss] Enquiries/clarification

2017-10-08 Thread Andrew Alston 
Unfortunately – it seems we are having in an era of silence these days from our 
elected representatives – and when responses do come – they are extremely 
delayed.

I really am curious to see the amount of money spent on travel (in particular 
board travel) in the next release of the financials – because I’m interested if 
there is so little time to answer the community because the board members are 
busy flying around to conferences that we never seen any feedback or reports 
from.

I asked on this list before if the board would consent to providing a community 
report for each board trip taken and paid for with our money – that query – 
never got answered either – and I’m not holding my breath.

I guess we just have to wait till next year to roll around and speak with the 
ballot – maybe that voice will get heard – though I suspect that the entire 
board will suddenly become massively active right before the election and we’ll 
get pretty prompt responses as people start looking for votes… same thing you 
see with politicians who disappear right after elections until the time they 
need your votes again….

Andrew


From: "kutestf...@gmail.com" <kutestf...@gmail.com>
Date: Sunday, 8 October 2017 at 15:37
To: "community-discuss-requ...@afrinic.net" <community-discuss@afrinic.net>, 
"community-discuss@afrinic.net" <community-discuss@afrinic.net>
Subject: [Community-Discuss] Enquiries/clarification

Hello Community, hope this meets everyone well. I had written a mail on Friday 
the 06th but you all seem mute about it and no reply or response. You all seem 
to overlook as if nothing. It is well. I believe you all have conscience..

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Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2017 12:56:26 +
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To: Sunday Folayan <sfola...@gmail.com>, General Discussions of
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Sunday,

Firstly, thank you for agreeing to the investigation - we will await regular 
progress reports.

Secondly - to say that the board was unware of the fact that I was referring to 
competitions issues - is disingenuous in my view.

I point to an email on the 12/07/2017 sent to the RPD list - which clearly and 
demonstrably makes reference to the competitions act - and to which I got 
replies.

The questions I asked are extremely easy to correlate between that email and 
the email asking the formal questions - Let me quote from aspects of that email:


1. It is fact that the prices per annum paid to AfriNIC by larger members are 
multiple times higher than what they are in certain other registries (there is 
a price differential of in excess of 20 times between AFRINIC and another 
registry in certain categories)
2. The lack of a bi-directional cross-regional transfer policy puts AfriNIC at 
direct risk of being in potential violation of the competitions act of 2007 - 
since AFRINIC is in effect forcing its members to remain using it - and paying 
the prices which they insist on and which the members have no control over
3. The fact that other RIR's DO permit members from other regions to inbound 
transfer space means that there is choice - and the members of AFRINIC are 
being held to ransom through the lack of a transfer policy
4. The argument that the PDP has not granted a transfer policy does not grant 
the company, or the board, immunity from acting within the bounds of the law in 
the area in which it is domiciled.
5. The board - as the effective "owners" of the company - have the power 
implement a transfer policy - because irrespective of what the bylaws say - as 
the sole memb

[Community-Discuss] Enquiries/clarification

2017-10-08 Thread kutestface 
Hello Community, hope this meets everyone well. I had written a mail on Friday 
the 06th but you all seem mute about it and no reply or response. You all seem 
to overlook as if nothing. It is well. I believe you all have conscience..

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Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2017 12:56:26 +
From: Andrew Alston 
To: Sunday Folayan , General Discussions of
AFRINIC 
Cc: AFRINIC Board of Directors' List 
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions
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Sunday,

Firstly, thank you for agreeing to the investigation - we will await regular 
progress reports.

Secondly - to say that the board was unware of the fact that I was referring to 
competitions issues - is disingenuous in my view.

I point to an email on the 12/07/2017 sent to the RPD list - which clearly and 
demonstrably makes reference to the competitions act - and to which I got 
replies.

The questions I asked are extremely easy to correlate between that email and 
the email asking the formal questions - Let me quote from aspects of that email:


1. It is fact that the prices per annum paid to AfriNIC by larger members are 
multiple times higher than what they are in certain other registries (there is 
a price differential of in excess of 20 times between AFRINIC and another 
registry in certain categories)
2. The lack of a bi-directional cross-regional transfer policy puts AfriNIC at 
direct risk of being in potential violation of the competitions act of 2007 - 
since AFRINIC is in effect forcing its members to remain using it - and paying 
the prices which they insist on and which the members have no control over
3. The fact that other RIR's DO permit members from other regions to inbound 
transfer space means that there is choice - and the members of AFRINIC are 
being held to ransom through the lack of a transfer policy
4. The argument that the PDP has not granted a transfer policy does not grant 
the company, or the board, immunity from acting within the bounds of the law in 
the area in which it is domiciled.
5. The board - as the effective "owners" of the company - have the power 
implement a transfer policy - because irrespective of what the bylaws say - as 
the sole members of the legal entity that is AFRINIC and as directors - the 
power DOES reside with them.
6. The implementation of any policy that could result in the revocation of 
resources while AFRINIC is continuing to act as a de-facto monopoly that is 
already possibly in direct violation of the competitions act would be shear 
insanity, since it FORCE entities into a position where they either spend a TON 
of money complying with audits which may or may not be justified - or lose 
those resources - with no ability to transfer the hell out.

Basically - what I am saying is - while the competitions aspects have never 
been tested in a court - and actually in Mauritius - never need to be tested in 
a manner that costs anything or involves lawyers - because of the way their 
competitions tribunal works that aspect, when combined with this policy, create 
a perfect storm that I honestly believe would destroy afrinic.

Thanks

Andrew

From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfola...@gmail.com]
Sent: 05 October 2017 19:42
To: General Discussions of AFRINIC 
Cc: Andrew Alston ; AFRINIC Board of 
Directors' List 
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions


Dear Mr Alston,

I have been on the road between Abuja and Lagos, rallying support from the 
Nigerian Government for the hosting of the upcoming AFRINIC Meeting in 
November, without access to the Internet.

On a question: We previously understood that you wanted an investigation into 
whether or not the lack of a bi-directional inter-RIR transfer