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Hi Owen, On 6/12/19 3:27 AM, Owen DeLong wrote: > I admit I am not an expert in law and have little understanding of Mauritian > law in particular, but it seems rather absurd to me that a document which > can be inspected at will or “made available upon request” would somehow > preclude further

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> On Jun 11, 2019, at 12:54 AM, Ish Sookun wrote: > > Hi Owen, > > On 5/28/19 9:13 AM, Owen DeLong wrote: >> Indeed, the one and only legitimate item on the agenda was then deferred >> to the next meeting followed by, perhaps, the most absurd question and >> most ridiculous answer in the

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> On Jun 11, 2019, at 6:27 AM, Noah wrote: > > > > On Tue, 11 Jun 2019, 15:27 Mike Silber, > wrote: > Hi Ish > > > On 11 Jun 2019, at 14:08, Ish Sookun > > wrote: > > > > > > Right. I will seek the advice of the Data

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> On Jun 11, 2019, at 12:10 PM, Ish Sookun wrote: > > Hi Andrew, > > On 6/11/19 9:45 PM, Andrew Alston wrote: >> I point you to the companies act of 2001, section 225 sub-section 2(d) >> which states that ANY person upon serving written notice on the company >> of his intention to inspect

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Hi Andrew, On 6/11/19 9:45 PM, Andrew Alston wrote: > I point you to the companies act of 2001, section 225 sub-section 2(d)  > which states that ANY person upon serving written notice on the company > of his intention to inspect the records shall be given access to the > full names and

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-Discuss] Gratitude Hi Mike, On 6/11/19 2:10 PM, Mike Silber wrote: > > No - but I can point you to the Companies Act as well as form S23-F10 > and Section 23 of the DPA > The information provided in the forms are collected & processed by the Registrar of Companies of Mauritius. T

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On Tue, 11 Jun 2019, 15:27 Mike Silber, wrote: > Hi Ish > > > On 11 Jun 2019, at 14:08, Ish Sookun wrote: > > > > > > Right. I will seek the advice of the Data Protection Office on this > matter. > > > I look forward to their response. > >> > >> > > > > I quote from >

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Hi Ish > On 11 Jun 2019, at 14:08, Ish Sookun wrote: > > > Right. I will seek the advice of the Data Protection Office on this matter. > I look forward to their response. >> >> > > I quote from https://afrinic.net/ast/pdf/2019-minutes/20190305-minutes.pdf > > « SM recalled that the Board

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Hi Mike, On 6/11/19 2:10 PM, Mike Silber wrote: > > No - but I can point you to the Companies Act as well as form S23-F10 > and Section 23 of the DPA > The information provided in the forms are collected & processed by the Registrar of Companies of Mauritius. The personal data that is subject

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Hi Ish > On 11 Jun 2019, at 12:55, Ish Sookun wrote: > > Hi Mike, > > On 6/11/19 1:03 PM, Mike Silber wrote: >> By agreeing to become a director of a company one expressly and implicitly >> consents to the publication of personal information in the context of the >> company. >> > > The

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Hi Mike, On 6/11/19 1:03 PM, Mike Silber wrote: > By agreeing to become a director of a company one expressly and implicitly > consents to the publication of personal information in the context of the > company. > The "context of the company" is a vague statement. The DPA is strict on the

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Hi Ish > On 11 Jun 2019, at 09:54, Ish Sookun wrote: >> > > I do not agree with your statement that this is an absurd question. In > fact, I believe it is a legitimate requirement to have the person's > consent before publishing any document that contains personal > information about the

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Hi Owen, On 5/28/19 9:13 AM, Owen DeLong wrote: > Indeed, the one and only legitimate item on the agenda was then deferred > to the next meeting followed  by, perhaps, the most absurd question and > most ridiculous answer in the entire set of minutes: > > “The Chair asked the Board whether

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> On Jun 6, 2019, at 09:43 , Noah wrote: > > Owen, > > On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 8:39 AM Owen DeLong > wrote: > > >> On Jun 3, 2019, at 21:32 , Noah mailto:n...@neo.co.tz>> >> wrote: >> >> Owen >> >> Selective Memory……… > > Not deliberately so, but I will admit

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Owen, On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 8:39 AM Owen DeLong wrote: > > > On Jun 3, 2019, at 21:32 , Noah wrote: > > Owen > > Selective Memory……… > > > Not deliberately so, but I will admit that from the vague and ambiguous > description below, I am unable to reassemble a memory of what you are >

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Hi Sander, I have not said that you are evil. I said "This divisive tactic is evil ". . When I said "when you are defending evil, you will end up being evil". I mean defending what is wrong.* So no "hominem attacks".* Please take your time to read and don't let your emotion (as usual) takes

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Hi Alan and Mc Tim, Sander, consciously or unconsciously, made fallacious statements in his endeavor to praise the outgoing CEO and his supporter, and disgrace those who want to stick to principles and procedures. This divisive tactic is evil and especially when it is coming from someone like

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> Please take your time to read and don't let your emotion (as usual) takes > over your common sense. No worries Benjamin, at the moment my only emotion is laughter :) signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP ___ Community-Discuss

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Hi, Call to the chairs: can you please stop people on this list from making ad hominem attacks against me? I've been called Satan before, now I'm called evil. Despite the entertainment value this is getting a bit annoying... Cheers, Sander ___

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Benjamin, Complaining that a CEO publicized an already public document is, prima facie "micromanangement". As SS said, if you can't see that, then we can't help. Best Regards, McTim On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 6:56 AM Benjamin Ledoh wrote: > Hi Sander, > > It seems to me that you have not got

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Benjamin, When any board needs to formalise exactly how a CEO is to share a specific public document, that is micromanagement! I would go so far as to say it's so bad because: - when a CEO needs to formalise exactly how a Marketing Director is to share a specific public document, that is

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Hi Sander, It seems to me that you have not got my points well. I will rephrase them differently and give my last comments. Based on the minutes of the board, you sent an email accusing the board of micromanagement. When I asked you to point it out in the minutes, you directed me to textbook. I

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in bad faith. >> >> >> >> So – while I stand by my statements that I believe the board as a whole >> should resign – particularly in light of the fact that not a single director >> objected to the charges brought and the fact that the meeting was being held

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To update: On 28/05/2019 16:38, Frank Habicht wrote: > any commitment to do that would probably gain the candidate some extra > votes > ;-) this does not apply any more. Frank ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net

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bjected to the charges brought and the fact that the meeting was >> being held in the first place – thereby lending credibility to a clear cut >> act of bad faith – and therefore also acting against the best interests of >> the company – I need to state – that this in particula

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t; I need to state – that this in particular applies both the Chair and Serge > Ilunga – both of whom in my mind CLEARLY violated the companies act and their > fiduciary duties as is clearly documented in those minutes. > > > > Hence – I reiterate my call for the resignation of

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Hi Benjamin, > When I asked you to prove your hasty generalization “all responsibility and > autonomy of the CEO has been taken away”, you disappeared, and no answer > never come. It stands now there is no way you can justify because the > “micromanagement” you are accusing the board to

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my call for the resignation of the directors. > > > > Thanks > > > > Andrew > > > > *From: *Alan Barrett > *Date: *Friday, 31 May 2019 at 20:55 > *To: *General Discussions of AFRINIC > *Cc: *AFRINIC Board of Directors' List > *Subjec

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Hi Sander, Last week Monday, you made an assertion concerning the micromanagement of AFRINIC organization. When I asked you to point out where the micromanagement is in the minutes, you rather responded that “all responsibility and autonomy of the CEO has been taken away” and referring me to

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Dear Andrew, At 04:32 AM 31-05-2019, Andrew Alston wrote: * The members in question that released information did it in their capacity as board members and would have received that information under that capacity. This is not true – read the court papers – each member was a ra respondent

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Dear Alan, Thank you for contacting me. I asked a representative of a Resource Member for feedback about your request. In reply, I was asked about the logical basis for the request. Would it be possible for you to elaborate on that? If the request is in relation to the legal case, there

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Thank you, Alan. I hope the board will not express further contempt over your disclosure of this document. Owen > On May 31, 2019, at 10:54 , Alan Barrett wrote: > > > >> On 28 May 2019, at 14:49, Frank Habicht wrote: >> >> Dear AfriNIC board members, >> >> reference is made in below

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> On May 31, 2019, at 04:22 , Badru Ntege wrote: > > From what I see here > > A collective and binding decision was made by board to release information at > an appropriate time. That decision would have been bidding to all board > members as per procedure. I see no such decision…

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Dear Alan, Thanks very much. Regards, Frank On 31/05/2019 20:54, Alan Barrett wrote: > > >> On 28 May 2019, at 14:49, Frank Habicht wrote: >> >> Dear AfriNIC board members, >> >> reference is made in below email, and also in several other discussion >> items regarding AfriNIC and its

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duties as is clearly documented in those minutes. Hence – I reiterate my call for the resignation of the directors. Thanks Andrew From: Alan Barrett Date: Friday, 31 May 2019 at 20:55 To: General Discussions of AFRINIC Cc: AFRINIC Board of Directors' List Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss

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> On 28 May 2019, at 14:49, Frank Habicht wrote: > > Dear AfriNIC board members, > > reference is made in below email, and also in several other discussion > items regarding AfriNIC and its governance, to an NDA that board members > are to adhere to. > > Can you share the document please?

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On Fri, 31 May 2019, 13:38 Alan Levin, wrote: > Dear S. > > The situation is apalling! The Southern rep is currently suspended from > his job we still do not know why the rest of the board appears to > have jointly angered the CEO into resignation... I am surprised you have > not

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Let’s make it generic, so it is easier to understand for everyone. Note that I’m not a lawyer, but law is generally very logic. So: In law, you can’t hide documents that are already public. Moreover, an organization (membership or any other type), can’t have rules that go *against* the law.

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t; mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Gratitude @Andrew I thot AfriNIC has a well-established mechanism for supporting or not supporting the current chair. I am sure you recall this used to happen every year after new members join the board and a vote is

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Badru, On Fri, 31 May 2019 at 13:21, Badru Ntege wrote: > From what I see here > > A collective and binding decision was made by board to release > information at an appropriate time. That decision would have been bidding > to all board members as per procedure. > Clearly this was a poor

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@afrinic.net Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Gratitude (off-topic) Is this not the time for a vote of no confidence in the chairman / some of the board? Wayne From: Alan Levin mailto:alanle...@gmail.com> > Sent: 31 May 2019 11:29 AM To: S. Moonesamy mailto:sm...@afrinic.net

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forward to hosting you all in beautiful Kampala for AIS19 Regards BN From: John Walu Date: Friday, May 31, 2019 at 11:08 AM To: Andrew Alston Cc: "community-discuss@afrinic.net" Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Gratitude @Andrew I thot AfriNIC has a well-established mechanism for

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Is this not the time for a vote of no confidence in the chairman / some of the board? Wayne From: Alan Levin Sent: 31 May 2019 11:29 AM To: S. Moonesamy Cc: community-discuss@afrinic.net Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Gratitude (off-topic) Dear S. The situation is apalling

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Dear S. The situation is apalling! The Southern rep is currently suspended from his job we still do not know why the rest of the board appears to have jointly angered the CEO into resignation... I am surprised you have not resigned yet why are you still there? Alan On Thu, 30 May

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To:* community-discuss@afrinic.net > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Gratitude > > > > Hi, > > reading > https://www.afrinic.net/ast/pdf/2018-minutes/20181231-minutes.pdf > > especially: > > SO stated that he had requested via email for the Board to announce t

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Hi Andrew I think you are now trolling and If I was you, I wouldn't put words into other people's (majority community) mouths. Maybe people are not interested in responding since everyone (community and sponsors alike) is busy preparing for the upcoming AIS event in a couple of weeks as per

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: [Community-Discuss] Gratitude Hi, reading https://www.afrinic.net/ast/pdf/2018-minutes/20181231-minutes.pdf<https://www.afrinic.net/ast/pdf/2018-minutes/20181231-minutes.pdf> especially: SO stated that he had requested via email for the Board to announce the status of the AGMM quorum cour

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Dear Andrew, At 10:13 AM 30-05-2019, Andrew Alston wrote: Is the board prepared to share the full unredacted accountability assessment with the community if it has not already been done (I don't recall it have being done so) Thank you for contacting me. In my opinion, it may possible to

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at least – and the wider community possibly to see this report Andrew From: "S. Moonesamy" Date: Thursday, 30 May 2019 at 18:16 To: Mike Silber , "community-discuss@afrinic.net" Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Gratitude (off-topic) Dear Mike, At 03:16 AM 30-05-201

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inferred status on > other members, or is that not the case? I’m curious to know the answer from > a legal perspective. > > Andrew > > > From: Mike Silber > Sent: Thursday, 30 May 2019 13:16 > To: S. Moonesamy > Cc: community-discuss@afrinic.net > Subjec

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Dear Mike, At 03:16 AM 30-05-2019, Mike Silber wrote: As you well know, the Members include Registered Members, Resource Members and Associate Members, however only the Registered Members (i.e. the Directors) have any authority under the Mauritian Companies Act and the Resource Members and

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Hi SM > On 30 May 2019, at 11:39, S. Moonesamy wrote: > > I was reminded [1] of AFPUB-2018-GEN-001-DRAFT02 when I read the above. > > I spent some time in December 2018 discussing about the legal aspects as it > was difficult to understand the difference(s) mentioned above. In my >

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Dear Mike, At 08:02 AM 29-05-2019, Mike Silber wrote: This is a useful resource - though many of the references are South African legal requirements, they are similar to many others found elsewhere. Thank you for sharing those requirements. I think one of the biggest challenges is that

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+1… Well said, Dewole!! Owen > On May 29, 2019, at 2:32 AM, Adewole Ajao wrote: > > My worry in all of this is that these board meeting minutes imply that an > AFRINIC director (or directors) attempted to remove another director because > he "violated the NDA" by sharing a public document

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Dear Sander and Mark, Yesterday, following your submissions, I asked you one question each and it seems to me that you have not read it or forgotten about it. They are bellow: To Sander -> Can you prove that "all responsibility and autonomy of the CEO has been taken away"? To Mark -> Has the

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Hi Adewole This is a useful resource - though many of the references are South African legal requirements, they are similar to many others found elsewhere. http://www.governance.org.za/wp-content/uploads/NPO-Code-Web-Version.pdf

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I think the mandate of AFRINIC has to be visited. I am for Accountable leadership and transparency. The community deserves accountability to what is happening. If the documents are for public domain, then nothing should be hidden. ᐧ On Wed, 29 May 2019 at 12:33, Adewole Ajao wrote: > My worry

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My worry in all of this is that these board meeting minutes imply that an AFRINIC director (or directors) attempted to remove another director because he "violated the NDA" by sharing a public document with the community. I rush to conclude that it was an attempt to remove a director from the

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Gentlemen, The "AGMM is a board prerogative and the board follows normal practices in dealing with it. Even if in the case of AfriNIC,  the CEO ends up being a full board member, instead of an ex-officio,  the CEO ought to respect separation between the board and management. In all cases the

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Gentlemen, The "AGMM is a board prerogative and the board follows normal practices in dealing with it. Even if in the case of AfriNIC,  the CEO ends up being a full board member, instead of an ex-officio,  the CEO ought to respect separation between the board and management. In all cases the

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t – if you have no shame – resign – now.  I would say to >> the chair for your abject failure – resign – now.  I would say to >> every member who consented to the final sections of that document – >> resign – now. >> >>   >> >> Andrew >> >>   >

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*Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Gratitude Dear Sander, In your email to the community, you wrote > I am surprised at the level of micro-management that CEO Alan Barrett has to deal with. I have read the minutes and I could not see any trace that is related to “micro-management”. Rat

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Dear Mark, Has the CEO told you that he resigned because "all responsibility and autonomy has been taken away"? Thanks Benjiloh On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 1:08 PM Mark Elkins wrote: > > On 2019/05/28 14:56, Benjamin Ledoh wrote: > > Dear Sander, > > You could not point out the issue of

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On 2019/05/28 14:56, Benjamin Ledoh wrote: Dear Sander, You could not point out the issue of micromanagement in the minutes and moreover, you have made another mistake. Can you prove that "all responsibility and autonomy of the CEO has been taken away"? ... and you then wonder why the

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Dear Sander, You could not point out the issue of micromanagement in the minutes and moreover, you have made another mistake. Can you prove that "all responsibility and autonomy of the CEO has been taken away"? Thanks Benjiloh On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 12:31 PM Sander Steffann wrote:

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: Re: [Community-Discuss] Gratitude Dear Sander, In your email to the community, you wrote > I am surprised at the level of micro-management that CEO Alan Barrett has to > deal with. I have read the minutes and I could not see any trace that is related to “micro-management”.

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Hello Benjamin, > In your email to the community, you wrote > > > I am surprised at the level of micro-management that CEO Alan Barrett has > > to deal with. > > I have read the minutes and I could not see any trace that is related to > “micro-management”. Rather the discussion revolved

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Dear Sander, In your email to the community, you wrote > I am surprised at the level of micro-management that CEO Alan Barrett has to deal with. I have read the minutes and I could not see any trace that is related to “micro-management”. Rather the discussion revolved around the procedure to

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I agree with you on this since the NDA has always been white elephant in the room let members have a look or say on it regards Barry macharia > On 28 May 2019, at 13:49, Frank Habicht wrote: > > Dear AfriNIC board members, > > reference is made in below email, and also in several other

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Dear AfriNIC board members, reference is made in below email, and also in several other discussion items regarding AfriNIC and its governance, to an NDA that board members are to adhere to. Can you share the document please? I'm convinced that people have seen it before they signed the NDA.

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Yes, I have to echo what Sander says here… The topic title is intentionally inflammatory and misleading (“Management violation of a contractual obligation”) as if management has a contractual obligation to hide public documents from this community? The document disclosed by Alan to the

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Hello, I was just reading the board minutes at https://www.afrinic.net/ast/pdf/2019-minutes/20190305-minutes.pdf and I am surprised at the level of micro-management that CEO Alan Barrett has to deal with. In those minutes both Alan and Seun Ojedeji seem to be reprimanded for being open and