Re: [Community-Discuss] NomCom Chairs Private Message

[Owen DeLong]

> On Mar 19, 2020, at 01:24 , Komi Elitcha  wrote:
> 
> Dear Walu,
> 
> I hope you read Marcus introductory message on the topic including the 
> questions raised.
> 
> As someone who served on many NomCom and former board member, I do assume you 
> understand very well the role and responsibilities of NomCom members and the 
> meaning of the following text from the elections guidelines:
> 
> 
> ***
> “The Board further expects NomCom members to:
> be neutral; to have no interest in the results of the elections;..”
> ***
> 
> I am glad you concluded your message by encouraging  NomCom members to do 
> their job without fear or favor...I see convergence as the overall goal  is 
> to make sure NomCom members remain neutral and fair and not conflicted.
> 
> On a more general note, I tend to conclude that having only  4 NomCom 
> members(not domiciled in a region whose seat is open for renewal ...) 
> advertising and searching candidates in their tiny personal network can only 
> give the results we’ve seen recently with few number of candidates per seat.

You are assuming a fact not in evidence here. Namely, you are assuming that 
they are advertising and searching ONLY in their “tiny personal network”.

If that is the case, then I agree there is malfeasance. Not in reaching out to 
their personal networks (which I don’t think are so tiny in many cases), but in 
failing to reach out to other potential sources in addition to their personal 
networks.

Do you have any evidence or reason t believe that is the case, or are you 
simply casting aspersions because you choose to do so?

> Evidently, Afrinic demands nomcom be regional and ones own network could be 
> limiting 

Ones own network is limiting only if one limits ones self to ones own network 
exclusive of other alternatives. There is no reason not to encompass both in 
the search for qualified candidates. Indeed, I see it as the duty of the noncom 
to tap into all reasonable possibilities for finding qualified candidates. I 
have no reason to believe that is not what they are doing. Do you?

Owen

> 
> Hope this help,
> 
> - Komi
> 
>> On Mar 15, 2020, at 15:40, John Walu > > wrote:
>> 
>> I am also struggling to understand the 'crime'.
>> 
>> I served on several past Nomination Committees and my first line of 
>> advertising/recruitment was always my own networks. For the simple reason 
>> that  I really didn't have access to OTHER peoples networks.
>> 
>> AfriNIC has in recent times struggled to raise multiple candidates per seat 
>> and so NomComm Members and Chair should be encouraged to cast their search 
>> as wide as possiblenaturally charity, would I presume to begin from home.
>> 
>> So evidence or no evidence, NOMCOM please keep advertising and searching 
>> without fear or favor.
>> 
>> walu
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: Marcus K. G. Adomey [mado...@hotmail.com ]
>> Sent: 09 March 2020 18:50
>> To: community-discuss@afrinic.net 
>> Subject: [Community-Discuss] NomCom Chairs Private Message
>> 
>> Dear Community,
>> 
>> Our goodwill advocates have sighted an email message from the recently 
>> appointed and current NomCom chair to his favorite private mailing list in 
>> South Africa soliciting applications from the country in question. 
>> 
>> 
>> As a community, we have a few questions to ensure fairness in terms of 
>> recruitment of people based on merit and most importantly diversity. 
>> 
>> 1. Would the NomCom please share announcements equally well across other 
>> African countries to the same extent as the NomCom chair is doing for 
>> specifically South Africa?
>> 
>> 
>> 2. Is this a personal act or was this done in his capacity as the NomCom 
>> chair where utmost objective neutrality is expected.
>> 
>> 
>> 3. The said message asks for more South African representation even though 
>> it indicates SA already has a seat.
>> 
>> Does this show some level of bias from the chairman of NomCom.
>> 
>> 4. The said email indicates that the best way to influence the organization 
>> (meaning AfriNIC) is by getting involved and appeals for people on the said 
>> list to do so.
>> 
>> This shows intent of bias focused on a specific country with aim of control 
>> while  development is totally forgotten.
>> 
>> 
>> Marcus
>> 
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Re: [Community-Discuss] NomCom Chairs Private Message

[Komi Elitcha]

Dear Walu,

I hope you read Marcus introductory message on the topic including the 
questions raised.

As someone who served on many NomCom and former board member, I do assume you 
understand very well the role and responsibilities of NomCom members and the 
meaning of the following text from the elections guidelines:


***
“The Board further expects NomCom members to:
be neutral; to have no interest in the results of the elections;..”
***

I am glad you concluded your message by encouraging  NomCom members to do their 
job without fear or favor...I see convergence as the overall goal  is to make 
sure NomCom members remain neutral and fair and not conflicted.

On a more general note, I tend to conclude that having only  4 NomCom 
members(not domiciled in a region whose seat is open for renewal ...) 
advertising and searching candidates in their tiny personal network can only 
give the results we’ve seen recently with few number of candidates per seat.

Evidently, Afrinic demands nomcom be regional and ones own network could be 
limiting 

Hope this help,

- Komi

> On Mar 15, 2020, at 15:40, John Walu  wrote:
> 
> I am also struggling to understand the 'crime'.
> 
> I served on several past Nomination Committees and my first line of 
> advertising/recruitment was always my own networks. For the simple reason 
> that  I really didn't have access to OTHER peoples networks.
> 
> AfriNIC has in recent times struggled to raise multiple candidates per seat 
> and so NomComm Members and Chair should be encouraged to cast their search as 
> wide as possiblenaturally charity, would I presume to begin from home.
> 
> So evidence or no evidence, NOMCOM please keep advertising and searching 
> without fear or favor.
> 
> walu
> 
> 
> 
> From: Marcus K. G. Adomey [mado...@hotmail.com ]
> Sent: 09 March 2020 18:50
> To: community-discuss@afrinic.net 
> Subject: [Community-Discuss] NomCom Chairs Private Message
> 
> Dear Community,
> 
> Our goodwill advocates have sighted an email message from the recently 
> appointed and current NomCom chair to his favorite private mailing list in 
> South Africa soliciting applications from the country in question. 
> 
> 
> As a community, we have a few questions to ensure fairness in terms of 
> recruitment of people based on merit and most importantly diversity. 
> 
> 1. Would the NomCom please share announcements equally well across other 
> African countries to the same extent as the NomCom chair is doing for 
> specifically South Africa?
> 
> 
> 2. Is this a personal act or was this done in his capacity as the NomCom 
> chair where utmost objective neutrality is expected.
> 
> 
> 3. The said message asks for more South African representation even though it 
> indicates SA already has a seat.
> 
> Does this show some level of bias from the chairman of NomCom.
> 
> 4. The said email indicates that the best way to influence the organization 
> (meaning AfriNIC) is by getting involved and appeals for people on the said 
> list to do so.
> 
> This shows intent of bias focused on a specific country with aim of control 
> while  development is totally forgotten.
> 
> 
> Marcus
> 
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Re: [Community-Discuss] NomCom Chairs Private Message

[ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE]

Dear John,
Thank you for this.
I was asking myself, has the role of  NOMCOM changed from  looking for
suitable candidates?
Abdulkarim



On Sun, 15 Mar 2020, 15:43 John Walu,  wrote:

> I am also struggling to understand the 'crime'.
>
> I served on several past Nomination Committees and my first line of
> advertising/recruitment was always *my own networks. *For the simple
> reason that  I really didn't have access to *OTHER peoples networks.*
>
> AfriNIC has in recent times struggled to raise multiple candidates per
> seat and so NomComm Members and Chair should be encouraged to cast their
> search as wide as possiblenaturally charity, would I presume to begin
> from home.
>
> So evidence or no evidence, NOMCOM please keep advertising and searching
> without fear or favor.
>
> walu
>
> On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 3:51 PM Andrew Alston <
> andrew.als...@liquidtelecom.com> wrote:
>
>> Quite frankly without the alleged communication  and evidence - I
>> consider this entire thread spurious and a waste of time - and it should
>> probably head straight to dev/null where I will now place it - especially
>> considering it’s source - Hi Benjamin.
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
>> --
>> *From:* Marcus K. G. Adomey 
>> *Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2020 10:48:18 PM
>> *To:* Sunday Folayan 
>> *Cc:* community-discuss@afrinic.net 
>> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] NomCom Chairs Private Message
>>
>> Hi Sunday,
>>
>> Actually, Badru did see something wrong in the action posed by the NomCom
>> chair ... Badru mentioned an oversight
>>
>> My 1st mail on this issue clearly raised few questions which only the
>> author of the action can respond to. I did not share the solicitation mail
>> as the derived questions and comments seem enough to explain its content
>> and the recriminations. The intent is not to make a tremendous issue ...
>> but seek commitment of NomCom to remain neutral, fair and transparent.
>>
>> As you want the evidences, I would expect the NomCom chair to play full
>> transparency and share the message and respond to the questions to clear
>> the air.
>>
>> The incident might be closed thereafter
>>
>> Hope this helps
>>
>>
>> Marcus
>>
>> --
>> *From:* Sunday Folayan 
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 2:00 PM
>> *To:* Marcus K. G. Adomey 
>> *Cc:* Badru Ntege ;
>> community-discuss@afrinic.net 
>> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] NomCom Chairs Private Message
>>
>> Hi Marcus,
>>
>> I agree with Badru. I was not sure your Email was inviting any comment or
>> response from the NOMCOM Chair, as the said solicitation email was not
>> shared. In my little corner, I was remembering that the Southern Africa and
>> Western Africa regions cannot contest in the current Board Elections. This
>> is certainly the reason why NOMCOM is made of people from Southern Africa
>> and Western Africa, who cannot run for Board positions.
>>
>> Of course, I understand the Independent Board seats are not filled via
>> any regional affiliation, but if you want to push some issue of conflict of
>> interests, you may send the evidences to the Board and I expect working
>> with the Governance Committee, they can take a good look at it to ensure
>> fairness, openness and transparency.
>>
>> Pushing it further here, will only ginger some mob action, which is not
>> in the overall interest of the organization.
>>
>> Just my personal thoughts.
>>
>> Have a nice day.
>>
>> Sunday.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 2:22 PM Marcus K. G. Adomey 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Badru,
>>
>> I have your email and thank you. BUT this constant attempts to undermine
>> serious issues, by not giving them the required attention, is not helpful
>> and not healthy.
>>
>> How do you propose healing wounds without admission of wrongdoing?
>>
>> How can we build trust when senior people like the current NomCom behave
>> like that?
>>
>> When people are turning things personal, country and local community
>>  based, instead of thinking regional as per Afrinic mandate.
>> It has been almost 3 days that the questions were asked and the NomCom
>> chair did not even bother addressing  the concerns raised.
>>
>> How would people trust the NomCom and the upcoming elections?
>>
>>
>>
>> Marcus
>> --
>> *From:* Badru 

Re: [Community-Discuss] NomCom Chairs Private Message

[Badru Ntege]

Members

I ask that the message on this is clear and we end this thread.  Lets focus on 
building and not breaking.  It was clear that last election our cousins from 
the south did not take elections seriously so lets allow the fact that NOMCOM 
chair found it necesary to encourage the region to be active.

The method used might not have been tactical enough for some but as i said 
earler lets take it as an oversight and move on.

We need good qualified candidates.

regards





From: John Walu [walu.j...@gmail.com]
Sent: 15 March 2020 17:40
To: Andrew Alston
Cc: community-discuss@afrinic.net
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] NomCom Chairs Private Message

I am also struggling to understand the 'crime'.

I served on several past Nomination Committees and my first line of 
advertising/recruitment was always my own networks. For the simple reason that  
I really didn't have access to OTHER peoples networks.

AfriNIC has in recent times struggled to raise multiple candidates per seat and 
so NomComm Members and Chair should be encouraged to cast their search as wide 
as possiblenaturally charity, would I presume to begin from home.

So evidence or no evidence, NOMCOM please keep advertising and searching 
without fear or favor.

walu

On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 3:51 PM Andrew Alston 
mailto:andrew.als...@liquidtelecom.com>> wrote:
Quite frankly without the alleged communication  and evidence - I consider this 
entire thread spurious and a waste of time - and it should probably head 
straight to dev/null where I will now place it - especially considering it’s 
source - Hi Benjamin.

Andrew

Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

From: Marcus K. G. Adomey mailto:mado...@hotmail.com>>
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 10:48:18 PM
To: Sunday Folayan mailto:sfola...@gmail.com>>
Cc: community-discuss@afrinic.net<mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net> 
mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] NomCom Chairs Private Message

Hi Sunday,

Actually, Badru did see something wrong in the action posed by the NomCom chair 
... Badru mentioned an oversight

My 1st mail on this issue clearly raised few questions which only the author of 
the action can respond to. I did not share the solicitation mail as the derived 
questions and comments seem enough to explain its content and the 
recriminations. The intent is not to make a tremendous issue ... but seek 
commitment of NomCom to remain neutral, fair and transparent.

As you want the evidences, I would expect the NomCom chair to play full 
transparency and share the message and respond to the questions to clear the 
air.

The incident might be closed thereafter

Hope this helps


Marcus


From: Sunday Folayan mailto:sfola...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 2:00 PM
To: Marcus K. G. Adomey mailto:mado...@hotmail.com>>
Cc: Badru Ntege 
mailto:badru.nt...@nftconsult.com>>; 
community-discuss@afrinic.net<mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net> 
mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] NomCom Chairs Private Message

Hi Marcus,

I agree with Badru. I was not sure your Email was inviting any comment or 
response from the NOMCOM Chair, as the said solicitation email was not shared. 
In my little corner, I was remembering that the Southern Africa and Western 
Africa regions cannot contest in the current Board Elections. This is certainly 
the reason why NOMCOM is made of people from Southern Africa and Western 
Africa, who cannot run for Board positions.

Of course, I understand the Independent Board seats are not filled via any 
regional affiliation, but if you want to push some issue of conflict of 
interests, you may send the evidences to the Board and I expect working with 
the Governance Committee, they can take a good look at it to ensure fairness, 
openness and transparency.

Pushing it further here, will only ginger some mob action, which is not in the 
overall interest of the organization.

Just my personal thoughts.

Have a nice day.

Sunday.


On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 2:22 PM Marcus K. G. Adomey 
mailto:mado...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Dear Badru,

I have your email and thank you. BUT this constant attempts to undermine 
serious issues, by not giving them the required attention, is not helpful and 
not healthy.

How do you propose healing wounds without admission of wrongdoing?

How can we build trust when senior people like the current NomCom behave like 
that?

When people are turning things personal, country and local community  based, 
instead of thinking regional as per Afrinic mandate.
It has been almost 3 days that the questions were asked and the NomCom chair 
did not even bother addressing  the concerns raised.

How would people trust the NomCom and the upcoming elections?



Marcus

From: Badru Ntege 
ma

Re: [Community-Discuss] NomCom Chairs Private Message

[John Walu]

I am also struggling to understand the 'crime'.

I served on several past Nomination Committees and my first line of
advertising/recruitment was always *my own networks. *For the simple reason
that  I really didn't have access to *OTHER peoples networks.*

AfriNIC has in recent times struggled to raise multiple candidates per seat
and so NomComm Members and Chair should be encouraged to cast their search
as wide as possiblenaturally charity, would I presume to begin from
home.

So evidence or no evidence, NOMCOM please keep advertising and searching
without fear or favor.

walu

On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 3:51 PM Andrew Alston <
andrew.als...@liquidtelecom.com> wrote:

> Quite frankly without the alleged communication  and evidence - I consider
> this entire thread spurious and a waste of time - and it should probably
> head straight to dev/null where I will now place it - especially
> considering it’s source - Hi Benjamin.
>
> Andrew
>
> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
> --
> *From:* Marcus K. G. Adomey 
> *Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2020 10:48:18 PM
> *To:* Sunday Folayan 
> *Cc:* community-discuss@afrinic.net 
> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] NomCom Chairs Private Message
>
> Hi Sunday,
>
> Actually, Badru did see something wrong in the action posed by the NomCom
> chair ... Badru mentioned an oversight
>
> My 1st mail on this issue clearly raised few questions which only the
> author of the action can respond to. I did not share the solicitation mail
> as the derived questions and comments seem enough to explain its content
> and the recriminations. The intent is not to make a tremendous issue ...
> but seek commitment of NomCom to remain neutral, fair and transparent.
>
> As you want the evidences, I would expect the NomCom chair to play full
> transparency and share the message and respond to the questions to clear
> the air.
>
> The incident might be closed thereafter
>
> Hope this helps
>
>
> Marcus
>
> --
> *From:* Sunday Folayan 
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 2:00 PM
> *To:* Marcus K. G. Adomey 
> *Cc:* Badru Ntege ;
> community-discuss@afrinic.net 
> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] NomCom Chairs Private Message
>
> Hi Marcus,
>
> I agree with Badru. I was not sure your Email was inviting any comment or
> response from the NOMCOM Chair, as the said solicitation email was not
> shared. In my little corner, I was remembering that the Southern Africa and
> Western Africa regions cannot contest in the current Board Elections. This
> is certainly the reason why NOMCOM is made of people from Southern Africa
> and Western Africa, who cannot run for Board positions.
>
> Of course, I understand the Independent Board seats are not filled via any
> regional affiliation, but if you want to push some issue of conflict of
> interests, you may send the evidences to the Board and I expect working
> with the Governance Committee, they can take a good look at it to ensure
> fairness, openness and transparency.
>
> Pushing it further here, will only ginger some mob action, which is not in
> the overall interest of the organization.
>
> Just my personal thoughts.
>
> Have a nice day.
>
> Sunday.
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 2:22 PM Marcus K. G. Adomey 
> wrote:
>
> Dear Badru,
>
> I have your email and thank you. BUT this constant attempts to undermine
> serious issues, by not giving them the required attention, is not helpful
> and not healthy.
>
> How do you propose healing wounds without admission of wrongdoing?
>
> How can we build trust when senior people like the current NomCom behave
> like that?
>
> When people are turning things personal, country and local community
>  based, instead of thinking regional as per Afrinic mandate.
> It has been almost 3 days that the questions were asked and the NomCom
> chair did not even bother addressing  the concerns raised.
>
> How would people trust the NomCom and the upcoming elections?
>
>
>
> Marcus
> --
> *From:* Badru Ntege 
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 4:31:54 AM
> *To:* Marcus K. G. Adomey ;
> community-discuss@afrinic.net 
> *Subject:* RE: NomCom Chairs Private Message
>
>
>
> We should take this as  an oversight.  And NomCom Chair will take note.
>
> Its time for us all to find that space that builds trust through the
> community.
>
> Lets heal the wounds through our actions and words.
>
> Have a wonderful day all.
>
> regards
>
> BN
>
> --
> *From:* Marcus K. G. Adomey [mado...@hotmail.com]
> *Sent:* 09 March 2020 18:50
> *To:* community-discuss@afrinic.

Re: [Community-Discuss] NomCom Chairs Private Message

[Andrew Alston]

Quite frankly without the alleged communication  and evidence - I consider this 
entire thread spurious and a waste of time - and it should probably head 
straight to dev/null where I will now place it - especially considering it’s 
source - Hi Benjamin.

Andrew

Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

From: Marcus K. G. Adomey 
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 10:48:18 PM
To: Sunday Folayan 
Cc: community-discuss@afrinic.net 
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] NomCom Chairs Private Message

Hi Sunday,

Actually, Badru did see something wrong in the action posed by the NomCom chair 
... Badru mentioned an oversight

My 1st mail on this issue clearly raised few questions which only the author of 
the action can respond to. I did not share the solicitation mail as the derived 
questions and comments seem enough to explain its content and the 
recriminations. The intent is not to make a tremendous issue ... but seek 
commitment of NomCom to remain neutral, fair and transparent.

As you want the evidences, I would expect the NomCom chair to play full 
transparency and share the message and respond to the questions to clear the 
air.

The incident might be closed thereafter

Hope this helps


Marcus


From: Sunday Folayan 
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 2:00 PM
To: Marcus K. G. Adomey 
Cc: Badru Ntege ; community-discuss@afrinic.net 

Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] NomCom Chairs Private Message

Hi Marcus,

I agree with Badru. I was not sure your Email was inviting any comment or 
response from the NOMCOM Chair, as the said solicitation email was not shared. 
In my little corner, I was remembering that the Southern Africa and Western 
Africa regions cannot contest in the current Board Elections. This is certainly 
the reason why NOMCOM is made of people from Southern Africa and Western 
Africa, who cannot run for Board positions.

Of course, I understand the Independent Board seats are not filled via any 
regional affiliation, but if you want to push some issue of conflict of 
interests, you may send the evidences to the Board and I expect working with 
the Governance Committee, they can take a good look at it to ensure fairness, 
openness and transparency.

Pushing it further here, will only ginger some mob action, which is not in the 
overall interest of the organization.

Just my personal thoughts.

Have a nice day.

Sunday.


On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 2:22 PM Marcus K. G. Adomey 
mailto:mado...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Dear Badru,

I have your email and thank you. BUT this constant attempts to undermine 
serious issues, by not giving them the required attention, is not helpful and 
not healthy.

How do you propose healing wounds without admission of wrongdoing?

How can we build trust when senior people like the current NomCom behave like 
that?

When people are turning things personal, country and local community  based, 
instead of thinking regional as per Afrinic mandate.
It has been almost 3 days that the questions were asked and the NomCom chair 
did not even bother addressing  the concerns raised.

How would people trust the NomCom and the upcoming elections?



Marcus

From: Badru Ntege 
mailto:badru.nt...@nftconsult.com>>
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 4:31:54 AM
To: Marcus K. G. Adomey mailto:mado...@hotmail.com>>; 
community-discuss@afrinic.net<mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net> 
mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>>
Subject: RE: NomCom Chairs Private Message



We should take this as  an oversight.  And NomCom Chair will take note.

Its time for us all to find that space that builds trust through the community.

Lets heal the wounds through our actions and words.

Have a wonderful day all.

regards

BN


From: Marcus K. G. Adomey [mado...@hotmail.com<mailto:mado...@hotmail.com>]
Sent: 09 March 2020 18:50
To: community-discuss@afrinic.net<mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>
Subject: [Community-Discuss] NomCom Chairs Private Message

Dear Community,

Our goodwill advocates have sighted an email message from the recently 
appointed and current NomCom chair to his favorite private mailing list in 
South Africa soliciting applications from the country in question.


As a community, we have a few questions to ensure fairness in terms of 
recruitment of people based on merit and most importantly diversity.

1. Would the NomCom please share announcements equally well across other 
African countries to the same extent as the NomCom chair is doing for 
specifically South Africa?


2. Is this a personal act or was this done in his capacity as the NomCom chair 
where utmost objective neutrality is expected.


3. The said message asks for more South African representation even though it 
indicates SA already has a seat.

Does this show some level of bias from the chairman of NomCom.

4. The said email indicates that the best way

Re: [Community-Discuss] NomCom Chairs Private Message

[Marcus K. G. Adomey]

Hi Sunday,

Actually, Badru did see something wrong in the action posed by the NomCom chair 
... Badru mentioned an oversight

My 1st mail on this issue clearly raised few questions which only the author of 
the action can respond to. I did not share the solicitation mail as the derived 
questions and comments seem enough to explain its content and the 
recriminations. The intent is not to make a tremendous issue ... but seek 
commitment of NomCom to remain neutral, fair and transparent.

As you want the evidences, I would expect the NomCom chair to play full 
transparency and share the message and respond to the questions to clear the 
air.

The incident might be closed thereafter

Hope this helps


Marcus


From: Sunday Folayan 
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 2:00 PM
To: Marcus K. G. Adomey 
Cc: Badru Ntege ; community-discuss@afrinic.net 

Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] NomCom Chairs Private Message

Hi Marcus,

I agree with Badru. I was not sure your Email was inviting any comment or 
response from the NOMCOM Chair, as the said solicitation email was not shared. 
In my little corner, I was remembering that the Southern Africa and Western 
Africa regions cannot contest in the current Board Elections. This is certainly 
the reason why NOMCOM is made of people from Southern Africa and Western 
Africa, who cannot run for Board positions.

Of course, I understand the Independent Board seats are not filled via any 
regional affiliation, but if you want to push some issue of conflict of 
interests, you may send the evidences to the Board and I expect working with 
the Governance Committee, they can take a good look at it to ensure fairness, 
openness and transparency.

Pushing it further here, will only ginger some mob action, which is not in the 
overall interest of the organization.

Just my personal thoughts.

Have a nice day.

Sunday.


On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 2:22 PM Marcus K. G. Adomey 
mailto:mado...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Dear Badru,

I have your email and thank you. BUT this constant attempts to undermine 
serious issues, by not giving them the required attention, is not helpful and 
not healthy.

How do you propose healing wounds without admission of wrongdoing?

How can we build trust when senior people like the current NomCom behave like 
that?

When people are turning things personal, country and local community  based, 
instead of thinking regional as per Afrinic mandate.
It has been almost 3 days that the questions were asked and the NomCom chair 
did not even bother addressing  the concerns raised.

How would people trust the NomCom and the upcoming elections?



Marcus

From: Badru Ntege 
mailto:badru.nt...@nftconsult.com>>
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 4:31:54 AM
To: Marcus K. G. Adomey mailto:mado...@hotmail.com>>; 
community-discuss@afrinic.net<mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net> 
mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>>
Subject: RE: NomCom Chairs Private Message



We should take this as  an oversight.  And NomCom Chair will take note.

Its time for us all to find that space that builds trust through the community.

Lets heal the wounds through our actions and words.

Have a wonderful day all.

regards

BN


From: Marcus K. G. Adomey [mado...@hotmail.com<mailto:mado...@hotmail.com>]
Sent: 09 March 2020 18:50
To: community-discuss@afrinic.net<mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>
Subject: [Community-Discuss] NomCom Chairs Private Message

Dear Community,

Our goodwill advocates have sighted an email message from the recently 
appointed and current NomCom chair to his favorite private mailing list in 
South Africa soliciting applications from the country in question.


As a community, we have a few questions to ensure fairness in terms of 
recruitment of people based on merit and most importantly diversity.

1. Would the NomCom please share announcements equally well across other 
African countries to the same extent as the NomCom chair is doing for 
specifically South Africa?


2. Is this a personal act or was this done in his capacity as the NomCom chair 
where utmost objective neutrality is expected.


3. The said message asks for more South African representation even though it 
indicates SA already has a seat.

Does this show some level of bias from the chairman of NomCom.

4. The said email indicates that the best way to influence the organization 
(meaning AfriNIC) is by getting involved and appeals for people on the said 
list to do so.

This shows intent of bias focused on a specific country with aim of control 
while  development is totally forgotten.


Marcus

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Re: [Community-Discuss] NomCom Chairs Private Message

[Owen DeLong]

In my opinion, the NomCom has not only the ability, but the obligation to 
recruit qualified candidates for open seats from any and all likely sources.

The fact that a member (or chair) of the NomCom happens to be from a particular 
region means that he/she is also likely to be most familiar with the resources 
for potential recruiting in that region.

Trying to make more of this than it is is disingenuous.

If a member (or chair) of the NomCom were trying to prevent the recruitment of 
qualified candidates from other sources, then there would be a case for COI. If 
you know of other sources for qualified candidates that the NomCom is failing 
to tap, then please advise the NomCom of same and feel free to reach out 
yourself and encourage qualified applicants from those sources to reach out to 
the NomCom for possible consideration.

Let’s approach the situation positively and try to create a slate with many 
qualified candidates for each seat instead of continuing to look for problems 
where they do not exist.

Owen


> On Mar 12, 2020, at 10:19 , Augustine CHII Ngek  wrote:
> 
> Hello 
> Is it ok for a nomcom chair to solucitate candidates from his country or 
> region whether they were to stand for elections or not?  It is just normal 
> for the nomcom to clear the air and we forge ahead without any frustrating 
> anyone.
> Augustine CHII
> 
> On Thu, 12 Mar 2020, 15:02 Sunday Folayan,  > wrote:
> Hi Marcus,
> 
> I agree with Badru. I was not sure your Email was inviting any comment or 
> response from the NOMCOM Chair, as the said solicitation email was not 
> shared. In my little corner, I was remembering that the Southern Africa and 
> Western Africa regions cannot contest in the current Board Elections. This is 
> certainly the reason why NOMCOM is made of people from Southern Africa and 
> Western Africa, who cannot run for Board positions. 
> 
> Of course, I understand the Independent Board seats are not filled via any 
> regional affiliation, but if you want to push some issue of conflict of 
> interests, you may send the evidences to the Board and I expect working with 
> the Governance Committee, they can take a good look at it to ensure fairness, 
> openness and transparency.
> 
> Pushing it further here, will only ginger some mob action, which is not in 
> the overall interest of the organization.
> 
> Just my personal thoughts.
> 
> Have a nice day.
> 
> Sunday. 
>  
> 
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 2:22 PM Marcus K. G. Adomey  > wrote:
> Dear Badru,
> 
> I have your email and thank you. BUT this constant attempts to undermine 
> serious issues, by not giving them the required attention, is not helpful and 
> not healthy. 
> 
> How do you propose healing wounds without admission of wrongdoing?
> 
> How can we build trust when senior people like the current NomCom behave like 
> that? 
> 
> When people are turning things personal, country and local community  based, 
> instead of thinking regional as per Afrinic mandate.
> It has been almost 3 days that the questions were asked and the NomCom chair 
> did not even bother addressing  the concerns raised. 
> 
> How would people trust the NomCom and the upcoming elections?
> 
> 
> 
> Marcus
> From: Badru Ntege  >
> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 4:31:54 AM
> To: Marcus K. G. Adomey mailto:mado...@hotmail.com>>; 
> community-discuss@afrinic.net  
> mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>>
> Subject: RE: NomCom Chairs Private Message
>  
> 
> 
> We should take this as  an oversight.  And NomCom Chair will take note.
> 
> Its time for us all to find that space that builds trust through the 
> community.  
> 
> Lets heal the wounds through our actions and words.
> 
> Have a wonderful day all.
> 
> regards
> 
> BN
> 
> From: Marcus K. G. Adomey [mado...@hotmail.com ]
> Sent: 09 March 2020 18:50
> To: community-discuss@afrinic.net 
> Subject: [Community-Discuss] NomCom Chairs Private Message
> 
> Dear Community,
> 
> Our goodwill advocates have sighted an email message from the recently 
> appointed and current NomCom chair to his favorite private mailing list in 
> South Africa soliciting applications from the country in question. 
> 
> 
> As a community, we have a few questions to ensure fairness in terms of 
> recruitment of people based on merit and most importantly diversity. 
> 
> 1. Would the NomCom please share announcements equally well across other 
> African countries to the same extent as the NomCom chair is doing for 
> specifically South Africa?
> 
> 
> 2. Is this a personal act or was this done in his capacity as the NomCom 
> chair where utmost objective neutrality is expected.
> 
> 
> 3. The said message asks for more South African representation even though it 
> indicates SA already has a seat.
> 
> Does this show some level of bias from the 

Re: [Community-Discuss] NomCom Chairs Private Message

[Augustine CHII Ngek]

Hello
Is it ok for a nomcom chair to solucitate candidates from his country or
region whether they were to stand for elections or not?  It is just normal
for the nomcom to clear the air and we forge ahead without any frustrating
anyone.
Augustine CHII

On Thu, 12 Mar 2020, 15:02 Sunday Folayan,  wrote:

> Hi Marcus,
>
> I agree with Badru. I was not sure your Email was inviting any comment or
> response from the NOMCOM Chair, as the said solicitation email was not
> shared. In my little corner, I was remembering that the Southern Africa and
> Western Africa regions cannot contest in the current Board Elections. This
> is certainly the reason why NOMCOM is made of people from Southern Africa
> and Western Africa, who cannot run for Board positions.
>
> Of course, I understand the Independent Board seats are not filled via any
> regional affiliation, but if you want to push some issue of conflict of
> interests, you may send the evidences to the Board and I expect working
> with the Governance Committee, they can take a good look at it to ensure
> fairness, openness and transparency.
>
> Pushing it further here, will only ginger some mob action, which is not in
> the overall interest of the organization.
>
> Just my personal thoughts.
>
> Have a nice day.
>
> Sunday.
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 2:22 PM Marcus K. G. Adomey 
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Badru,
>>
>> I have your email and thank you. BUT this constant attempts to undermine
>> serious issues, by not giving them the required attention, is not helpful
>> and not healthy.
>>
>> How do you propose healing wounds without admission of wrongdoing?
>>
>> How can we build trust when senior people like the current NomCom behave
>> like that?
>>
>> When people are turning things personal, country and local community
>>  based, instead of thinking regional as per Afrinic mandate.
>> It has been almost 3 days that the questions were asked and the NomCom
>> chair did not even bother addressing  the concerns raised.
>>
>> How would people trust the NomCom and the upcoming elections?
>>
>>
>>
>> Marcus
>> --
>> *From:* Badru Ntege 
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 4:31:54 AM
>> *To:* Marcus K. G. Adomey ;
>> community-discuss@afrinic.net 
>> *Subject:* RE: NomCom Chairs Private Message
>>
>>
>>
>> We should take this as  an oversight.  And NomCom Chair will take note.
>>
>> Its time for us all to find that space that builds trust through the
>> community.
>>
>> Lets heal the wounds through our actions and words.
>>
>> Have a wonderful day all.
>>
>> regards
>>
>> BN
>>
>> --
>> *From:* Marcus K. G. Adomey [mado...@hotmail.com]
>> *Sent:* 09 March 2020 18:50
>> *To:* community-discuss@afrinic.net
>> *Subject:* [Community-Discuss] NomCom Chairs Private Message
>>
>> Dear Community,
>>
>> Our goodwill advocates have sighted an email message from the recently
>> appointed and current NomCom chair to his favorite private mailing list in
>> South Africa soliciting applications from the country in question.
>>
>>
>> As a community, we have a few questions to ensure fairness in terms of
>> recruitment of people based on merit and most importantly diversity.
>>
>> 1. Would the NomCom please share announcements equally well across other
>> African countries to the same extent as the NomCom chair is doing for
>> specifically South Africa?
>>
>>
>> 2. Is this a personal act or was this done in his capacity as the NomCom
>> chair where utmost objective neutrality is expected.
>>
>>
>> 3. The said message asks for more South African representation even
>> though it indicates SA already has a seat.
>>
>> Does this show some level of bias from the chairman of NomCom.
>>
>> 4. The said email indicates that the best way to influence the
>> organization (meaning AfriNIC) is by getting involved and appeals for
>> people on the said list to do so.
>>
>> This shows intent of bias focused on a specific country with aim of
>> control while  development is totally forgotten.
>>
>>
>> Marcus
>>
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Re: [Community-Discuss] NomCom Chairs Private Message

[Sunday Folayan]

Hi Marcus,

I agree with Badru. I was not sure your Email was inviting any comment or
response from the NOMCOM Chair, as the said solicitation email was not
shared. In my little corner, I was remembering that the Southern Africa and
Western Africa regions cannot contest in the current Board Elections. This
is certainly the reason why NOMCOM is made of people from Southern Africa
and Western Africa, who cannot run for Board positions.

Of course, I understand the Independent Board seats are not filled via any
regional affiliation, but if you want to push some issue of conflict of
interests, you may send the evidences to the Board and I expect working
with the Governance Committee, they can take a good look at it to ensure
fairness, openness and transparency.

Pushing it further here, will only ginger some mob action, which is not in
the overall interest of the organization.

Just my personal thoughts.

Have a nice day.

Sunday.


On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 2:22 PM Marcus K. G. Adomey 
wrote:

> Dear Badru,
>
> I have your email and thank you. BUT this constant attempts to undermine
> serious issues, by not giving them the required attention, is not helpful
> and not healthy.
>
> How do you propose healing wounds without admission of wrongdoing?
>
> How can we build trust when senior people like the current NomCom behave
> like that?
>
> When people are turning things personal, country and local community
>  based, instead of thinking regional as per Afrinic mandate.
> It has been almost 3 days that the questions were asked and the NomCom
> chair did not even bother addressing  the concerns raised.
>
> How would people trust the NomCom and the upcoming elections?
>
>
>
> Marcus
> --
> *From:* Badru Ntege 
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2020 4:31:54 AM
> *To:* Marcus K. G. Adomey ;
> community-discuss@afrinic.net 
> *Subject:* RE: NomCom Chairs Private Message
>
>
>
> We should take this as  an oversight.  And NomCom Chair will take note.
>
> Its time for us all to find that space that builds trust through the
> community.
>
> Lets heal the wounds through our actions and words.
>
> Have a wonderful day all.
>
> regards
>
> BN
>
> --
> *From:* Marcus K. G. Adomey [mado...@hotmail.com]
> *Sent:* 09 March 2020 18:50
> *To:* community-discuss@afrinic.net
> *Subject:* [Community-Discuss] NomCom Chairs Private Message
>
> Dear Community,
>
> Our goodwill advocates have sighted an email message from the recently
> appointed and current NomCom chair to his favorite private mailing list in
> South Africa soliciting applications from the country in question.
>
>
> As a community, we have a few questions to ensure fairness in terms of
> recruitment of people based on merit and most importantly diversity.
>
> 1. Would the NomCom please share announcements equally well across other
> African countries to the same extent as the NomCom chair is doing for
> specifically South Africa?
>
>
> 2. Is this a personal act or was this done in his capacity as the NomCom
> chair where utmost objective neutrality is expected.
>
>
> 3. The said message asks for more South African representation even though
> it indicates SA already has a seat.
>
> Does this show some level of bias from the chairman of NomCom.
>
> 4. The said email indicates that the best way to influence the
> organization (meaning AfriNIC) is by getting involved and appeals for
> people on the said list to do so.
>
> This shows intent of bias focused on a specific country with aim of
> control while  development is totally forgotten.
>
>
> Marcus
>
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Re: [Community-Discuss] NomCom Chairs Private Message

[Marcus K. G. Adomey]

Dear Badru,

I have your email and thank you. BUT this constant attempts to undermine 
serious issues, by not giving them the required attention, is not helpful and 
not healthy.

How do you propose healing wounds without admission of wrongdoing?

How can we build trust when senior people like the current NomCom behave like 
that?

When people are turning things personal, country and local community  based, 
instead of thinking regional as per Afrinic mandate.
It has been almost 3 days that the questions were asked and the NomCom chair 
did not even bother addressing  the concerns raised.

How would people trust the NomCom and the upcoming elections?



Marcus

From: Badru Ntege 
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 4:31:54 AM
To: Marcus K. G. Adomey ; community-discuss@afrinic.net 

Subject: RE: NomCom Chairs Private Message



We should take this as  an oversight.  And NomCom Chair will take note.

Its time for us all to find that space that builds trust through the community.

Lets heal the wounds through our actions and words.

Have a wonderful day all.

regards

BN


From: Marcus K. G. Adomey [mado...@hotmail.com]
Sent: 09 March 2020 18:50
To: community-discuss@afrinic.net
Subject: [Community-Discuss] NomCom Chairs Private Message

Dear Community,

Our goodwill advocates have sighted an email message from the recently 
appointed and current NomCom chair to his favorite private mailing list in 
South Africa soliciting applications from the country in question.


As a community, we have a few questions to ensure fairness in terms of 
recruitment of people based on merit and most importantly diversity.

1. Would the NomCom please share announcements equally well across other 
African countries to the same extent as the NomCom chair is doing for 
specifically South Africa?


2. Is this a personal act or was this done in his capacity as the NomCom chair 
where utmost objective neutrality is expected.


3. The said message asks for more South African representation even though it 
indicates SA already has a seat.

Does this show some level of bias from the chairman of NomCom.

4. The said email indicates that the best way to influence the organization 
(meaning AfriNIC) is by getting involved and appeals for people on the said 
list to do so.

This shows intent of bias focused on a specific country with aim of control 
while  development is totally forgotten.


Marcus

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Re: [Community-Discuss] NomCom Chairs Private Message

[Badru Ntege]

We should take this as  an oversight.  And NomCom Chair will take note.

Its time for us all to find that space that builds trust through the community.

Lets heal the wounds through our actions and words.

Have a wonderful day all.

regards

BN


From: Marcus K. G. Adomey [mado...@hotmail.com]
Sent: 09 March 2020 18:50
To: community-discuss@afrinic.net
Subject: [Community-Discuss] NomCom Chairs Private Message

Dear Community,

Our goodwill advocates have sighted an email message from the recently 
appointed and current NomCom chair to his favorite private mailing list in 
South Africa soliciting applications from the country in question.


As a community, we have a few questions to ensure fairness in terms of 
recruitment of people based on merit and most importantly diversity.

1. Would the NomCom please share announcements equally well across other 
African countries to the same extent as the NomCom chair is doing for 
specifically South Africa?


2. Is this a personal act or was this done in his capacity as the NomCom chair 
where utmost objective neutrality is expected.


3. The said message asks for more South African representation even though it 
indicates SA already has a seat.

Does this show some level of bias from the chairman of NomCom.

4. The said email indicates that the best way to influence the organization 
(meaning AfriNIC) is by getting involved and appeals for people on the said 
list to do so.

This shows intent of bias focused on a specific country with aim of control 
while  development is totally forgotten.


Marcus

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