Re: FOSDEM OpenMoko talk now on video.google.com

2007-02-27 Thread Gabriel Ambuehl
On Tuesday 27 February 2007 08:32:38 Rod Whitby wrote: With consumer electronics, you either buy now with the feature set you know at the price you know (and not complain when a better feature set is announced at a lower price the next day), or you wait forever as announcement after

Re: FOSDEM OpenMoko talk now on video.google.com

2007-02-27 Thread denis
Rod Whitby schrieb: denis wrote: Paul Bonser schrieb: Sean already said that they will be giving some sort of discount on the v2 phone for those who buy the v1 phone... I know that. But what is the discount? Is it 20% or 50%? I won't buy a phone from which I know there will be

Re: FOSDEM OpenMoko talk now on video.google.com

2007-02-27 Thread Carlo E. Prelz
Subject: Re: FOSDEM OpenMoko talk now on video.google.com Date: Tue 27 Feb 07 09:07:37AM +0100 Quoting denis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Have you ever seen Nokia (or any other company) announcing the SAME device (just with 2-5 more features) in 6 months. I have never seen this. I

Re: FOSDEM OpenMoko talk now on video.google.com

2007-02-27 Thread Richard Bennett
On Tuesday 27 February 2007 09:07, denis wrote: Have you ever seen Nokia (or any other company) announcing the SAME device (just with 2-5 more features) in 6 months. I have never seen this. Yeah. I think it is really great that they are so open about these things. At least this way everybody

Re: Back from FOSDEM

2007-02-27 Thread Marcin Juszkiewicz
Dnia poniedziałek, 26 lutego 2007, Robert Michel napisał: Here is a polnish forum about the allegro offeres: http://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic656979.html (I can't understand it but Li-Pol 1600mAh = 9,2mm?) *Polish* not 'polnish' ;) Summary from that forum thread on elektroda.pl: No one

Re: Back from FOSDEM

2007-02-27 Thread Krzysztof Kajkowski
2007/2/26, Robert Michel [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Here is a polnish forum about the allegro offeres: http://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic656979.html (I can't understand it but Li-Pol 1600mAh = 9,2mm?) Actuali is it 'polish' forum ;) They write there that such 3600mAh batterries are unrealistic

Re: Locked phones (was Re: A timely rant: Time for SIM-free phones.)

2007-02-27 Thread Andreas Kostyrka
when we are at it, limiting calls to only certain numbers is a standard GSM feature, it's just seldom used, as most people just forget their PIN2 ;) Andreas * Dean Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070227 10:41]: Took 4 minutes of googling to find both Cingular and Verizon have kids phones and

Re: FOSDEM OpenMoko talk now on video.google.com

2007-02-27 Thread denis
Richard Bennett schrieb: On Tuesday 27 February 2007 09:07, denis wrote: Have you ever seen Nokia (or any other company) announcing the SAME device (just with 2-5 more features) in 6 months. I have never seen this. Yeah. I think it is really great that they are so open about these

Features and promises

2007-02-27 Thread Mikko J Rauhala
On ti, 2007-02-27 at 10:52 +0100, denis wrote: Why can't they just tell us what the features will be? Is it so difficult to be open? In my opinion it would bring much more credibility for FIC. Allow me to hazard a guess: Most of this stuff is preliminary plans, and the guys don't like to

Re: Features and promises

2007-02-27 Thread denis
Mikko J Rauhala schrieb: On ti, 2007-02-27 at 10:52 +0100, denis wrote: Why can't they just tell us what the features will be? Is it so difficult to be open? In my opinion it would bring much more credibility for FIC. Allow me to hazard a guess: Most of this stuff is preliminary

Re: Google custom search engine

2007-02-27 Thread Krzysztof Kajkowski
2007/2/26, Alessandro Iurlano [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello everybody. I have created a google custom search engine with all the openmoko websites and the technical documents mentioned in the wiki. Hi! It very useful, thank you! But I think something like that should be placed at openmoko.org

Thunderbird - Reply to Mail List

2007-02-27 Thread Jonathon Suggs
I feel really stupid asking this, but I am having troubles using Thunderbird. I receive the list in digest mode. For each digest, it will show up as a single messages in my inbox. Also for each digest it will have each individual message as an attachment. But I cannot find a way to respond

Re: FOSDEM OpenMoko talk now on video.google.com

2007-02-27 Thread Duncan Hudson
denis wrote: Have you ever seen Nokia (or any other company) announcing the SAME device (just with 2-5 more features) in 6 months. I have never seen this. I haven't seen Nokia do it. But Handspring / Palm / PalmOne / Access (whatever their Name de Jour is) has been doing this for sometime with

[Fwd: Re: GSoC 2007 is ON!!]

2007-02-27 Thread Koen Kooi
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Itch3: Anti-lost/theft protection

2007-02-27 Thread Aloril
When phone is lost and somebody picks it up, it would first ask PIN and have message in screen that says something like If you don't know PIN, give 1234. If user types 1234 then it presents 2 buttons: Contact owner of phone and Use phone (==I'm stealing this). If user selects Use phone, then it

Re: Itch3: Anti-lost/theft protection

2007-02-27 Thread Krzysztof Kajkowski
2007/2/27, Aloril [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Idea is keep thief using phone until police arrives and recovers it. Yeah, and maybe call nearest SWAT team to clear the area :-P I doubt if police would bother in chasing thief for one phone (at least where I live). They should at least have some warrant

6.5K color Display?

2007-02-27 Thread Rockmen Jack
Hi, all From list http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-January/001353.html it says the default visual is 16-bit depth. Does it indicate a 6.5k color display? But from the wiki http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Hardware it seems the LCD is capable to display 26.2k color. That

Re: 6.5K color Display?

2007-02-27 Thread Mikko Rauhala
ti, 2007-02-27 kello 23:47 +0800, Rockmen Jack kirjoitti: it says the default visual is 16-bit depth. Does it indicate a 6.5k color display? 65k, rather. But from the wiki http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Hardware it seems the LCD is capable to display 26.2k color. 262k, but the LCD

Re: FOSDEM OpenMoko talk now on video.google.com

2007-02-27 Thread Igor Foox
On 2/26/07, Rod Whitby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ole Tange wrote: I had hoped there was video coverage of the event. When I found out there was not I asked one of the better seated persons to record the event using my pocket camera. I have yet to see if the recording is acceptable.

Re: 6.5K color Display?

2007-02-27 Thread Ole Tange
On 2/27/07, Rockmen Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From list http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-January/001353.html it says the default visual is 16-bit depth. Does it indicate a 6.5k color display? I would say it would indicate an X server running at 16 bit, but saying

Re: FOSDEM OpenMoko talk now on video.google.com

2007-02-27 Thread Pedro Aguilar
If I remember well, the price for the regular device was US$350 and for the hacker's lunchbox $US200. I don't remember exactly the price of the car kit, I think it was around US$50 In the Open Embedded booth they had a Neo1973 that I could play with for around 5 mins!!! Here's my first

Re: FOSDEM OpenMoko talk now on video.google.com

2007-02-27 Thread Oleg Gusev
Am Dienstag, 27. Februar 2007 17:43 schrieb Pedro Aguilar: I don't remember exactly the price of the car kit, I think it was around US$50 I think it was US$70, and includes the GSM antenna. Oleg. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list

Re: 6.5K color Display?

2007-02-27 Thread pHilipp Zabel
On 2/27/07, Rockmen Jack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, all From list http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-January/001353.html it says the default visual is 16-bit depth. Does it indicate a 6.5k color display? 65k. But from the wiki

OpenMoko workshop at ETel

2007-02-27 Thread adrian cockcroft
Rough notes, taken as Sean talked. 8:30am, about 30 people in the audience, in a large room, plenty of space. Same basic presentation as FOSDEM, as far as I can tell, now I can actually read the slides... Showing actual screenshots of apps for the first time.. pim application UI shows

Playing the good cop--article quoting etiquette

2007-02-27 Thread Doug Parker
Just a reminder to limit the length of the quoted material when replying, and to keep it focused. It's often best to keep your thread quoting short and to-the-point, rather than blindly including *everything* and quoting the entire previous thread. Who, me? ...not me? ...well, maybe it is. ;-)

Re: OpenMoko workshop at ETel

2007-02-27 Thread Ian Stirling
adrian cockcroft wrote: Rough notes, taken as Sean talked. snip Multitouch - capacitive allows multi-touch, resistive doesn't. Lots of prior art, so this isn't going to be a patentable thing This isn't completely accurate. Resistive touchscreens have two resistive components. One is a

Little bit OT but very interesting news about Icahn Motricity just off the wire

2007-02-27 Thread Dean Collins
Billionaire Icahn Invests $50 Million in Motricity By Eric M. Zeman February 27, 2007 Carl Icahn, a mobile industry investor with 33.5 million shares of Motorola, has added mobile content services and software supplier Motricity to his portfolio of companies. The funding buys him an undisclosed

Re: Google custom search engine

2007-02-27 Thread Alessandro Iurlano
On 2/27/07, Krzysztof Kajkowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2007/2/26, Alessandro Iurlano [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello everybody. I have created a google custom search engine with all the openmoko websites and the technical documents mentioned in the wiki. Hi! It very useful, thank you!

t-mobile bans user's own apps

2007-02-27 Thread Wolfgang S. Rupprecht
It appears that T-Mobile has just started banning third-party applications from running on phones they provide cellular service to. Grumble. Before this they seemed to have the best GSM deal in this part of the world (San Francisco Bay Area, USA).

Re: t-mobile bans user's own apps

2007-02-27 Thread justin hugh daly
fta: but their hypocrisy is painfully clear when you remember that these apps work fine on T-Mobile's network, using T-Mobile SIM cards, if you buy your phone directly from a manufacturer like NokiaUSA.com [or fic ;)]. caveat emptor -- don't buy your phone

If you didn't catch this on /. (More on T-Mobile (USA) hobbling)

2007-02-27 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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RE: t-mobile bans user's own apps

2007-02-27 Thread Dean Collins
Yep saw that in Slashdot, bit of confusion are they cracking down on existing data levels for cheaper data offerings (something called TZones or similar) or if totally banning. Point is, vote with your feet and go to cingular or someone else. Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Pty Ltd [EMAIL

Re: OpenMoko workshop at ETel

2007-02-27 Thread mathew davis
Thnks for the info it answered a lot of questions I had. I get more and more excited about this project as it goes on. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Fwd: OpenMoko workshop at ETel

2007-02-27 Thread Alan Ide
-- Forwarded message -- From: Alan Ide [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Feb 27, 2007 3:39 PM Subject: Re: OpenMoko workshop at ETel To: mathew davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] So, I am a little confussed still. Are you saying the Refreshed version of the Neo that will be released in June will have

Re: t-mobile bans user's own apps

2007-02-27 Thread Aaron Coats
I have T-mobile and an SDA. They are not banning applications from their network, they just aren't letting the cheapest account use them. I pay for the 29/month data plan and my 3rd party apps work just fine. (Google maps and my funambol mail sync application) This is over hyped

Fwd: OpenMoko workshop at ETel

2007-02-27 Thread Alan Ide
So, I am a little confussed still. Are you saying the Refreshed version of the Neo that will be released in June will have A faster CPU, dedicated Graphics Acceleration, AND Wifi?? If so, thats a hell of an upgrade after 3 months. -- Forwarded message -- From: Alan Ide [EMAIL

Re: t-mobile bans user's own apps

2007-02-27 Thread Wolfgang S. Rupprecht
Dean Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yep saw that in Slashdot, bit of confusion are they cracking down on existing data levels for cheaper data offerings (something called TZones or similar) or if totally banning. Point is, vote with your feet and go to cingular or someone else. I tried

Re: OpenMoko workshop at ETel

2007-02-27 Thread adrian cockcroft
Sean said it will have a faster CPU in June, he implied that WiFi is planned and graphics acceleration is on the roadmap somewhere, but not June. Adrian On 2/27/07, Alan Ide [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, I am a little confussed still. Are you saying the Refreshed version of the Neo that will be

Re: Platforms for Engineering school labs (Was: Re: RFC: Public targets having a big potential: Engineering schools)

2007-02-27 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On Sun, 2007-02-25 at 14:14 +0530, Aanjhan R wrote: On 2/25/07, Tim Newsom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do we get to the pictures to see them? Are they posted anywhere? Is it possible to get the presentation as well. Is it posted in the FOSDEM site? I tried hard finding them. I could nt

Re: Shipment of phones

2007-02-27 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 08:23 +0100, Marc Verwerft wrote: I understood that the european distrubution was from phase 2 onwards (I.E. september 2007). If I want to buy the neo1973 as a developer in phase1, then I have to order it in Taiwan and pay the customs duties etc. In order not to be

Re: given the OpenMoko Challenges...

2007-02-27 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 10:24 +0100, Sven Neuhaus wrote: I totally agree with you . FIC is also an operator in Taiwan . I certainlyunderstand the thinking / restriction of Telecom operators. Regards Ming J. Chien / FIC Wow; I didn't know FIC was also an

Re: Wiki Editing Guidelines

2007-02-27 Thread Ole Tange
On 2/21/07, Lars Hallberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Harald Welte skrev: This is really important not to confuse users. Imagine somebody googling for GSM Phone and Wifi and he ends up in our wiki on a page that describes what wonderful things you can do with wifi on an [not explicitly marked

Re: FOSDEM OpenMoko talk now on video.google.com

2007-02-27 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On Tue, 2007-02-27 at 10:52 +0100, denis wrote: Why can't they just tell us what the features will be? Is it so difficult to be open? In my opinion it would bring much more credibility for FIC. But if we can't deliver for some reason it would have the inverse effect. Please understand I'm

Re: t-mobile bans user's own apps

2007-02-27 Thread Steven **
Why would you sign a contract? My understanding was that the only benefit to a contract was a subsidized phone. If you're using the Neo1973, you're not going to need that crippled, subsidized phone. Then, since you're not bound by a ridiculous contract, you could switch to another provider if

Re: Fwd: OpenMoko workshop at ETel

2007-02-27 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On Tue, 2007-02-27 at 17:02 -0500, Alan Ide wrote: So, I am a little confussed still. Are you saying the Refreshed version of the Neo that will be released in June will have A faster CPU, dedicated Graphics Acceleration, AND Wifi?? If so, thats a hell of an upgrade after 3 months. The thing

cingular data

2007-02-27 Thread Matthew Naftzger
Data Connect Access your e-mail, corporate intranet, and the Internet while on the go by wirelessly connecting your PDA to the Internet. Requires usage with a Cingular Wireless PDA. Service is not available at all times in all places. View Map and Coverage

Re: Shipment of phones

2007-02-27 Thread Jan Van Vlaenderen
Great !!! When you have more info about where and how we can order, please let us know. The Neo is the first item on my wishlist ( and I think I'm not the only one ;-) ) Jan On 2/28/07, Sean Moss-Pultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 08:23 +0100, Marc Verwerft wrote: I

New site about open mobiles: ideas and suggestions

2007-02-27 Thread Danijel Orsolic
Greetings everyone A few weeks ago I have announced an idea about a web site that would focus on open mobile communications and related devices, like OpenMoko's Neo1973, offering a friendly entrance point for the general population and curious geeks which are not developers in this area to the

Re: Itch3: Anti-lost/theft protection

2007-02-27 Thread Jan Van Vlaenderen
Euhhh, I do not want the thief to make international calls on my bill May be the phone should simulate that it's switched off ( to save power ) and send from time to time the coordinates. Jan. On 2/27/07, Aloril [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When phone is lost and somebody picks it up, it

Openmoko on Linux Forum Copenhagen

2007-02-27 Thread Martin Heick Hansen
Hi everybody First let me introduce myself since this is my first post. I've been following OpenMoko and the mailing list for the last month or so. Then I started to wonder why nobody in Denmark new anything about this revolution which is starting to evolve. I felt that this we have to do

ETel update: video and social gathering

2007-02-27 Thread michael
1. Sean suggested we meet for dinner on Thursday, then carry on to the bar later. You are welcome whenever, but please let us know on the wiki so we can reserve the appropriate size table http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ETel#Social_Gathering 2. I took a video of Sean's presentation this