Re: Neo1973 Update!

2007-06-04 Thread Marcin Juszkiewicz
Dnia niedziela, 3 czerwca 2007, Oleg Gusev napisał: Am Sonntag, 3. Juni 2007 17:00 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Phase 2 (GTA-02) will feature: -a 2D/3D-Graphics Accelerator This one needs more clarification. I doubt that it will be some ATI chipset. Looking at recently released code from

Re: Phone Call Security

2007-06-04 Thread Pander
Matthew S. Hamrick wrote: ... Could it be possible to have you GSM request a non-encrypted channel? Would this channel provide more bandwidth or less delay because of that? If so, the extra bandwidth or reduced delay could be used for efficiently using your own encryption. Can anyone

Re: Neo1973 Update!

2007-06-04 Thread Oleg Gusev
Am Montag, 4. Juni 2007 09:09 schrieb Marcin Juszkiewicz: Looking at recently released code from coreteam it will be SMedia chip. Yes, having such chip http://www.smediatech.com/product3370.htm would be really nice. And as user of ATI gfx cards I am happy that they do not use ATI chipsets as

Re: [Fwd: Re: Neo1973 Update!]

2007-06-04 Thread Attila Csipa
On Sunday 03 June 2007 19:47, kenneth marken wrote: 3dacceleration? That means 3D desktop can be done now? Or what should we think of that? My guess is that the primary application of that chip will be audio/video reproduction, and perhaps some blitting improvements, the 3D part is just

Re: [Fwd: Re: Neo1973 Update!]

2007-06-04 Thread Florent THIERY
My guess is that the primary application of that chip will be audio/video reproduction, and perhaps some blitting improvements, the 3D part is just bonus/eyecandy material. I do not agree with you: the neo currently struggles with 2D drawing; a real (understand: usable) zooming user interface

Re: Neo1973 Update!

2007-06-04 Thread Raphaël Jacquot
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And the finally thing everybody has been asking for: 2 Accelerometers. F**k yeah. Looking forward to it. (Has anyone heard any updates concerning possible multi-touch-abilities of the neo yet?) the GPS daemon would need to be updated to allow for kallman filtering

Re: [Fwd: Re: Neo1973 Update!]

2007-06-04 Thread Attila Csipa
On Monday 04 June 2007 11:03, Florent THIERY wrote: My guess is that the primary application of that chip will be audio/video reproduction, and perhaps some blitting improvements, the 3D part is just bonus/eyecandy material. I do not agree with you: the neo currently struggles with 2D

Re: [SVHMPC] concept phone with only a touchscreen for UI

2007-06-04 Thread Chris Palmer
Interesting ideas, but I'm not sure that any adequately handle the tactile needs of a touch typist. Without looking at the keys, I can feel the nubs on the home keys on my phone's mini qwerty to get lined up again. I also have the same concern with using a laser projected keyboard (even tho

Re: [Fwd: Re: Neo1973 Update!]

2007-06-04 Thread Attila Csipa
On Monday 04 June 2007 12:48, Frank Coenen wrote: H264 will probably not work. If you look at the website: http://www.smediatech.com/product3370.htm The chip used by the GTA_02 will probably be the 3362-version. That supports VGA displays, but does not support H264. At least it lists MPEG4,

Re: Neo1973 Update!

2007-06-04 Thread Florent THIERY
From official SMedia press release for Glamo3662 [1]: * MPEG4 full hardware codec function * 5M pixel high resolution picture Glamo3362 supports up to 5M pixel resolution picture function, including auto focus, auto white balance and auto exposure that are reaching the image quality of a

Re: Neo1973 Update!

2007-06-04 Thread Al Johnson
On Monday 04 June 2007 10:31, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the GPS daemon would need to be updated to allow for kallman filtering using those accelerometers, so that the GPS apps could continue pointing the phones location inside tunnels and stuff Unfortunately not. As already pointed out on

Re: Neo1973 Update!

2007-06-04 Thread Rory McCann
Florent THIERY wrote: Just a thought: on macbooks, apple uses the hard drive's acceleration sensors (normally, safety function) as input device. Wanna tilt your neo? :) Someone wrote a programme that'll emit star wars light saber noises when you swing your laptop around. It'd be cool to have

support for bt headsets

2007-06-04 Thread wim delvaux
Hi, I own a stereo BT headset with built in microphone. This headset supports picking up a call when paired with a cellphone (donno the profile which does that). Do there exists BT extensions/daemons that support the same under linux ? I.e. can I pickup the phone using the BT headset while

Voice/Command recongnition

2007-06-04 Thread wim delvaux
Hi, Do any of you know packages that would allow vocal command recognition much like voice dialling on some cell phones ? This would be handy to start applications without having to navigate through menus. W ___ OpenMoko community mailing list

Apple iPhone ads

2007-06-04 Thread Rory McCann
Apple have released a few ads for their OpenMoko competitor, the locked down iPhone. Direct links: http://movies.apple.com/movies/us/apple/iphone/how_to/apple-iphone-how_to_640x496.mov http://movies.apple.com/movies/us/apple/iphone/never_been/apple-iphone-never_been_640x496.mov

Re: Apple iPhone ads

2007-06-04 Thread Chris Fazekas
Here's my commercial... It took less than a month to load OSX on a whitebox ...less than a week to load OSX on an appleTV Imaging what you can do with OpenMoko on your iPhone? We'll see what the future holds. :) Chris On 6/4/07, Rory McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apple have released

Re: Voice/Command recongnition

2007-06-04 Thread Thomas Gstädtner
Google and the keywords linux voice recognition are your friends. (e.g. XVoice, ViaVoice, CMU Sphinx, cvoicecontrol, ...) 2007/6/4, wim delvaux [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, Do any of you know packages that would allow vocal command recognition much like voice dialling on some cell phones ? This

Re: Neo1973 Update!

2007-06-04 Thread Thomas Gstädtner
Wow, that all sounds really awsome! But there's one thing I don't understand: I expected the Phase 2 Hardware to be the same as in Phase 1+. So does this new informations mean P1+ will get this fantastic hardware upgrade, too or is it just for P2 which will be different to P1+ then? The Neo seems

Re: FIC Fanboys

2007-06-04 Thread Ryan Prior
Any chance we can buy colorful FIC / OpenMoko shirts to display our affection? Cheers, Ryan ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Phone Call Security

2007-06-04 Thread Matthew S. Hamrick
No.. as far as I know, the encryption is an integral part of the protocol. Though Martin Tomasek tells me he's seen carriers that don't operate with encryption turned on. But in any event, I'm pretty sure that if the network does GSM encryption, your phone can't request a non-encrypted

Re: Neo1973 Update!

2007-06-04 Thread el jefe delito
How does Phase1 and Phase2 differ for the user (non-dev) who will be buying in September (or whenever the release date is)? Will the first public release of these phones be Phase2 or Phase2+? Should we be hyping the wifi on the Neo1973 when discussing the phone with others, or should we be

OpenMoko - We Need HYPE, and we need it yesterday!

2007-06-04 Thread el jefe delito
Regardless of where the hardware and software are right now, I would imagine that they both will be further along come release date. But, outside of this community and the few people that remember us telling them about the FIC Neo1973 and the OpenMoko platform, who knows about this phone or

Re: [Fwd: Re: Neo1973 Update!]

2007-06-04 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
Florent THIERY wrote: My guess is that the primary application of that chip will be audio/video reproduction, and perhaps some blitting improvements, the 3D part is just bonus/eyecandy material. I do not agree with you: the neo currently struggles with 2D drawing; a real (understand: usable)

Re: OpenMoko - We Need HYPE, and we need it yesterday!

2007-06-04 Thread el jefe delito
Just mentioning the Neo1973's merits and existence will open many eyes. People read Apple news (and the buzz which passes for news), and then read comments; not a lot of non-tech people read news about an unknown product (or less-visible company, FIC). I agree that we can be better heard in the

Re: OpenMoko - We Need HYPE, and we need it yesterday!

2007-06-04 Thread Varga-Háli Dániel
Hey! I am a Hungarian exchange student right now and I think I could help you by sending in a couple articles about OpenMoko to some Hungarian tech papers. Hungary (in general) is very opened to Linux (go to Google Trends and search for Linux) and it has got a strong Un*x like OS lover

Re: Neo1973 Update!

2007-06-04 Thread Shawn Rutledge
Hmm. Are there any existing devices or eval boards that have this chip? On 6/4/07, Florent THIERY [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From official SMedia press release for Glamo3662 [1]: ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: OpenMoko - We Need HYPE, and we need it yesterday!

2007-06-04 Thread Chris Fazekas
I do work for the fellow who own's http://www.scottevest.com, and I know he has a personal contact with the guy named... Leo Laporte from http://www.twit.tv/ Maybe if I can get my hands on a demo of the Neo1973, I can get it on TV? Thoughts? Contact me directly if needed. Cheers, Chris On

Fwd: FIC Fanboys

2007-06-04 Thread Chris Fazekas
Sorry, forgot to replyall. -- Forwarded message -- From: Chris Fazekas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Jun 4, 2007 11:19 AM Subject: Re: FIC Fanboys To: Ryan Prior [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maybe someone can talk to jinx.com or a similar company about running a print off? Tell them you don't

Re: Fwd: FIC Fanboys

2007-06-04 Thread Pander
I was thinking about the same thing. So where is that scalable vector graphics logo. ;) how about http://www.shirtcity.com/shop/ Chris Fazekas wrote: Sorry, forgot to replyall. -- Forwarded message -- From: Chris Fazekas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Jun 4, 2007 11:19 AM

Re: Fwd: FIC Fanboys

2007-06-04 Thread Jeff Andros
http://www.spreadshirt.net/shop.php?sid=211795 This has been up for a while... It's officialishly licensed from the coreteam guys you can check out the thread for it here: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-February/003160.html On 6/4/07, Pander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I

Re: Fwd: FIC Fanboys

2007-06-04 Thread Jeff Andros
On 6/4/07, Jeff Andros [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.spreadshirt.net/shop.php?sid=211795 This has been up for a while... It's officialishly licensed from the coreteam guys you can check out the thread for it here: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-February/003160.html

Re: OpenMoko - We Need HYPE, and we need it yesterday!

2007-06-04 Thread Jim Thompson
el jefe delito wrote: I hope that we can start to create some buzz about this product! Being open, being able to work with multiple service providers, being unlocked, being cheaper, being higher-resolution... all of these are benefits that we must PROMOTE. The quicker we can post on an

RE: OpenMoko - We Need HYPE, and we need it yesterday!

2007-06-04 Thread Dean Collins
Yep my thoughts exactly - wait until the product is out before trying to hype it any more. Enough people know about it already. Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-212-203-4357 Ph +1-917-207-3420 Mb +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). -Original Message-

Re: OpenMoko - We Need HYPE, and we need it yesterday!

2007-06-04 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Frankly, creating buzz about the product doesn't really seem like our job... I'm just looking forward to getting one so I can get to serious work on it! ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: OpenMoko - We Need HYPE, and we need it yesterday!

2007-06-04 Thread Rory McCann
Jim Thompson wrote: Comments don't sell phones, applications do. Once we have functional hardware, we can create better software, and the combination of these is far better than any amount of hype or PR. Agreed. The iPhone will be available in about a month with a selection of polished and

Re: [SVHMPC] concept phone with only a touchscreen for UI

2007-06-04 Thread Bradley Hook
A possible solution for this has been discussed under an accessibility thread. The Maestro is a simple (yet effective) clip-on cover for PocketPCs. There are a few different versions of it, which work with various different brands and models of PocketPCs. Check out a picture at:

Re: [Fwd: Re: Neo1973 Update!]

2007-06-04 Thread Bradley Hook
I imagine some creative programmer could offload some GPS calculations into 3D space... just an idea if the GPU is very efficient. ~Bradley Attila Csipa wrote: On Monday 04 June 2007 11:03, Florent THIERY wrote: My guess is that the primary application of that chip will be audio/video

Re: Voice/Command recongnition

2007-06-04 Thread Florent THIERY
Or http://wiki.tuxisalive.com/index.php/Speech_recognition ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

RE: OpenMoko - We Need HYPE, and we need it yesterday!

2007-06-04 Thread Jon Phillips
agree...hype leads to vapor :) jump into the contributing, do blog it and help move forward, but mos def think the program waves should come when there are major announcements... Jon -Original Message- From: Dean Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 11:56 AM To: Jim

Re: Phone Call Security

2007-06-04 Thread Mikko Rauhala
[Recipients list pruned...] ti, 2007-06-05 kello 01:14 +0200, Florent THIERY kirjoitti: An option would be some kind of push-to-talk : record mp3, crypt mp3, PUT mp3 (on a webserver/scp) -- download mp3, decrypt, listen. Yeah, this has been discussed also. One could stick it on top of Jabber

Re: Apple iPhone ads

2007-06-04 Thread Florent THIERY
I noticed a funny phrase in the tossug video: Because desktop computing assumes that we only have butts ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Phone Call Security

2007-06-04 Thread Bradley Hook
Since all of the communications of a cell phone are digital (nothing is analog between mic and speaker), encrypting the voice data stream should be rather trivial (at least is in my understanding of the universe), even if you have to resort to implementing a virtual mic device that emits an

Re: idea for Neo 2nd generation: Accelerometer

2007-06-04 Thread kkr
2D or 3D chip? Regards, Le mercredi 24 janvier 2007 à 19:33 +0800, Sean Moss-Pultz a écrit : On 1/24/07 11:41 AM, kkr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anybody know more about price and precision of the accelerometers's chips on the market now? About US$3. -Sean

Re: Neo1973 Update!

2007-06-04 Thread kkr
If I well understand, three accelerometers are necessary to fully define all phone's movements. Isn't it? http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-May/005216.html So, what's the reason to have only two, and not three 3D accelerometers? - the cost?... 3 $US (But I don't know if it's a

Re: Neo1973 Update!

2007-06-04 Thread Steven **
There are two 3D accelerometers according to the talk at Tossug. -Steven On 6/4/07, kkr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I well understand, three accelerometers are necessary to fully define all phone's movements. Isn't it? http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-May/005216.html So,

Re: Why not taking pre-orders?

2007-06-04 Thread Clayton Jones
Hear! Hear!! I've been waiting for months for the first phones! I'd be happy to pre-order for 2 reasons: 1) to guarantee i'd be getting a phone as soon as possible 2) to get some much-needed cash in the hands of FIC and OpenMoko to keep things moving in the right direction Please let us know if

Re: Neo1973 Update!

2007-06-04 Thread Tim Newsom
If your tracking movement with 2 3D accelerometers... What would another one provide. As far as I can tell (I am not an expert...) Tracking all 6 vectors will tell you absolute movement in space. I.e, when 2 vectors point in the same direction with the same magnitude at approximately the same