Hello.
Zak pisze:
Hi,
tried using the openmoko-dialer in vain. The /tmp/gsm.log file
contains the lines attached to the end of this email. I also find that
the applet of top menu disappears whenever I power on the GSM module
using the pull-down menu.
This is known bug.
Add
/etc/init.d/gsmd
thomas.cooksey at bt.com wrote:
Fantastic news! What works? Looking at the youtube videos, it appears
that the phone, SMS, bluetooth power management are all working? Can
you actually place and recieve calls?
I'm sure OpenMoko development will continue, but a good question is
why? I don't really
Subject: Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973
Date: mar 25 set 07 08:18:31 +0200
Quoting Dani Anon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
- But QT is not free (as in beer) for commercial usage
This is not the only reason why Qtopia is sub-optimal.
QT is bound to C++. With GTK you can choose to program
Carlo E. Prelz wrote:
Subject: Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973
Date: mar 25 set 07 08:18:31 +0200
Quoting Dani Anon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
- But QT is not free (as in beer) for commercial usage
This is not the only reason why Qtopia is sub-optimal.
It's not a reason at all.
On Sep 24, 2007, at 11:58 PM, Carlo E. Prelz wrote:
QT is bound to C++. With GTK you can choose to program in C, or, if
you really want to, in C++. With QT there is no way you can write your
code in C.
This is an utterly pathetic excuse not to try something. You don't
have to become a C++
On 9/25/07, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Carlo E. Prelz wrote:
Subject: Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973
Date: mar 25 set 07 08:18:31 +0200
Quoting Dani Anon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
- But QT is not free (as in beer) for commercial usage
This is not the only reason
On Tuesday 25 September 2007 09:51:42 Lorn Potter wrote:
but I have reasons to believe that a) I should have
to learn to code in a totally different environment, and b) that
environment would require coding in C++. Both things are not desirable
for me.
fair enough reasons here.
Which
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 10:32:46 +0200, Dani Anon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
strongly agree with all these points. With mobile devices, direct
access to the hardware is everything because it might mean an extra
hour of battery. the main problem right now is I'm not sure about the
future of openmoko
Just for the record, those are tablets, that weight more (i.e: they
have more battery life thus power) that can take such overhead. N800
doesn't even have phone functions! Do you know about any linuxphone
with X?
Consider that QT had a X port already, why waste time removing the X
dependence for
On Tuesday 25 September 2007 10:32:46 Dani Anon wrote:
I thing gp is right, c might be better than c++ for small devices and
certainly you need to code in c++ to take advantage of qtopia
components.
If we lived through Java on mobile devices (which actually is quite virile
even today), and
Just for the record, those are tablets, that weight more (i.e: they
have more battery life thus power) that can take such overhead. N800
Why do you assume that X is overhead that needs more weight and
battery capacity?
X11 is also using the same framebuffer as others are using. It is
just a
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 11:18:39 +0200, Dani Anon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Most of Linux powered extramobile devices that I know of (please
correct me if I'm wrong) have some kind of framebuffer environment in
which you can directly draw stuff on screen with little overhead.
Just for the record,
On Tuesday 25 September 2007 11:18:39 Dani Anon wrote:
Just for the record, those are tablets, that weight more (i.e: they
have more battery life thus power) that can take such overhead. N800
doesn't even have phone functions! Do you know about any linuxphone
with X?
According to Wikipedia,
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 10:32:46 +0200, Dani Anon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 9/25/07, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Carlo E. Prelz wrote:
Subject: Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973
Date: mar 25 set 07 08:18:31 +0200
Quoting Dani Anon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
- But QT is
On Tuesday 25 September 2007 14:23:24 Steven Le Roux wrote:
Ok, I am not a developper, but, I think the accelorometer has the goal to
provide a good video rendering.
Nitpick: An accelerometer measures physical acceleration and enables things
like the Wiimote. What you're thinking of is a
Subject: Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973
Date: mar 25 set 07 01:23:37 -0700
Quoting Ted Lemon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
This is an utterly pathetic excuse not to try something.
It would have been, had I never attempted to get familiar with that
language. But I have, a handful of
On Tue, September 25, 2007 3:14 pm, Dani Anon wrote:
It's either one of the following:
1) Application asks to draw a line and waits. X sees that request and
uses a driver to draw the line, then sends confirmation. Now the
application waits and when the confirmation is received it's ready
Piotr Duda wrote:
1. format my SD card with ext3 and mount it (on laptop)
2. unpacked rootfs from qtopia-4.3.0-preview-neo-flash.tgz to SD card
3. copied the uImage-2.6.22.5-moko11-r2-fic-gta01.bin kernel to the boot/
on SD card and rename it to uImage
4. umount and take out SD card from the
On Tuesday 25 September 2007 10:32, Dani Anon wrote:
On 9/25/07, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Carlo E. Prelz wrote:
Quoting Dani Anon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
- But QT is not free (as in beer) for commercial usage
This is not the only reason why Qtopia is sub-optimal.
It's
I think you are misrepresenting the difference. I would write that as:
1. Application asks X to draw a line, then gets on with other stuff, or
makes other calls while it waits. X calls the device driver which talks
to the hardware GPU (using around 20 bytes of API call) which uses
I can echo these views.
I personally like a C based framework as I develop on my Neo in Scheme.
I use a Scheme-to-C compiler called Chicken which happens to work
extremely nicely with GTK+. I can develop much more efficiently/easily
in Scheme than I can in C. I would not have this choice if I
Am 25.09.2007 um 17:20 schrieb Dani Anon:
But hey I like how you conveniently left unanswered my comment about
how the FBUI and DirectFB projects exist solely to remove the X server
overhead. Can you explain to me and them why they are wrong and how
they have wasted all those months of
On 9/25/07, AVee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tuesday 25 September 2007 10:32, Dani Anon wrote:
On 9/25/07, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Carlo E. Prelz wrote:
Quoting Dani Anon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
- But QT is not free (as in beer) for commercial usage
This is not the
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:48:21 +0200, Gabriel Ambuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tuesday 25 September 2007 14:23:24 Steven Le Roux wrote:
Ok, I am not a developper, but, I think the accelorometer has the goal
to
provide a good video rendering.
Nitpick: An accelerometer measures physical
It may be worth mentioning that D also works well with straight C libs,
but can't interface directly with C++. Its in the same league as C++ in
terms of speed, while arguably being more elegant.
I haven't worked with scheme since the 80's, in my intro to programming
course! I'll have to
-gta01
DISTRO = openmoko
DISTRO_VERSION = P1-September-Snapshot-20070925
TARGET_FPU = soft
Any help would be greatlly appreciated!
Tom
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Dani Anon wrote:
Yep, but there's this undeniable fact that having 0 entry cost invites
a whole new class of developers that you wouldn't have otherwise. I
think we could perfectly choose QTopia and just handicap commercial
developers, either of the options is better than having two options.
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
Am 25.09.2007 um 17:20 schrieb Dani Anon:
But hey I like how you conveniently left unanswered my comment about
how the FBUI and DirectFB projects exist solely to remove the X server
overhead. Can you explain to me and them why they are wrong and how
they have
Dani Anon wrote:
On 9/25/07, Steven Le Roux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 10:32:46 +0200, Dani Anon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 9/25/07, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Carlo E. Prelz wrote:
Subject: Re: Qtopia coming for Neo1973
Date: mar 25 set 07
On Tuesday 25 September 2007 17:51, Dani Anon wrote:
On 9/25/07, AVee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'll use commercial app if they are worth the money. But i really don't
see how someone developing a non-free (both in speech as in beer) should
get their toolkit for free. When you expect
On 9/25/07, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How many commercial closed source applications are available for
Linux? How many have you bought? Have you paid attention to what people
say when someone releases closed source for Linux? How often have nvidia
and ATI been harassed about their
On Tuesday 25 September 2007 20:14:36 Carlo E. Prelz wrote:
properly express my mental patterns. C++ did not cut my cake. No need
to repeat the experience. I already know how to write what little user
interface code I need to write, either in C or in Ruby, with
GTK. Luckily I do not need to
On Sep 25, 2007, at 11:14 AM, Carlo E. Prelz wrote:
N. I just say that Qt has no C api. And this makes it
unusable. For me. No mention of it being bad.
The personal reason you've given for why you prefer Gtk to Qt is
valid, for you. However, most of what you said had nothing to do
On Tuesday 25 September 2007 20:36:53 Lorn Potter wrote:
Yep, but there's this undeniable fact that having 0 entry cost invites
a whole new class of developers that you wouldn't have otherwise. I
think we could perfectly choose QTopia and just handicap commercial
developers, either of the
AVee wrote:
On Tuesday 25 September 2007 10:32, Dani Anon wrote:
On 9/25/07, Lorn Potter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I thing gp is right, c might be better than c++ for small devices and
certainly you need to code in c++ to take advantage of qtopia
components.
Why whould plain C be better,
john [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I can echo these views.
I personally like a C based framework as I develop on my Neo in
Scheme. I use a Scheme-to-C compiler called Chicken which happens to
work extremely nicely with GTK+. I can develop much more
efficiently/easily in Scheme than I can in C.
ok... I dig my bash history and I found out that I used rootfs from
ficgta01-qtopia-developer-rootfs.tgz file... sorry for this mistake...
but on second thought I had the same error when I used wrong kernel, so maybe
U should also try with another one first
regards...
Piotr
This didn't
On 25/9/07 4:41 pm, john [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have built an ipk of the Chicken Scheme system if anybody is tempted
to the dark side? ;)
Personally I'd like a fully reflective on-board IDE/squeak-like environment
(where there is no separation from applications and programming
I've just verified positively that it also works when I use
rootfs from qtopia-4.3.0-preview-neo-flash.tgz with the same kernel..
regards
Piotr Duda pisze:
ok... I dig my bash history and I found out that I used rootfs from
ficgta01-qtopia-developer-rootfs.tgz file... sorry for this mistake...
AVee wrote:
C++ compiler needs to be improved. You do realize that C++ was explicitly
designed with embedded software in mind?
I'm curious where you got the idea that C++ was explicitly designed
with embedded software in mind?
Anyways...
I don't know why the Qtopia vs. Openmoko thing has
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