We don't yet but we'll look into it. Sounds like a good idea.
Michael
Javi Roman wrote:
Hi all,
I wonder if OpenMoko has a banner advertisement (web banner, animated
gif, ...) to promote in personal web sites.
-Javi
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:-)
Someday there will be a conference in Ohio :-)
I'll look forward to meeting you there or elswhere, Christopher.
Michael
Christopher Earl wrote:
Michael,.
I swaer to god I would be there if i didnt live in Ohio, you get me
to LA and ill go LOL
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On Fri, 8 Feb 2008, Wolfgang Spraul wrote:
Dear Community,
Some of our chips or chipsets contain proprietary firmware in flash memory.
For example, in GTA02 these include the Wi-Fi, GPS, and
Carlo E. Prelz wrote:
Subject: Re: now Koolu makes a phone too ;-)
Date: gio 07 feb 08 11:30:53 -0800
Quoting Michael Shiloh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
Yes, Koolu is a distributor.
mmm. They offer pre-order and quote a price of US$399. Available to
developers this March. And th
Am 08.02.2008 um 08:30 schrieb Michael Shiloh:
Yes, Koolu is a distributor.
Michael
I thought that there are no distributors defined yet except the one
in Germany mentioned recently?
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On Feb 7, 2008 8:32 PM, Wolfgang Spraul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> He suggested we treat any chipset with proprietary firmware as a black-
> box, a circuit. He suggested we ignore the firmware inside. If the
> firmware is buggy and the vendor needs the ability to update the
> firmware, we instead
Hello,
I've researched this a little, and this is what I've learned:
1. We are still looking at a number of different batteries, so there is
no "final" capacity or feature set determined yet.
2. The capacity will most likely be around 1200mA.
If you find any place on the wiki that says somet
So you want to patent any unique tech in the neo to prevent some scum
from patenting your ideas then taking openmoko to court?
Then just do it! Its in everyones interest not to see openmoko taken
down so I'd imagine anyone here with an ounce of sense would not have a
bad word to say about tha
FAQ Interactive, Funny Images and Videos Online
http://www.faqinteractive.com/ 1-866-268-5588
Images have always been useful on internet content, the first logos were
mainly the name of the company with a simple drawing, then we got MS Paint,
where people could make their own images, that was a
On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 02:32:35 -0800, Michael Shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yup. I already brought it to the attention of our list superuser, who
> will remove this spammer.
>
> Michael
good,
note that I just replied it to inform others to not read it, to save time ;)
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Yup. I already brought it to the attention of our list superuser, who
will remove this spammer.
Michael
Steven Le Roux wrote:
Just for the record...
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I was wondering if OM wanted to try and set up something for HOPE(Hackers On
Planet Earth) in July, I am going and would be happy to help.
>>> Michael Shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 02/08/08 3:08 AM >>>
:-)
Someday there will be a conference in Ohio :-)
I'll look forward to meeting you there or el
Just for the record...
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> We don't yet but we'll look into it. Sounds like a good idea.
Maybe it's also a good idea to update the neo1973 images on the various
openmoko pages
(especially the Products page) with the new (2007.2) user interface. IMHO that
looks
much better.
> Michael
>
> Javi Roman wrote:
>> Hi all,
>
> I think that we all agree here that the patent system is completely broken.
>
> By filling patent, even for defense only, you are playing the rule.
>
> What I've seen so far is that small companies that cannot afford a lawyer
> department simply choose to ignore the rules and just ignore complete
anyone know where I can cut the Microphone Gain? If its in the alsamixer whats
the label??
>>> Joe Pfeiffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 02/08/08 10:11 AM >>>
Jonathan Spooner writes:
>So you want to patent any unique tech in the neo to prevent some scum
>from patenting your ideas then taking openmoko to
I think he had the right intentions about this idea, however it would require
vast CPU resources or a coprocessor dedicated to firware/driver layer
managment. This is unlikley to happen, However trying to unlock the virtual
lips of companies would be a huge step forward. Not to play devils advoc
On Fri, 2008-02-08 at 01:04 -0800, Michael Shiloh wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I've researched this a little, and this is what I've learned:
>
> 1. We are still looking at a number of different batteries, so there is
> no "final" capacity or feature set determined yet.
>
> 2. The capacity will most like
Esra Kummer wrote:
This sounds like a great idea. I think what you mean is that if a
competitor sues OpenMoko for allegedly infringing its patent, then
OpenMoko can counter-sue saying "BTW you are infringing this one of
ours too" and then it gets settled out-of-court by cross-licensing,
right?
On 2/8/08 Nick Guenther wrote:
[snip]
>> I really hope that OpenMoko will not be covered by any patents.
(but I'm
>> > > sure that there's a patent for a device allowing wireless
communication
>> > > somewhere)
> >
> > I totally agree with Lionel here. It will be bad PR wise and it's
very di
Jonathan Spooner writes:
>So you want to patent any unique tech in the neo to prevent some scum
>from patenting your ideas then taking openmoko to court?
>
>Then just do it! Its in everyones interest not to see openmoko taken
>down so I'd imagine anyone here with an ounce of sense would not have
Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
Andres Paglayan wrote:
what about posting this exact question at groklaw?
Oh yes. That would work well...I'll make a post later today.
Looks like they already picked this up...
[PJ: Yes. Contact Open Invention Network and Software Freedom Law
Center. Every patent
Hi,
The reason I ask is that my Neo1973's GPS can't get a fix, at all, and
I was wondering whether the problem was location-related -- or just
plain bad karma...
Thanks.
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On Friday 08 February 2008 08:46, Lally Singh wrote:
> On Feb 7, 2008 8:32 PM, Wolfgang Spraul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > He suggested we treat any chipset with proprietary firmware as a black-
> > box, a circuit. He suggested we ignore the firmware inside. If the
> > firmware is buggy and the
Due to regulatory requirements over wireless frequencies, power and
modulation i can't see it being possible for the low level software that
controls the RF transmitters being Open Source.
Moving the software that modulates the transmitted RF and demodulates
the received RF onto the user space CP
Have we seen any concrete results on what the battery life will be like in
the GTA02 yet? I suppose we won't get that until it's actually in the hands
of developers.
On Feb 8, 2008 6:23 AM, Nick Guenther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Feb 8, 2008 4:04 AM, Michael Shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrot
On Friday 08 February 2008 17:29:36 Steven ** wrote:
> Search the archives. There's some Nokia battery that is apparently a
> drop-in replacement for the Neo1973's battery.
Almost. Unfortunately the Bl-5C has only 850mAh and for some reason the Neo
doesn't charge it. A DT-14 help for the latter.
Peter Trapp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
[snip]
>
> Beside of some suggestions you made, a similar webpage already exist:
>
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Buying_Interest_List
>
> Have fun improving it :)
>
> cheers
> - homyx
>
hi peter
yes i was already aware of this page - i am already in
On Fri, 2008-02-08 at 10:29 -0600, Steven ** wrote:
> Search the archives. There's some Nokia battery that is apparently a
> drop-in replacement for the Neo1973's battery. They discovered this a
> long time ago.
The Nokia batteries are AFAIK not a drop-in replacement. According to
http://wiki.op
Hi Tim and others,
There are a number of issues here, and I promised I'd look into this. It
turned out to be complicated, and I don't have the full answer yet.
There were a number of known software issues in GTA01 which caused the
battery to drain more rapidly than intended. Some of these hav
Andres Paglayan wrote:
what about posting this exact question at groklaw?
Oh yes. That would work well...I'll make a post later today.
Sean
On Feb 7, 2008, at 1:00 PM, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
Dear Community,
Most of you know that OpenMoko is a fully independent company at this
poin
this uim has an embedded scheme interpreter... I don't like that too
much for an embedded device...
hmm, I have no idea: is it big, slow?
It's apparently used on Linux Zaurus.
We could adapt the openmoko soft keyboard to interface with uim, and
if the API is well designed, the IM module cou
Christopher Earl schrieb:
I think he had the right intentions about this idea, however it would require
vast CPU resources or a coprocessor dedicated to firware/driver layer
managment. This is unlikley to happen, However trying to unlock the virtual
lips of companies would be a huge step forwa
Search the archives. There's some Nokia battery that is apparently a
drop-in replacement for the Neo1973's battery. They discovered this a
long time ago.
-Steven
On Feb 8, 2008 9:35 AM, Marcus Bauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, 2008-02-08 at 01:04 -0800, Michael Shiloh wrote:
> > Hello,
On Feb 8, 2008 4:04 AM, Michael Shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I've researched this a little, and this is what I've learned:
>
> 1. We are still looking at a number of different batteries, so there is
> no "final" capacity or feature set determined yet.
>
> 2. The capacity will most
> I like the idea of having total control over my electronic devices -
> especially if they are able to collect everything about my life like a
> mobile phone. Thats why I'm currently living without any mobil.
> If I am able to look into what runs on my device, I can trust that
> stuff. so I'm o
On Feb 8, 2008 4:46 AM, Sander van Grieken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I think that we all agree here that the patent system is completely broken.
> >
> > By filling patent, even for defense only, you are playing the rule.
> >
> > What I've seen so far is that small companies that cannot affor
Hi Wolfgang,
Thanks for sharing this with the community.
Le vendredi 08 février 2008 à 09:32 +0800, Wolfgang Spraul a écrit :
> Then we ran into problems when bugs were found in the firmware, and we
> wanted to update handsets out in the field.
> The vendors would give us firmware updates and
On Freitag, 8. Februar 2008, JW wrote:
[snip]
> So now I think we should apply this to helping team OpenMoko to decide how
> many FreeRunner's they should manufacture in their first run *based on how
> many people they think will buy a Freerunner in the first two months from
> launch*.
>
> Rather t
Sadly I can't attend. Maybe next year. We had the SCALE guys on TLLTS 2
weeks ago. Everyone I talk to who's attended it in the past love it.
Have fun guys!
>> I was wondering if OM wanted to try and set up something for HOPE(Hackers
>> on Planet Earth) in July
I second that request. I'll definitel
Hong Kong appears to have decent DOP, as reported on the US Air Force
GPS map
http://gps.afspc.af.mil/gpsoc/performance_reports.aspx
Are you trying indoors or while surrounded by many tall buildings? That
would seriously degrade the GPS signal.
dda wrote:
Hi,
The reason I ask is that my Ne
Am Fr 8. Februar 2008 schrieb Sean Moss-Pultz:
> of the case CAD files is not software (per say). In the future you will
> see a lot more. We don't believe software is only place people need
> openness.
So does this mean we will eventually see the circuit diagrams (and even PCB
layouts??), so w
On Friday 08 February 2008, Ben Burdette wrote:
> I was looking at the GTA02 hardware spec on the wiki, and its looking
> (to me) like mono only output. According to this:
>
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Audio_Subsystem
>
> The neo1973 has a stereo LM4857 amplifier, which drives the ster
What's wrong with binary-only device drivers for updating the firmware? Even
encrypted ones. Except Mr. Stallman thinks this will render whole GNU/Linux
system in an unusable state and he likes to force manufacturers to change
sth, as we all know. I don't see any HW-manufacturer to play the game
Am Fr 8. Februar 2008 schrieb Ben Burdette:
> I was looking at the GTA02 hardware spec on the wiki, and its looking
> (to me) like mono only output. According to this:
>
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Audio_Subsystem
>
> The neo1973 has a stereo LM4857 amplifier, which drives the ster
Great stuff, this is why I'll by a neo and tell everyone I know the
same. Free the phone!
On 2/7/08, Wolfgang Spraul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dear Community,
>
> Some of our chips or chipsets contain proprietary firmware in flash
> memory. For example, in GTA02 these include the Wi-Fi, GPS,
joerg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> The amp is for the speaker(s) only, and GTA02 has only one of
> them (mono). That's fine, for one good speaker will yield a better sound than
> 2 small ones.
Unfortunately, I don't think we're getting "one good speaker" in the bargain.
The second speaker was
I was looking at the GTA02 hardware spec on the wiki, and its looking
(to me) like mono only output. According to this:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Audio_Subsystem
The neo1973 has a stereo LM4857 amplifier, which drives the stereo
speakers, mono earpiece, and (presumably stereo) hea
> btw: you *never* know exactly what's going on on your device, because you
> never can trust in (LSI-)chip design, which usually isn't "open source". If
> you want to know, you have to observe from outside the system. Do you know
> what your BIOS is doing? Sure not! Do you demand it to be coded "
How about a closed-source firmware update software and a mandatory public API
(not necessarily constant, just public) for each chip with closed firmware?
Mikhail.
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Sean Moss-Pultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Yes this is exactly what we want. We want to make the patents we get
> freely available, but also only usable for defensive purposes, forever
Sean,
I am a registered U.S. patent attorney and a member of the California Bar,
and I reside in the San F
On Feb 8, 2008 5:00 PM, Michael Shiloh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I guess many people would like to have a second battery - is there any
> > chance that you make them available? Openmoko on the Neo is now good
> > enough for daily use, yet it is running out of battery quickly.
> >
> > Maybe one
Marcus Bauer wrote:
On Fri, 2008-02-08 at 01:04 -0800, Michael Shiloh wrote:
Hello,
I've researched this a little, and this is what I've learned:
1. We are still looking at a number of different batteries, so there is
no "final" capacity or feature set determined yet.
2. The capacity will
Am Sa 9. Februar 2008 schrieb Clarke Wixon:
> joerg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > The amp is for the speaker(s) only, and GTA02 has only one of
> > them (mono). That's fine, for one good speaker will yield a better sound
than
> > 2 small ones.
>
> Unfortunately, I don't think we're gettin
Look again at the LM4853 specs and you'll see that it takes stereo in and
drives stereo headphone out or mono speaker out.
http://www.national.com/pf/LM/LM4853.html
Ah, I should have followed the link. I kind of stopped reading where it
said "Mono Amplifier" in the wiki.
http://wiki.o
Am Sa 9. Februar 2008 schrieb Steven Kurylo:
> > I don't
> > want to know how 802.11b protocol is handled in the wlan-chip. I want to
> > have a powerfull bugfree API for the subsystem.
>
> In a Free software world, we do want to know.
Ok, agreed. But where ends SW and starts HW. Dedicated cus
Clarke Wixon wrote:
Sean Moss-Pultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Yes this is exactly what we want. We want to make the patents we get
freely available, but also only usable for defensive purposes, forever
Sean,
I am a registered U.S. patent attorney and a member of the California Bar,
and I
Someone asked about killing the Huge clock that takes up the whole display
quicksand on #openmoko gave me this, it makes the clock real small and docks it
on the date bar
This works from ssh
dbus-launch gconftool-2 --type bool --set /desktop/poky/interface/small_clock
true
I dunno about Byeoru [벼루, I suppose, the flat stone used to make ink
from dried China ink and water, used in calligraphy, I suppose], but
the others are common, I think I mentioned them before.
2-beol is the most common hangul layout over qwerty. 3-beol is another
one, which I have never seen in u
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