Re: [SHR-U / All?] Illume Keyboard in Landscape
It worked correctly for long time, just revision used actually in SHR has this bug. And it's really old revision, it's possible it was even fixed long time ago. i tried this again in the mrmoku unstable release and no luck either :( And it works correctly on landscape and always worked, just in revision we're using ATM switching at runtime doesn't work. That's correct wording. i could only find this [1] ticket which is 4 months old and apparently got no attention but IIRC the keyboard never really worked corectly in landscape. here we perhaps have different opinion on what is correct: as i remember in the past, in landscape mode the keyboard would use to show up not being cut BUT it didn't get resized to the true width of the screen thus it would (not correctly) only allow the user to use the same size of buttons as in portrait mode. to see the keyboard resized, the re-enabling keyboard trick had to be used. as Xglamo kills my fr upon suspend/resume in landscape i never really bothered but now i tried Xorg and suspend/resume seem to work OK so the landscape mode can be quite useful already. the glitch is that there is only one person who can fix this and that's Raster... perhaps at least we raised the issue once again... Petr [1] http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/ticket/358 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-U / All?] Illume Keyboard in Landscape
If someone can tell me an easy command for restarting the wrench, I could add it to omnewrotate (as an option). Rui On Tue, Oct 06, 2009 at 10:34:59PM -0400, Joshua Judson Rosen wrote: Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk writes: On 7 Oct 2009, at 00:26, undrwater wrote: ... Sorry, I read ALL these explanations as saying exactly the same thing, just in different ways. Perhaps you could clarify how they differ? Hm. I read: Problem 1: illume keyboard in landscape mode does not show (the keyboard itself doesn't show, only the prediction window and keyboard selector) Problem 2: qwerty button is hidden in shelf gadget and requires 2 taps to bring it up I posted problem 1, I think you understood problem 2. Am I right? Item 2 (I find that a problem, too) is discussed in this thread because it's necessary to go through this procedure to overcome problem 1. In this thread this pair of actions was originally described by Sebastian Krzyszkowiak in his post of 3 October 2009 14:55:51 BST. Joshua Judson Rosen's post of 3 October 2009 19:04:36 BST (I don't understand what you guys are talking about) may indicate that he doesn't suffer from problem 2. This is my experience: If the screen is already in landscape mode when the keyboard pops up, then the keyboaprd appears perfectly fine. Only if the keyboard is already shown prior to rotating the display, then it doesn't show properly when the display arrives in landscape mode. In this second case, the only steps required to fix the keyboard is to hide and then show it by: 0] Lowering the shelf and tapping qwerty (to hide the keyboard). 1] Lowering the shelf and tapping qwerty again (to re-show the keyboard). This does /not/ involve the `wrench', or changing any settings. The word none is not involved, nor is the word default. And, again: if the screen is rotated into landscape mode prior to the keyboard becoming visible, this procedure is not even necessary as the keyboard `just works'. Contrariwise, situation that I read Sebastian, Petr, et al. describing is: The keyboard does not appear properly in landscape mode, regardless of whether the display is rotated before or after the keyboard appears. If the screen is already in landscape mode when the keyboard pops up, the keyboard does *not* appear correctly. To make the keyboard appear properly in landscape mode, *this* following procedure must be repeated each time the screen is rotated: 0] Lower the shelf and tap the `wrench' icon. 2] Select Keyboard in the menu that appears. 3] Select the None radiobutton in the screen that appears. 4] Select the Default radiobutton (in the same screen, which remains until the Close button is pressed). [And, since I haven't actually seen /this/ scenario myself, I'm assuming that the following step is also needed:] 5] If the keyboard is not showing now, lower the shelf and tap qwerty to show it. The two situations (and procedures) look *remarkably* different to me. If this is unclear, I can probably post a video demonstrating my experience -- Don't be afraid to ask (Lf.((Lx.xx) (Lr.f(rr. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-U / All?] Illume Keyboard in Landscape
On Wednesday 07 October 2009 09:06:34 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: If someone can tell me an easy command for restarting the wrench, I could add it to omnewrotate (as an option). +1, that would be cool -- Adolph J. Vogel BEng(Hons) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-U / All?] Illume Keyboard in Landscape
On 7 Oct 2009, at 03:34, Joshua Judson Rosen wrote: ... In this second case, the only steps required to fix the keyboard is to hide and then show it by: 0] Lowering the shelf and tapping qwerty (to hide the keyboard). 1] Lowering the shelf and tapping qwerty again (to re-show the keyboard). This does /not/ involve the `wrench', or changing any settings. ... Ok, excuse me. I am a new user and had been pressing at the wrench (or at least, trying to) to lower the shelf. With some experimentation I see that pressing anywhere in the shelf lowers it. My apologies, and thank you for the clear explanation, Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: [SHR-U / All?] Illume Keyboard in Landscape
|On 3 Oct 2009, at 19:04, Joshua Judson Rosen wrote: | Sebastian Krzyszkowiak seba.d...@gmail.com writes: | ... | But I already told you - you don't have to restart whole E. Just | enter | to keyboard menu in illume wrench, select none, and then default (it | will restart illume keyboard). And it'll work just nicely. | | I don't even need to do *that*: I've always just tapped the `qwerty' | box (in the top-right corner, in the default theme), and the keyboard | pops up perfectly fine even in landscape mode. I don't understand what | you guys are talking about--should that not be working for me? | |On my Freerunner - running SHR-unstable - the qwuerty is not visible |in the top-right corner by default. You have to press the wrench to |pull out the top tray. Then the qwerty is visible and pressing it |operates the keyboard. I believe this is what Sebastian is explaining. | |Stroller. | I don't think so. Many of us have the problem where the keyboard does not show completely in landscape mode. My understanding of the work-around is to select none then illume in the illume wrench settings. I've tried this and it works, but you have to do it again when you switch back to portrait since the keyboard doesn't resize. I'll use this as a workaround, but I'm hoping the updated version will fix the issue. Sebastian, Is that slated to be added to SHR soon? Thanks, Russell Dwiggins ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-U / All?] Illume Keyboard in Landscape
On 5 Oct 2009, at 19:12, Russell Dwiggins wrote: |On 3 Oct 2009, at 19:04, Joshua Judson Rosen wrote: | Sebastian Krzyszkowiak seba.d...@gmail.com writes: | ... | But I already told you - you don't have to restart whole E. Just | enter | to keyboard menu in illume wrench, select none, and then default (it | will restart illume keyboard). And it'll work just nicely. | | I don't even need to do *that*: I've always just tapped the `qwerty' | box (in the top-right corner, in the default theme), and the keyboard | pops up perfectly fine even in landscape mode. I don't understand what | you guys are talking about--should that not be working for me? | |On my Freerunner - running SHR-unstable - the qwuerty is not visible |in the top-right corner by default. You have to press the wrench to |pull out the top tray. Then the qwerty is visible and pressing it |operates the keyboard. I believe this is what Sebastian is explaining. | |Stroller. | I don't think so. Many of us have the problem where the keyboard does not show completely in landscape mode. My understanding of the work-around is to select none then illume in the illume wrench settings. I've tried this and it works, but you have to do it again when you switch back to portrait since the keyboard doesn't resize. Sorry, I read ALL these explanations as saying exactly the same thing, just in different ways. Perhaps you could clarify how they differ? Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-U / All?] Illume Keyboard in Landscape
Stroller-2 wrote: Sorry, I read ALL these explanations as saying exactly the same thing, just in different ways. Perhaps you could clarify how they differ? Stroller. Hm. I read: Problem 1: illume keyboard in landscape mode does not show (the keyboard itself doesn't show, only the prediction window and keyboard selector) Problem 2: qwerty button is hidden in shelf gadget and requires 2 taps to bring it up I posted problem 1, I think you understood problem 2. Am I right? Russell Dwiggins -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/SHR-U-All-Illume-Keyboard-in-Landscape-tp3758467p3778755.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-U / All?] Illume Keyboard in Landscape
On 7 Oct 2009, at 00:26, undrwater wrote: ... Sorry, I read ALL these explanations as saying exactly the same thing, just in different ways. Perhaps you could clarify how they differ? Hm. I read: Problem 1: illume keyboard in landscape mode does not show (the keyboard itself doesn't show, only the prediction window and keyboard selector) Problem 2: qwerty button is hidden in shelf gadget and requires 2 taps to bring it up I posted problem 1, I think you understood problem 2. Am I right? Item 2 (I find that a problem, too) is discussed in this thread because it's necessary to go through this procedure to overcome problem 1. In this thread this pair of actions was originally described by Sebastian Krzyszkowiak in his post of 3 October 2009 14:55:51 BST. Joshua Judson Rosen's post of 3 October 2009 19:04:36 BST (I don't understand what you guys are talking about) may indicate that he doesn't suffer from problem 2. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-U / All?] Illume Keyboard in Landscape
Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk writes: On 7 Oct 2009, at 00:26, undrwater wrote: ... Sorry, I read ALL these explanations as saying exactly the same thing, just in different ways. Perhaps you could clarify how they differ? Hm. I read: Problem 1: illume keyboard in landscape mode does not show (the keyboard itself doesn't show, only the prediction window and keyboard selector) Problem 2: qwerty button is hidden in shelf gadget and requires 2 taps to bring it up I posted problem 1, I think you understood problem 2. Am I right? Item 2 (I find that a problem, too) is discussed in this thread because it's necessary to go through this procedure to overcome problem 1. In this thread this pair of actions was originally described by Sebastian Krzyszkowiak in his post of 3 October 2009 14:55:51 BST. Joshua Judson Rosen's post of 3 October 2009 19:04:36 BST (I don't understand what you guys are talking about) may indicate that he doesn't suffer from problem 2. This is my experience: If the screen is already in landscape mode when the keyboard pops up, then the keyboaprd appears perfectly fine. Only if the keyboard is already shown prior to rotating the display, then it doesn't show properly when the display arrives in landscape mode. In this second case, the only steps required to fix the keyboard is to hide and then show it by: 0] Lowering the shelf and tapping qwerty (to hide the keyboard). 1] Lowering the shelf and tapping qwerty again (to re-show the keyboard). This does /not/ involve the `wrench', or changing any settings. The word none is not involved, nor is the word default. And, again: if the screen is rotated into landscape mode prior to the keyboard becoming visible, this procedure is not even necessary as the keyboard `just works'. Contrariwise, situation that I read Sebastian, Petr, et al. describing is: The keyboard does not appear properly in landscape mode, regardless of whether the display is rotated before or after the keyboard appears. If the screen is already in landscape mode when the keyboard pops up, the keyboard does *not* appear correctly. To make the keyboard appear properly in landscape mode, *this* following procedure must be repeated each time the screen is rotated: 0] Lower the shelf and tap the `wrench' icon. 2] Select Keyboard in the menu that appears. 3] Select the None radiobutton in the screen that appears. 4] Select the Default radiobutton (in the same screen, which remains until the Close button is pressed). [And, since I haven't actually seen /this/ scenario myself, I'm assuming that the following step is also needed:] 5] If the keyboard is not showing now, lower the shelf and tap qwerty to show it. The two situations (and procedures) look *remarkably* different to me. If this is unclear, I can probably post a video demonstrating my experience -- Don't be afraid to ask (Lf.((Lx.xx) (Lr.f(rr. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-U / All?] Illume Keyboard in Landscape
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 2:00 AM, Russell Dwiggins undrwa...@verizon.net wrote: This is a complaint about the Illume keyboard not working in landscape mode. I love the keyboard (when it works), so I’d like to continue using it in landscape mode. Same here, it's not nice.. r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-U / All?] Illume Keyboard in Landscape
On 10/3/09, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 2:00 AM, Russell Dwiggins undrwa...@verizon.net wrote: This is a complaint about the Illume keyboard not working in landscape mode. I love the keyboard (when it works), so I’d like to continue using it in landscape mode. Same here, it's not nice.. r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Just restart enlightenment, or only keyboard. It works with landscape, it just doesn't switch correctly to landscape mode in runtime. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-U / All?] Illume Keyboard in Landscape
Just restart enlightenment, or only keyboard. It works with landscape, it just doesn't switch correctly to landscape mode in runtime. please word it correctly: it doesn't work correctly in landscape but there is an ugly hack to perform each time you rotate to make it fit. Illume (E) has had this ever since, i still wander what keeps it being the top w-manager for the freerunner. Petr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-U / All?] Illume Keyboard in Landscape
On 10/3/09, Petr Vanek van...@penguin.cz wrote: Just restart enlightenment, or only keyboard. It works with landscape, it just doesn't switch correctly to landscape mode in runtime. please word it correctly: it doesn't work correctly in landscape but there is an ugly hack to perform each time you rotate to make it fit. Illume (E) has had this ever since, i still wander what keeps it being the top w-manager for the freerunner. Petr It worked correctly for long time, just revision used actually in SHR has this bug. And it's really old revision, it's possible it was even fixed long time ago. And it works correctly on landscape and always worked, just in revision we're using ATM switching at runtime doesn't work. That's correct wording. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-U / All?] Illume Keyboard in Landscape
Petr Vanek wrote: Just restart enlightenment, or only keyboard. It works with landscape, it just doesn't switch correctly to landscape mode in runtime. please word it correctly: it doesn't work correctly in landscape but there is an ugly hack to perform each time you rotate to make it fit. Illume (E) has had this ever since, i still wander what keeps it being the top w-manager for the freerunner. Petr There are several reasons imho, but why i did not switch to sth else: the illume kbd is awesome! Yes e-docs are practically not there, but personally i think it is the toolkit of the future. also performance is great in comparison to what you get/what is possible... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-U / All?] Illume Keyboard in Landscape
PV please word it correctly: it doesn't work correctly in landscape PV but there is an ugly hack to perform each time you rotate to make PV it fit. Illume (E) has had this ever since, i still wander what PV keeps it being the top w-manager for the freerunner. SK And it works correctly on landscape and always worked, just in SK revision we're using ATM switching at runtime doesn't work. That's SK correct wording. BP There are several reasons imho, but why i did not switch to sth BP else: the illume kbd is awesome! BP Yes e-docs are practically not there, but personally i think it is BP the toolkit of the future. BP also performance is great in comparison to what you get/what is BP possible... i know all the reasoning, but the bottom line is: if you just want to rotate screen and have larger keyboard it doesn't work and it has been like that for a long time. restarting E every sinle time you want to write an sms in landscape sounds probably good to some, not to me. as with the keyboard, there have long been issues with subfolders on desktop, another desktop altogether, full-screen with no keyboard etc. i don't want to sound negative, but don't try to convince me or others that it works the way it was intended. it doesn't. despite the issues, i like illume and i really wish it is moved from the backburner to the front one to get some TLC. Petr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-U / All?] Illume Keyboard in Landscape
On 10/3/09, Petr Vanek van...@penguin.cz wrote: PV please word it correctly: it doesn't work correctly in landscape PV but there is an ugly hack to perform each time you rotate to make PV it fit. Illume (E) has had this ever since, i still wander what PV keeps it being the top w-manager for the freerunner. SK And it works correctly on landscape and always worked, just in SK revision we're using ATM switching at runtime doesn't work. That's SK correct wording. BP There are several reasons imho, but why i did not switch to sth BP else: the illume kbd is awesome! BP Yes e-docs are practically not there, but personally i think it is BP the toolkit of the future. BP also performance is great in comparison to what you get/what is BP possible... i know all the reasoning, but the bottom line is: if you just want to rotate screen and have larger keyboard it doesn't work and it has been like that for a long time. restarting E every sinle time you want to write an sms in landscape sounds probably good to some, not to me. as with the keyboard, there have long been issues with subfolders on desktop, another desktop altogether, full-screen with no keyboard etc. i don't want to sound negative, but don't try to convince me or others that it works the way it was intended. it doesn't. despite the issues, i like illume and i really wish it is moved from the backburner to the front one to get some TLC. Petr But I already told you - you don't have to restart whole E. Just enter to keyboard menu in illume wrench, select none, and then default (it will restart illume keyboard). And it'll work just nicely. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-U / All?] Illume Keyboard in Landscape
But I already told you - you don't have to restart whole E. Just enter to keyboard menu in illume wrench, select none, and then default (it will restart illume keyboard). And it'll work just nicely. all this just to write an SMS in landscape? :) Petr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-U / All?] Illume Keyboard in Landscape
Am Samstag, den 03.10.2009, 16:49 +0200 schrieb Petr Vanek: But I already told you - you don't have to restart whole E. Just enter to keyboard menu in illume wrench, select none, and then default (it will restart illume keyboard). And it'll work just nicely. all this just to write an SMS in landscape? :) No, for entering text into a browser while in landscape for example. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-U / All?] Illume Keyboard in Landscape
Sebastian Krzyszkowiak seba.d...@gmail.com writes: On 10/3/09, Petr Vanek van...@penguin.cz wrote: i know all the reasoning, but the bottom line is: if you just want to rotate screen and have larger keyboard it doesn't work and it has been like that for a long time. restarting E every sinle time you want to write an sms in landscape sounds probably good to some, not to me. as with the keyboard, there have long been issues with subfolders on desktop, another desktop altogether, full-screen with no keyboard etc. i don't want to sound negative, but don't try to convince me or others that it works the way it was intended. it doesn't. despite the issues, i like illume and i really wish it is moved from the backburner to the front one to get some TLC. Petr But I already told you - you don't have to restart whole E. Just enter to keyboard menu in illume wrench, select none, and then default (it will restart illume keyboard). And it'll work just nicely. I don't even need to do *that*: I've always just tapped the `qwerty' box (in the top-right corner, in the default theme), and the keyboard pops up perfectly fine even in landscape mode. I don't understand what you guys are talking about--should that not be working for me? -- Don't be afraid to ask (Lf.((Lx.xx) (Lr.f(rr. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-U / All?] Illume Keyboard in Landscape
On 3 Oct 2009, at 19:04, Joshua Judson Rosen wrote: Sebastian Krzyszkowiak seba.d...@gmail.com writes: ... But I already told you - you don't have to restart whole E. Just enter to keyboard menu in illume wrench, select none, and then default (it will restart illume keyboard). And it'll work just nicely. I don't even need to do *that*: I've always just tapped the `qwerty' box (in the top-right corner, in the default theme), and the keyboard pops up perfectly fine even in landscape mode. I don't understand what you guys are talking about--should that not be working for me? On my Freerunner - running SHR-unstable - the qwuerty is not visible in the top-right corner by default. You have to press the wrench to pull out the top tray. Then the qwerty is visible and pressing it operates the keyboard. I believe this is what Sebastian is explaining. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
