Re: Community Initiative GTK
On Friday 27 June 2008 20:14:26 Lorn Potter wrote: QWebKit QtWebKit z. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Community Initiative GTK
Yes, with FSO we move to a UI toolkit agnostic standpoint. Where Guiologists are free. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenmokoFramework -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of cedric cellier Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 8:53 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Community Initiative GTK -[ Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 05:27:52PM +0200, Francesco Cat ] I must have missed something... Can you post some links to explain what are the future plans for the Software Stack? Will GTK not be present any more? IIRC GTK is still present and always will be. But there are no more plans to varous a complete software set based on it. Apparently, this is more or less considered a feature from the OM team that no GUI is prefered over the other. Which is why I wondered what happended to the previous plans to provide a complete mobility software set. But perhaps the aim of OpenMoko has always been to release a phone, and that I daydreamed the software stack? :-/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Community Initiative GTK
Thanks Roh, That would make a great first project for the folks who like GTK. Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joachim Steiger Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 9:54 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Community Initiative GTK Marcus Bauer wrote: Hello, I'm wondering if there is any interest in maintaining the GTK software stack? would be nice. e.g. take the last gtk-based ui apps, rip out all libgsmd and neod dependencies and start communicating with the new middleware from FSO. this would basically solve all 'call stability' problems from gsmd times and give you the same, maintained middleware which in the future hopefully all openmoko devices will use. kind regards -- Joachim Steiger Openmoko Central Services ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community Initiative GTK
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Marcus Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm wondering if there is any interest in maintaining the GTK software stack? First of all, I'd be interrested in getting things to build on an iMac G5. After that, we'll see where it goes. I'm not against tha idea, although I'd have to learn to program TK (but learning a new plaform seems to be my forte lately...) If all else fails, I'll get an older PC off of eBay (or Marktplaats for the dutch). A Linux capable 700MHz (ish) PC with a 16G harddrive should suffice to install Ubuntu ad software stack, but getting it on my hom Mac would be better. Christ van Willegen -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community Initiative GTK
Im not sure I understand anything about OpenMoko software plans. So I will reply your question with another, probably dumb one : Is anyone planning to try maemo on the freerunner ? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community Initiative GTK
Hello, I'm wondering if there is any interest in maintaining the GTK software stack? ... Thus are there developers/companies on the list interested in maintaining GTK on the openmoko phones and starting a community initiative? Pretty much 90% is already there! I will try to be there but I fell sort of resources and skills ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Is anyone planning to try maemo on the freerunner ? my question, too. and what about ubuntu mobile? does anybody know whether the plan to test it on om? at least it's the first open phone in the wild -- should be a given development platform for them ... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community Initiative GTK
I must have missed something... Can you post some links to explain what are the future plans for the Software Stack? Will GTK not be present any more? 2008/6/27 Joe Pfeiffer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I for one definitely prefer GTK: as a toolkit I know and like it (in fairness I haven't developed for qt -- I have GTK and especially GTKmm), but in general I find I prefer the look of GTK-based apps better). I also felt the direction the phone was moving up until the ASU was looking very good and promising to me. It was much more along the lines of a handheld computer with phone featuers, which is what I want (the automatic sync with evolution was also very nice). I just noticed the other day that the scaredycat images are still based on the GTK stack -- I hope to be trying that out in the next couple of days. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community Initiative GTK
although I'd have to learn to program TK (but learning a new plaform seems to be my forte lately...) not sure, if you confuse something: gtk!=tk gtk is a c based toolkit used by gnome and gimp, tk ist a gui toolkit on top of tcl. If all else fails, I'll get an older PC off of eBay (or Marktplaats for the dutch). A Linux capable 700MHz (ish) PC with a 16G harddrive i think you are far better of with a pc with about 1.5 ghz and a bigger harddisk. developing requires a lot of additional packages which take up a lot of space -- and a fast cpu is a real blessing when compiling often. besides, i don't think the price will differ much ... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community Initiative GTK
hello crist, First of all, I'd be interrested in getting things to build on an iMac G5. After that, we'll see where it goes. I'm not against tha idea, although I'd have to learn to program TK (but learning a new plaform seems to be my forte lately...) I have my Santa Rosa iMac building package images over an usb storage using ubuntu mokomakefile; You don't have any need to invest in other hardware ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community Initiative GTK
-[ Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 05:27:52PM +0200, Francesco Cat ] I must have missed something... Can you post some links to explain what are the future plans for the Software Stack? Will GTK not be present any more? IIRC GTK is still present and always will be. But there are no more plans to varous a complete software set based on it. Apparently, this is more or less considered a feature from the OM team that no GUI is prefered over the other. Which is why I wondered what happended to the previous plans to provide a complete mobility software set. But perhaps the aim of OpenMoko has always been to release a phone, and that I daydreamed the software stack? :-/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community Initiative GTK
On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 17:27 +0200, Francesco Cat wrote: I must have missed something... Can you post some links to explain what are the future plans for the Software Stack? Will GTK not be present any more? Basically Openmoko has stopped the development of the GTK stack in order to start a new stack called ASU. There are some 10.000 developers for GTK who can start any time making software for the Neo while there are very few developers for ASU, maybe 50. ASU is only used on the Neo whereas your GTK apps will run on the desktop or on the new MID devices like the ASUS eeePC right out of the box. Naturally for an open source developer it is a difference if the software will run on some hundred Neos or on some million PCs and MIDs. The GTK stack simply needs maintainance and bugfixing to remain a perfect platform for future developments. A really nice thing about the current GTK stack is the abilily to work in portrait and landscape mode just the same. It is just a lot of fun to automatically turn your screen while turning the phone in your hands. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community Initiative GTK
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 5:34 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have my Santa Rosa iMac building package images over an usb storage using ubuntu mokomakefile; You don't have any need to invest in other hardware That's an Intel Mac, not a G5 one... Christ van Willegen -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community Initiative GTK
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 5:30 PM, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christ wrote: although I'd have to learn to program TK (but learning a new plaform seems to be my forte lately...) not sure, if you confuse something: gtk!=tk gtk is a c based toolkit used by gnome and gimp, tk ist a gui toolkit on top of tcl. That was a typoe for GTK... and that was a typo for typo :-) If all else fails, I'll get an older PC off of eBay (or Marktplaats for the dutch). A Linux capable 700MHz (ish) PC with a 16G harddrive i think you are far better of with a pc with about 1.5 ghz and a bigger harddisk. developing requires a lot of additional packages which take up a lot of space -- and a fast cpu is a real blessing when compiling often. besides, i don't think the price will differ much ... You have a point there, but having built all the packages, the Moko files will probably only be a couple of thousands of lines... Christ van Willegen -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community Initiative GTK
Which is why I wondered what happended to the previous plans to provide a complete mobility software set. But perhaps the aim of OpenMoko has always been to release a phone, and that I daydreamed the software stack? :-/ I wondered the exact same thing. From the front page of the wiki: Openmoko™ born as an Open Source project under GPL and LGPL license and dedicated to delivering an open software stack on mobile platforms, shipped its first product, the Neo 1973, on July 9 2007; and then, turned the project into a start-up company with one aim: create great mobile products using the Openmoko stack: Open. Mobile. Free. So the plan from the early days was to release an Open Source software stack, but this stack had to be radically altered at the 11th hour to get the hardware out of the door? Erm... 2008/6/27 cedric cellier [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -[ Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 05:27:52PM +0200, Francesco Cat ] I must have missed something... Can you post some links to explain what are the future plans for the Software Stack? Will GTK not be present any more? IIRC GTK is still present and always will be. But there are no more plans to varous a complete software set based on it. Apparently, this is more or less considered a feature from the OM team that no GUI is prefered over the other. Which is why I wondered what happended to the previous plans to provide a complete mobility software set. But perhaps the aim of OpenMoko has always been to release a phone, and that I daydreamed the software stack? :-/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community Initiative GTK
Marcus Bauer wrote: Hello, I'm wondering if there is any interest in maintaining the GTK software stack? would be nice. e.g. take the last gtk-based ui apps, rip out all libgsmd and neod dependencies and start communicating with the new middleware from FSO. this would basically solve all 'call stability' problems from gsmd times and give you the same, maintained middleware which in the future hopefully all openmoko devices will use. kind regards -- Joachim Steiger Openmoko Central Services ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community Initiative GTK. X11 on ASU?
On 27 Jun 2008, at 16:56, Marcus Bauer wrote: On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 17:27 +0200, Francesco Cat wrote: I must have missed something... Can you post some links to explain what are the future plans for the Software Stack? Will GTK not be present any more? Basically Openmoko has stopped the development of the GTK stack in order to start a new stack called ASU. There are some 10.000 developers for GTK who can start any time making software for the Neo while there are very few developers for ASU, maybe 50. ASU is only used on the Neo ... Am I right in understanding that the earlier software stack wrote GTK to the framebuffer, whereas the ASU required the incorporation of an X11 server to the image? Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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You forget the biggest: Nokia (sells as many phones a day as iphones yet sold). Rest are just startups so far, or non-mobile-phone-related... And Nokia looks like interested in QTopia (as they bought Trolltech!) ;) Firefox (xulrunner, as the GUI is not appropiate) can be replaced by khtml, or however it is called now that it's part of qt 4.4. Openoffice in a phone does not currently makes sense (not adecuate gui, too heavyweight). Therefore I'm not really so sure whether to bet on GTK or on QT... --- El vie, 27/6/08, Marcus Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: De: Marcus Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: Community Initiative GTK Para: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Fecha: viernes, 27 junio, 2008 4:49 Hello, I'm wondering if there is any interest in maintaining the GTK software stack? Actually many companies have expressed their interest in a GTK based platform as it is perceived as more future proof than some kind of exotic software stack with a very small developer base. Lots of hesitation comes from the switch to this new stack-mix as all the big ones are going GTK: * Limo (pretty much all big mobile companies plus Intel etc) * Lips * Firefox * Openoffice * Ubuntu * Ubuntu mobile * Garmin IMHO it is very important for the future of Openmoko and open software on mobile phones to grow an ecosystem that involves both, many companies and many free software developers. Thus are there developers/companies on the list interested in maintaining GTK on the openmoko phones and starting a community initiative? Pretty much 90% is already there! Marcus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community __ Enviado desde Correo Yahoo! La bandeja de entrada más inteligente.___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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IIRC ubuntu mobile was only x86 based, and addressed to bigger devices than a phone (such as the Mobile Internet Devices - closer to n810 or even to asus EEE than to a phone). What I'd really love is to see android software stack running on the moko. Still not possible as android is not open, but they were supposed to free the whole stack, which should make possible to run on the moko (the binaries are compiled right now to a different flavour of ARM, see http://benno.id.au/blog/2007/11/21/android-neo1973 ). It would be the definitive hw plataform on which to develop ;). --- El vie, 27/6/08, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: De: arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: Re: Community Initiative GTK Para: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Fecha: viernes, 27 junio, 2008 5:26 Is anyone planning to try maemo on the freerunner ? my question, too. and what about ubuntu mobile? does anybody know whether the plan to test it on om? at least it's the first open phone in the wild -- should be a given development platform for them ... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community __ Enviado desde Correo Yahoo! La bandeja de entrada más inteligente.___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community Initiative GTK
2008/6/27 Marcus Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello, I'm wondering if there is any interest in maintaining the GTK software stack? Actually many companies have expressed their interest in a GTK based platform as it is perceived as more future proof than some kind of exotic software stack with a very small developer base. Marcus You will still be able to develop what you want with GTK if you want... but EFL are soo much beautiful ! (Hmm okay im an e17 user :) can one feel it ? ;)) EFL are optimized libs slower hardware, more powerful than gtk, wich is just a gui toolkit. EFL are so much more... -- Steven Le Roux Jabber-ID : [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0x39494CCB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2FF7 226B 552E 4709 03F0 6281 72D7 A010 3949 4CCB ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community Initiative GTK. X11 on ASU?
Am Freitag, 27. Juni 2008 19:02:04 schrieb Stroller: Am I right in understanding that the earlier software stack wrote GTK to the framebuffer, whereas the ASU required the incorporation of an X11 server to the image? No, the Gtk based (focused?) stack used X11 as well, using Kdrive as X-Server and matchbox as windows manager. cheers markus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Marcus Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 17:27 +0200, Francesco Cat wrote: I must have missed something... Can you post some links to explain what are the future plans for the Software Stack? Will GTK not be present any more? Basically Openmoko has stopped the development of the GTK stack in order to start a new stack called ASU. There are some 10.000 developers for GTK who can start any time making software for the Neo while there are very few developers for ASU, maybe 50. ASU is only used on the Neo whereas your GTK apps will run on the desktop or on the new MID devices like the ASUS eeePC right out of the box. Naturally for an open source developer it is a difference if the software will run on some hundred Neos or on some million PCs and MIDs. I'm confused what this ASU stack is that you are talking about? When I look at the architecture picture on the framework page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenmokoFramework I don't see ASU. I see Gtk+ and Qtopia and Enlightenment (and X11). So this ASU stack is only used on the Neo and nowhere else? If ASU is Qtopia or EFL, then I'm not so sure that's true... Regards, -mike ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community Initiative GTK
Marcus Bauer wrote: Hello, I'm wondering if there is any interest in maintaining the GTK software stack? Actually many companies have expressed their interest in a GTK based platform as it is perceived as more future proof than some kind of exotic software stack with a very small developer base. Lots of hesitation comes from the switch to this new stack-mix as all the big ones are going GTK: * Limo (pretty much all big mobile companies plus Intel etc) * Lips * Firefox * Openoffice * Ubuntu * Ubuntu mobile * Garmin Garmin's nuvifone is based on Qtopia. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Jisakiel wrote: You forget the biggest: Nokia (sells as many phones a day as iphones yet sold). 14 Nokia phones are made each second. Rest are just startups so far, or non-mobile-phone-related... And Nokia looks like interested in QTopia (as they bought Trolltech!) ;) Firefox (xulrunner, as the GUI is not appropiate) can be replaced by khtml, or however it is called now that it's part of qt 4.4. QWebKit Openoffice in a phone does not currently makes sense (not adecuate gui, too heavyweight). Therefore I'm not really so sure whether to bet on GTK or on QT... Qt will be a common API across all Nokia platforms. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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So just to be clear, FSO stands for FreeSmartphone.Org? And that stuff is working so well that it can replace gsmd and neod already? On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 9:53 AM, Joachim Steiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marcus Bauer wrote: Hello, I'm wondering if there is any interest in maintaining the GTK software stack? would be nice. e.g. take the last gtk-based ui apps, rip out all libgsmd and neod dependencies and start communicating with the new middleware from FSO. this would basically solve all 'call stability' problems from gsmd times and give you the same, maintained middleware which in the future hopefully all openmoko devices will use. kind regards -- Joachim Steiger Openmoko Central Services ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community Initiative GTK
Mike Doody wrote: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Marcus Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 17:27 +0200, Francesco Cat wrote: I must have missed something... Can you post some links to explain what are the future plans for the Software Stack? Will GTK not be present any more? Basically Openmoko has stopped the development of the GTK stack in order to start a new stack called ASU. There are some 10.000 developers for GTK who can start any time making software for the Neo while there are very few developers for ASU, maybe 50. ASU is only used on the Neo whereas your GTK apps will run on the desktop or on the new MID devices like the ASUS eeePC right out of the box. Naturally for an open source developer it is a difference if the software will run on some hundred Neos or on some million PCs and MIDs. I'm confused what this ASU stack is that you are talking about? A Qtpia build based on X11. (Qtopia is usually framebuffer) Fancy enlightenment launcher and applications menu. Qtopia base apps. And some individual new apps only seen on this platform. i think based on enlightenment APIs. I see Gtk+ and Qtopia and Enlightenment (and X11). Which is what ASU is composed of. ;) So this ASU stack is only used on the Neo and nowhere else? More or less the other way. It only works well on Freerunner. If ASU is Qtopia or EFL, then I'm not so sure that's true... It's both. -- Drucken Sie diese Mail bitte nur auf Recyclingpapier aus. Please print this mail only on recycled paper. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community Initiative GTK
Joachim Steiger wrote: Marcus Bauer wrote: Hello, I'm wondering if there is any interest in maintaining the GTK software stack? would be nice. e.g. take the last gtk-based ui apps, rip out all libgsmd and neod dependencies and start communicating with the new middleware from FSO. My idea too. I would like to see this... For what it is worth, the original GTK platform is nod dead. Attention just shifted away. And stability is ok as far as i can tell. Gsmd allegedly breaks standby. But works for me. Will see. I find the look and the UI design in general really well choosen. But it is not GTK what buys me. As long as GTK is there as a lib for compatibility. (which is AFAIK also the case with the other builds based on X11) But i would not mind if the Toolkit of the future would be EFL. What i like with the old Framework (GTK thingie) is that it is pretty much the same what other mobile communications systems use as a platform and riding on pretty well established tools used on everyday linux systems. GTK, GConf, D-Bus, (embedded) Evolution, X11, Avahi and probably some more like some gnome stuff... -- Drucken Sie diese Mail bitte nur auf Recyclingpapier aus. Please print this mail only on recycled paper. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 16:49 +0200, Marcus Bauer wrote: I'm wondering if there is any interest in maintaining the GTK software stack? Part of what you want need is distribution support. You might find it amusing to see how crazy fast GPE on Gentoo, a meta Linux distribution, can be ported to a phone: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gentoo/embedded/55281 (Make sure to check out the pictures). -Arthur ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community Initiative GTK
On Sat, 2008-06-28 at 04:13 +1000, Lorn Potter wrote: Marcus Bauer wrote: Hello, I'm wondering if there is any interest in maintaining the GTK software stack? Actually many companies have expressed their interest in a GTK based platform as it is perceived as more future proof than some kind of exotic software stack with a very small developer base. Lots of hesitation comes from the switch to this new stack-mix as all the big ones are going GTK: * Limo (pretty much all big mobile companies plus Intel etc) * Lips * Firefox * Openoffice * Ubuntu * Ubuntu mobile * Garmin Garmin's nuvifone is based on Qtopia. Not the upcoming ones: http://butterfeet.org/?p=57 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Community Initiative GTK
Marcus Bauer wrote: On Sat, 2008-06-28 at 04:13 +1000, Lorn Potter wrote: Marcus Bauer wrote: Hello, I'm wondering if there is any interest in maintaining the GTK software stack? Actually many companies have expressed their interest in a GTK based platform as it is perceived as more future proof than some kind of exotic software stack with a very small developer base. Lots of hesitation comes from the switch to this new stack-mix as all the big ones are going GTK: * Limo (pretty much all big mobile companies plus Intel etc) * Lips * Firefox * Openoffice * Ubuntu * Ubuntu mobile * Garmin Garmin's nuvifone is based on Qtopia. Not the upcoming ones: http://butterfeet.org/?p=57 That seems to be a different line of devices (in car navigation), and does not have any gsm features. http://www8.garmin.com/nuvifone/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
