I realize the 850mhz issue is complex and you can't give an answer
right away, but I'd like to know when we could expect one? I'm one of
the many North American's who needs the 850 band, and If I know it's
coming I'm going to start doing some software dev, if it's not I'll
start looking elsewhere.
On Tuesday 06 November 2007 03:36, Jon wrote:
I'd suggest everyone find their country on GSM World:
http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/index.shtml and check their
providers. Unfortunately some of the maps don't differentiate between 850
and 1900 (for example Rogers Wireless in Canada).
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The centered, 4.5 Diag *Finger Touch* screen with one thumb width of
grip space on either end of a basically rectangular device is a
Golden Form Factor.
Interesting, so we got it almost right ? Screen size is of course
different, but you could probably case-mod the
I was a little imprecise here. The circuit design, and thus board
layout, is what limits the handset to 3 bands. The components selected
(along with firmware and certification) select the 900/1800/1900MHz bands.
Michael
Randall Mason wrote:
Michael said above that it was a question of a
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Subject: Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue
Agreed, I'm in California as well, and though I bought a pre-paid T
Mobile card, it doesn't work either because of the 3G issue.
It would seem the 850 issue plus the 3G issue has just 'bricked' my Neo
Man this royally sucks for me. We only get 100% coverage because of the
850 band where I live. 1900 is being added slowly, but not anywhere
close to full coverage.
Anybody want a neo? I sure wish this information would have been
provided _before_ the purchase.
Jae
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Subject: Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 07:37:15 -0600
Man this royally sucks for me. We only get 100% coverage because of the
850 band where I live. 1900 is being added slowly, but not anywhere
close to full coverage.
Anybody want
I too am on the must have 850 list.
Unfortunately not all companies provide their individual coverage maps
on that site, but the large PDFs
http://www.coveragemaps.com/gsmposter_americas.htm and
http://www.coveragemaps.com/gsmposter_world.htm look to be a composite
of all the GSM providers, some
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Subject: Re: Community update: The 850 MHz issue
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 07:37:15 -0600
Man this royally sucks for me. We only get 100% coverage
Its really hard to imagine a company building a phone that didnt think
through what frequencies were needed. More interestingly, that it took
a trip from Michael to Taiwan to get anyone to focus on it. If this
substantially sets back the development effort, it really is a major
blow to the
On Tuesday 06 November 2007 03:36, Jon wrote:
I'd suggest everyone find their country on GSM World:
http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/index.shtml and check their
providers. Unfortunately some of the maps don't differentiate between 850
and 1900 (for example Rogers Wireless in Canada).
Its really hard to imagine a company building a phone that didnt think
through what frequencies were needed. More interestingly, that it took
a trip from Michael to Taiwan to get anyone to focus on it. If this
substantially sets back the development effort, it really is a major
blow to the
On 11/6/07, Jeffrey Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Its really hard to imagine a company building a phone that didnt think
through what frequencies were needed. More interestingly, that it took
a trip from Michael to Taiwan to get anyone to focus on it. If this
substantially sets back the
On 11/6/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Its really hard to imagine a company building a phone that didnt think
through what frequencies were needed. More interestingly, that it took
a trip from Michael to Taiwan to get anyone to focus on it. If this
substantially sets back the
On Tuesday 06 November 2007 17:06, hank williams wrote:
Yeah, I am pretty amazed at this one.
Its really hard to imagine a company building a phone that didnt think
through what frequencies were needed.
Frankly, i'm not that suprised, 850 really is a US thing. You are missing out
on lot of
On Tuesday 06 November 2007 04:13, Michael Shiloh wrote:
I would guess that if we make such a variant, we would offer both, but I
don't know for sure.
Please realize that I'm just asking the question in anticipation that
the information might be useful at some point. I'm not suggesting that
On Tuesday 06 November 2007 17:34, hank williams wrote:
On 11/6/07, Jeffrey Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Its really hard to imagine a company building a phone that didnt think
through what frequencies were needed. More interestingly, that it took
a trip from Michael to Taiwan to get
On Tuesday 06 November 2007 17:22:22 Jeffrey Thomas wrote:
Its really hard to imagine a company building a phone that didnt think
through what frequencies were needed. More interestingly, that it took
a trip from Michael to Taiwan to get anyone to focus on it. If this
substantially sets
On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 17:37:39 -0800, Joshua Layne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I hate to add to the fire on this one, but no 850 is a definite deal
breaker.
No quad-band is a serious limitation, as it has been marketed since
inception as a quad-band phone.
I see now that the openmoko.com page
Howdy,
I'm in Vancouver too, just tested my phone (motorola L2) against the
850/1900 network and it works (registers with fido) while 900/1800
doesn't. You can only select them in those pairs but I'm not sure how
that will work on the neo.
Can anyone clarify some more?
Regards
Dave
On Mon,
Common, take a look outside of your own borders. It's hard to inmagine an Open
Source phone gaining any traction at all in the US, land of software patents,
closed standards and telco control. There are quit a few OSS projects doing
just fine despite being illegal in the US, an Open Source
Just curious, I don't know much about the hardware in question, but is it
just a firmware issue, or does the hardware have to physically change to
move between the 900 or the 850 frequency?
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On 11/6/07, AVee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tuesday 06 November 2007 17:06, hank williams wrote:
Yeah, I am pretty amazed at this one.
Its really hard to imagine a company building a phone that didnt think
through what frequencies were needed.
Frankly, i'm not that suprised, 850 really
Michael said above that it was a question of a physical hardware change:
The chipset is capable of quad band but the board was laid out to only
support 3 bands. So, 850Mhz is not supported on the GTA01 board. Instead
we support 900/1800/1900MHz.
Board layout is a hardware issue.
On 11/6/07,
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On Tuesday 06 November 2007 11:46:11 am Mike Hodson wrote:
I literally go to
www.au.kddi.com and cry.
Really? Literally? :p
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Actually, http://openmoko.com/products-neo-base-00-stdkit.html and
http://openmoko.com/products-neo-base-03-hardware.html still state quad...
On 11/6/07, Joshua Layne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 17:37:39 -0800, Joshua Layne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I hate to add to the
On 11/6/07, Tim Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just curious, I don't know much about the hardware in question, but is it
just a firmware issue, or does the hardware have to physically change to
move between the 900 or the 850 frequency?
From what people are saying its firmware, hardware, and
On 11/6/07, Jeffrey Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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On Tuesday 06 November 2007 11:46:11 am Mike Hodson wrote:
I literally go to
www.au.kddi.com and cry.
Really? Literally? :p
I *have* shed tears looking at the amazing gorgeous super-huge-lcd
flips that are as thin as a matchbook
On Nov 6, 2007 6:39 PM, hank williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Common, take a look outside of your own borders. It's hard to inmagine an
Open
Source phone gaining any traction at all in the US, land of software
patents,
closed standards and telco control. There are quit a few OSS
The facts don't matter a bunch in this discussion for me. I think that we
should vote for what we want and be grateful that ANYBODY is willing to put
this kind of backing for an open source project. I haven't been around in
the F/OSS community for long (maybe 8 years or so), but I really think
On 11/6/07, hank williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
1. did I say it was not possible to exist as a company without the US? No.
What I said was that a plurality of smart phones are sold in the US.
It is a major market. And a huge amount of OS work is done in the US.
To design a phone that
This article compares smart phone adoption among
recent buyers as of the time of writing in different countries - US adoption
was pretty abysmal back in 2006. While I'm sure it's increased since then,
20-30% is still a very far stretch. I think 8% would be more accurate.
The problem is that
polz wrote:
[...]
Why were the phones shipped from the US, then ? Perhaps it would have made
more sense to ship them from the EU where they seem to work fine and help
many people save some dollars.
thats simple:
we had no shipping directly to customers at all before and we could get
that
n 11/6/07, hank williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Bottom line is that Nokia uses statistics to try to claim a larger
share of the smartphone market. But their symbian deployments are
mainly in non-smartphones, and any numbers based on symbian as a real
smartphone platform are deceptive.
I recently joined this list after looking at the OpenMoko project for a few
weeks now. I am a software engineer and a linux enthusiast, I planned on
actively developing for the project creating 3rd party applications.
I am now somewhat concerned with this thread. Am I to understand that
support
When you look at real smart phone sales - i.e. the 20m number, a
very significant number of those are sold in the US. This is just
I think Nkoli's point was that if you are going to say something like A very
significant number, it might be better to back it up with a reference to some
Unfortunately, this also affects the GTA02, which is now far too close
to production to try to enable quad-band operation.
An 850/1800/1900MHz variant has been suggested but this is not yet
determined.
Michael
Randall Mason wrote:
Will the GTA02 have the quad band board (full working quad
Thanks for letting us know so quickly. This definitely gives me
something to think about purchase wise. Please keep us informed as to
any future plans for alternate tri-band or quad-band hardware.
-Steve
Michael Shiloh wrote:
Unfortunately, this also affects the GTA02, which is now far too
Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
Michael Shiloh writes:
The chipset is capable of quad band but the board was laid out to only
support 3 bands. So, 850Mhz is not supported on the GTA01 board. Instead
we support 900/1800/1900MHz.
How does the board layout affect the supported bands? Is it a jumper
or
FWIW, I was planning on buying a GTA02 as soon as its available, but no
850 is a deal breaker since I would be using it on ATT's network in
California. I would certainly be willing to buy it without 900MHZ
support, though.
-Tupshin
Michael Shiloh wrote:
Unfortunately, this also affects the
Will do.
Michael
Steve wrote:
Thanks for letting us know so quickly. This definitely gives me
something to think about purchase wise. Please keep us informed as to
any future plans for alternate tri-band or quad-band hardware.
-Steve
Michael Shiloh wrote:
Unfortunately, this also affects
On Nov 5, 2007 5:58 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Would that it were a jumper. Unfortunately it's much more complicated:
it's a combination of circuit, components, firmware, and certification.
Michael
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I hate to add to the fire on this one, but no 850 is a definite deal
breaker.
No quad-band is a serious limitation, as it has been marketed since
inception as a quad-band phone. I'm not sure that I am willing to spend
$450 for a non-world phone.
Regards,
joshua
Tupshin Harper wrote:
FWIW, I
Michael Shiloh writes:
How does the board layout affect the supported bands? Is it a jumper
or something?
Would that it were a jumper. Unfortunately it's much more complicated:
it's a combination of circuit, components, firmware, and certification.
Drat -- when firmware gets into it, it
Quick (sorta stupid) question. I'm in Vancouver, Canada. What does not
having 850 support mean?
Thanks,
Justin
On Nov 5, 2007 6:08 PM, Tupshin Harper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
FWIW, I was planning on buying a GTA02 as soon as its available, but no
850 is a deal breaker since I would be
That's a good point, Tupshin. You (and the community) can guide us as we
try to figure out how to proceed.
How many of you must have 850 MHz support, and would be satisfied with
an 850/1800/1900MHz variant, and how many of you must have full quad-band?
Please put your answers on
That's to bad. Like many people I've been looking forward to getting a
Neo and using OM. Now I'm not sure if I will. I do a fair amount of
camping and canoeing, at times in rural areas. I wonder how often the
lack of the 850 band would cause problems? I looked around some and
couldn't find any
On Nov 5, 2007 6:23 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That's a good point, Tupshin. You (and the community) can guide us as we
try to figure out how to proceed.
How many of you must have 850 MHz support, and would be satisfied with
an 850/1800/1900MHz variant, and how many of you
I agree.
We realize that this is a very grave issue and are treating it with the
utmost concern.
Michael
digger vermont wrote:
That's to bad. Like many people I've been looking forward to getting a
Neo and using OM. Now I'm not sure if I will. I do a fair amount of
camping and canoeing,
Is there a way to do both? Can you have the 900/1800/1900MHz phones
along with the 850/1800/1900MHz variant? I don't know if that would
raise cost or anything. That way at order time you could select which
one you would like. Who uses the 900 band does anyone know? I would
think the
Generally, my rule of thumb is that rural places have more 850MHz, urban
places have the 1900MHz. The only place I would usually see 850MHz was on
road trips, but now that I live on the North Shore, there is only about 50%
coverage for 1900MHz (and it's always like 1 bar).
Randall
The big deal about 850Mhz vs 1900Mhz is that 850Mhz specification
is higher power. Higher power means different, and probably more
stringent, testing and certification requirements. Presumably that is why
it's more than just a software/firmware issue requiring board design
and component changes.
I would guess that if we make such a variant, we would offer both, but I
don't know for sure.
Please realize that I'm just asking the question in anticipation that
the information might be useful at some point. I'm not suggesting that
we have any plans yet to do so.
Michael
Mathew Davis
Mathew Davis:
Who uses the 900 band does anyone know?
Nobody in North America uses 900 or 1800.
Originally all GSM phones were 900Mhz. The GSM specs were
created in Europe. Due to congestion on the 900Mhz band most
providers added support for 1800Mhz.
North America was late in the GSM game
Agreed, I'm in California as well, and though I bought a pre-paid T
Mobile card, it doesn't work either because of the 3G issue.
It would seem the 850 issue plus the 3G issue has just 'bricked' my Neo
(in a metaphorical sense) without me writing a single line of code.
And given that the
On Nov 5, 2007 7:36 PM, Jon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/cou_us.shtml which is the US list
for GSM based operators, you will see it is universally 850 or 1900 (or
both). In the case of ATT you can take a quick look at the two coverage
I guess I'm in luck -
I hear you.
Now that the 850MHz update is posted, I'll turn my attention to the 3G
issue (GSM firmware update) and the GPS driver.
I've only just starting to look into these (since I arrived in Taiwan)
and I'll report in a new thread once I get a bit more information.
Michael
ian douglas
On 11/5/07, Jon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think then the question is (for us slightly less technically adept): How
do we find out what support we have in our area?
I have previously worked for a reseller of Cingular/ATT(used to work
at radioshack for 4 years. joy!) and the stores login to
On 11/6/07, Mike Hodson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 11/5/07, Jon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think then the question is (for us slightly less technically adept): How
do we find out what support we have in our area?
I have previously worked for a reseller of Cingular/ATT(used to work
Also,
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