Re: Debian first experience made a bit easier...
2009/9/6 Timo Jyrinki timo.jyri...@gmail.com: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner#CurrentStatusofInstallation For those of you (like me) who don't read help texts, I added the pretty useful information about needing to install perl on the host system before running the install script :) Also linked to the latest success report of installing Debian, requiring 1 workaround to finish. -Timo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian first experience made a bit easier...
Hi, Am Sonntag, den 13.09.2009, 21:42 -0400 schrieb Stefan Monnier: Or more precisely, for $DISPLAY on fso-controlled device at runtime, not installation time. I think that mess will be larger than that of having two icons, menu items or whatever the launcher makes of it, for the user to choose between. The solution is to use a scheme where the blanking code and the application use a standard protocol to sync-up. AFAIK, there is such a protocol already (which is hopefully used by all tools like VLC, Xine, mplayer, totem, at least when in fullscreen mode). So mokomaze should use it. And the FSO side should also support it. Part of the xdg-utils suite by freedesktop.org is the tool xdg-screensaver. It provides a unified interface to control, especially prevent, screen blanking. It comes with support for KDE, Gnome and Xfce. It should be relatively simple to add support for FSO as well, and I always had that in mind as a proper, FSO independent solution for mokomaze. I just did not yet come around to do it. If someone else wants to give it a shot, that would be great. Greetings, Joachim -- Joachim nomeata Breitner Debian Developer nome...@debian.org | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C JID: nome...@joachim-breitner.de | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian first experience made a bit easier...
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 10:52:53PM +0400, Nikita V. Youshchenko wrote: That will result in two icons in launchers. why nor let the user decide on installation or check in postinst for arm and copy the matching one? Not for arm but for fso-controlled device. Or more precisely, for $DISPLAY on fso-controlled device at runtime, not installation time. Cant think out a use case when same device will run a window manager (or whatever component that uses .desktop files) sometimes with fso and sometimes not ... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:24:04AM +0400, Nikita V. Youshchenko wrote: On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 10:52:53PM +0400, Nikita V. Youshchenko wrote: That will result in two icons in launchers. why nor let the user decide on installation or check in postinst for arm and copy the matching one? Not for arm but for fso-controlled device. Or more precisely, for $DISPLAY on fso-controlled device at runtime, not installation time. Cant think out a use case when same device will run a window manager (or whatever component that uses .desktop files) sometimes with fso and sometimes not ... Eh? $DISPLAY can point to another device than the one running the window manager and/or launcher, this setup is standard practice in the X world. Please refer to e.g. URL:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_display_manager. -- Rask Ingemann Lambertsen Danish law requires addresses in e-mail to be logged and stored for a year ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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AFAIK, there is such a protocol already (which is hopefully used by all tools like VLC, Xine, mplayer, totem, at least when in fullscreen mode). So mokomaze should use it. And the FSO side should also support it. x screensaver extension. you can request x to suspend blanking until u un-suspend it (or your x connection closes - eg u exit or crash). FSO tho wants to re-invent this wheel. Indeed... sounds like a bug report to the FSO guys is in order. Stefan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Not for arm but for fso-controlled device. Or more precisely, for $DISPLAY on fso-controlled device at runtime, not installation time. Cant think out a use case when same device will run a window manager (or whatever component that uses .desktop files) sometimes with fso and sometimes not ... Eh? $DISPLAY can point to another device than the one running the window manager and/or launcher, this setup is standard practice in the X world. Sure. I use such configurations heavily myself. But doing so from a phone-like device is a very strange idea IMO. Could you find a useful use-case for that? Nikita signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian first experience made a bit easier...
On Monday 14 September 2009, Nikita V. Youshchenko wrote: Not for arm but for fso-controlled device. Or more precisely, for $DISPLAY on fso-controlled device at runtime, not installation time. Cant think out a use case when same device will run a window manager (or whatever component that uses .desktop files) sometimes with fso and sometimes not ... Eh? $DISPLAY can point to another device than the one running the window manager and/or launcher, this setup is standard practice in the X world. Sure. I use such configurations heavily myself. But doing so from a phone-like device is a very strange idea IMO. Could you find a useful use-case for that? Nice as the FR screen and illume keyboard are, I sometimes wish I had a bigger screen, or a real keyboard. Or a mouse. Navit and tangogps in particular benefit from a bigger screen. Until recently neither were on my netbook, but a quick bit of display forwarding took care of that. I've also used it while developing python apps because it's more convenient to have app appear on the screen where I'm doing the editing. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Monday 14 September 2009 04:07:43 Carsten Haitzler wrote: On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 21:42:49 -0400 Stefan Monnier monn...@iro.umontreal.ca said: Or more precisely, for $DISPLAY on fso-controlled device at runtime, not installation time. I think that mess will be larger than that of having two icons, menu items or whatever the launcher makes of it, for the user to choose between. The solution is to use a scheme where the blanking code and the application use a standard protocol to sync-up. AFAIK, there is such a protocol already (which is hopefully used by all tools like VLC, Xine, mplayer, totem, at least when in fullscreen mode). So mokomaze should use it. And the FSO side should also support it. x screensaver extension. you can request x to suspend blanking until u un-suspend it (or your x connection closes - eg u exit or crash). FSO tho wants to re-invent this wheel. Bzzt. Wrong. IdleNotifier is optional as are the rules in oeventsd. :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 09:38:49 -0400 Stefan Monnier monn...@iro.umontreal.ca said: AFAIK, there is such a protocol already (which is hopefully used by all tools like VLC, Xine, mplayer, totem, at least when in fullscreen mode). So mokomaze should use it. And the FSO side should also support it. x screensaver extension. you can request x to suspend blanking until u un-suspend it (or your x connection closes - eg u exit or crash). FSO tho wants to re-invent this wheel. Indeed... sounds like a bug report to the FSO guys is in order. well fso wants to implement this so it works outside of x11. personally i dont think fso should be blanking, playing with or otherwise having anything to do with the screen. the display system does that, be it x11, dfb or some dumb fb app. these apps should/could feed fso with idle information, if they please, but this should be left to the windowing system and its environment to handle. imho. -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 00:11:54 +0200 Michael 'Mickey' Lauer mic...@vanille-media.de said: On Monday 14 September 2009 04:07:43 Carsten Haitzler wrote: On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 21:42:49 -0400 Stefan Monnier monn...@iro.umontreal.ca said: Or more precisely, for $DISPLAY on fso-controlled device at runtime, not installation time. I think that mess will be larger than that of having two icons, menu items or whatever the launcher makes of it, for the user to choose between. The solution is to use a scheme where the blanking code and the application use a standard protocol to sync-up. AFAIK, there is such a protocol already (which is hopefully used by all tools like VLC, Xine, mplayer, totem, at least when in fullscreen mode). So mokomaze should use it. And the FSO side should also support it. x screensaver extension. you can request x to suspend blanking until u un-suspend it (or your x connection closes - eg u exit or crash). FSO tho wants to re-invent this wheel. Bzzt. Wrong. IdleNotifier is optional as are the rules in oeventsd. thats where i disagree. you have e-invented fso handling idle detection, even if optional. it should b the other way. fso is notified of idleness by the respective management systems. -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian first experience made a bit easier...
On Sun, Sep 06, 2009 at 11:23:58PM +0400, Nikita V. Youshchenko wrote: For example, it's nice that mokomaze is in debian, but if you install it and run it, you will get your screen blanked after a minute. To avoid that, one needs to start mokomaze under fsoraw wrapper. Making this happen automatically while staying within debian policy could be a challenge: debian package is not for freerunner only, modifying files installed by other packages (hi hi appraw) is denied by policy, etc Why would you need to? You can create another package, with a dependency on mokomaze and fsoraw, to install the necessary .desktop file. -- Rask Ingemann Lambertsen Danish law requires addresses in e-mail to be logged and stored for a year ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian first experience made a bit easier...
On Sun, Sep 06, 2009 at 11:23:58PM +0400, Nikita V. Youshchenko wrote: For example, it's nice that mokomaze is in debian, but if you install it and run it, you will get your screen blanked after a minute. To avoid that, one needs to start mokomaze under fsoraw wrapper. Making this happen automatically while staying within debian policy could be a challenge: debian package is not for freerunner only, modifying files installed by other packages (hi hi appraw) is denied by policy, etc Why would you need to? You can create another package, with a dependency on mokomaze and fsoraw, to install the necessary .desktop file. Why would I need what? When some piece of software is packaged for Debian, the same package is becoming available for all architectures and devices that Debian supports. For FR, it is a good idea to wrap some binaries with fsoraw. For other devices, this is not needed. This is a difference that should be handled somehow. Although creating a wrapper packages that dpkg-divert's files from original packages and installs better versions, will likely work, this is somewhat ugly. Better to create single 'freerunner-support' package that will contain knowledge about many other packages, and hook into installation process. Nikita ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian first experience made a bit easier...
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 08:09:33PM +0400, Nikita V. Youshchenko wrote: On Sun, Sep 06, 2009 at 11:23:58PM +0400, Nikita V. Youshchenko wrote: For example, it's nice that mokomaze is in debian, but if you install it and run it, you will get your screen blanked after a minute. To avoid that, one needs to start mokomaze under fsoraw wrapper. Making this happen automatically while staying within debian policy could be a challenge: debian package is not for freerunner only, modifying files installed by other packages (hi hi appraw) is denied by policy, etc Why would you need to? You can create another package, with a dependency on mokomaze and fsoraw, to install the necessary .desktop file. Why would I need what? Why would you need to modify files installed by other packages? Just create a package with this as /usr/share/applications/mokomaze-noblank.desktop: [Desktop Entry] Name=Mokomaze (no blanker) Comment=Ball-in-the-labyrinth game Encoding=UTF-8 Version=0.5 Type=Application Exec=fsoraw -r Display -- mokomaze Terminal=false Categories=Game; X-MB-SingleInstance=true Icon=mokomaze -- Rask Ingemann Lambertsen Danish law requires addresses in e-mail to be logged and stored for a year ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian first experience made a bit easier...
For example, it's nice that mokomaze is in debian, but if you install it and run it, you will get your screen blanked after a minute. To avoid that, one needs to start mokomaze under fsoraw wrapper. Making this happen automatically while staying within debian policy could be a challenge: debian package is not for freerunner only, modifying files installed by other packages (hi hi appraw) is denied by policy, etc Why would you need to? You can create another package, with a dependency on mokomaze and fsoraw, to install the necessary .desktop file. Why would I need what? Why would you need to modify files installed by other packages? Just create a package with this as /usr/share/applications/mokomaze-noblank.desktop: That will result in two icons in launchers. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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That will result in two icons in launchers. why nor let the user decide on installation or check in postinst for arm and copy the matching one? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian first experience made a bit easier...
That will result in two icons in launchers. why nor let the user decide on installation or check in postinst for arm and copy the matching one? Not for arm but for fso-controlled device. And depending on a result of such a check, different .desktop files should be installed under /usr/share/applications/ ... This looks more tricky and ugly for me than install-time-hook approach. Anyway currently there are more urgent things to do :) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian first experience made a bit easier...
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 10:52:53PM +0400, Nikita V. Youshchenko wrote: That will result in two icons in launchers. why nor let the user decide on installation or check in postinst for arm and copy the matching one? Not for arm but for fso-controlled device. Or more precisely, for $DISPLAY on fso-controlled device at runtime, not installation time. I think that mess will be larger than that of having two icons, menu items or whatever the launcher makes of it, for the user to choose between. -- Rask Ingemann Lambertsen Danish law requires addresses in e-mail to be logged and stored for a year ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian first experience made a bit easier...
Or more precisely, for $DISPLAY on fso-controlled device at runtime, not installation time. I think that mess will be larger than that of having two icons, menu items or whatever the launcher makes of it, for the user to choose between. The solution is to use a scheme where the blanking code and the application use a standard protocol to sync-up. AFAIK, there is such a protocol already (which is hopefully used by all tools like VLC, Xine, mplayer, totem, at least when in fullscreen mode). So mokomaze should use it. And the FSO side should also support it. Stefan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian first experience made a bit easier...
On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 21:42:49 -0400 Stefan Monnier monn...@iro.umontreal.ca said: Or more precisely, for $DISPLAY on fso-controlled device at runtime, not installation time. I think that mess will be larger than that of having two icons, menu items or whatever the launcher makes of it, for the user to choose between. The solution is to use a scheme where the blanking code and the application use a standard protocol to sync-up. AFAIK, there is such a protocol already (which is hopefully used by all tools like VLC, Xine, mplayer, totem, at least when in fullscreen mode). So mokomaze should use it. And the FSO side should also support it. x screensaver extension. you can request x to suspend blanking until u un-suspend it (or your x connection closes - eg u exit or crash). FSO tho wants to re-invent this wheel. -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian first experience made a bit easier...
2009/9/6 Nikita V. Youshchenko yo...@debian.org: Doing debian install with (c)debootstrap, as current install.sh does and as debian installer does, although being a standard way, is somewhat questionable on slow devices such as freerunner. This is plainly slow, compared to reflashing or archive unpacking. Also it is vulnerable to temporary archive breakages, as the current story with dpkg 1.15.4 shows. There is truth to that, but I just personally prefer real installation to .tar.gz:s. Of course, with a grain of trustworthiness of having the .tar.gz:s hosted under Debian it would be better than downloading from random places around the web. Remenber, zhone is not intended to be end-user phone app. We should package paroli, and/or litephone, and/or shr phone tools. However, zhone works quite well. But yes paroli for example definitely - and we're on a very good path now. Elementary is now (again) in NEW queue (http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html), after that there is only python-elementary bindings left to have everything ready for packaging paroli (and intone). For example, it's nice that mokomaze is in debian, but if you install it ... And it was just an example. Another one: after aptitude install mplayer, I Yeah, thanks for bringing me back to Earth :) I just accept almost anything if I just get to use Debian, and I'm happy the ground work starts to be ready, but those two examples are quite good about the real polishing need. TangoGPS of course works quite flawlessly at the moment, but MPlayer with Tremor support and without confusing GUI option would be good, as well as a fixed mokomaze. I believe there are always ways to fix the problems in an acceptable way, but it may indeed need some work. Maybe something can be done in the openmoko-files-config to trigger some stuff in eg. mokomaze. -Timo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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2009/8/29 Timo Jyrinki timo.jyri...@gmail.com: Unfortunately it was found out installing Debian via the install.sh script is broken until dpkg 1.15.4 lands in unstable. 1.15.4 ARM build has now landed in the Debian archive (at least ftp.debian.org, mirrors soon follow, check ftp://ftp.XX.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/dpkg/ for armel 1.15.4 deb). Additionally install.sh was earlier updated to offer optional debootsrap-instead-of-cdebootstrap option. For this and future updates on the status of installing Debian, until proper debian-installer support is there, please see the page / section: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner#CurrentStatusofInstallation I (at least) will try to keep that up-to-date. Currently the chances of getting Debian installed with install.sh sound quite high, but I haven't tested it myself right now. Please tell your experiences if you try the installation with the tips on that page... meanwhile, I will also update the page myself if I test it with an extra SD card again some time next week. I'm quite glad with the new E17 and Zhone packages in the main Debian archive. The only package you really need from the (still enabled by default) pkg-fso archive is the kernel, so this is very good progress. The kernel is of course a hard thing and involves work from all Openmoko kernel developers who have time to get stuff upstream, but after that it would be not a big way to proper Debian installer support - which eventually even leads to a Debian stable release with official support for FreeRunner. -Timo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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I'm quite glad with the new E17 and Zhone packages in the main Debian archive. The only package you really need from the (still enabled by default) pkg-fso archive is the kernel, so this is very good progress. The kernel is of course a hard thing and involves work from all Openmoko kernel developers who have time to get stuff upstream, but after that it would be not a big way to proper Debian installer support - which eventually even leads to a Debian stable release with official support for FreeRunner. Doing debian install with (c)debootstrap, as current install.sh does and as debian installer does, although being a standard way, is somewhat questionable on slow devices such as freerunner. This is plainly slow, compared to reflashing or archive unpacking. Also it is vulnerable to temporary archive breakages, as the current story with dpkg 1.15.4 shows. Because of that, and also given quite a big challenge to make d-i working on freerunner itself (no keyboard, no serial console, etc), it may be much better to look not at d-i porting, but at archive preparation on server and untarring on user device. Optionally, such a process could be implemented as a d-i module that will run instead of (c)debootstrap. And, after all, installation is not the only thing that should work :) Besides installation, there is still a long path to make debian of freerunner as usable as debian should be. There is large, and constantly increasing number of freerunner software. Att hose need to be packaged for debian. If they won't, user will end with instaslling unpackaged software and breaking their systems. Remenber, zhone is not intended to be end-user phone app. We should package paroli, and/or litephone, and/or shr phone tools. Also, something should be done such that packages provide good user experience just after installation. For example, it's nice that mokomaze is in debian, but if you install it and run it, you will get your screen blanked after a minute. To avoid that, one needs to start mokomaze under fsoraw wrapper. Making this happen automatically while staying within debian policy could be a challenge: debian package is not for freerunner only, modifying files installed by other packages (hi hi appraw) is denied by policy, etc And it was just an example. Another one: after aptitude install mplayer, I get mplayer icon in illume, that launches mplayer gui, next to useless on freerunner. But if/when we will have intone packaged, we will want to have mplayer package installed. So somehow we should do that on freerunner, mplayer icon does not appear. And do so without altering mplayer package and staying within policy. Nikita signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian first experience made a bit easier...
2009/8/29 Nikita V. Youshchenko yo...@debian.org:
GPRS worked fine.
Could you please post an explanation on how to test/use gprs on debian?
Maybe see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPRS_FSO#Using_scripts ? I
added now a link to that page also from DebianOnFreeRunner.
I'm myself actually using old method from my Om2008.12, since it seems
to work. I launch this from a PyGTK application:
identvar=$(date +%s)
ptsvar=$(dbus-send --system --print-reply --type=method_call
--dest=org.pyneo.muxer /org/pyneo/Muxer
org.freesmartphone.GSM.MUX.AllocChannel string:$identvar | grep string
| awk -F '' '{ print $2 }')
sleep 2
echo $identvar $ptsvar
pppd $ptsvar 115200 call gprs
...and have setup /etc/ppp/gprs-connect-chat + /etc/ppp/peers gprs.
But I guess it's pretty useless if FSO stack takes care of all that
when sending a single dbus message like described on the GPRS_FSO wiki
page.
-Timo
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2009/8/28 Radek Polak pson...@seznam.cz: Risto H. Kurppa wrote: Tried to install debian today: ... E: Internal error: install Unfortunately it was found out installing Debian via the install.sh script is broken until dpkg 1.15.4 lands in unstable. So, keep eye on http://packages.qa.debian.org/d/dpkg.html Only manual installation using debootstrap is possible meanwhile. Updated http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner#CurrentStatusofInstallation -Timo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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2009/8/27 Lee Grime lee.gr...@gmail.com: Re-camping. I can only tell it is doing this because I left it near my PC and the speakers were picking it up! Happens about every 5-10mins. I did not have this problem with SHR, it is stable for GSM. SMS has a few quirks, but nothing major. I know there is a hardware fix for this, but why no problems with SHR? Possibly because newest FSO release (5.5?) has not yet come to Debian. Coming soon(ish). Wifi, could not connect to my T-Com (Germany) wireless router (WEP). It was picked up using wifi-radar, but failed to get an IP address. I don't remember if 2.6.28 or 2.6.29 is now the default in Debian. One should generally install the 2.6.29 kernel - but the lingering problem regarding 2.6.29 there is the omission of the patch that makes wifi really work there http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2277 . 2.6.28 has other problems, but 2.6.29 with that patch basically rocks for everything. I have a self-compiled 2.6.29 + patch in use. Midori and tangoGPS do not pick anything up from the internet via USB connection to PC. I can ping google no problem. Midori worked via GPRS. Works fine with my USB, I have the usual NAT forwarding on my laptop. Though nowadays I actually forward the network via Bluetooth to Neo :) (and also the other way around, from Neo to laptop when on road). Not sure how to put it into suspend, seems a bit flakey! Press the power button? Also, in the wiki guide there are instructions about suspend settings in general. -Timo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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O Xoves, 27 de Agosto de 2009, Lee Grime escribiu: Re-camping. I can only tell it is doing this because I left it near my PC and the speakers were picking it up! Happens about every 5-10mins. I did not have this problem with SHR, it is stable for GSM. SMS has a few quirks, but nothing major. I know there is a hardware fix for this, but why no problems with SHR? Debian uses adaptive as default for ti_calypso_deep_sleep, and SHR uses never With adaptive, FSO should detect your freerunners's recamping and disable deep_sleep. With never, as you probably guessed, FSO will never try to deep_sleep, and recamping will *NEVER* happen. Take in account that with adaptive, recamping *WILL* happen at the beggining, but should stop as soon as FSO detects it. If adaptive is not working on your case (e.g. if recampings are not frecuent), you should change in /etc/frameworkd.conf: ti_calypso_deep_sleep = adaptive to ti_calypso_deep_sleep = never and your problems will dissapear. -- David Garabana Barro jabber google talk ID:da...@garabana.com Clave pública PGP/GPG: http://davide.garabana.com/pgp.html signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian first experience made a bit easier...
Tried to install debian today: INST_MIRROR=http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian HOST=ribian TASKS=ALL SINGLE_PART=true QI=true ./install.sh all problem #1: fdisk fails. (copied from irc..) 10:08 rhkfin Syncing disks. 10:08 rhkfin Partitioning failed, could not execute with fdisk: 10:08 rhkfin n 10:08 rhkfin p 10:09 rhkfin 1 10:09 rhkfin 249296 10:09 rhkfin w and executing stops.. - I created the partition manually and tried again with INST_MIRROR=http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian HOST=ribian TASKS=ALL SINGLE_PART=true QI=true ./install.sh testing time format mount debian apt fso configuration tasks kernel cleanup unmount E: Internal error: install Some more hacking and I got 11:03 rhkfin O: Errors were encountered while processing: 11:03 rhkfin O: readline-common 11:03 rhkfin O: libreadline5 11:03 rhkfin O: gpgv 11:03 rhkfin O: gnupg 11:03 rhkfin O: debian-archive-keyring 11:03 rhkfin O: apt 11:03 rhkfin E: Internal error: install Added installation-info to the code (per this patch: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-fso-maint/2009-August/001752.html ) Tried again: O: Unpacking apt (from .../bootstrap/apt_0.7.23_armel.deb) ... P: Unpacking package apt O: Setting up libbz2-1.0 (1.0.5-3) ... P: Configuring package libbz2-1.0 O: dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of readline-common: O: readline-common depends on dpkg (= 1.15.4) | install-info; however: O: Version of dpkg on system is 1.15.3.1+b3. O: Package install-info is not installed. O: dpkg: error processing readline-common (--install): O: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured O: dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of libreadline5: O: libreadline5 depends on readline-common; however: O: Package readline-common is not configured yet. O: dpkg: error processing libreadline5 (--install): O: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured O: Setting up libusb-0.1-4 (2:0.1.12-13) ... P: Configuring package libusb-0.1-4 O: dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of gpgv: O: gpgv depends on libreadline5 (= 5.2); however: O: Package libreadline5 is not configured yet. O: dpkg: error processing gpgv (--install): O: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured O: dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of gnupg: O: gnupg depends on libreadline5 (= 5.2); however: O: Package libreadline5 is not configured yet. O: gnupg depends on gpgv; however: O: Package gpgv is not configured yet. O: dpkg: error processing gnupg (--install): O: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured O: dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of debian-archive-keyring: O: debian-archive-keyring depends on gnupg; however: O: Package gnupg is not configured yet. O: dpkg: error processing debian-archive-keyring (--install): O: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured O: dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of apt: O: apt depends on debian-archive-keyring; however: O: Package debian-archive-keyring is not configured yet. O: dpkg: error processing apt (--install): O: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured O: Errors were encountered while processing: O: readline-common O: libreadline5 O: gpgv O: gnupg O: debian-archive-keyring O: apt E: Internal error: install So in the end I understood to check this: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-fso-maint/2009-August/001725.html and run cd /mnt/debian/var/cache/bootstrap wget http://ftp.es.debian.org/debian/pool/main/t/texinfo/install-info_4.13a.dfsg.1-4_armel.deb and run INST_MIRROR=http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian HOST=ribian TASKS=ALL SINGLE_PART=true QI=true ./install.sh --verbose debian apt fso configuration tasks kernel cleanup unmount Still failing: P: Unpacking package libreadline5 O: Selecting previously deselected package libusb-0.1-4. O: Unpacking libusb-0.1-4 (from .../libusb-0.1-4_0.1.12-13_armel.deb) ... P: Unpacking package libusb-0.1-4 O: Selecting previously deselected package gpgv. O: Unpacking gpgv (from .../gpgv_1.4.9-4_armel.deb) ... P: Unpacking package gpgv O: Selecting previously deselected package gnupg. O: Unpacking gnupg (from .../gnupg_1.4.9-4_armel.deb) ... P: Unpacking package gnupg O: Selecting previously deselected package debian-archive-keyring. O: Unpacking debian-archive-keyring (from .../debian-archive-keyring_2009.01.31_all.deb) ... P: Unpacking package debian-archive-keyring O: Selecting previously deselected package apt. O: Unpacking apt (from .../bootstrap/apt_0.7.23_armel.deb) ... P: Unpacking package apt O: Setting up libbz2-1.0 (1.0.5-3) ... P: Configuring package libbz2-1.0 O: dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of readline-common: O: readline-common depends on dpkg (= 1.15.4) | install-info; however: O: Version of dpkg on system is 1.15.3.1+b3. O: Package install-info is not installed. O: dpkg: error processing readline-common (--install): O: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured O: dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of
Re: Debian first experience made a bit easier...
Risto H. Kurppa wrote: Tried to install debian today: ... E: Internal error: install I really dont like these long install scripts. When it works it's good but if not, it's really hard to find where is problem. I think Debian should be offered as ready-for-flash image. I am creating debian images from scratch for every QtMoko release using instructions in simple txt document [1] and it always works perfectly. In contrast with the install script - i never managed to install debian with it. Btw you can flash QtMoko images, delete /opt and /etc/inid.d/qpe and you have plain installed debian. No wonder debian can't attract more people on Freerunner: http://doodle.com/sd2c8d8snr23eeqq Btw that poll is not very well done. QtMoko is the very last column that is not visible (in firefox on jaunty). I am doing that distro and i nearly havent voted for it :) Radek [1] http://github.com/radekp/qtmoko/blob/9f1ca538c388cc3f4d4614e6d25c9ef17e2c5295/doc/txt/debian_rootfs_howto.txt [2] http://activationrecord.net/radekp/qtmoko/download/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian first experience made a bit easier...
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Radek Polakpson...@seznam.cz wrote: I really dont like these long install scripts. When it works it's good but if not, it's really hard to find where is problem. But isn't that the thing with everything? I think Debian should be offered as ready-for-flash image. Would be nice! I am creating debian images from scratch for every QtMoko release using instructions in simple txt document [1] and it always works perfectly. In contrast with the install script - i never managed to install debian with it. I can't see why copypasteing 100 lines would be different from running a script with the same commands? (ok, except that you can stop, make sure a step is completed and then continue..) No wonder debian can't attract more people on Freerunner: http://doodle.com/sd2c8d8snr23eeqq Btw that poll is not very well done. QtMoko is the very last column that is not visible (in firefox on jaunty). I am doing that distro and i nearly havent voted for it :) No no, it's very well made, on purpose I left QTmoko to be the last one so no-one would vote it! The truth is that it wasn't there at all when I published the poll - because I forgot it, not having followed closely what happens in the QT world. SOmeone pointed it out for me and I added it, and I only could add it as the last one. And someone's got to be the last one. And if you vote, you try to look for your distro, no matter if it's the last or the first? I'd like the doodle layout to allow more space but I guess the scroll bar is visible enough.. and one more, the poll only represents the part of the community that's 'active' ie. reading mailing lists, irc etc: as over 10 000 units are sold (with uboot and OM200x in them) this really doesn't represent the whole population.. r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian first experience made a bit easier...
Nice, well done! I like that the moko page of Debian is a graphical showcase (add your OpenOffice screenshot there!) and the install instructions are separated (to debian wiki). I don't really remember calling for wiki cleaning, maybe mentioned the messy wiki somewhere but yes, the wiki needs a cleanup! r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian first experience made a bit easier...
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 3:20 PM, Timo Jyrinkitimo.jyri...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, With the gust of fresh air everywhere, I took the liberty of joining the mess that was combined http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian + http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner , so that in the end the Openmoko wiki page is just a brief showcase about Debian and all information is included in a sensible, structured way on the Debian's wiki. I had been looking at installing debian a couple of days ago and it seems that this is a definite improvement! The only suggestion I have is to add some more examples for the install.sh script. An example that shows how to install debian on an already existing (empty) partition would be great. From the documentation I gather that this could be done by doing: mount /dev/your-partition /mnt/debian ./install.sh debian apt fso configuration tasks kernel cleanup unmount but I didn't test this (don't want it to start installing it on the wrong partition/distroying my other installations). -Timo Cheers, Edwin ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian first experience made a bit easier...
2009/8/27 Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi: showcase (add your OpenOffice screenshot there!) Done :) 2009/8/27 Edder ed...@tkwsping.nl: I had been looking at installing debian a couple of days ago and it seems that this is a definite improvement! The only suggestion I have is to add some more examples for the install.sh script. Thanks. I added some examples, though I haven't myself installed Debian for a while since everything works and I haven't had a working spare SD card to try out. mount /dev/your-partition /mnt/debian ./install.sh debian apt fso configuration tasks kernel cleanup unmount This should theoretically be correct, though the possible environment variables matching the previously done partition setup would not hurt. -Timo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Debian first experience made a bit easier...
I installed debian a couple of days ago. 1st try with a new 8GB sandisk uSDHC card, which failed with IO errors. I assume this is because of the SD card speed. Tried with a sandisk 4GB uSDHC, using install.sh, with VFAT boot partition. Install worked fine. Some problems encountered :- Re-camping. I can only tell it is doing this because I left it near my PC and the speakers were picking it up! Happens about every 5-10mins. I did not have this problem with SHR, it is stable for GSM. SMS has a few quirks, but nothing major. I know there is a hardware fix for this, but why no problems with SHR? Wifi, could not connect to my T-Com (Germany) wireless router (WEP). It was picked up using wifi-radar, but failed to get an IP address. I have never been able to connect to this router though, even using command line and config files etc. I have a new linksys N wifi router which I will try it on soon. GPRS worked fine. Midori and tangoGPS do not pick anything up from the internet via USB connection to PC. I can ping google no problem. Midori worked via GPRS. Not sure how to put it into suspend, seems a bit flakey! I have not had time to look into any of these problems yet, but will report findings when I do. -Lee ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
